Sansui PM series speakers?

[dantheman91]

Hello Guys

I was given exclusive access all areas in a local charity and they have a pair of Sansui PM speakers waiting to be tested and put on the shop floor - dont have the number but their quite large - is this series any good - knowing some charity's are getting greedy im not sure i want to know their price as was told most stock goes to ebay...:scratch::)

Thoughts welcome...

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[Sherwood]

I don't think charity shops are "getting more greedy". I think that they are under intense pressure to raise funds in a difficult economic climate. They are undoubtedly becoming more market savvy and taking steps to properly assess the market value of goods donated to them. As somebody who periodically donates to these shops I want them to raise as much from my items as they can. I am sure that most people who buy from these shops do so, at least in part, because they support the aims of the respective charity and not only because they hope to discover an underpriced gem. Sometimes when I drop items off I have a browse in the books and audio sections. My local Barnado's has a section for old vinyl with prices starting at £2. Most of these lps are awful easy listening stuff in a terrible state and will never sell even at that price. However, I guess that any good stuff is probably snapped up instantly by those who visit more frequently. On more than one occasion I have suggested to staff that they are underpricing some books, lps or cds, though I don't think they have ever acted upon my advice. I can understand why they list stuff on ebay though it is a real shame that there are not more "social outlets" for quality goods!

Geoff

[dantheman91]

I don't think charity shops are "getting more greedy". I think that they are under intense pressure to raise funds in a difficult economic climate. They are undoubtedly becoming more market savvy and taking steps to properly assess the market value of goods donated to them. As somebody who periodically donates to these shops I want them to raise as much from my items as they can. I am sure that most people who buy from these shops do so, at least in part, because they support the aims of the respective charity and not only because they hope to discover an underpriced gem. Sometimes when I drop items off I have a browse in the books and audio sections. My local Barnado's has a section for old vinyl with prices starting at £2. Most of these lps are awful easy listening stuff in a terrible state and will never sell even at that price. However, I guess that any good stuff is probably snapped up instantly by those who visit more frequently. On more than one occasion I have suggested to staff that they are underpricing some books, lps or cds, though I don't think they have ever acted upon my advice. I can understand why they list stuff on ebay though it is a real shame that there are not more "social outlets" for quality goods!

Geoff

Point Taken - but its not how it used to be.....now something of value its straight to ebay or look in the completed listings to see what the last item went for...dont get me wrong im happy to give the money but some are silly pricing to the highest. PS the thread is about speakers and are they worth bothering with am stating how i feel they go about things...:)

[Sherwood]

Point Taken - but its not how it used to be.....now something of value its straight to ebay or look in the completed listings to see what the last item went for...dont get me wrong im happy to give the money but some are silly pricing to the highest. PS the thread is about speakers and are they worth bothering with am stating how i feel they go about things...:)

My point was not meant as a personal criticism but rather an empirical observation. Yes, in the past, many charities grossly underpriced donated items. You only have to look at programmes like the Antiques Roadshow to find examples where somebody paid 50p for an item in a charity shop suspecting it to be more valuable and then having it valued at £500 or more. I suspect that another reason that many charity stores are using ebay relates to health and safety laws. A fews years back I was heading off for another long term overseas assignments and had a number of surplus electrical/electronics items. Despite them being in excellent condition, many charity shops turned them down because their policy was not to sell "untested" electricals. I eventually found a mental health charity that took them because had a deal with a local electronics shop to sell them on.

As for the Sansui Speakers, a university colleague had a pair that looked very similar to these in the mid 1980s and may have been that model. They were very listenable but if I recall correctly were not the most detailed design. They were certainly inferior to another friend's somewhat smaller Tannoys!

Geoff

[dantheman91]

My point was not meant as a personal criticism but rather an empirical observation. Yes, in the past, many charities grossly underpriced donated items. You only have to look at programmes like the Antiques Roadshow to find examples where somebody paid 50p for an item in a charity shop suspecting it to be more valuable and then having it valued at £500 or more. I suspect that another reason that many charity stores are using ebay relates to health and safety laws. A fews years back I was heading off for another long term overseas assignments and had a number of surplus electrical/electronics items. Despite them being in excellent condition, many charity shops turned them down because their policy was not to sell "untested" electricals. I eventually found a mental health charity that took them because had a deal with a local electronics shop to sell them on.

As for the Sansui Speakers, a university colleague had a pair that looked very similar to these in the mid 1980s and may have been that model. They were very listenable but if I recall correctly were not the most detailed design. They were certainly inferior to another friend's somewhat smaller Tannoys!

Geoff

:)

[Martyn Miles]

Do Forum members 'rate' Japanese speakers ?
I know they are/were popular with some people.
I once owned a pair of Sony SS1000s, which were actually B & W DM1s.
Japanese speakers were more popular in the States, I recall.

[walpurgis]

The Yamaha NS-1000 is eternally popular, but there have been some lovely speakers from Sansui, Technics and Pioneer etc.

[Bigman80]

In the case of "do forum members rate Japanese speakers?"

Fuck yes ! (Sorry for swearing but im very enthusiastic about it)

Walpurgis recommend a pair of Pioneer CS-77A to me.

They are simply the best speakers ive ever heard. Im not saying they are best speakers on earth im saying I have never heard anything better. The Japs made some excellent speakers but didnt export them. DIATONE for one example made some very high end stuff which I think may have changed the game had they exported them.

Sony made the A5 "La Voce" (?) Which was the first jap speaker to win a French award. Extremely rare though.

I dont know that model but my advice is if they are affordable and not priced to lose you money, give them a go.





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[sumday]

if you pull the pin and the speakers become yours, I suggest you open them up for a looksee.
I would put money on the wiring being painfully thin bellwire.....swap this out for some heavier gauge cable to (slightly) improve the sound.

there will probably be no wadding present too.
adding some....and possibly glueing some thin carpet to the internal walls will smooth the response, yer cheaper Japanese boxes tend to be a bit "shouty".

NIGE.

[Martyn Miles]

In the case of "do forum members rate Japanese speakers?"

Fuck yes ! (Sorry for swearing but im very enthusiastic about it)

Walpurgis recommend a pair of Pioneer CS-77A to me.

They are simply the best speakers ive ever heard. Im not saying they are best speakers on earth im saying I have never heard anything better. The Japs made some excellent speakers but didnt export them. DIATONE for one example made some very high end stuff which I think may have changed the game had they exported them.

Sony made the A5 "La Voce" (?) Which was the first jap speaker to win a French award. Extremely rare though.

I dont know that model but my advice is if they are affordable and not priced to lose you money, give them a go.





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I think the Moderator should do something about expletives on this Forum.

[Bigman80]

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[Macca]

There's no rule about robust use of the vernacular here so I am powerless to act, unless it gets to a Tourette's type situation. :)

In answer to the previous question yes! I like Japanese speakers, or at least most of them I have heard or owned. Disregarding the budget rubbish of course.

Speakers like the Sansuis and the Pioneers already mentioned have a different presentation to something like a BBC design. Different, but equally valid.

[struth]

yup, we dont like excessive swearies, but the occasional slip is acceptable......unless it isnt;) fcuk would have been better... and dont insult folk , folks ta...be gentle with me, Im old

[Bigman80]

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[walpurgis]

I guess it's all down to context really. If it's not intended to offend, where's the harm?

I don't think the occasional 'bollocks' or 'fuck' and the like are going to offend most.

Certainly not me, but who am I to say? I know shit. :)

[Bigman80]

I guess it's all down to context really. If it's not intended to offend, where's the harm?

I don't think the occasional 'bollocks' or 'fuck' and the like are going to offend most.

Certainly not me, but who am I to say? I know shit. :)
Steady Geoff, hahaha

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[Barry]

yup, we dont like excessive swearies, but the occasional slip is acceptable......unless it isnt;) fcuk would have been better... and dont insult folk , folks ta...be gentle with me, Im old

I disagree - if you are going to use expletives don't disguise them by either letter replacement or using some form of dyslexic orthography, in a half-hearted attempt to 'soften' the impact. Spell it like it is. Readers here are not stupid; they will simply read the expletive as it meant to be spelt and form their own conclusions as to the literacy of the poster.

[blackstar]

Snobbery; its only a word. It might even be the right tool for the poster to confirm the strength of their assertion.

[Bigman80]

Snobbery; its only a word. It might even be the right tool for the poster to confirm the strength of their assertion.
Which I why I used it.

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[struth]

I guess it's all down to context really. If it's not intended to offend, where's the harm?

I don't think the occasional 'bollocks' or 'fuck' and the like are going to offend most.

Certainly not me, but who am I to say? I know shit. :)

The swear word wasnt modded to my knowledge.... anyway lets get back on track eh.

[Bigman80]

Defo,

On track comment :

Jap speakers can be bright but I love mine. I found they sound a lot better with the grills on so for me, any jap speakers you buy need to have the grills with them.

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[Sherwood]

I would suggest that the moderators set explicit guidelines on the use of expletives. I am not hugely offended by expletives but I do find it a little irritating when they are used inappropriately!

I occasionally use expletives to comment on events that seriously shock or trouble me (e.g. the actions of Trump or on particularly offensive actions such as the use of gas in Syria). It just seems a little lazy to resort to expletives merely to express a strong appreciation of a nation's speaker output (no pun intended).

There are enough words in the English language to express hyperbole rather than the overused expletives often resorted to out of laziness or limited powers of expression!

Geoff

[struth]

there is in the ethos, although it could do with updating a bit tbh. Like folk to use good judgement re it. your not kids ;) but don't want folk just insulting other users either. it doesn,t help your case, and if something is said about you then complain to a mod who will look at it and make a decision. then that it... saves pages of ping pong, deletions and recriminations.:)

[walpurgis]

Explicit quidelines about swearing are not required. Most folk are not too bothered by it in moderation. There is no preponderance of 'bad language' here. If it becomes excessive (which it doesn't), no doubt it will be moderated.

Deliberate causing of offence or antagonisation are another matter and not tolerated.

[Arkless Electronics]

People who are offended by expletives are themselves offensive IMHO. I find them so anyway. Excessive use is to be discouraged though as it robs this important part of the language of its power and meaning.

[Macca]

Defo,

On track comment :

Jap speakers can be bright but I love mine. I found they sound a lot better with the grills on so for me, any jap speakers you buy need to have the grills with them.

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That's what the level controls are for. Had to adjust them on my Akais at MiBO as it was way too mid-toppy - first time I had needed to use them.

[Bigman80]

That's what the level controls are for. Had to adjust them on my Akais at MiBO as it was way too mid-toppy - first time I had needed to use them.
I have lowered the highs and mids but still sounded a bit toppy. Much better with the grills on.

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[struth]

never had any quality Jap speakers alas. Look good and heard a set of Sonys I loved.(think some were sold here not that long ago) never will now but glad some folk are keeping them alive.

[Sherwood]

People who are offended by expletives are themselves offensive IMHO. I find them so anyway. Excessive use is to be discouraged though as it robs this important part of the language of its power and meaning.

Exactly, save it for when there is no sufficiently strong or precise alternative!

Geoff

[Macca]

A lot depends on the kit you are using them with, don't ask me why because I don't see how there can be such big variations in the balance between carts and phonostages and so forth but there are. Room will affect it as well, mine is pretty well damped.

These sort of speakers don't go low with any sort of power behind them so that in itself will give a toppy balance. That was why I used mine sat on the floor, to much complaint and criticism ;)

[Bigman80]

A lot depends on the kit you are using them with, don't ask me why because I don't see how there can be such big variations in the balance between carts and phonostages and so forth but there are. Room will affect it as well, mine is pretty well damped.

These sort of speakers don't go low with any sort of power behind them so that in itself will give a toppy balance. That was why I used mine sat on the floor, to much complaint and criticism ;)
Haha, these actually do go low but as you say, when the volume goes up they can start to sound a bit hard. I haven't noticed and loss of bass since they've been on the stands. Very very nice at normal volume levels though.

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[Hudz]

I have lowered the highs and mids but still sounded a bit toppy. Much better with the grills on.

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If you've got any other speaker cable to hand give it a whirl as IMO Fisual Hollywood can take your fillings out with bright speakers. Lovely cable when you need a treble lift but it sounds like you have more than enough already.
Lovely looking speakers by the way.

[Bigman80]

If you've got any other speaker cable to hand give it a whirl as IMO Fisual Hollywood can take your fillings out with bright speakers. Lovely cable when you need a treble lift but it sounds like you have more than enough already.
Lovely looking speakers by the way.
Thanks Hudz, it quite funny you said that because I have been looking at different cable due to the reviews.

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[Macca]

I had to use mine out in free space, had to get some boundary reinforcement somewhere. They are supposed to be bookshelf speakers so want to be close to a wall ideally. Akai claim response down to 20Hz but I don't reckon they stay flat much below 100 Hz and suspect your Pioneers are similar, just the nature of that design. Only really a problem with recordings with proper deep bass effects that are almost missed entirely. I found them perfect for hip-hop, they nail that overdriven 'gangsta-style' mid bass sound.

[Roy S]

Thanks Hudz, it quite funny you said that because I have been looking at different cable due to the reviews.

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Try 'Talk 3' if you get chance

[Bigman80]

Try 'Talk 3' if you get chance
Thanks Roy, I will have a look.

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[sumday]

I would remove the mid driver on any Japanese speaker that passed my way and have a looksee.
I owned a pair of midpriced sansui speakers in the 80s...forget the mod number, they had the classic carved wood grilles....these had strange noises coming from the mids at hige levels.
upon opening them up I noticed there was no dedicated tunnel for said midrange....just the application of felt strips across the driver basket, in a attempt to lower excessive overpressure from the bass driver.

my solution was to glue in a dedicated damped subenclosue....

by pure chance....and a few nights faffing about I found the erm...perfectly sized item....marvel dried milk tins damped with carpet underlay and a fistful of wadding.

NIGE.

[Macca]

Agree. If punting on some kabuki speakers aim for the top of the range stuff. There are a lot of lower models that look similar but are just budget tat.

Not much demand for them in the UK so you are not looking at paying much for the good ones.

[Bigman80]

KABUKI ! Mmmm

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[Macca]

I don't use it disparagingly although some do. I just like the word. I'd take my Akais or your Pioneers over any UK best buy budget box at the same money or more.

[Bigman80]

I don't use it disparagingly although some do. I just like the word. I'd take my Akais or your Pioneers over any UK best buy budget box at the same money or more.
Definitely. They've beaten everything ive had or heard.

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[Dr Henry Jones]

ndeed the japs have stuff we have never seen. Onkio made some very impressive horns over the years .........We never see them.
I believe many of the big names in Japan have made hifi that would have us stunned, not Japanese but what about Samsung ? I have seen a very high end cd and dac set up with a pre and mono block amp set up driving a pair of there own loudspeakers that were very much like a pair of high end wilsons. ....The sound? extremely impressive . So as much as most Japanese speakers sound awful through to ok, there are some that are very accomplished indeed . The Japanese know what a great speaker sounds like. .........look at the amount of tannoys that end up over there ! Give them a go Dan but not unless the are cheap . Cheers steve