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Colin Wonfor
02-06-2017, 21:19
https://www.gov.uk/pip/overview


What a great land we live in when you are told you have DLA and Mobility for life and then comes along PIP's. And removes all the help you need, car, money and my smile. What a bastard of a plan thanks you UK I was born here my family go back to William and 1066 so what do I have to do to get HELP kill somebody maybe. I have paid taxes and Nat Ins all my life now I can,t work I fall over a lot and suffer from deep suicidal depression and the twats think they are helping, yes helping them selves. I will be voting anything else except the main parties maybe even the Green Party,
Oh and I have just paid out £500.00 deposit on my new mobility car which now will have to go back will I get the money back, to hell I will. It took me a year to save that now just blown away.

farflungstar
03-06-2017, 18:24
The benefits system is fucked in the UK - unfortunately the Tories especially have done such a good job convincing people that everyone is a scrounger any talk of paying higher taxes to support those less able is dismissed.

The single most draining outgoing is electricity and gas - I cannot see why those on benefits can't pay a lower rate and rich bastard's pay a higher rate. Why not?

walpurgis
03-06-2017, 18:36
Sorry to hear that Colin. The politics of greed and selfishness in action. There's never been a hint of compassion, let alone benevolence about the Tories. Penny pinching meanness, they do well.

Arkless Electronics
03-06-2017, 18:40
https://www.gov.uk/pip/overview


What a great land we live in when you are told you have DLA and Mobility for life and then comes along PIP's. And removes all the help you need, car, money and my smile. What a bastard of a plan thanks you UK I was born here my family go back to William and 1066 so what do I have to do to get HELP kill somebody maybe. I have paid taxes and Nat Ins all my life now I can,t work I fall over a lot and suffer from deep suicidal depression and the twats think they are helping, yes helping them selves. I will be voting anything else except the main parties maybe even the Green Party,
Oh and I have just paid out £500.00 deposit on my new mobility car which now will have to go back will I get the money back, to hell I will. It took me a year to save that now just blown away.

Sorry to hear that Colin.... but would have thought that gave you damn good reason to vote Labour... The Green Party does have some good policies, similar to Labour in many areas, but has virtually zero chance of being elected....

Colin Wonfor
04-06-2017, 05:15
The trouble is we all say that smaller groups like the Greens stand no chance so we vote Labour, it a shame a coordinated system that we the people have says a enough today we all vote anything except the one we always assume to be in with a chance and as in the past they fuck it up as normal. So lets get organised and vote anything but not the past thieves and crook we always assume should be in power. It our fault vote this bully or his mate that bully, it time we had the power in ourselves to say HEY STOP it's our country ,it's land, it's our money not yours. Now get out, live on the dole, live in the street, sit in your wheel chair, and see us the real people look after you as you do us, what no food or a roof, never mind look in the waste bin.

tapid
04-06-2017, 06:46
The benefits system is fucked in the UK - unfortunately the Tories especially have done such a good job convincing people that everyone is a scrounger any talk of paying higher taxes to support those less able is dismissed.

The single most draining outgoing is electricity and gas - I cannot see why those on benefits can't pay a lower rate and rich bastard's pay a higher rate. Why not?

There is some sort of gov/ energy supplier scheme that helps pensioners on low incomes. For example my mother in law pays next to nothing. Btw many of those rich B s have
put there money into start up businesses ( many go bust) that employ folk. Really sorry to hear about your plight Colin. best wishes

farflungstar
04-06-2017, 07:00
There is some sort of gov/ energy supplier scheme that helps pensioners on low incomes. For example my mother in law pays next to nothing. Btw many of those rich B s have
put there money into start up businesses ( many go bust) that employ folk. Really sorry to hear about your plight Colin. best wishes
That may be true for pensioners - but I we'll remember living in abject fear of my electricity bill at 40 because it took around 65% of my 70 quid benefit whilst a friend on 175k was paying the same tariff - there's no comparison.

With the highest energy prices in the EU everyone on benefits should receive a vastly reduced tariff - and those with the means pay more. The same goes for passenger transport.

£5 to go to the job centre, the doctors, interviews - from £70 quid is ridiculous. In fact it's impossible - it becomes a choice of food or transport - hence the rise of food banks.

shane
04-06-2017, 07:37
Blaming the Tories for taking away benefits is like blaming a snake for being poisonous. It's what they do, and they will never change. The real evil is the poison dripped daily in the ears of middle England by the Daily Mail, the Express, the Sun and the Mirror. All owned by multi-millionaires who use them to convince us that the whole world is scrounging off the UK, so the Torirs stay in power and they get to pay no tax on their offshore owned fortunes. Get rid of them, tell the people the truth and the Tory voting base would be reduced to the tiny minority who actually benefit from their presence.

Colin Wonfor
04-06-2017, 07:40
That may be true for pensioners - but I we'll remember living in abject fear of my electricity bill at 40 because it took around 65% of my 70 quid benefit whilst a friend on 175k was paying the same tariff - there's no comparison.

With the highest energy prices in the EU everyone on benefits should receive a vastly reduced tariff - and those with the means pay more. The same goes for passenger transport.

£5 to go to the job centre, the doctors, interviews - from £70 quid is ridiculous. In fact it's impossible - it becomes a choice of food or transport - hence the rise of food banks.


I was working in Scotland and living in Dalgety Bay, the dole office was in Dunfermline a few miles away, and you have to pay to park I was 14 yrs younger mmm shhh. I was made redundant but because I was there only a few weeks the state only gave me a massive 10p every 14 days, phew I could live. My parking was like 50p for 2hrs just to sign on what a shit system.

In 1988 my life took a steeper nose dive , Inca Tech was closed by me, I was homeless and no work and the state yet again came to the rescue and basically said piss of. I lived in a wreak of a car behind a bill board in Southend on Sea, no loo no wash facilities no food no heating, some of you have seen me I am now 6ft 4in and about 18 stone then I was 8 stone and a bag of bones. Thank God for kind people I did some washing up for Indian and Chinese restaurants and they rewarded me with food and often a place to wash, but this was normally on a Saturday. So all week I smelled like crap and was so hungry and tied, my health suffered and my heart was weaken, and it as got much worse this last F--K up 3 year by "54 51"
But I am not going to give in to mindless morons trying to control my life with rules that help them and there kind only, it is time we the peoples of earth stopped these criminals, we gave up trees and clubs years ago.

Rant over nothing will change, Trumps bombs might help to fix the world but us dead ones will care not.

Colin Wonfor
04-06-2017, 07:48
So in the next 4 days we can change this countries ruling bullies with no brains for there friends and family and mates with the same qualification a BA in ME ME MINE . This must change voting for Fred,s clones is still Fred.
Think out of the box vote anything except for Fred or is clone, either of them think new.

farflungstar
04-06-2017, 07:55
I was working in Scotland and living in Dalgety Bay, the dole office was in Dunfermline a few miles away, and you have to pay to park I was 14 yrs younger mmm shhh. I was made redundant but because I was there only a few weeks the state only gave me a massive 10p every 14 days, phew I could live. My parking was like 50p for 2hrs just to sign on what a shit system.

In 1988 my life took a steeper nose dive , Inca Tech was closed by me, I was homeless and no work and the state yet again came to the rescue and basically said piss of. I lived in a wreak of a car behind a bill board in Southend on Sea, no loo no wash facilities no food no heating, some of you have seen me I am now 6ft 4in and about 18 stone then I was 8 stone and a bag of bones. Thank God for kind people I did some washing up for Indian and Chinese restaurants and they rewarded me with food and often a place to wash, but this was normally on a Saturday. So all week I smelled like crap and was so hungry and tied, my health suffered and my heart was weaken, and it as got much worse this last F--K up 3 year by "54 51"
But I am not going to give in to mindless morons trying to control my life with rules that help them and there kind only, it is time we the peoples of earth stopped these criminals, we gave up trees and clubs years ago.

Rant over nothing will change, Trumps bombs might help to fix the world but us dead ones will care not.
Colin unless you have been there it's impossible to understand. What most people don't realise is that the state is actually against you. For every person milking it there are a thousand honest decent folk who just need help to get back on their feet or live with dignity if they are unable to. But like so many things the public has been brainwashed. You have a talent - this you must not forget.

hifinutt
04-06-2017, 13:39
sorry to hear this colin. I have recently spent nearly 3 months helping a disabled lady who has a lot of falls and is disabled . she was in same situation re pip and was very anxious . I have not yet had an update on how she got on but its not easy paying all the heating bills and all those other costs that one incurs when disabled . like maintaining a stair lift and paying for cleaners etc. I was pleased to be able to make her life easier in a number of ways .

one simple thing , was she was walking with a cup of coffee wobbling all over the place and spilling it all over floors as uneven floors . poor old cleaner had a wonderful time clearing it up . we thought what about using one of those flask type cups and such a simple thing has saved so much time

many have had the disability cars taken off them and its very sad when that happens . I hope things can be improved whoever gets into power

tapid
04-06-2017, 17:34
A lovely post Phil, more power to you ! I think we are really feeling the affects now of the baby boomer generation getting on in years
and unfortunately the situation is only going to get worse.

Colin Wonfor
05-06-2017, 09:44
This is some of the advise I have been given:-
And a comment from some medical staff which I do no agree with:- " All the patients we get coming complaining about PIP are all white" (a) now does this mean the others are happy? (b) or does this mean prejudice to the white minority here in the Borough of Newham? (c) or is there more white folk with unfit life style that cause disability ? (d) or are those on the scam ? any answers? My answers having lived here now for nearly 3 yrs is and seeing the life style of others is (c)

The advice:-
From Fred,
Hi Colin, here's some help for the next step in your battle. You have 28 days from the date on the decision letter to get your MR (Mandatory Reconsideration, the first stage of an appeal process) request in, or two weeks after they post out the medical report, whichever is later.
There's two ways to go. Either do the simplest letter for the Mandatory Reconsideration, hoping to get to the independent Tribunal appeal stage quickly, or do a thorough job of trashing their decision in the MR and providing more evidence that their decision was wrong, hoping for a positive MR.
It's always best, if there's time, to do your MR by letter. Keep a copy, NI number and name on every page. If you're pushing the deadline though, call them, keep a note of the time and date of the call, who you spoke to and what was agreed then follow up by letter.

Bear in mind that only 11% of MRs succeed, whereas at Tribunal the success rate is 70%.

First step on the journey is to get a copy of that medical report, ask for it in writing so you have a record. Then pull it to pieces, we have a great guide on how to do that here https://drive.google.com/open...
Benefits and Work full guide https://drive.google.com/open...

You need to show the decisionmaker where you should be awarded points according to the regulations and descriptors which you can find here:
https://drive.google.com/open...
Only 11% of MRs are successful though now… whereas over 70% of Appeals find for us. A full job now will be included in the paperwork for Tribunal by the DWP, a simple letter followed by a negative MR means you'll have to do the full job for Tribunal.


I've adapted a template letter that you could use:
Name:
Date of birth:
NINO:
Date:
Dear Sir/Ms,
MANDATORY RECONSIDERATION REQUEST
I request that you reconsider your decision dated (the date on the decision letter) finding me ineligible for an award of Personal Independence Payment.

Please also send me a copy of the medical report you used to make your decision. (if you're going the MR fast track route and you haven't got it yet)

I consider that I provided enough evidence for a finding to be made that I am eligible for (here state what award you feel you should have)

I do not consider that the decision maker took full account of the severity of my condition or of the way that it affects my everyday activities and bodily functions.

(then this) I do not have any further evidence to add at this stage. I will present any new evidence to the Tribunal service if I need to appeal your mandatory reconsideration decision.

(or this) I wish to add the following evidence: (then list what you're sending them) and consider I should have scored (List descriptors and points you think you should have)

Important note: should I wish to withdraw this request I will only do so in writing. Under no circumstances will I withdraw this request verbally. If you speak to me on the telephone about this matter, nothing I say should be construed as a withdrawal unless and until it is confirmed in writing.

Yours faithfully,

Include evidence from others to back you up like maybe three from the following:
*Doctor's letter
*Patient Summary print out from the GP surgery - usually free
*Specialist letters - from their secretary or in your GP notes file. Ask specialists to copy you in to their reports to your GP
*Prescription list - will also be in your patient summary
*Occupational Therapist report or letter
*Social Care report or letter
*Photos of you in trouble and adaptations you've had to make to cope,
*Letters from people who know how your conditions affect you - family, friends, carers <<< very valuable <<<
*A diary of a week, or just a day in your life, showing how your illness stops you living normally <<<also great <<<
Diary link:https://drive.google.com/open...
*A list of your symptoms - refer to symptom lists of your illness/es
*Proof you do internet shopping - keep the receipts
*Receipt from the Chemist for home delivery
*A timeline of your illnesses, work, and benefit claims.
https://www.facebook.com/.../pip-advice.../700422673330931

If they refuse to change their decision on mandatory reconsideration, you then take your case to the tribunal service.


Jane Clout Hi Colin, here's some help for the next step in your battle. You have 28 days from the date on the decision letter to get your MR (Mandatory Reconsideration, the first stage of an appeal process) request in, or two weeks after they post out the medical report, whichever is later.
There's two ways to go. Either do the simplest letter for the Mandatory Reconsideration, hoping to get to the independent Tribunal appeal stage quickly, or do a thorough job of trashing their decision in the MR and providing more evidence that their decision was wrong, hoping for a positive MR.
It's always best, if there's time, to do your MR by letter. Keep a copy, NI number and name on every page. If you're pushing the deadline though, call them, keep a note of the time and date of the call, who you spoke to and what was agreed then follow up by letter.

Bear in mind that only 11% of MRs succeed, whereas at Tribunal the success rate is 70%.

First step on the journey is to get a copy of that medical report, ask for it in writing so you have a record. Then pull it to pieces, we have a great guide on how to do that here https://drive.google.com/open...
Benefits and Work full guide https://drive.google.com/open...

You need to show the decisionmaker where you should be awarded points according to the regulations and descriptors which you can find here:
https://drive.google.com/open...
Only 11% of MRs are successful though now… whereas over 70% of Appeals find for us. A full job now will be included in the paperwork for Tribunal by the DWP, a simple letter followed by a negative MR means you'll have to do the full job for Tribunal.


I've adapted a template letter that you could use:
Name:
Date of birth:
NINO:
Date:
Dear Sir/Ms,
MANDATORY RECONSIDERATION REQUEST
I request that you reconsider your decision dated (the date on the decision letter) finding me ineligible for an award of Personal Independence Payment.

Please also send me a copy of the medical report you used to make your decision. (if you're going the MR fast track route and you haven't got it yet)

I consider that I provided enough evidence for a finding to be made that I am eligible for (here state what award you feel you should have)

I do not consider that the decision maker took full account of the severity of my condition or of the way that it affects my everyday activities and bodily functions.

(then this) I do not have any further evidence to add at this stage. I will present any new evidence to the Tribunal service if I need to appeal your mandatory reconsideration decision.

(or this) I wish to add the following evidence: (then list what you're sending them) and consider I should have scored (List descriptors and points you think you should have)

Important note: should I wish to withdraw this request I will only do so in writing. Under no circumstances will I withdraw this request verbally. If you speak to me on the telephone about this matter, nothing I say should be construed as a withdrawal unless and until it is confirmed in writing.

Yours faithfully,

Include evidence from others to back you up like maybe three from the following:
*Doctor's letter
*Patient Summary print out from the GP surgery - usually free
*Specialist letters - from their secretary or in your GP notes file. Ask specialists to copy you in to their reports to your GP
*Prescription list - will also be in your patient summary
*Occupational Therapist report or letter
*Social Care report or letter
*Photos of you in trouble and adaptations you've had to make to cope,
*Letters from people who know how your conditions affect you - family, friends, carers <<< very valuable <<<
*A diary of a week, or just a day in your life, showing how your illness stops you living normally <<<also great <<<
Diary link:https://drive.google.com/open...
*A list of your symptoms - refer to symptom lists of your illness/es
*Proof you do internet shopping - keep the receipts
*Receipt from the Chemist for home delivery
*A timeline of your illnesses, work, and benefit claims.
https://www.facebook.com/.../pip-advice.../700422673330931

If they refuse to change their decision on mandatory reconsideration, you then take your case to the tribunal service.

PIP appeal challenge report.pdf
DRIVE.GOOGLE.COM
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walpurgis
05-06-2017, 09:57
They don't like life to be simple for people do they? Best of luck getting this sorted Colin. :thumbsup:

Colin Wonfor
05-06-2017, 10:11
No they are trying to save money by waiting for us to die ASAP and slowly. Bloody Nazis tactics.

RothwellAudio
05-06-2017, 10:26
The Green Party does have some good policies, similar to Labour in many areas, but has virtually zero chance of being elected....
You don't have to get elected to have an impact on politics. I think UKIP have proved that.
Besides, not voting for a party because you think they won't win surely means we're stuck with the same old two parties forever.

Colin Wonfor
05-06-2017, 10:36
This thread is not about what bully boy group is in power it is about the rights of people in-firmed and need help.
So Green, Nazi, Lab,Lib,Con or just Fred from the fish shop they just want power nothing to do with helping the people who pay them for help and support. Most could not organise a drowning in the sea without help from a Shark. And note they always say what you want to hear to get into power and your piggy bank. Beware of strangers bearing gifts it is most likely a scam. I got the "T" shirt with (54,51) on it already.

Colin Wonfor
05-06-2017, 10:43
Read this article by Lady Jane Cambell, I had tea with here once in her home and she loves her music a very nice Lady.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/14/disability-rights-under-threat-in-uk

I bought her Nakamichi Cassette deck lovely machine.

Arkless Electronics
05-06-2017, 16:17
This thread is not about what bully boy group is in power it is about the rights of people in-firmed and need help.
So Green, Nazi, Lab,Lib,Con or just Fred from the fish shop they just want power nothing to do with helping the people who pay them for help and support. Most could not organise a drowning in the sea without help from a Shark. And note they always say what you want to hear to get into power and your piggy bank. Beware of strangers bearing gifts it is most likely a scam. I got the "T" shirt with (54,51) on it already.

For someone/some organisation to be in a position to help in such matters they must first be in a position of power to be able to change things to offer that help!

struth
05-06-2017, 16:51
I didnt ask for it as I couldnt face their nazi tactics. and dont kid yourselves, that is what they are

Arkless Electronics
05-06-2017, 16:59
I didnt ask for it as I couldnt face their nazi tactics. and dont kid yourselves, that is what they are

I guess the bastards are hoping many will be put off by the inquisition etc.... and the rest die before they get any benefits....

Sherwood
05-06-2017, 17:13
We have not had the opportunity as a nation to chose between two clearly different paths for decades. For many, Blair came as a welcome change from decades of Thatcher and her wannabe clones. Reality was that that Blair was also one of those clones and more toxic than many.

Corbyn is offering something different: socialism. It is being portrayed in the media as totalitarian Marxism, and Corbyn as some Stalinist dictator. Reality is that the Labour Manifesto is offering the type of policies that count as centrist in most of Europe.

May's presidential posturing; her claims of competence and trustworthiness are shite!

Do the right thing on Thursday!

Geoff

Arkless Electronics
05-06-2017, 17:19
We have not had the opportunity as a nation to chose between two clearly different paths for decades. For many, Blair came as a welcome change from decades of Thatcher and her wannabe clones. Reality was that that Blair was also one of those clones and more toxic than many.

Corbyn is offering something different: socialism. It is being portrayed in the media as totalitarian Marxism, and Corbyn as some Stalinist dictator. Reality is that the Labour Manifesto is offering the type of policies that count as centrist in most of Europe.

May's presidential posturing; her claims of competence and trustworthiness are shite!

Do the right thing on Thursday!

Geoff

+1!

And to think that I nearly went and congratulated Blair in person on the night of his first election victory, so glad was I to see the back of the Tories! I was just up the road (in Darlington) from Bishop Auckland leisure centre where he was declared winner....

Sherwood
05-06-2017, 17:23
+1!

And to think that I nearly went and congratulated Blair in person on the night of his first election victory, so glad was I to see the back of the Tories! I was just up the road (in Darlington) from Bishop Auckland leisure centre where he was declared winner....

I live in hope that Blair and Trump will share a prison cell in the near future, albeit for different reasons!

Geoff:steam:

AlexM
06-06-2017, 16:24
Blair was the worst thing that has happened to our country for a very long time. At least Thatcher was a conviction politician and she did what she said, Blair was an amoral, sleazy manipulator who's legacy will remain for a very, very long time. A confidence trickster and huckster who along with Gordon Brown brought us to the bring of calamity and bankruptcy, not to mention destabilising the whole middle east through his interventionism causing thousands of deaths directly and indirectly.

Colin Wonfor
28-06-2017, 06:09
Well here we go again, when my company was stolen from me by my ex-wife and business partner three years ago, I became homeless and very ill. My old friend took me in to look after me and last November we married I managed to salvage a few pounds from the divorce but it did leave me with debts to pay. This left me just enough money to buy a cheap black dustbin bag funeral. Now PIP come along and remove my only form of transport after 4 years, I had to buy a car, so a dip into the Black Bag fund was needed. Found a nice car for £3K now the kind RSA the insurance arm of Mobility sent me my three year no claim report, and I have never had any reason to call upon in the past insurance company for any thing so I had at least 40 years no claims.( Ha Ha Ha)

OK lets get insurance I tried my past insurance company Endsleigh and got a shock the greedy sods want £3000 fully Comprehensive and would not take into account the RSA report at all. I did find insurance after many pitfalls with Admiral but again crazy money £700, before mobility I had a Jag it was only £250 so why is a cheap car these silly prices.
So Be Warned the RSA is worthless to Zurich and Endsleigh Tesco AA and a few more, hunt around please , now I have to find a Black Bin Liner again.

DO NOT USE THIS BUNCH OF BANDITS