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shane
04-02-2017, 00:49
It's a familiar problem. There you are, owner of one of the best pickup arms around and you probably only paid a bargain basement couple of hundred quid for it, but the counterweight appears to be held together By a lump of semi-congealed snot. It doesn't appear to affect the sound too much, but it makes accurate setup a nightmare, and it looks frankly revolting.

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3423.JPG

So what to do? Ok, there are plenty of nice people out there who will make you a very nice replacement, but it'll probably cost you getting on for half of what you paid for the whole thing. What's needed is a simple way to replace the bogey with something a bit more wholesome. I've been looking for something suitable for the three years since I got my 774, and now I think I've found it. It was a bit of a shot in the dark, but for a little over eight quid, it had to be worth a punt.

This is where you get it:
https://sugru.com/buy/?gclid=CMaIk5CC9dECFRaeGwodLVUDyQ ,

and this is what you you get:

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3527.JPG


Inside the pack pack you get these:

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3529.JPG

and inside each of those is one of these, which is a bit like a lump of blutack, but not as sticky. And not blue in my case 'cos I preferred black, although there are several different colours available. White would be interesting...

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3531.JPG

By lucky chance, one sachet contains exactly the right amount to do the job in hand. The other two will keep for up to a year if unopened, or longer if you keep them in the fridge. What is it, you ask? A rather clever putty that sticks to almost anything, and sets to become a lump of silicone rubber, rather like the spatula you use to get the last of the cake mixture out of the mixing bowl. It takes about 24 hours to go off, depending on temperature, and it's workable for about half an hour after you open the sachet. This job was easily completed in about ten minutes.

Start off by pulling the centre stem of the counterwight out of the Sorbothane, which won't be difficult, then push the Sorbothane out of the ring with a finger. Clean off any residues with IPA or white spirit, making sure you clean that off as well with a clean cloth. This is what you'll be left with:


http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3525.JPG

By lucky chance, the packing note that comes with the Sugru has a large area of waxy paper where a sticky label has been removed. Open one sachet and start by wrapping the Sugru around the stem of the counterweight, with the edge of the wodge level with the end of the stem away from the knurled finger grip. Then roll the whole thing on the wax paper on a flat surface until you have a cylinder of Sugru wrapped evenly around the stem, very slightly smaller in diameter than the bore of the counterweight ring. You shoul end up with this:

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3533.JPG

Now insert the Sugru-wrapped stem into the counterweight ring, and stand the whole thing on its end on the wax paper with the knurled grip pointing upwards. Push down on the spindle so that it's touching the paper so it looks like this:



http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3534.JPG


Now use something like the tip of a teaspoon handle to press the Sugru down into the assembly so it completely fills the space between the ring and the stem. You'll find that some of it will squeeze through the slits in the stem. Remove this with a cotton bud. Use a Stanley knife blade to trim off the excess and leave a smooth finish to the exposed Sugru.

Leave it standing on the wax wax paper in a warm place to set for 24 hours, then trim off any excess, and clean any residues with a paper towel. Re-install on the arm, and you should have something like this:



http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3541.JPG

Job done. Now all you have to do is think of something to do with the other two sachets. Isolation feet? Cable tidy? Surprise me...

Ali Tait
04-02-2017, 01:12
Lovely jubbly. Or you could have the solid counterweight version. :D

Seriously, nice job.

Firebottle
04-02-2017, 07:13
Brilliant, much better than 'congealed snot' :eyebrows:

Nitrous
04-02-2017, 08:49
It's exactly things like this that make the internet useful. Brilliant fix!

Bigman80
04-02-2017, 15:51
Very good idea. Mine doesn't sag currently but I'm sure it will eventually. Great idea.

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walpurgis
04-02-2017, 16:05
Good idea. It will alter the arm resonance, but that probably won't matter, especially if you use fluid damping.

shane
04-02-2017, 16:38
I haven't noticed any difference in sound yet, although I've yet to do any serious listening. Most people who have used both say there's little difference between the original c/w and the solid one, so I wouldn't expect this to be much different either.

torstoi
08-02-2017, 13:07
Great tip & nice photostory, Shane !
I have a 774 coming my way the moment & from the sellers pictures it looked
quite exactly like it was in need of some cw treatment. :)

uzzy
13-02-2017, 16:03
It's a familiar problem. There you are, owner of one of the best pickup arms around and you probably only paid a bargain basement couple of hundred quid for it, but the counterweight appears to be held together By a lump of semi-congealed snot. It doesn't appear to affect the sound too much, but it makes accurate setup a nightmare, and it looks frankly revolting.

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3423.JPG

So what to do? Ok, there are plenty of nice people out there who will make you a very nice replacement, but it'll probably cost you getting on for half of what you paid for the whole thing. What's needed is a simple way to replace the bogey with something a bit more wholesome. I've been looking for something suitable for the three years since I got my 774, and now I think I've found it. It was a bit of a shot in the dark, but for a little over eight quid, it had to be worth a punt.

This is where you get it:
https://sugru.com/buy/?gclid=CMaIk5CC9dECFRaeGwodLVUDyQ ,

and this is what you you get:

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3527.JPG


Inside the pack pack you get these:

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3529.JPG

and inside each of those is one of these, which is a bit like a lump of blutack, but not as sticky. And not blue in my case 'cos I preferred black, although there are several different colours available. White would be interesting...

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3531.JPG

By lucky chance, one sachet contains exactly the right amount to do the job in hand. The other two will keep for up to a year if unopened, or longer if you keep them in the fridge. What is it, you ask? A rather clever putty that sticks to almost anything, and sets to become a lump of silicone rubber, rather like the spatula you use to get the last of the cake mixture out of the mixing bowl. It takes about 24 hours to go off, depending on temperature, and it's workable for about half an hour after you open the sachet. This job was easily completed in about ten minutes.

Start off by pulling the centre stem of the counterwight out of the Sorbothane, which won't be difficult, then push the Sorbothane out of the ring with a finger. Clean off any residues with IPA or white spirit, making sure you clean that off as well with a clean cloth. This is what you'll be left with:


http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3525.JPG

By lucky chance, the packing note that comes with the Sugru has a large area of waxy paper where a sticky label has been removed. Open one sachet and start by wrapping the Sugru around the stem of the counterweight, with the edge of the wodge level with the end of the stem away from the knurled finger grip. Then roll the whole thing on the wax paper on a flat surface until you have a cylinder of Sugru wrapped evenly around the stem, very slightly smaller in diameter than the bore of the counterweight ring. You shoul end up with this:

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3533.JPG

Now insert the Sugru-wrapped stem into the counterweight ring, and stand the whole thing on its end on the wax paper with the knurled grip pointing upwards. Push down on the spindle so that it's touching the paper so it looks like this:



http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3534.JPG


Now use something like the tip of a teaspoon handle to press the Sugru down into the assembly so it completely fills the space between the ring and the stem. You'll find that some of it will squeeze through the slits in the stem. Remove this with a cotton bud. Use a Stanley knife blade to trim off the excess and leave a smooth finish to the exposed Sugru.

Leave it standing on the wax wax paper in a warm place to set for 24 hours, then trim off any excess, and clean any residues with a paper towel. Re-install on the arm, and you should have something like this:



http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3541.JPG

Job done. Now all you have to do is think of something to do with the other two sachets. Isolation feet? Cable tidy? Surprise me...

I repaired mine with silicon caulk - just fill the void either side of the sorbothane lump and job done

uzzy
13-02-2017, 16:07
I have been trying to attach a pic without success of the repair using silicon caulk - just fill the void either side of the sorbothane .. it solidifies and adheres to the sorbothane and the weight and works a treat

karma67
13-02-2017, 16:56
good idea and you can get it in black too!

shane
07-10-2020, 14:43
Re-posting this with links to photos repaired. (I see that a pack of Sugru is now £14 instead of £8. In three years??)

It's a familiar problem. There you are, owner of one of the best pickup arms around and you probably only paid a bargain basement couple of hundred quid for it, but the counterweight appears to be held together By a lump of semi-congealed snot. It doesn't appear to affect the sound too much, but it makes accurate setup a nightmare, and it looks frankly revolting.

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3423.JPG

So what to do? Ok, there are plenty of nice people out there who will make you a very nice replacement, but it'll probably cost you getting on for half of what you paid for the whole thing. What's needed is a simple way to replace the bogey with something a bit more wholesome. I've been looking for something suitable for the three years since I got my 774, and now I think I've found it. It was a bit of a shot in the dark, but for a little over eight quid, it had to be worth a punt.

This is where you get it:
https://sugru.com/buy/?gclid=CMaIk5CC9dECFRaeGwodLVUDyQ ,

and this is what you you get:

https://i.postimg.cc/xd7kgqt2/32-C61-A0-B-793-E-43-AE-B167-59-A2-C92239-A9.jpghttps://postimg.cc/SX6NxSBT[IMG]http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3527.JPG


Inside the pack pack you get these:

https://i.postimg.cc/qq2CN0cd/9-CFFAD0-B-A837-42-AF-BC02-DC3-C995589-D0.jpg
http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3529.JPG

and inside each of those is one of these, which is a bit like a lump of blutack, but not as sticky. And not blue in my case 'cos I preferred black, although there are several different colours available. White would be interesting...

https://i.postimg.cc/59zz75hk/D826-FEC6-1-DAC-40-EB-A551-F6569025566-B.jpg
http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3531.JPG

By lucky chance, one sachet contains exactly the right amount to do the job in hand. The other two will keep for up to a year if unopened, or longer if you keep them in the fridge. What is it, you ask? A rather clever putty that sticks to almost anything, and sets to become a lump of silicone rubber, rather like the spatula you use to get the last of the cake mixture out of the mixing bowl. It takes about 24 hours to go off, depending on temperature, and it's workable for about half an hour after you open the sachet. This job was easily completed in about ten minutes.

Start off by pulling the centre stem of the counterwight out of the Sorbothane, which won't be difficult, then push the Sorbothane out of the ring with a finger. Clean off any residues with IPA or white spirit, making sure you clean that off as well with a clean cloth. This is what you'll be left with:

https://i.postimg.cc/MTCQZXQD/546-E390-C-C7-C0-42-B4-842-D-51-F6-D8-A1-A713.jpg
http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3525.JPG

By lucky chance, the packing note that comes with the Sugru has a large area of waxy paper where a sticky label has been removed. Open one sachet and start by wrapping the Sugru around the stem of the counterweight, with the edge of the wodge level with the end of the stem away from the knurled finger grip. Then roll the whole thing on the wax paper on a flat surface until you have a cylinder of Sugru wrapped evenly around the stem, very slightly smaller in diameter than the bore of the counterweight ring. You should end up with this:

https://i.postimg.cc/qMd39h0B/3-FF5983-B-89-CD-4726-B19-B-90-F076-D4-FCFE.jpg
http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3533.JPG

Now insert the Sugru-wrapped stem into the counterweight ring, and stand the whole thing on its end on the wax paper with the knurled grip pointing upwards. Push down on the spindle so that it's touching the paper so it looks like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/FsgLmrsy/7380958-D-DABA-4-A09-BE3-C-49509-B220667.jpg

http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3534.JPG
Now use something like the tip of a teaspoon handle to press the Sugru down into the assembly so it completely fills the space between the ring and the stem. You'll find that some of it will squeeze through the slits in the stem. Remove this with a cotton bud. Use a Stanley knife blade to trim off the excess and leave a smooth finish to the exposed Sugru.

Leave it standing on the wax paper in a warm place to set for 24 hours, then trim off any excess and clean any residues with a paper towel. Re-install on the arm, and you should have something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/4d9Y0ZSh/83-BF1-CD6-975-D-4756-81-BA-E78955-D8-B188.jpg
http://www.thepippin.plus.com/774/IMG_3541.JPG

Job done. Now all you have to do is think of something to do with the other two sachets. Isolation feet? Cable tidy? Surprise me...

walpurgis
07-10-2020, 14:58
Yes, it's a good fix. Not had to do it myself as mine have had OK sorbothane isolation, but I have pondered what I'd use.

worrasf
07-10-2020, 15:12
One of the 774 counterweights I have was getting a bit saggy. I took the opportunity to add a bit of mass during the repair by adding 5g of Atabites inside the counterweight then securing with 1g of epoxy adhesive. You just need to wrap the threaded insert with something to prevent the epoxy fouling the threads. Worked a treat - additional mass but retains the looks and damping of the original. I can also recommend the XDA custom counterweight - I bought the 77/102 g to enable me to mount my Paradoxpulse DL-103 - works like a charm

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MisterKevster
11-11-2020, 19:02
.........I took the opportunity to add a bit of mass during the repair by adding 5g of Atabites inside the counterweight then securing with 1g of epoxy adhesive. .........
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Adding the extra mass to the c/w....surely means that one rotation is no longer +/- 0.2g....!!?