My Ram 400 stil sound great

[Audio Al]

I have owned these for some time now and they still put a smile on my boat race every time I fire them up :D
Donkeys years old now , Ram a long gone company built them in a joint affair with Falcon Acoustics ( Still trading )

They do look dated , Do I care NO its the sound that counts :eyebrows:


Trying a CD ( compromised disc ) :lol:
Sony 770ES Amp
Technics SL P1200B player

19832

Click the image and it gets BIGGER :eek:

[CornishPasty]

Not familiar with those Al. The heads remind me of a pair of Kefs I once owned.

[farflungstar]

Yes, the heads are very similar to the awesome R107's I used to own.

[JohnJo]

Dated???

I think they look awesome :D

[Beobloke]

Funny looking things, if you ask me. I bet they don't sound very good as they contain strange cheap drivers that no-one has ever heard of.

I reckon you'd be better off getting rid of them, Al and, as I'm such a nice bloke, I'll drive to yours and take them away to the dump for you. :D

[Audio Al]

Fanks Adam

My details are

Mr A P Ness
The Flaccid Cock Inn
Tillit
Herts

:ner:

[Marco]

I have owned these for some time now and they still put a smile on my boat race every time I fire them up :D
Donkeys years old now , Ram a long gone company built them in a joint affair with Falcon Acoustics ( Still trading )

They do look dated , Do I care NO its the sound that counts :eyebrows:


Trying a CD ( compromised disc ) :lol:
Sony 770ES Amp
Technics SL P1200B player

19832

Click the image and it gets BIGGER :eek:

The top parts remind me somewhat of KEF Maidstones... RAM are true classics, and rightly should sound fantastic. They don't make 'em like that anymore, that's for sure!

Marco.

[Colinijohnson]

Serious stuff - but my wife would not tolerate the overall view in our lounge


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[Audio Al]

Serious stuff - but my wife would not tolerate the overall view in our lounge


Change the wife ? :)

[Light Dependant Resistor]

Serious stuff - but my wife would not tolerate the overall view in our lounge


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Hi Colin
WAF ( Wife Acceptance Factor ) is one of those difficult moments to face , and why the Man cave- a space of your own is so popular.
Perhaps a few flowers might help, or her favorite CD playing. But at some point you need to make a stand. Best of Luck

[57charles]

They were intended as a rival to the KEF105. They used KEF B139 and an Audax mid and tweeter. Falcon had no input except manufacturing the RAM designed crossover. I remember we loaned RAM a pair of KEF105's to reverse engineer their own version - hence the 400. We had an open evening where customers could hear both the 105 and 400 together switching between the two very interesting comparison. Never felt the bass on the 400 to be successful - the 105 was far superior. The midrange was certainly more pronounced on the 400 without being fatigue inducing. Never did like the top end of thise Audax tweeters although many people did - again more open but not fatigue inducing. Although the 400 sounded more impressive than the 105 on A/B comparisons I couldn't help concluding that the 105 was a better listen overall in the long term. Nevertheless, the 400 was an excellent attempt at a 105 rip off.

[Audio Al]

Interesting , We all have different audio sound requirements , Re the bass these are not lacking at all :)

[Haselsh1]

Look fantastic, do they come in piano black...?

;)

Bloody love the look of that Pro-Ject deck.

[jandl100]

Wow, fantastic, I've not seen those speakers before.

Let's have a proper pic without having to enLARGE it. ;)

http://theartofsound.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=19832&d=1490716446

Yes, a KEF R105 knock-off indeed.
I think they look stunning! :stalks: - I've heard and much liked the 105 and would love to hear the RAMs. Scally18?

[Audio Al]

Look fantastic, do they come in piano black...?

The sides and back are open framed covered in brown cloth

;)

Bloody love the look of that Pro-Ject deck.


I like it as well , Just about to fit a ZYX R100 Yatra cartridge :)

[Audio Al]

Wow, fantastic, I've not seen those speakers before.

Let's have a proper pic without having to enLARGE it. ;)

http://theartofsound.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=19832&d=1490716446

Yes, a KEF R105 knock-off indeed.
I think they look stunning! :stalks: - I've heard and much liked the 105 and would love to hear the RAMs. Scally18?

They were At Scally 14 , Could bring them for Scally 18 :)

[walpurgis]

I like it as well , Just about to fit a ZYX R100 Yatra cartridge :)

That sould be nice Al. :D

[57charles]

I remember RAM proudly announcing at the time that it was the first time that the B139 had been used in a sealed enclosure in a commercially designed speaker. The quality and amount of bass from the contempary KEF 105 comfortably exceeded that from the RAM 400.

[Audio Al]

I remember RAM proudly announcing at the time that it was the first time that the B139 had been used in a sealed enclosure in a commercially designed speaker. The quality and amount of bass from the contempary KEF 105 comfortably exceeded that from the RAM 400.

OK I get it YOU don't like RAM 400s

Thanks

[57charles]

I thought they were a good attempt at a 105 clone and had their own signature. The midrange was more pronounced than the 105 but not fatiguing in any way. I didn't think the bottom end was as good as the 105 and I didn't like that Audax tweeter in any speaker at the time let alone the RAM 400. We sold far more 105's than 400's. More suited to 'pop' music than anything else. They had their followers, it's just that the 105 had more.

[Pharos]

Compared RAMs with KEF 104ABs in the mid 70s - very good I remember.

[jandl100]

They were At Scally 14 , Could bring them for Scally 18 :)

Damn - it's so easy to miss rooms. :doh: I was demming myself, so had to rush round a bit.


OK I get it YOU don't like RAM 400s

Thanks

Our CharlieBoy does go on, doesn't he. :lol:

[57charles]

The RAM200 would have been the model aligned to the KEF104ab. The RAM was 'softer' sounding than the more analytical KEF - the use of a 10" ABR giving the likes of Elton John an almost baritone voice. We sold loads more 200's than 104ab's mainly because of that overblown bass - very impressive in multi speaker demos typical of the day. Of that second generation RAM's, the most impressive was the 100 which utilised the 8" Dalesford in a smaller ported desigb - the bottom end was far more believable. But if you really want some impressive speakers then search out (apart from STL4's), a pair of RAM 1's especially the early production with the Isphon tweeter (the later versions adopting the soft fome Audax of yhe day) and to my ears, took a step backwards in terms of top end resolution.

[57charles]

Hey jandl100, my name is CHARLES not 'Charlieboy' - I take exception to you calling me this - I consider this to be quite rude and condescending - In any case, I've got as much right to comment as anyone else - if you find it boring then simply ignore them - why make the effort to post a comment on them at all?
Marco, I'd appreciate your intervention here before I tell this person what I really think of him.

[jandl100]

Hey jandl100, my name is CHARLES not 'Charlieboy' - I take exception to you calling me this - I consider this to be quite rude and condescending - In any case, I've got as much right to comment as anyone else - if you find it boring then simply ignore them - why make the effort to post a comment on them at all?
Marco, I'd appreciate your intervention here before I tell this person what I really think of him.

Well, I think you are being exceptionally rude on Allen's thread.

Talk about deluging us with your opinions - effectively telling him he is wrong about what he likes.

Once is fine, but you are just raining on his parade.

So :ner: to you.

It is a shame - you clearly have knowledgeable opinions and experience to share. You just need to improve the manner in which you impart your own subjective opinions.

[Audio Al]

OK lads ( gents ) calm down lets get back to :grouphug:

:D

[Marco]

Indeed.. Guys, this is only hi-fi we're discussing, not life or death, so I'm sure that Al is a big enough daftee to handle Charles' honest comments, based on experience, and his constructive criticism about ONE pair of speakers he owns (amongst many), without the need to reach for any razor blades! ;)

Charles, I would apologise on Jerry's behalf for the 'Charlieboy' remark. Although he disagrees with your stance here (which he's perfectly entitled to do), he'd have meant no harm, as it's somewhat of an AoS tradition to refer to folks in that way, by means of a joke, and you've not been here long enough to pick up on that.

Still, you're also perfectly within your rights to consider being referred to in that way as offensive, and I respect that. Therefore I assure you that, from now on, everyone here will address you by your correct name.

Ok, that's it now, folks. Let's get back to discussing the RAMs, where all constructive input, praising or criticising these speakers, is welcome! :cool:

Marco.

[Audio Al]

I still like them and what they do in my systems :ner:

[Marco]

And ultimately, that is ALL that matters, so enjoy! :cool:

Marco.

[Beobloke]

Hey jandl100, my name is CHARLES not 'Charlieboy' - I take exception to you calling me this - I consider this to be quite rude and condescending - In any case, I've got as much right to comment as anyone else - if you find it boring then simply ignore them - why make the effort to post a comment on them at all?
Marco, I'd appreciate your intervention here before I tell this person what I really think of him.

With all due respect, I can't help thinking that if all it takes to offend you is someone calling you "Charlieboy", then perhaps Internet forums are not for you!

[57charles]

Beobloke - if you've got some kind of problem with me on this forum suggest you refer to Marco - otherwise....

[Barry]

With all due respect, I can't help thinking that if all it takes to offend you is someone calling you "Charlieboy", then perhaps Internet forums are not for you!

Referring to Charles as "Charlieboy" is condescending and patronising. You might think this is all part of the rough and tumble and camaraderie here on AoS, but Charles is a relatively new member and doesn't deserve such a tag.

[Audio Al]

Please Lets MOVE ON ;)

[struth]

Referring to Charles as "Charlieboy" is condescending and patronising. You might think this is all part of the rough and tumble and camaraderie here on AoS, but Charles is a relatively new member and doesn't deserve such a tag.

Indeed. Its different with mates but if he wanted to be called charlie he no doubt would have said so

[Beobloke]

Beobloke - if you've got some kind of problem with me on this forum suggest you refer to Marco - otherwise....

Charles, I have absolutely no problem with you at all. I just felt you were over-reacting a little.

However, this is my personal opinion and I appreciate that it differs from yours (and Barry's, apparently!) so I am happy for us to quietly disagree and move on.

[Audio Al]

Call me what you want its all water off a ducks back , I'm thick skinned :ner:

[Macca]

Call me what you want its all water off a ducks back , I'm thick skinned :ner:

Open invitation there lads. Fire at will!

[mr shovel]

Has anyone ever seen/ heard a pair of RAM STL4?

[Beobloke]

Has anyone ever seen/ heard a pair of RAM STL4?

Sadly not - they're something of a mythical beast. I think if Al and I ever happened to stumble across a pair at the same audiojumble, things could get messy! :D

[Audio Al]

Open invitation there lads. Fire at will!

OK you can call me Will ;)

[Audio Al]

Sadly not - they're something of a mythical beast. I think if Al and I ever happened to stumble across a pair at the same audiojumble, things could get messy! :D

2 hits , me hitting you , you hitting the floor :ner:

[57charles]

We took in a pair of STL4's part exchange against some active Meridians. They had 2x 8" Dalesford drivers in a transmission line, a single 8" Daleshord as a midrange and the obligatory Audax soft dome tweeter. They sounded amazing with a thunderous bass and a midrange to die for. They were imposing speakers which demanded a large room. They had a very low WAF even at that time which from memory was around 80/81. Very few were made and I feel somewhat honoured to have seen and heard a pair.

[Audio Al]

I would like a pair please ;)

[mr shovel]

We took in a pair of STL4's part exchange against some active Meridians. They had 2x 8" Dalesford drivers in a transmission line, a single 8" Daleshord as a midrange and the obligatory Audax soft dome tweeter. They sounded amazing with a thunderous bass and a midrange to die for. They were imposing speakers which demanded a large room. They had a very low WAF even at that time which from memory was around 80/81. Very few were made and I feel somewhat honoured to have seen and heard a pair.

Nice! I wonder if there are any still in use?