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hi guys
need some help regarding a shure m75.
im not sure what stylus to go for to get this up and running,or rather fitting,as i take it the type two is different?.
im assuming that as it doesnt say type two on it,and the owner doesn't know,just said it says m75 on it then it must be the first type
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Used-shure-M75-MM-cartridge-NO-stylus-for-spares-/352109516308?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=0VmtGyQHqZgYcLyZsa9PRfaJOsE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
so...do the shure experts out there know if this will be the right type/fitting stylus for my new ebay special?:)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EVG-PM3144DE-FOR-NEEDLE-SHURE-N75EJ-N74E-M75EJ-N75ED-M75ED-M81-N75-760-DE/372013430128?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
any help would be much appreciated.
regards
smithie
Wakefield Turntables
18-07-2017, 07:27
M75 is a good place to start and to be honest it dosen't matter which m75 you get as the new stylus available from JICO are sonically different in presentation to the old 1970s jobbies. You can try to buy a new old stock but they cost the earth and you have no way of knowing if it's been used, other stylii which are on offer suffer from the problem of not knowing how many hours they may have been used. I'd go to JICO website search for M75 stylus and then buy the one want. I wouldn't go anywhere else unless it's a trusted seller.
If it's NOS (New old stock), then that is what it is. New (i.e. unused), old stock (items which are now no longer made by the original manufacturer). Anything else is either used/second hand/preowned, or is a 'generic' replacement.
The M75 cartridge has an early-looking logo on the front, without a model designation, so will most certainly be a Mk. I. Any replacement stylus ought to be OK, but depending on the arm being used, stylii with an elliptical profile might not be suitable.
hifi_dave
18-07-2017, 16:18
I have a few M75 cartridges and all are clearly marked Type 2. The earlier variants were just M75ED etc.
hi guys
thanks for all the help,so mk1 it is then:)
so i take it a type two stylus wont fit into a mk1...just want to make sure i dont order the wrong type stlus...the seller said he used a ej one,a 75-6?
ive been trying to read up on the shures,but my eyes start to glaze over with all the variations and different combos they made:)
i was just thinking a n75ed,but i suppose jico only do one cheap type for it anyway if i go that route.
regards
paul
I'm sure (no pun intended!) any N75 type stylus would fit.
What arm are you using Paul?
I'm sure (no pun intended!) any N75 type stylus would fit.
What arm are you using Paul?
hi barry
im using a linn lvx that came with the lenco gl75 i recently brought,
i have the shure m55e with jico stylus on there at the moment,im tracking that at about 1.7 with a flat vta and it seems to be playing fine,i also like the general punchy sound of it to,which is always a plus.
i was just curious if a m75 and jico would bring anything more to the table regarding sound quality,and if any other higher old skool shure models would do that to if they can be had at a sensible price.
regards
paul
Wakefield Turntables
18-07-2017, 18:37
Is 1.7g too high for these stylii
Is 1.7g too high for these stylii
i thought it was good to 2.0g
sweet spot for me in my setup seems to be around 1.77...but i know bugger all me
struth
isnt that limit for sas version?,im using normal jico replacement...
Shure M75 stylus chart
« on: March 17, 2009, 01:27:06 PM »
This post is for all people that are still using the 1960's/70's Shure classic in their Lenco's and other TT.
All M75 body's are inside the same, there's only difference on the outside. First version was a clip in cartridge, second (type 2) has a plastic housing.
There are light, medium and a heavy tracking versions of both the eliptical and the spherical needle.Hypereliptical has two versions. Mono and 78 rpm only one.
N75 HE T2 (light grey) Hypereliptical (0,75-1,5gr)
N75 E or ED or E T2 (yellow) Eliptical (low 0,75-1,5 gr)
N75 G or G T2 (dark grey) Spherical (low 0,75-1,5 gr)
N75 HE-J (light grey) Hyperelliptical .2 x 1.5 (medium 1,25-2,5 gr)
N75 EJ (light green) Eliptical (medium 1,5-3 gr)
N75 6 or B T2 (beige) Spherical (medium 1,5-3 gr)
N75-3 (dark green) 78rpm Spherical (medium 1,5-3gr)
N75 C (light blue) Spherical (heavy 3-5gr)
N75 EC (Brown) Eliptical (heavy 2-4 gr)
N75-1 (dark blue)Mono ?
Any additions? Please let me know! smiley
i thought it was good to 2.0g
sweet spot for me in my setup seems to be around 1.77...but i know bugger all me
According to vinylengine.com the maximum recommended tracking force is 2.0g. From memory I think I tracked mine at 1.75g (in an SME 3009 arm).
Paul, using an M75E in your Linn LVV arm ought to be OK. The calculated low frequency resonance will lay somewhere between 7.3 to 10.5Hz, dependant upon the quoted compliance being static or dynamic. Vinylengine quotes it as being the dynamic value, but doesn't say at what frequency it is measured.
Even so it ought not to be a problem, unless you have a 'bouncy' sprung suspension TT that is subject to footfalls.
The M75 E and ED types were fairly compliant and 1.25g was about right for secure tracking. More than 1.5g may cause excessive force on the suspension and this can deaden the sound too much on the rare occasions I've tried it. I have what could be a Jico 'N91-ED' here and although the sound is lively, clean and with a better diamond than Shure supplied, tracking isn't as good. the 'EJ' types could be used under 2g if the arm was stolid enough (lenco L75 for example).
I did once try a V15 III in an LVV with original shell, but the sound wasn't hugely good. Maybe the system I used at the time preferred the falling response of the Rega R100 (current R100 equivalent is the Sumiko Pearl).
As I remember, the 75 'E' was a bonded diamond chip on a wire or similar former which is mounted in the cantilever. The 'ED' is a naked diamond, albeit not a very fine one if my microscope was telling the truth. The design-donor V15T2 was rather finer and even higher in compliance and mine isn't quite as stable as the 'ED.'
According to vinylengine.com the maximum recommended tracking force is 2.0g. From memory I think I tracked mine at 1.75g (in an SME 3009 arm).
Paul, using an M75E in your Linn LVV arm ought to be OK. The calculated low frequency resonance will lay somewhere between 7.3 to 10.5Hz, dependant upon the quoted compliance being static or dynamic. Vinylengine quotes it as being the dynamic value, but doesn't say at what frequency it is measured.
Even so it ought not to be a problem, unless you have a 'bouncy' sprung suspension TT that is subject to footfalls.
hi barry
thanks very much for your help and findings....ive so much to learn here regarding compliance etc.
at some point i would like to change the arm for something better that will uplift the lenco to another level,but thats a whole nother day can of worms!!
the gl75 im using is rigidly mounted...so no bouncey suspension here to play me up.
many thanks again barry.
Shure M75 stylus chart
« on: March 17, 2009, 01:27:06 PM »
This post is for all people that are still using the 1960's/70's Shure classic in their Lenco's and other TT.
All M75 body's are inside the same, there's only difference on the outside. First version was a clip in cartridge, second (type 2) has a plastic housing.
There are light, medium and a heavy tracking versions of both the eliptical and the spherical needle.Hypereliptical has two versions. Mono and 78 rpm only one.
N75 HE T2 (light grey) Hypereliptical (0,75-1,5gr)
N75 E or ED or E T2 (yellow) Eliptical (low 0,75-1,5 gr)
N75 G or G T2 (dark grey) Spherical (low 0,75-1,5 gr)
N75 HE-J (light grey) Hyperelliptical .2 x 1.5 (medium 1,25-2,5 gr)
N75 EJ (light green) Eliptical (medium 1,5-3 gr)
N75 6 or B T2 (beige) Spherical (medium 1,5-3 gr)
N75-3 (dark green) 78rpm Spherical (medium 1,5-3gr)
N75 C (light blue) Spherical (heavy 3-5gr)
N75 EC (Brown) Eliptical (heavy 2-4 gr)
N75-1 (dark blue)Mono ?
Any additions? Please let me know! smiley
hi struth
thanks for that listing,had seen that awhile back....then totally forgot about it:D
ive now made a copy of it to my pc which i shall keep for reference purposes.
regards
paul
Think 1.5gm is its top
i never tried the m55 cart and stylus i had at such low valves.
ive now been playing and adjusting it from 1-1.5gm,at present im running it at 1.35gm and im liking what its selling:D,ive also turned the anti skate to off and that seems to have created no ill effects either.
thanks for the heads up struth.
regards
paul
i never tried the m55 cart and stylus i had at such low valves.
ive now been playing and adjusting it from 1-1.5gm,at present im running it at 1.35gm and im liking what its selling:D,ive also turned the anti skate to off and that seems to have created no ill effects either.
thanks for the heads up struth.
regards
paul
m55e does up to 2gm and is best imv near its top
m55e does up to 2gm and is best imv near its top
well ive been there,now ive been down at the bottom,slowly working my way up.....where it will end up is anybody's guess:lol:
lol... think i found 1.9gm the best for mine
lol... think i found 1.9gm the best for mine
WOW....your a man that lives life on the edge:lol:,i like your style.
at the rate im playing,ill be trying that soon:cool:
I tend to start with a VTF of 0.25g below the maximum recommended value, and work down from there. You will cause more damage to a record by under-tracking than by over-tracking.
I tend to start with a VTF of 0.25g below the maximum recommended value, and work down from there. You will cause more damage to a record by under-tracking than by over-tracking.
great tip,thanks for that.
so
after all the advice and help regarding the shure m75 in this thread i order a stylus from the states
the m75 cart got delivered today so i decided to check the cart out with a meter ....and yes,you guessed it, its knackered on the left channel as im getting no reading whatsoever.
gutted,but lesson learnt:doh::doh:
Wakefield Turntables
20-07-2017, 07:47
Get straight onto eBay and complain they usually side with the buyer.
Bigman80
20-07-2017, 07:58
Get on to eBay as Rexton said. I had a Shure M75 variant. nOS stylus etc. Sounded dull and lifeless. You might have dodged a bullet there. Acutex 410e on eBay. They are a very good value cartridge. It was only bettered by the ZYX R50 Bloom I bought. Bold claim, but true. I tried a Ortofon Vivo Red MC after the Acutex and that didn't cut it, i had a Shure V15 III and that was very good too but no better than the Acutex.
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shame.. yes, unless it was sold untested you should complain
I've just had a look at the listing, and in particular under 'Conditions' it states:
Used: An item that has been previously used. The item may have some signs of cosmetic wear, but is fully operational and functions as intended. This item may be a floor model or an item that has been returned to the seller after a period of use. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections.
(my emphasis)
Since the seller has not mentioned any imperfections, the item is not as described and your are entitled to a refund. But act promptly.
First of all contact the seller and explain the situation, and if you don't receive satisfaction, then contact eBay.
hi guys
thanks for all the replies and advice once again,much appreciated:cool:
the seller in question is one of us,loves his vinyl and hifi gear,ive been chatting to him via ebay messaging ever since winning the cartridge about everything hifi and music.
he seems a nice guy so i have no reason to believe he was out to shaft me or anything like that,and i know times are hard etc but would any of us if it was in our nature to shaft someone do it for £8....i would certainly be aiming alot higher then that i think:lol:
he quoted "little fingers" wrecked the stylus,so maybe more damage was done then first realised....i just dont know.
anyhow ill see what response i get if any,i sent him a message this morning...just a shame i ordered a stylus for it already...more so now as peeps seem to reckon a shure v15 mk3 would be a major step up...then again i think i could be looking for along time to find one for the £8 i paid for my non working m75:lol:
i think i need to focus on something to aim for rather then taking baby steps and going off at different angles ,trouble with that idea is...without hearing whats out there,how do i know what i want and will suit my ears and taste....god i need a drink:cool:
as i said..one of us and a decent guy.
heres part of the response to my message i sent him
Let me know if you want to accept either of the 2 carts or a refund.
The M75-6 wasa lower output cartridge with a slimmer bodyshell to fit into budget turntables to give a similar performance, musically, to the M75. The Empire 2000 has a great midrange performance .I am testing them both this evening as this message is on way to you.I cannot say how many hours life is left in the stylus from either cartridge, but would hazard a guess at half life approx 300hours left.
kind regards
s o whats the best to go for out of this offer guys m75-6 or a empire 2000?
i assume the stylus ive ordered would still fit the 75-6? but if the empire 2000 has more potential then should i go with that...HELP!!:):)
Wakefield Turntables
20-07-2017, 19:35
Can't help here never had an empire.
walpurgis
20-07-2017, 19:49
Had the Shures and the Empires. The Empire is pleasant, but the Shure M75 series sound as good to me and Shure styli are probably easier to come by. Prices seem to be getting silly for Empires recently.
I would still go for the Shure - you already have a replacement stylus for it. If you like how it sounds you can always upgrade to a V15 at a later date.
Empire made good cartridges, but are now no longer in business, so replacement stylii might be difficult to source.
thanks guys
it makes sense to still go with the shure,so thats what ill do.
thanks for the help.
all the best
paul
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