Yet again, another Squeezbox related question!

[icehockeyboy]

Swapped my iPad yesterday, not that I believe it's significant, but I now have an iPad Air 2,
RE downloaded everything on to it, and here's where the problem is.

When it comes to trying to select the player on iPeng, it just will not play ball!

It's shown as being there, but will not respond to anything, and just stays on the iPad player, which of course I do not want.

Any thoughts please boys and girl?

[oldius]

I have found that sometimes a full delete of any existing SBT software is required. I don't know if that is significant but the Squeezebox forums are probably your best bet if not.

[Stratmangler]

Any thoughts please boys and girl?

Would a suggestion to stop buggering about swapping stuff be ignored?

[icehockeyboy]

Would a suggestion to stop buggering about swapping stuff be ignored?

Yes! ��

[Stratmangler]

Go and talk with the folks at the Apple Store.
It could be an IOS/version issue.
It's probably an IOS/version issue.

[icehockeyboy]

Finally managed to get it to see the player.
Seriously considering getting the Pioneer N50 if it stops all this arsing about, or a Sonos Connect.

[Stratmangler]

What was it causing the problem?

[icehockeyboy]

Absolutely no idea, which is so frustrating!

The 'choose player' box was there, but was not responding at all, i.e. Nothing happened at all when touched.

I'd even factory reset the SBT, re scanned etc, and then all of a sudden, it was showing the correct player.

[Stratmangler]

I've dragged this over from your other current thread, and I'm in agreement with Will.
I have also mentioned on more than one occasion to you that the embedded server in the Touch is not up to much, and running server on a separate device would be less problematic.
Sounds a bit like an "I told you so", doesn't it?
It's not meant to, but it comes across that way.


... you'd need to invest in a NAS, and if you did that your SBTouch would work much better too, as you could run LMS on it, or even on a pi, instead of overloading your touch!

[Alp]

I stopped using my SBT a while ago and my NAS more recently. I run LMS using Picoreplayer on a Raspberry Pi attached to a 512GB SSD containing all my music and I can use Spotify Premium. I control it from my phone using Squeeze Control and it synchs nicely with my SB Radio. It works a treat.

[Stratmangler]

I stopped using my SBT a while ago and my NAS more recently. I run LMS using Picoreplayer on a Raspberry Pi attached to a 512GB SSD containing all my music and I can use Spotify Premium. I control it from my phone using Squeeze Control and it synchs nicely with my SB Radio. It works a treat.

Your Touch should work quite happily using your Pi server too.

[WAD62]

I've dragged this over from your other current thread, and I'm in agreement with Will.
I have also mentioned on more than one occasion to you that the embedded server in the Touch is not up to much, and running server on a separate device would be less problematic.
Sounds a bit like an "I told you so", doesn't it?
It's not meant to, but it comes across that way.

...horse, water, lead, drink etc. ;)

[WAD62]

I stopped using my SBT a while ago and my NAS more recently. I run LMS using Picoreplayer on a Raspberry Pi attached to a 512GB SSD containing all my music and I can use Spotify Premium. I control it from my phone using Squeeze Control and it synchs nicely with my SB Radio. It works a treat.
Big fan of piCorePlayer here...

I keep my flac files on my NAS, run LMS on a pi3, streaming to an EDO Touch, pi2 audiophonics, SBoom, and an old SB3, using piCorePlayer...I can also reference the same library on my computers...replacing a NAS with an HD is a backward step IMHO

I'm trialling Spotify premium (320kb/s) using a Chromecast Audio via optical into the same DAC as my Touch, not bad, but not up with the Touch/flac combo...however at £25 it's superb VFM, although I doubt I'll continue with spotify

[icehockeyboy]

Gentlemen,
At the end of the day all I want is to be able to switch something on, and enjoy music, is that too much to ask without needing to go to night school to use it? :)

[Stratmangler]

If you want it that simple get yourself a CD player, and a radio.

[icehockeyboy]

If you want it that simple get yourself a CD player, and a radio.

I'll rephrase that then,

I want to listen to streamed music without the hassles that I've had in the past with the Touch. :)

[struth]

an rpi/and dac board or your own dac and moode works perfectly, as does jriver from a laptop to a dac. i have a long cable from pc to where i listen and use jriver remote on ipad. works perfectly or i use my rpi which is just as flawless. also got a chromecast that works just fine too

[Stratmangler]

...you'd need to invest in a NAS, and if you did that your SBTouch would work much better too, as you could run LMS on it, or even on a pi, instead of overloading your touch!

Which part of the above is difficult to understand, Craig?
The embedded server (ie the one you're using) is not great, because it doesn't have sufficient processing grunt, and you've been told this umpteen times by various folk on this forum.
It works much, much better when something else is performing server duties and controlling the players.

I have been running mine on a puny NAS (Zyxel NSA310) for years (since 2010), and in all that time it has been extremely reliable.
The only problem I've had was when the wirelessly connected player wouldn't play one time, and a reboot of the router, player and NAS sorted it out.

[WAD62]

I'll rephrase that then,

I want to listen to streamed music without the hassles that I've had in the past with the Touch. :)

Hi Craig, I'd suggest you have 4 options (at least)...in decending order of 'ellegance' ;)

1. Get yourself a NAS and put your music files and LMS on there, your SBTouch will now work reliably ;)

2. If you don't want to use a NAS, and prefer a local HDD and a one box solution, take Grant's advice and check out Moode or Volumio on a rPi3, it's relatively straightforward

3. If that's night school territory then why not just use a laptop?

4. Some ridiculously expensive proprietary one box solution, there are a few out there but I have no experience of any...:)

[icehockeyboy]

Which part of the above is difficult to understand, Craig?
The embedded server (ie the one you're using) is not great, because it doesn't have sufficient processing grunt, and you've been told this umpteen times by various folk on this forum.
It works much, much better when something else is performing server duties and controlling the players.

I have been running mine on a puny NAS (Zyxel NSA310) for years (since 2010), and in all that time it has been extremely reliable.
The only problem I've had was when the wirelessly connected player wouldn't play one time, and a reboot of the router, player and NAS sorted it out.

Chris,
Just because I don't understand why using a NAS makes the SBT work without issues doesn't mean I'm not listening to suggestions.

What sort of money are we looking at for one?

[WAD62]

Chris,
Just because I don't understand why using a NAS makes the SBT work without issues doesn't mean I'm not listening to suggestions.

Craig, the Squeezebox architecture is 1 LMS server and one or more clients/players, you can also activate the SBTouch to be both server and player (as you have), however this gives ever increasingly poor results as the size of the collection attached to it grows

the SBTouch only has 128MB of RAM...

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Hardware_comparison

...and a a puny processor at 533Mhz.

It is perfectly capable as a player but don't ask it to be a server too, unless you want to continue in this manner...

My 8 year old NAS has a 1.2Ghz processor and 500MB of RAM, 2TB HD, and happily holds the flac store and runs LMS

However I'm now using a RPi3 to run LMS 7.9, £29, 1.2Ghz quadcore CPU, 1GB RAM...referencing the QNAP Flac library

With LMS running on my NAS, a full index rebuild of 3k cds in FLAC takes about 50 mins, and about 5 to 6 minutes for a 'new and changed music' scan...perfectly acceptable ;)

With LMS on the pi3, connected to the QNAP via a TP-link ethernet, a full scan in 20 mins, and a delta in under 3...even more acceptable :cool:

[icehockeyboy]

Would a Western Digital 2TB ' My Cloud' NAS do the job?

Approximately £120 at PC World

[WAD62]

Would a Western Digital 2TB ' My Cloud' NAS do the job?

Approximately £120 at PC World

I've no experience of Western Digital's 'my cloud' NAS, but it gets a right slating in the amazon review section...

I'd recommend QNAP from personal experience, however they are no longer 'packaging' the latest LMS releases, hence me using a pi for LMS 7.9.

I think if I were starting out again I'd look to a Synology, there are a lot of LMS users and there's a forum on the subject...

https://forum.synology.com/enu/viewforum.php?f=131&sid=30c2edf3e10d75bd700f03a57a41349f

[icehockeyboy]

I've no experience of Western Digital's 'my cloud' NAS, but it gets a right slating in the amazon review section...

I'd recommend QNAP from personal experience, however they are no longer 'packaging' the latest LMS releases, hence me using a pi for LMS 7
I think if I were starting out again I'd look to a Synology, there are a lot of LMS users and there's a forum on the subject...

https://forum.synology.com/enu/viewforum.php?f=131&sid=30c2edf3e10d75bd700f03a57a41349f


There looks to be lots of problems similar to what I've experienced over the years discussed!

Makes me want to go down the Sonos route! ��

[struth]

i looked at nas myself but felt it beyond my skills. i decided just to use an attached hhd. its pretty simple this way...a bit like me i hear folk say;)

[icehockeyboy]

i looked at nas myself but felt it beyond my skills. i decided just to use an attached hhd. its pretty simple this way...a bit like me i hear folk say;)

That sounds like my set up, but according to those in the know, it isn't right.

[Stratmangler]

This is the NAS unit, it just needs a HDD - how big is your USB HDD?
HDDs https://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-Desktop-Hard-Disk-Drive/dp/B008JJLXO6?th=1
NAS unithttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zyxel-NSA310-NAS-Drive-without-internal-hard-drive-Ideal-for-media-storage-/122566871667?hash=item1c898e0a73:g:pmYAAOSwbtVZUVx Y

[icehockeyboy]

This is the NAS unit, it just needs a HDD - how big is your USB HDD?
HDDs https://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-Desktop-Hard-Disk-Drive/dp/B008JJLXO6?th=1
NAS unithttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zyxel-NSA310-NAS-Drive-without-internal-hard-drive-Ideal-for-media-storage-/122566871667?hash=item1c898e0a73:g:pmYAAOSwbtVZUVx Y

It's only a 320gb, but I haven't even used 25% of if yet.

[WAD62]

That sounds like my set up, but according to those in the know, it isn't right.

Unfair!...Grant's all in one pi solution was a great suggestion...that was option 2 if I recall...

[skimminstones]

This is the NAS unit, it just needs a HDD - how big is your USB HDD?
HDDs https://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-Desktop-Hard-Disk-Drive/dp/B008JJLXO6?th=1
NAS unithttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zyxel-NSA310-NAS-Drive-without-internal-hard-drive-Ideal-for-media-storage-/122566871667?hash=item1c898e0a73:g:pmYAAOSwbtVZUVx Y

been using the same NAS with a 1TB drive for a couple of years and had zero issues.

[Stratmangler]

been using the same NAS with a 1TB drive for a couple of years and had zero issues.

I have a couple of friends who also use the same device, running server, and controlling Squeezebox Touch players, again with tremendous reliability.

The NAS does have its limitations. It is a lowly device, with limited processing ability.
It doesn't have the processing grunt to transcode on the fly, and it's the same with resampling on the fly - it doesn't do it.

Looking at supported file types, and it doesn't do Apple Lossless (ALAC), Monkey's Audio (APE), Musepack or Wavpack, so if you have loads of these file types this device is one to avoid.
It does do FLAC, WAV, MP3, MPEG-4, AAC, AIFF, Ogg Vorbis, MPEG-4 SLS / HD-AAC, and the WMA formats.

There's also the benefit of continued development by the wider Squeezebox coding community - these guys are the unsung heroes of the Squeezebox world, who continually strive to keep up with service changes that content providers sometimes throw into the mix.
The BBC are possibly the worst offenders in this regard.
Their streaming content rationalisation program has stopped many device makers in their tracks, with hardware becoming obsolete and unusable overnight.
The BBC iPlayer plugin has been modified a multitude of times, and the code writers keep coming up trumps time and again. I raise a glass to these guys :cool:

[icehockeyboy]

Unfair!...Grant's all in one pi solution was a great suggestion...that was option 2 if I recall...

I meant from the perspective of because it's not NAS it won't do what I want it to.

[Gazjam]

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Craig mate,

With respect maybe best just to copy what someone else has successfully set up?
Lots of helpful suggestions in this thread buddy. :thumbsup:

[icehockeyboy]

fGLr72G0dOo

Craig mate,

With respect maybe best just to copy what someone else has successfully set up?
Lots of helpful suggestions in this thread buddy. :thumbsup:

I'm drawing an analogy of this with my days of teaching karate.

I would show a technique that as a black belt, I found ultra easy, but to the lesser experienced karate-ka, it was very hard to comprehend. :)

[Canetoad]

I've no experience of Western Digital's 'my cloud' NAS, but it gets a right slating in the amazon review section...

I'd recommend QNAP from personal experience, however they are no longer 'packaging' the latest LMS releases, hence me using a pi for LMS 7.9.

I think if I were starting out again I'd look to a Synology, there are a lot of LMS users and there's a forum on the subject...

https://forum.synology.com/enu/viewforum.php?f=131&sid=30c2edf3e10d75bd700f03a57a41349f

I've used a Synology NAS for years and had zero problems with it. Regular updates are carried out automatically and I'm now going to get a second 4 bay version to store movies on.

[pgarrish]

Buy i5 laptop off eBay
Download and install Logitech media server
Plug hdd full of music into laptop
Tell LMS to look at the drive
Tell SBT to use library on laptop

If you have the SBT manual it will walk you through it

[Stratmangler]

If you have the SBT manual it will walk you through it

Which manual is this?
Both of the ones I bought new (ie in factory sealed packaging) came with none.
My SB3, on the other hand, came with a bewildering and insomnia curing tome, which attempted to impart some knowledge of computer networking .....

[pgarrish]

Which manual is this?
Both of the ones I bought new (ie in factory sealed packaging) came with none.
My SB3, on the other hand, came with a bewildering and insomnia curing tome, which attempted to impart some knowledge of computer networking .....

Might have been a QuickStart guide. It was very straight forward

[Stratmangler]

Might have been a QuickStart guide. It was very straight forward

I admit that I never looked for any guidance, because I eventually got the gist of what was mentioned in the

bewildering and insomnia curing tome, which attempted to impart some knowledge of computer networking ....., and it has put me in good stead ever since.