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These will be with me on Friday ,
Hopefully all the drivers work lol.
So what can I expect? Any tips on the mid/hf settings?
dantheman91
31-05-2017, 12:24
These will be with me on Friday ,
Hopefully all the drivers work lol.
So what can I expect? Any tips on the mid/hf settings?
Dont take the mid ranges apart if they dont work....they have beryllium in them they should all work though depends how they have been used in the past hopefully not thrashed/
These will be with me on Friday ,
Hopefully all the drivers work lol.
So what can I expect? Any tips on the mid/hf settings?
Personally I find they sound best with the trim pots set to 0 or close to. I think on mine the tweeter is a fraction lower than 0 and the mid is flat 0. I would start with this and then experiment. I did hear some not long ago with the mid turned to -3dB and whilst the owner claims it gave the flattest frequency response I find this impossible to believe as the mid sounded extremely recessed and almost like it had been disconnected! (It's easy to make a mistake measuring speakers).
I'm not sure why you are being given the advice above. The drive units aren't intended to be dismantled and I'm sure you aren't intending to. However, unless you intend to grind the cones (both the mid and tweeter are pure beryllium) to a powder and inhale it you won't suffer beryllium poisoning.
dantheman91
31-05-2017, 14:02
Personally I find they sound best with the trim pots set to 0 or close to. I think on mine the tweeter is a fraction lower than 0 and the mid is flat 0. I would start with this and then experiment. I did hear some not long ago with the mid turned to -3dB and whilst the owner claims it gave the flattest frequency response I find this impossible to believe as the mid sounded extremely recessed and almost like it had been disconnected! (It's easy to make a mistake measuring speakers).
I'm not sure why you are being given the advice above. The drive units aren't intended to be dismantled and I'm sure you aren't intending to. However, unless you intend to grind the cones (both the mid and tweeter are pure beryllium) to a powder and inhale it you won't suffer beryllium poisoning.
Trying to help as Jamie has done tweeters in the past.....gets you no where in being kind...:) their again what do i know....;)
:)
Sorry, you mean you were saving him from potentially being poisoned? Luckily, unless he is planning on eating any of the beryllium domes or grinding them up and inhaling them then he will be OK (from poisoning at least) - there's no beryllium dust/gas etc in them waiting to be released.
If any of the drive units don't work I would recommend you claim a refund as replacement units are expensive and repair is, at best, a delicate procedure (if it can be done at all).
walpurgis
31-05-2017, 14:20
Metallic Beryllium is perfectly safe when used in speaker diaphrams.
dantheman91
31-05-2017, 14:20
Sorry, you mean you were saving him from potentially being poisoned? Luckily, unless he is planning on eating any of the beryllium domes or grinding them up and inhaling them then he will be OK (from poisoning at least) - there's no beryllium dust/gas etc in them waiting to be released.
If any of the drive units don't work I would recommend you claim a refund as replacement units are expensive and repair is, at best, a delicate procedure (if it can be done at all).
Yes this.....I really dont know that much about these hence was trying to help encase...They were bought at auction so the chances of seeing the £500 again a slim....I cant see any reason why the wouldn't work the pictures look fine...:)
cheers all.
yes bought at auction and was told they were working before being entered for sale,if by chance somethings a miss i will probably break (which is a shame) due to the cost of replacement drivers let alone one turning up in the first place for sale!
i wait with bated breath :)
Might be able to return them if not as stated
No, because they were bought at auction, that doesn't apply.
I thought they changed the law on that in June of 2014. maybe not, but worth investigating
They're scrap, I'll give you £50 for them just to get rid of them for you 😁
No, because they were bought at auction, that doesn't apply.
yep,auction rules are different to online auctions such as ebay,its buyer beware im sorry to say.
The courier has just called to confirm Friday, apparently there's an amp and CD player with them, let's hope it's a Yamaha b-2!! Lol
walpurgis
31-05-2017, 20:02
The courier has just called to confirm Friday, apparently there's an amp and CD player with them, let's hope it's a Yamaha b-2!! Lol
Both Amstrad I believe. :D
Arkless Electronics
31-05-2017, 20:04
Beryllium oxide is the dodgy stuff. It's used in electronics as an insulator with superb heat transference properties.
Arkless Electronics
31-05-2017, 20:06
The courier has just called to confirm Friday, apparently there's an amp and CD player with them, let's hope it's a Yamaha b-2!! Lol
To state the bleedin obvious, if they were part of a system that the Yams were with then they are likely to be pretty upmarket;)
I know that's why I'm excited!! Have a look in past masters, auction cock up thread for the photo, you might recognise what they are.
Arkless Electronics
31-05-2017, 20:18
I know that's why I'm excited!! Have a look in past masters, auction cock up thread for the photo, you might recognise what they are.
'fraid not..
dantheman91
31-05-2017, 20:31
Beryllium oxide is the dodgy stuff. It's used in electronics as an insulator with superb heat transference properties.
As the expert with 40+ agrees with me their must be something in it....:)
walpurgis
31-05-2017, 20:36
The amp looks like a relatively recent Yamaha integrated. Could be decent. The other item looks like a Denon tuner to me.
dantheman91
31-05-2017, 20:41
Yep Yamaha Amp & Denon tuner.......Not shoddy by any means
Amp looks like a Denon AVC 3530.
i reckon your right there,good call :)
As the expert with 40+ agrees with me their must be something in it....:)
You do realise Jez isn't agreeing with you, he's saying it is the oxide that is the problem. On second thoughts you obviously don't realise that! Anyway, nobody is going to get poisoned now thanks to you, so all ends well.
Jamie, I hope your speakers are OK with no damage - fingers crossed.
dantheman91
01-06-2017, 17:15
[QUOTE=YNWaN;870367]You do realise Jez isn't agreeing with you, he's saying it is the oxide that is the problem. On second thoughts you obviously don't realise that! Anyway, nobody is going to get poisoned now thanks to you, so all ends well.
Stand corrected.....I only read somewhere that it wasn't good to handle
I don't think Mark meant that the way it came across. For what it's worth, Mark has done a shedload of work on his NS1000M and probably knows every nut and bolt. And I'm sure he would be happy to help out if you do end up having any issues with them.
well im sat hear listening to them,all the drivers work which is a great relief!
im not thinking jesus these are amazing but thats probably because the M.S. Signifers are so good.
the NS1000's i think are better but not a huge difference.top end and the massive mids are very clear and precise,i like that.
im going to have a play setting them up properly tomorrow.
1 thing i will say is these are without doubt the heaviest mofo's ive ever picked up!
the amp is a denon avc-3530 anyone know what its worth?
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Looks to be a good purchase Jamie, they look mint.
Thats an av amp...a big un too.. probably about 200£
Bigman80
02-06-2017, 16:32
Look good mate.
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Thats an av amp...a big un too.. probably about 200£
its got a phono stage too :)
So you did get a bit of a bargain in the end. Good news!
The AV amp is from early nineties and so has no value as an AV amp nowadays, although it was an expensive one at the time. I'd say £100 tops, be very hard to shift it at any price I suspect.
Still the Yammies are sound and that's what matters.
yes i suspected that mate due to lack of hdmi inputs. hmm now do i get into home cinema??
You could have the Signifiers as the fronts and the Yams as the rears. That should move some air.
Amp is not AC3/Dolby Digital so you will only have Prologic. Still would be fun though.
A couple on the bay in nice nick.. asking £250 but unsold so less than that presumably. If its nice it will be a good standby amp to keep, especially if phono stage is decent and it might be
Yep the whole worth of it, if any, will be in the 2 channel performance.
Jamie, that's excellent news that the Yammies are in full working order. To get the best from them, like any good speaker, you need to work on the setup. Replace the spring clip terminals and feed them with the best amp and source you can afford :) - enjoy.
cheers,as you can imagine all thoughts of a tt psu are on the back burner :)
im using a sony 700es amp at the moment,listening to some floyd they are sounding very good indeed,im sold!
i have them about 125mm from the wall with about 15 degree toe in,all dials at zero. im hearing some very accurate bass.
:concertina:
Incredible speakers. I have been listening to mine recently with the Lentek integrated. Bloody superb sounds.
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any placement tips please?
Bigman80
02-06-2017, 19:30
any placement tips please?
My front room?
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I have mine about two feet from a rear wall, not near side walls. I have the tweeters on the outside and a tiny, almost no, tow in.
Some prefer them closer to a back wall but I feel no need for bass reinforcement when driven by quality SS amps.
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My front room?
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My front room?
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not a chance sunbeam :)
I have mine about two feet from a rear wall, not near side walls. I have the tweeters on the outside and a tiny, almost no, tow in.
Some prefer them closer to a back wall but I feel no need for bass reinforcement when driven by quality SS amps.
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nice one cheers.
Well pleased for you matey, I did have a box of tissues on standby just in case
Bigman80
02-06-2017, 19:36
not a chance sunbeam :)
nice one cheers.
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Well pleased for you matey, I did have a box of tissues on standby just in case
they are good but i doubt id have a w**k over them :lol:
they are good but i doubt id have a w**k over them :lol:
You've done worse :bum:
yep but ive never been caught for it!
walpurgis
02-06-2017, 19:59
yep but ive never been caught for it!
Nor have I! :eek:
I have mine about two feet from a rear wall, not near side walls. I have the tweeters on the outside and a tiny, almost no, tow in.
Some prefer them closer to a back wall but I feel no need for bass reinforcement when driven by quality SS amps.
I have mine quite similarly set up though I suspect mind are very slightly more angled in. Mine are on taller and much more rigid stands than pictured though and tilted back by a couple of degrees.
Congrats!
AV amps from the 90's are good land-fill, but not suitable to drive NS's ;)
A reasonably beefy tube amp or a very refined solid state will make them sing.
I have yet to find any reason to change them even though i've had speakers 10 times their cost as guests. They are the way cheapest components in my main rig but still stand their ground against massive competition.
cheers,no its not a keeper as i have a sony 700es doing sterling service partnered with the ns1000's
My stands are very rigid. 30cm which placed the midrange at ear height based on my seating position.
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Sorry if any confusion, the stands I was referring to are the ones Jamie has pictured.
Beobloke
03-06-2017, 00:00
Congrats!
AV amps from the 90's are good land-fill, but not suitable to drive NS's ;)
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You've obviously never tried a Yamaha DSP-A1! ;)
sq225917
03-06-2017, 00:48
Similarly, I have mine about seven feet apart, toed in 20 degrees or so, raised about 40cm and angled up ever so slightly. Near field listening at its best.
Sorry if any confusion, the stands I was referring to are the ones Jamie has pictured.
No confusion. I really like the look of Jamie's stands. I don't know what difference a more rigid stand makes but that's always been what I've gone for. Normally there are plenty about second hand.
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None that I felt were adequate which is why I built my own.
I was contemplating having some made. I can't see me replacing them ever so some bespoke stands would be nice. What's your design?
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these are marks stands.
http://www.homebuilthifi.com/project/4702
You've obviously never tried a Yamaha DSP-A1! ;)
Nope, and most likely never will. I have heard other similar monsters however. :)
Still haven't heard anything that was even near challenging a basic, well constructed two channel amp/power.
Sorry if my remark was offensive, but as usual it's a generalisation based on my personal experience. And so far i have never heard anything that would even come close to changing my view.
All ears, though! ;)
57charles
03-06-2017, 13:24
You need to listen to a Yamaha Z9 av amp which will most certainly will change your mind...
Beobloke
03-06-2017, 22:39
Nope, and most likely never will. I have heard other similar monsters however. :)
Still haven't heard anything that was even near challenging a basic, well constructed two channel amp/power.
Sorry if my remark was offensive, but as usual it's a generalisation based on my personal experience. And so far i have never heard anything that would even come close to changing my view.
All ears, though! ;)
Offensive? No, don't be daft!
Just pointing out that it's unwise to dismiss all AV amps without hearing them. I bought my DSP-A1 at the end of an Audiojumble for £25 as it had no remote, out of curiosity more than anything. I was completely unprepared for just how good it was!
And as it is my assertion that NS-1000s sound best when driven by Yamaha amplifiers, I would say that the DSP-A1 is a fine candidate.
And as it is my assertion that NS-1000s sound best when driven by Yamaha amplifiers, .....
We'll have to agree to differ on that one I think ;).
Offensive? No, don't be daft!
Just pointing out that it's unwise to dismiss all AV amps without hearing them. I bought my DSP-A1 at the end of an Audiojumble for £25 as it had no remote, out of curiosity more than anything. I was completely unprepared for just how good it was!
And as it is my assertion that NS-1000s sound best when driven by Yamaha amplifiers, I would say that the DSP-A1 is a fine candidate.
Consider me intrigued! :)
I have still to hear a Yamaha amp that will get my juices flowing though! But seriously, a DSP-A1 for £25?!?!? That must be the bargain of the decade!
set about making some decent stands to put them on today,very pleased with the results,textured powder coated but i need to blacken my balls! credit goes to mark for the design :)
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the bass has improved as has the over all sound by bring up the tweeter to ear level.
having only three legs makes them a very easy to level and adjust tilt back.
walpurgis
06-06-2017, 17:40
Very nice Jamie. Proper job that. You should offer a few sets on here. Get some more speaker money! ;)
ha ha,i'd like to think that's it with speakers for a while mate,mind you i thought that with the signifers! :D
Nice job those Jamie :) - hopefully they sound significantly better. You probably could sell some as rigid NS1000M stands are not easy to get. Did you also turn the spikes for them? The balls on mine are actually stainless steel but you can buy black Delrin ones. I also use a Delrin puck between the ball and the speaker with taller ones at the front to impart 2.5 degrees of tilt.
Looks superb. Outstanding job on the stands.
thanks ,yes i turned the spikes,the hard way without a lathe!
they do sound much better,i have read about your pucks/hip joints over on homebuilt hifi,a good idea.
i do plan to get either metal or delrin balls,the ones i used are wood as i had them to hand.
whats the theory behind the tilting back,could you explain please.i sit about 2.3 meters away from mine,would i notice a difference?
Fantastic job Jamie! They look very, very nice!
My own are made from wood and show definitive signs of amateurism! ;)
walpurgis
06-06-2017, 19:27
If you want cheap, substantial threaded ball ends. Use car track rod ends and cut the casing off. Just cut most of the way through and split them with a chisel. I've used these in the past for various things. You can pick them up for a couple of quid a go if you're lucky.
Very nice stands you made there mate
thanks ,yes i turned the spikes,the hard way without a lathe!
Ha yeah, I guess that was with the threaded bar in the chuck of a drill against a disk sander - does work well though.
they do sound much better,i have read about your pucks/hip joints over on homebuilt hifi,a good idea.
i do plan to get either metal or delrin balls,the ones i used are wood as i had them to hand.
whats the theory behind the tilting back,could you explain please.i sit about 2.3 meters away from mine,would i notice a difference?
There are two ideas behind tilting them back; 1/ it brings the drive units closer to being time aligned and 2/ it means the listening axis is moved to be between the mid and tweeter which is optimal for the NS-1000M.
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Ha yeah, I guess that was with the threaded bar in the chuck of a drill against a disk sander - does work well though.
There are two ideas behind tilting them back; 1/ it brings the drive units closer to being time aligned and 2/ it means the listening axis is moved to be between the mid and tweeter which is optimal for the NS-1000M.
lol yep you've guessed it,i stuck a nut on the threaded rod to act as a stop to do the remove the thread nice and even.
what ever tilting them back does it has improved them a lot,i have them at about 1.5 degrees,it seems to have had an affect on separation between instruments,they are clearly defined. does this follow your findings?
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2017, 18:47
Yammies and Signifers... both very good speakers... similar price new IIRC... so which is best then Jamie?
Well I'd say the yammies take it with shear clarity and detail,signifiers have better bass I'd say but again not the detail of the ns1000's
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2017, 19:22
Both keepers?
what ever tilting them back does it has improved them a lot,i have them at about 1.5 degrees,it seems to have had an affect on separation between instruments,they are clearly defined. does this follow your findings?
Yes, I found it made quite a big difference. Individual elements within the stereo image seem better focussed and more separated - I think this is what you are also describing.
You can do quite a lot to build on the sound of the Yammies whilst improving on the bass etc. Try replacing the wooden balls with steel ones (I know you intend to do this). Replace the spring clip terminals with proper binding posts (you can buy conversion kits on eBay). I did elaborate bracing to the back of the bass driver and a bunch of other stuff - it depends how much you want, or are prepared, to do.
nothing major to report,ive have ordered some 25mm ball bearings to replace the wooden ones,after that im getting some lead shot to fill the stands and also replace the spring terminals.
im still amazed at how tilting them back has changed the presentation,i may try bringing them away from the wall a bit too.
after some more listening my initial feeling was wrong,they are much better than the signifers!
the accuracy is spot on,using poor old george michael as an example the trumpet on "you have been loved" just sounds so real i could believe he's in front of me.
Yeah, I use mine away from the wall a bit too and, as you probably know, I also have the legs of my stands filled with lead shot :).
look everyone! i had my balls chromed!!:lol:
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just had to check that wasn't a mis spelling :lol:
Bigman80
17-06-2017, 19:15
look everyone! i had my balls chromed!![emoji38]
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Very nice results on the stands Jamie and the balls finish them off a treat.
Great work :respect:
mark very kindly dug out a spare pair for my ns1000's.
they seem to focus and sharpen them up nicely,they look good too!
cheers mark :cool:
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i received some decent binding posts today from the states.
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Bigman80
15-10-2017, 20:08
Nice!
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Last week installed the same posts, Also replaced the wires from post to XO with some decent cable.
Must say I didn't notice any change in sound. But the sturdier posts do give a peace of mind.
I still have the mid range at -3 dB and the highs at - 1.5 .
Sounds the best for me, also gives the straightest measurements.
Don't notice any problems with fase shift, as I believe Ynwan remarked.
i received some decent binding posts today from the states.
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Just check the binding posts are Brass. I got some similar looking items when I first got my Yammies. They felt a bit light, so I took a file to the end of the solder tab on the body part, they were white metal so I binned them. I use banana plugs exclusively on speaker leads, the solder, bodyless, Z type, so ended up getting some high quality banana sockets. Like these
http://www.jkwynn.co.uk/Yam_HTML/Yam_20.html
im still amazed at how tilting them back has changed the presentation,i may try bringing them away from the wall a bit too.
after some more listening my initial feeling was wrong,they are much better than the signifers!
the accuracy is spot on,using poor old george michael as an example the trumpet on "you have been loved" just sounds so real i could believe he's in front of me.
When Troels Grevensen did his crossover work on the NS-1000m he noticed that they were better with the mic set at mid range height rather than the usual Tweeter listening height. So maybe when tilting them back you are creating a similar effect at your listening position, the mid range being on axis with your ears.
Just a thought.
Just check the binding posts are Brass. I got some similar looking items when I first got my Yammies. They felt a bit light, so I took a file to the end of the solder tab on the body part, they were white metal so I binned them. I use banana plugs exclusively on speaker leads, the solder, bodyless, Z type, so ended up getting some high quality banana sockets. Like these
http://www.jkwynn.co.uk/Yam_HTML/Yam_20.html
These are the ones I bought ken, I saw your thread so I didn’t buy from the guy in Japan doing them.
These ones came from the states.
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Hi Jamie - A lot of things on sale in the States are made in China, so it is still worth checking them.
If you look at the add, it just says Gold plated, but no mention of the substrate, which always makes me suspicious. The white metal ones I ended up with even had steel solder tags, Gold plated, but steel, a magnet soon confirmed that.
I re-used the plastic plates and replaced the posts with some Gold over Brass I got from a UK supplier and were a straight forward swap out. I used these for a while, prior to purchasing the Banana Sockets, which I now use everywhere posts would be found, including the back of Amps. They look good, take up less space and as they don't stick out, don't snap off when you bang into something, which I have done twice with posts.
Hope yours are right.
phew,a sigh of relief as mine are not magnetic.
phew,a sigh of relief as mine are not magnetic.
If the body is white metal, a magnet wouldn't stick, it could only confirm the solder tags weren't steel.
A few strokes of a file on the flat end of the nipple at the rear will tell you if the body is brass.
I’m making some new badges for mine in the style of the NS-5000
I’m making some new badges for mine in the style of the NS-5000
NS-5000 is a seriously good speaker, but has an equally serious price tag, has to be admired though.
Is the badge not just printed on the baffle using the smaller current Logo?
The logo and font are actually the same. It’s just that the tuning fork logo is in front of the Yamaha logo and the whole thing is scaled down to fit; the actual model number is not included. I’m not making any claims to be reinventing the wheel here but I’ve done a couple of versions. One that is brushed silver lettering on black and another that is pierced black lettering on a black background (perhaps too subtle) - the same thing in smoked grey may work well.
I'm sure which ever one you use Mark, it will be up to your usual high standard.
Sorry, it’s all largelely irrelevant and thanks to the effects of auto correct largely gibberish too - I’ll see if I can correct it it. Again, thanks for your patience.
a small update to these speakers,
i followed ken's advice and fitted some much better quality binding posts,these are brass gold plated by Hirschmann.
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Nice job matey, I must get round to doing the same for the Signifers
Bigman80
03-11-2017, 20:28
Very tidy mate. Nice job.
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Nice job Jamie.
Bigman80
18-11-2017, 00:45
You inspired me [emoji6]
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Bigman80
18-11-2017, 16:40
Daft question, Jamie. Did you notice any change to your speakers performance when you changed the Binding posts?
sq225917
18-11-2017, 18:17
oh, go on.
slighty but then the ones they replaced were shit
Bigman80
18-11-2017, 18:28
Ok. Ta.
I was using some crap cable as jumpers due to the original spring Terminals having 2mm access only. As soon as I removed them and used the new terminals, the sound massively improved. Just wondered how much was down to the crap cable and the new terminals. As you say, better terminals providing better connections could make a difference.
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If anyone is interested, I have started a Project "The Yamaha NS-1000 Updated"
This is using the excellent Original Mid dome, as I couldn't find an alternative, with a 12" Scanspeak Woofer which goes a lot deeper in a similar size sealed box and the Peerless HDS Tweeter. The speakers will use the Hypex DSP as crossover.
There was a distinct lack of interest in my last few postings so I haven't bothered putting it up here.
You can follow it on my Blog here: http://www.jkwynn.co.uk/YamRev_HTML/YamRev_Thumbs.html :)
Bigman80
14-12-2017, 12:34
Nice! I look forward to seeing how you get on.
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My active Yamaha has strayed so far away from the original, that I have started a separate project for an active 3-way.
Jamie123 - If your looking for a concise version of my mods to the passive stock crossover, check out my summing up on my thread, post #253 here:
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?36385-Yamaha-NS1000M-Tweaks/page26
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