I Have No Sympathy!

[walpurgis]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/hunter-crushed-to-death-falling-elephant-hwange-national-park-zimbabwe-gwai-a7748231.html

[southall-1998]

Justice!!

S.

[Dynamics]

But wouldn't you consider this a conservational thing at the same time as bringing money to the area. Do people see beyond the headline 'man poses with dead tiger- horrific' ?

BASC - British association of shooting and conservation. In the uk.

[Arkless Electronics]

Good!

[Arkless Electronics]

But wouldn't you consider this a conservational thing at the same time as bringing money to the area. Do people see beyond the headline 'man poses with dead tiger- horrific' ?

BASC - British association of shooting and conservation. In the uk.

Never in a million years! It seems you're conservation opinions are as septic as your political ones.

[struth]

Although S Africa has too many Elephants I am not keen on safari type groups getting their kicks from murder

[Dynamics]

Never in a million years! It seems you're conservation opinions are as septic as your political ones.

Why do you think that Jez. Am interested to know.

[Arkless Electronics]

Why do you think that Jez. Am interested to know.

As ad hominem is not allowed I have nothing to add.

[Spectral Morn]

Jez, Dynamics - stop, no more.

[Dynamics]

Although S Africa has too many Elephants I am not keen on safari type groups getting their kicks from murder

I'd agree with you Grant if they are getting their kicks from murder it's in poor taste. But I'm smart enough to realise this is a media generalisation and idea, because what allows hunting to happen is the conservation side of things.

But I would personally find the idea of posing with a dead animal unpalatable, for me at least, because I don't understand the emotions around posing for a picture. But this doesn't mean they are not respectful of the animal and that the person killing an animal has a huge element of respect for killing that animal. You do when you kill an animal and I've seen this of all people I know who have hunted.

But I've shot foxes, rabbits and pidgeons to help control and I've eaten the rabbits and pidgeons ive shot. I just go clay shooting now. But comes with this is a feeling of responsibility and huge respect of the animal. People associate the idea the person is happy in these media photos, as taking joy of killing an animal. And if these people actually asked themselves the question, how does it assist the species in a positive way, they should have a different view regardless of how the photo appears and what one conjures up in emotions that the photo says.

[Marco]

Never in a million years! It seems you're conservation opinions are as septic as your political ones.

That's out of order, Jez. You're lucky that Simon has taken the remark so well. And that's allowing for the fact that my political views are much more in line with yours than his...!!

However, you cannot speak to people that way, so if you're unable to be nice to someone, then ignore the person concerned and say nothing. Furthermore, if they annoy you that much, then that's what the ignore function is for ;)

Marco.

[Dynamics]

No I don't think it is out of order unto itself. It's not offensive. It's a view he thinks my views are septic. You can say that.

But what I would question is when a person says this, you'd think they'd give a reason why, or the other person is thinking why are they not doing so. Also if you take part, why you don't say. If you don't take part, don't post.

I'm sorry if you take offence, we should be able to have a debate and be friendly about it. I don't know a huge amount about conservation anymore although I did study biology 20 years ago at university and I'm pretty sure my views are still consistent. But conceivably I'm wrong on certain things about hunting which may be too much of commercial interest. I'm sure that does happen.

[Marco]

No I don't think it is out of order unto itself. It's not offensive. It's a view he thinks my views are septic. You can say that.


That's fair enough, and I'm glad you're being so reasonable, but the point is, ultimately the mods and I decide what can be said here and what can't - and that isn't up for debate! ;)

Marco.

[Arkless Electronics]

That's out of order, Jez. You're lucky that Simon has taken the remark so well. And that's allowing for the fact that my political views are much more in line with yours than his...!!

However, you cannot speak to people that way, so if you're unable to be nice to someone, then ignore the person concerned and say nothing. Furthermore, if they annoy you that much, then that's what the ignore function is for ;)

Marco.

Sorry Marco. Some things really make me angry. Right wing political beliefs and people shooting defenceless animals (they seem to go together) being two of them ;)

[Marco]

And we are in *entire agreement* on that matter. Apology accepted. Just try and rein-in the anger in future ;)

Marco.

[Dynamics]

some information on rhino conservation, and how legal shooting has been found to go hand in hand with conservation. I could find hundreds of articles with the BASC.

There are considerable studies on population biology and inhabitation that show species have a maximum in a habitat, so it's not a case of shooting defenceless animals and it has nothing to do with a political agenda. In fact to be a conservationist you don't need a political persuasion unsurprisingly.

And anyway I'm not right wing, I'm someone who believes in society and certain elements of labour policy. I'm appalled at how the conservatives are cutting some spending and I am appalled at how disgracefully laws under conservative governments like corruption of police etc, don't get dealt with. The case of the Asperger man who was criminalised for a fake bomb is quite appalling. It wasn't actually a bomb which would go off. He just got 15 years because society doesn't supervise or look over him. So I'm definitely not right wing through and through. I've decided not to vote for anyone anyway. My conservative mp is Nicholas Soames, a grotesque man.

http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2014/01/can-trophy-hunting-reconciled-conservation/

[TazSob]

Karma and I have no sympathy for him, although in do feel sorry for his kids

[walpurgis]

But comes with this is a feeling of responsibility and huge respect of the animal.

Not sure I can reconcile "huge respect" of an animal with shooting it dead.

[Dynamics]

Not sure I can reconcile "huge respect" of an animal with shooting it dead.


Because you are killing the animal for the propagation of the species and the conservation of the species, to maintain numbers of a species in its population. Not some kind of warped messed up media thinking you get a kick out of it. So you kill the animal in the recognition of that. That's why so many tribal hunting communities kill and have ceremonies with animals because they are a source of food too.

Layman don't understand this because they see killing an animal as reducing its number with no understanding of ecology, population genetics etc.