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Nickfna
25-05-2017, 19:44
Help needed chaps.

Apart from pivot to spindle distance, what other figures do I enter
For a mission 774.
For the life of me I can't get the effective length of 229mm as in the
Manual.

Cheers
Nick.

337alant
26-05-2017, 01:43
Vinyl Engine database
https://www.vinylengine.com/tonearm_database.php?make=Mission&mdl=774&sort=2&eflo=&efhi=&ascdesc=ASC&mdlo=&mdhi=&ohlo=&ohhi=&search=search&amlo=&amhi=&cw=&mp=
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/mission/774-(original).shtml


Alan

karma67
26-05-2017, 05:35
Help needed chaps.

Apart from pivot to spindle distance, what other figures do I enter
For a mission 774.
For the life of me I can't get the effective length of 229mm as in the
Manual.

Cheers
Nick.

thats all you need to do isn't it?
i also click on the IEC tab as well.
hope that helps.

phonomac
26-05-2017, 07:42
There is clearly an error in the manual for the 774.

If the effective length is 229mm, and the pivot-to-spindle is 215.4 as shown on the sketch in the manual, then the overhang is only 13.6mm, well less than that for a Stevenson alignment.

If you assume that the offset angle is 23.5 deg, about right for Lofgren A on a 229mm arm, then a pivot-to-spindle of 215.4 gives you one null point at about 140mm radius, and a distortion peak of 2.5%.

It will be worth trying to measure the offset angle (I can't find it specified anywhere), and then look at alignments with that offset and 215.4mm pivot-to-spindle.

Hope this helps.

regards

Angus

Nickfna
26-05-2017, 08:53
Thanks for the replies guys.

Tried your suggestion Jamie, the best i can get is the Stevenson A settings which give
the effective length as 231.258 and an overhang of 15.858.

Don't know if there is an error in the manual Angus, but it's bloody frustrating.:confused:

karma67
26-05-2017, 09:32
why not just go with the 215.4 mounting distance that seems to be right judging by the web and move the arm back or forth to get your alignment dialed in,in my way of thinking the effective length will be different depending on what cartridge you use so it cant be set in stone,the mounting distance however is.

Nickfna
27-05-2017, 10:06
Just found this

http://www.hifisentralen.no/forumet/vinylavdelingen/68790-alternativ-protractor-mission-774-original.html

These measurements are the same settings as what you advised Jamie, cheers :)

Ali Tait
27-05-2017, 10:21
You could also try this-

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=33537

karma67
27-05-2017, 10:24
where's all the 774 boys when you need them?
their quick enough to shout my arms the best in the world,a technical question is asked and their no where to be seen!

disclaimer,the above is in jest!

Ali Tait
27-05-2017, 10:26
LOL just did!

karma67
27-05-2017, 10:27
well what do you mount your arm at then! :)

Ali Tait
27-05-2017, 10:28
Nick, don't know if you've seen these, mounting distance is then the same as a 312-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MISSION-774-tonearm-wand-12-upgrade-from-XAD-stiffer-and-higher-mass-/111931828252?hash=item1a0fa8281c:g:oR0AAOSwwpdW4aS b

karma67
27-05-2017, 10:29
nick,if you pm me your email address i will send you an alignment template if you need one.

Nickfna
27-05-2017, 11:13
nick,if you pm me your email address i will send you an alignment template if you need one.

PM sent Jamie.
Cheers

Nickfna
27-05-2017, 11:59
You could also try this-

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=33537

Well that's just confused me even more, thanks tho.

Are you also saying I could use a 12" wand and not have to change the
mounting distance? Am using the tonearm on a Tosh sr370 by the way.

Cheers
Nick.