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hi all,
i love claritycap sound, so i have for my crossover claritycap MR.
how i'm very instrested to the new line CMR that seems to be better than MR.
do you tried this new claritycap CMR ?
thank in advance;)
Nope! No idea.
However I once fitted Clarity Caps to crossovers. Honestly I found Zero audible differences over the Film 'n Foils they replaced.
Took 'em out a year or so later. Again with no audible losses.
IMO Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. always.
If it pleases you .. Enjoy.
i'm sorry but i found very big audible differences when changed from basic mkp to claritycap mr: another world
Bigman80
28-05-2017, 21:08
i'm sorry but i found very big audible differences when changed from basic mkp to claritycap mr: another world
I recently did a bit of listening tests with many Capacitors. I included the ESA version from Clarity caps and they were amazingly clear and precise. They were my favorite at the time. Each capacitor i tested had different qualities which really surprised me.
thank you for your reply.
i agree with you: the calritycap esa are the best p/q cap i know.
could i ask you what did you compare them to?
do you have experience only with ESA or also with other caps brands like mundorf ?
Bigman80
29-05-2017, 07:10
thank you for your reply.
i agree with you: the calritycap esa are the best p/q cap i know.
could i ask you what did you compare them to?
do you have experience only with ESA or also with other caps brands like mundorf ?
I also tried :
Mundorf ZN
Mundorf Evo
Clarity Caps ESA
Signal Path Caps
Random Polypropylene caps
My favourites were the Clarity Caps, Mundorf evos and the Signal Path caps. All were very good.
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I also tried :
Mundorf ZN
Mundorf Evo
Clarity Caps ESA
Signal Path Caps
Random Polypropylene caps
My favourites were the Clarity Caps, Mundorf evos and the Signal Path caps. All were very good.
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could you explain the differences between Mundorf evo (alluminium oil ?) vs Claritycap ESA ?
thank you
My crossovers use a mixture of Claritycap ESA and Mundorf Supreme.
My crossovers use a mixture of Claritycap ESA and Mundorf Supreme.
well!
what type of supreme ?
please speak to me about the comparison Claritycap esa vs supreme
thank you
Just standard MCap Supreme. I'm not convinced oil dielectric caps are long term stable.
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/markemark_2006/Yamaha%20NS-1000M%20Refurbishment/04688627-CDAC-4F8F-9F2B-C65B3951C6AF_zpsdlcsye17.jpg (http://s62.photobucket.com/user/markemark_2006/media/Yamaha%20NS-1000M%20Refurbishment/04688627-CDAC-4F8F-9F2B-C65B3951C6AF_zpsdlcsye17.jpg.html)
The tweeter is fed via a single MCap Supreme. I can't really comment much on comparative sound of caps as I haven't done much in the way of assessment - the whole does sound good though :).
The Black Adder
29-05-2017, 10:02
CMR caps are very good indeed. Better than MRs?... Well that would depend on where you put them. I have found that putting them in the HF makes the biggest difference.
I like to get geeky now and then. But not had enough time in the recent months to really go in to it.
MR caps do generally excell in mid and HF areas over ESRs but it's such a subjective issue as equipment can vary so much. I'm lucky enough to be totally happy with my system and so I have a good benchmark to test with.
How that helps.
Josie
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I did originally have an ESA as the tweeter cap but when I tried the Mundorf I felt it was better - sufficiently to warrant altering the final design (the values were the same obviously).
Just standard MCap Supreme. I'm not convinced oil dielectric caps are long term stable.
yes i'm too :)
The tweeter is fed via a single MCap Supreme. I can't really comment much on comparative sound of caps as I haven't done much in the way of assessment - the whole does sound good though .
wondefull work!!!, realy compliments!:clapclapclap:
I did originally have an ESA as the tweeter cap but when I tried the Mundorf I felt it was better - sufficiently to warrant altering the final design (the values were the same obviously).
ok, you find the mundorf better: in what ?
CMR caps are very good indeed. Better than MRs?... Well that would depend on where you put them. I have found that putting them in the HF makes the biggest difference.
I like to get geeky now and then. But not had enough time in the recent months to really go in to it.
MR caps do generally excell in mid and HF areas over ESRs but it's such a subjective issue as equipment can vary so much. I'm lucky enough to be totally happy with my system and so I have a good benchmark to test with.
How that helps.
Josie
thank you very much josie!
i wanna ask you if you comapred cmr to mr or other brand like mundorf :)
I thought, in the top end, the Supreme was a little more open and 'hear in to' than the ESA.
ah, ok the mundorf is more detailed in top end.
so i could define ESA warmer then mundorf supreme standard ?
how is it in bass region ?
The Black Adder
29-05-2017, 11:51
thank you very much josie!
i wanna ask you if you comapred cmr to mr or other brand like mundorf :)
Sure, yes I have replaced MRs with CMR's in the HF and found a slight improvement. I have also replaced with the same in mids and found hardly (if any) change.
I've found that the HF to be more beneficial. Regarding Mundorf, I've yet to try that combo. I have some silver/gold oils which i need to out back in. They are probably the best caps for bass and clarity IMO... Well, at the moment.
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The Black Adder
29-05-2017, 11:54
I'll let you know when I get back in to my geeky mode again. Lol...
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Sure, yes I have replaced MRs with CMR's in the HF and found a slight improvement. I have also replaced with the same in mids and found hardly (if any) change.
only "slight" ?
my friend who project loudspekaers say me that the CMR more better then MR.
probably it depens on the revelatin quality of components, i don't know :)
I've found that the HF to be more beneficial. Regarding Mundorf, I've yet to try that combo. I have some silver/gold oils which i need to out back in. They are probably the best caps for bass and clarity IMO... Well, at the moment.
I'll let you know when I get back in to my geeky mode again. Lol...
thank you !
i know that mundorf caps are on the bright side....
The Black Adder
29-05-2017, 12:14
Cool... let us know how you get on too😁
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No idea I'm afraid - the bass section of the crossover isn't even connected as the bass drivers are driven active from their own amp.
Cool... let us know how you get on too��
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ok, as soon as possible;), but all depends by my friend
No idea I'm afraid - the bass section of the crossover isn't even connected as the bass drivers are driven active from their own amp.
ok, but excluding the bass region the ESA is warmer then mundorf supreme standard, right ?
Bigman80
29-05-2017, 14:41
I thought the mundorfs were warmer than the ESA. The ESA didnt have quite the "thump" in the bass as the mundorfs tho. What fun!!!
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i apologize with you, but to me sound very strange that mundorf are warmer then claritycap: mundorf are great caps but on bright side :)
fatmarley
29-05-2017, 23:23
As coupling caps in my Onix oa21 amp (all 4.7uf) - Jantzen z superior were a bit soft but nicely detailed. Mundorf Supreme, detailed but can be bright In the wrong system. I think It's because they are very revealing and not because they are harsh (with 4-pole caps In the power supply they didn't sound bright at all, but the bass was very loose). I sold my Mundorf silver/Gold/Oil because they were a bit dark In the midrange and the highs seemed artificial (possibly caused by the dull midrange).
Bigman80
30-05-2017, 00:28
i apologize with you, but to me sound very strange that mundorf are warmer then claritycap: mundorf are great caps but on bright side :)
No need to apologise TA. Every application yields different results!
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As coupling caps in my Onix oa21 amp (all 4.7uf) - Jantzen z superior were a bit soft but nicely detailed. Mundorf Supreme, detailed but can be bright In the wrong system. I think It's because they are very revealing and not because they are harsh (with 4-pole caps In the power supply they didn't sound bright at all, but the bass was very loose).
excuse me but i don't understand if in the first part of your message are are referring to mundorf supreme standard or S.G.O. :)
...and when you write that bass was very loose you mean that the bass of mundorf supreme (standard?) are a bit weak then others or is less controlled ?
I sold my Mundorf silver/Gold/Oil because they were a bit dark In the midrange and the highs seemed artificial (possibly caused by the dull midrange).
please explain artificial: emphasis in high registers and recessed midrange ?
fatmarley
30-05-2017, 08:18
excuse me but i don't understand if in the first part of your message are are referring to mundorf supreme standard or S.G.O. :)
...and when you write that bass was very loose you mean that the bass of mundorf supreme (standard?) are a bit weak then others or is less controlled ?
loose bass was caused by 4-pole caps, not any of the film caps. I don't know If It was because I had them attached to flying leads or just how they sound.
emphasis in high registers and recessed midrange ?
Yes
emphasis in high registers and recessed midrange ?
Yes
so is exact say that more neutral cap like ESA has more full bodied sound reproducion ?
To be honest, I think you are trying to apply (or expecting) rather too specific characteristics to these different capacitors rather than a more 'broad brush' approach.
If one were to use Mundorf SGO for bass crossover duties (in fact any duty) it would be a really significant cost. To do my own crossovers would be into the thousands of pounds.
For fun I will cost it out :).
OK, here are the costings:
To do both crossovers fully in Mundorf Supreme would cost £694.51. To do the same in Mundorf SGO would cost £3961.03
These prices are just for the required capacitors.
Lol... most expensive xovers in history
hi all,
i love claritycap sound, so i have for my crossover claritycap MR.
how i'm very instrested to the new line CMR that seems to be better than MR.
do you tried this new claritycap CMR ?
thank in advance;)
this is my first message....
The Black Adder
30-05-2017, 11:12
Mine cost, ahem... A lot. But it was fun to experiment. Happy with them now though. 😁
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Lol... most expensive xovers in history
Not at all ;) - to do the in Duelund Caps (these are the ones shown in TAS' avatar) would cost far, far more.
The Black Adder
30-05-2017, 13:04
A full Duelund set of crossovers (as in TAS's Avatar) for mine (done right) would probably be around the £10K mark.
mmhhh...duelund :hairmetal: https://2ch.hk/mg/thumb/240900/14524570743990s.jpg
A full Duelund set of crossovers (as in TAS's Avatar) for mine (done right) would probably be around the £10K mark.
As a bit of fun this is the cost of doing mine (just the capacitors) if it was all in Duelund CAST = best sit down....
£15,901.82
However, the bass leg alone is £10,631.54 for a pair. Bearing in mind the bass drivers are now powered actively I would only need mid and tweeter legs which come to £5,270.28 for a stereo set....
Boutique caps really are appalling value for money.
Can think of better ways of using it
The Black Adder
30-05-2017, 18:14
More music... :)
Hi Moore (unusual name for an Italian, or maybe you're not) :)
I haven't tried the CMRs, but I have done the MRs (blue ones), which are superb. However, if you'd like an alternative recommendation, which IMO are even better than the SRs (as I've used then with great success recently in speaker crossovers), I'd thoroughly recommend the Jantzen Silver Gold Z-Caps:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/i22LM8.jpg
The have a lovely 'liquid' sound, coupled with the top-end detail and 'sparkle' that Clarity Caps bring to the party. If you like a musical sound, but also one that is wide-open and revealing, then the Jantzens will hit the spot :cool:
Full details here, available from Hi-Fi Collective: https://www.hificollective.co.uk/components/jantzen-silvergold-zcap.html
Marco.
hi marco,
i don't like jantzen silver and silver/gold, they are toooooo much revelating, i prefer a warmer cap.
so, did you compared other caps versus jantzen silver/gold or others ?... mundorf ?
about your point of view are claritycap warmer than mundorf ?
Hi Moore,
No worries... The Jantzens are revealing, but they're not bright sounding. I like revealing (read as neutral sounding) components, as they let you hear what the circuit is doing. I prefer that to using caps, or indeed any components, as tone controls :)
The MRs are the best ones I've heard from Clarity Cap, which were compared against all their products further down the range, and also Ansar Supersound. In terms of Duelund, I used their little 'cigar-shaped' resistors in the crossovers for my Tannoys, which are superb!
Marco.
"SRs" ?, i don't understand
Sorry, I meant Clarity Cap MR (not SR - will amend): https://www.hificollective.co.uk/components/claritycap_mr.html
I've used those before, which are superb, but for me, the Jantzens are even better!
Marco.
:)
in what jantzen silver/gold are better ?
They offer more of an 'open window' on the music, to my ears. I like components that have the least discernible sonic signature, and sound the most like having 'no component', if you know what I mean? :)
Marco.
yes i know what you mean.
so you could say that mr are a bit warmer than jantzen silver/gold ?
Kind of, but I try not to talk of hi-fi in terms of 'warm' or 'cold'. For me, it's all about the music, and revealing exactly what should be on recordings, with minimal influence from the electronics :)
Marco.
Thanks for your contribution to the discussion, i hope somebody else has tried or tring the CMR...or at least claritycap products compared to mundorf for exmaple :)
No problem. I've also used Mundorf (M-CAP Supremes), I should've mentioned that. The Mundorfs are also very good indeed. In speaker applications, I'd say they shade it over the MRs, but the Jantzens, for me, are still the best I've heard so far, unless you're seeking to 'tailor' the sound in some way.
Marco.
so for you mundorf supreme standard are better than MR ?, excuse me but i don't understand
The Silver/Golds... "Better" is of course subjective, and in loudspeaker applications, also highly dependent on the inherent sonic characteristics of the drivers, in terms of achieving synergy. Therefore, in that respect, it's almost impossible to ascertain whether my "better" is your "better" ;)
All I can do is describe what I've heard in my experience, and hope that you can glean something useful from that.
Marco.
The Black Adder
31-05-2017, 08:20
In my XO's I've also used Jensen PIO's (alloy cased)... they are magnificent.
So far I've experimented with most but for bass and clarity I would go for:
HF: Duelund cast, MR (or CMR) in HF,
MID: ESA, MR, Mundorf Silver & Gold PIO's, Aluminum PIO, or Jensen PIO's
LF: SA, ESA, MR. Also the cheap SCR's are also excellent value.
In the HF, the Duelund casts were nice but to be honest, for the money MR's, CMR's are a no brainer. Duelund caps are more 'show-off' as the MR's and CMR's IMO are just as good.
I also found (as Marco previously did) that resistors do add the strawberry to the top so I use the Duelund graphite (pencils) resistors (normal and Cast versions). Path and Mills resistors are also very good indeed. Duelunds are one of those little treats if your pocket is deep enough.
As far as inductor coils go, it's Mundorf all the way utilising both foil and conventional type with the baked wire method.
There, got my geekness out on this fine Wednesday morn. :)
Jantzen do a terrific range of coils (of all types and are baked as standard (not an extra cost option as with Mundorf). You see the Jantzen coils in many high end speaker crossovers and you can custom order specific values.
In commercial speakers, even very high end ones, you rarely see above ClarityCap ESA and even those that boast Mundorf components usually use the lower range parts. If a speaker does use the ultra expensive Duelund components they always cost vast sums and always use very simple first order crossovers (i.e. Not many actual components).
Jantzen do a terrific range of coils (of all types and are baked as standard (not an extra cost option as with Mundorf). You see the Jantzen coils in many high end speaker crossovers and you can custom order specific values.
yes you are right!, the quality of jantzen coil is huge!
also, jantzen bake all its coil also the economic ones, mundorf no and have very extra cost (maybe for name hystory)
The Black Adder
31-05-2017, 09:07
I've only used Jantzen on LF. Very good, no real difference between mundorf, but then I doubt there would be on the LF anyway.
The physical size was good too.
what jantzen hve you used ?, the black one or blue one ?
The Black Adder
31-05-2017, 09:29
Here are mine from a while ago.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4246/34844552892_43b363dd90_o.jpg
I can't find the Tannoyista website so I guess you aren't making these any more?
The Black Adder
31-05-2017, 14:44
Nah.. Not got the time anymore. Kids... Lol
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A couple of people contacted me wanting NS-1000M crossovers but they had completely failed to appreciate the cost of building these things.
Whilst messing around using cheap Monacor caps and resistors in my otherwise ESA and flat pack resistor crossovers, I found that my valve amps actually really seemed to like them.
However, they sounded shite via the Accuphase M-60.
Really curious, and it just shows there aren't really any rules.
The ESAs were all still in I was just modifying the circuit using a circuit simulator. Still needs a bit of work on values TBH. Can't be arsed and haven't been arsed for a while now. I will get round to it though.
oceanobsession
02-06-2017, 17:04
Interesting thread , i have tried a 4.7 uf clarity cap mr for the tweeter, and replaced it for a jantsen silver z cap , which was a bit more sharply etched
and gave me what i wanted , i also tried the jantsen silver z 4.7uf in my nick Gorham phono stage and it was awfull sounding , it needed to be more
warm and smooth , i had clarity cap sa in there before which suited it better , i think its all about what you are trying to achieve , i have clarity cap esa
for the midrange in my crossovers 4x22uf so can be expensive , i have thought about changing these but decided to keep them thinking that they are
at the end of the audio chain and unlikely to hear any difference, i don't think its worth spending to much on the bass cap , phil.
thank you
excuse me but don't understand in what differs MR to Z_Silver
which is the warmer of the two
Why such focus on 'warmth', Moore? Does your system or speakers sound bright, and so you're trying to compensate by using 'warm' capacitors?
If so, there are better and more effective ways of addressing that problem! ;)
Marco.
oceanobsession
02-06-2017, 22:17
clarity cap Mr is the warmer one , phil.
thank you phil :)
so the MR is also "more full bodied" then Jantzen Z-Silver ?
fatmarley
11-06-2017, 19:19
Tony has finished the review of the Clarity Cap CMR - LINK (http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/Cap.html)
seem that new CMR it on neutral side insted MR that could be less correct but more flavor.
so is a question of choice.
i hope someone will try CMR and post his impression :)
Why don't you try it and post your findings?
my money are not so good:doh:
:)
To be honest TAS, when I look at the components that make up your system I think there are better ways you could be spending the cost of boutique crossover components.
i respect your wrong point of you.
did you listesn or compared my "non quality" components ?
surely no!
bye bye!
I didn't write 'non quality' you did. However, I do know that if you are using a £200 CD player it's a poor use of funds to spend hundreds on crossover components (particularly if your "money are not so good").
Bye.
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