View Full Version : Sat-Nav idiocy.... Blindly 'obeying' the machine.
Another pertinent example of technology 'controlling' us: just go where the machine tells you to go, regardless of common sense or road warning signs:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12184564/Lorry-in-Sat-Nav-blunder-crashes-into-Grade-II-listed-Suffolk-cottage-after-dozens-of-accidents-in-same-spot.html
Brain-dead idiots!!! :doh::rolleyes:
Hope they royally fine the driver's ass, and make him/her pay for all the damage.....
Marco.
Damn inconciderate folk building houses in a thoroughfare like that..:doh: what were they thinking
brian2957
28-01-2017, 10:05
It's bad enough blindly following the directions of a Satnav . It's another , though , actually hitting something . This is a house , did the driver have his eyes closed too . Surely he could tell by simply looking that his vehicle wouldn't fit in that space :rolleyes:
Typical melodramatic headline from the media, why do they have to exaggerate everything?
It was hardly a crash.
Next we'll read about people 'plummeting' to a broken ankle in a pothole
For a while we got lots of trucks coming down our street, only to have to reverse all way back again to get out which in its self was incredibly dangerous with parked cars and kids around. Seems to have stopped now, so can only imagine it was a sat nav error.
It's bad enough blindly following the directions of a Satnav . It's another , though , actually hitting something . This is a house , did the driver have his eyes closed too . Surely he could tell by simply looking that his vehicle wouldn't fit in that space :rolleyes:
Yes, but that doesn't matter, Brian, 'computer said yes'!! :doh::mental:
Marco.
Driver on his on his own in unfamiliar part of the world, under deadline pressure, you don't want him reading a map while driving so sat nav is the only option. This seems to have happened multiple times in the same place, simple solution to ban HGV from the route. Local council have not done this probably because it would mean someone there having to do a little work instead of sitting around all day shooting the breeze before going home at three-thirty.
For a while we got lots of trucks coming down our street, only to have to reverse all way back again to get out which in its self was incredibly dangerous with parked cars and kids around. Seems to have stopped now, so can only imagine it was a sat nav error.
Lunacy.... I bet they'd still drive blindly down a road, even if faced with a HUGE sign that read: "Road ahead ends in 200 yards, due to cliff with sheer drop", if the sat-nav said it was ok to proceed!!
I tell you, between sat-navs and 'mobile phones', today's technology is creating breeds of mindless zombies......
Marco.
Driver on his on his own in unfamiliar part of the world, under deadline pressure, you don't want him reading a map while driving so sat nav is the only option.
Yes, but does that prevent him or her from using their *EYES*, brains and common sense? I think not!
Marco.
What I am guessing is that by the time he realises the route is too narrow he is already too far down it to reverse out. So no option but to try and get through.
I used to work for a home delivery company (big tellys, cookers and fridges, mainly) and it was quite often that the delivery was to some cottage at the end of a tiny lane. No way to get the lorry down so driver would abort the delivery. You'd then get the punter on the 'phone kicking off because they want their new range cooker and they want it now. Said punter having ignored the warnings given when ordering regarding access for the delivery vehicle.
Most realised there was an error after turning off main drag and turned at beginning before it becomes too late. Probably 20 a day.. the 4 or 5 that didnt caused chaos.. not talking lorries here, but juggernauts.damaged kerbs, fences etc. Marco knows where i stay and its plainly obvious its not a route to anywhere for arctics
In fairness I am sure a lot of these lorry drivers are distracted by the thought of murdering their next prostitute.
Too busy watching telly and texting.
Stratmangler
28-01-2017, 12:18
I'm with Martin.
The local authority need to get off their fat arses and erect signs.
http://www.ukma.org.uk/sites/default/files/images/09-NokiaNov2007004.jpg
http://www.metric.org.uk/sites/default/files/images/05-length%20restriction.png
Yes, but the point is, how will they see the signs if they're too busy texting and looking at the screens on their sat-navs!! ;)
Common sense also has to come into play, too. When it becomes patently obvious (usually at the very beginning) that the area and subsequent road you're entering is unlikely to be suitable for the vehicle you're driving, then quite simply, DON'T enter it.
In my view, without any doubt, mankind is paying the price for some advances in technology. People certainly aren't becoming cleverer with the advent of sat-navs and smart phones, that's for sure.... The fact is, anything that teaches you to think and use the common sense and instincts you were born with less, is liable to disincline you from using those skills and become lazy, with the inevitable consequences!
For example, how many people today, especially youngsters, can still read and use a map properly?
Marco.
Stratmangler
28-01-2017, 13:26
The point is that excuses along the lines of "I was just following the SatNav" are not valid ones if there are signs to indicate that there is some kind of difficulty ahead.
Truckers who get stuck under low bridges get the full weight of the law thrown at them, because the low bridges are all signposted in the approaches.
They driver will usually get a hefty fine and points on their license, plus all the associated extras such as recovery costs, repair to the damaged bridge, fines for inconvenience caused and disruption to services (most low bridges carry railway lines), and large hikes in insurance prices.
If there's a low bridge on a major route then there will be diversions signed for vehicles that exceed the maximum height permitted.
It should be the same everywhere with width restrictions and length restrictions signposted.
Then there are no excuses.
In this case there is a sign advising that the road is unsuitable for heavy goods vehicles.
I have just been tracking up the lane the HGV was travelling along (Google Earth does have its uses), and the road is unsuitable for HGVs.
The driver should have the full weight of the law thrown at him.
In this case there is a sign advising that the road is unsuitable for heavy goods vehicles.
I have just been tracking up the lane the HGV was travelling along (Google Earth does have its uses), and the road is unsuitable for HGVs.
The driver should have the full weight of the law thrown at him.
Just had a look myself and I agree he is an idiot. There is a sign and the lane is clearly going to be a tight fit right from the off.
Stratmangler
28-01-2017, 16:44
The other thing to bear in mind is that there is such a thing as a truck satnav https://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/sat-nav/truck-sat-nav/
HGV drivers should not be using satnavs intended for car use.
Any truckers found not to be using appropriate satnav devices deserve all the weight of the law throwing at them if they cause an issue.
Audio Al
31-01-2017, 09:45
Marco , Have you ever driven a 44 ton articulated HGV ?
I will ask this question before commenting further ;)
walpurgis
31-01-2017, 10:00
Marco , Have you ever driven a 44 ton articulated HGV ?
I will ask this question before commenting further ;)
There shouldn't be trucks that size on British roads.
montesquieu
31-01-2017, 10:03
We have a low railway bridge tucked under a left turn in our village. It gets hit occasionally but far more regularly the whole village gets brought to a halt by lorries having to turn, on one side this means turning up our hill, a very tight residential road (a traffic island with a lit bollard gets wiped out on a monthly basis by these idiots).
Total plonkers and I agree, if they cause mayhem from using a cheap car sat nav or a phone app they should have the book thrown at them.
Marco , Have you ever driven a 44 ton articulated HGV ?
I will ask this question before commenting further ;)
Lol - what's that got to do with anything? If I did, I can assure you I wouldn't simultaneously lose my eyesight, powers of judgement and common sense overnight! Quite simply, there is no acceptable excuse whatsoever for the sheer idiocy being displayed here by the truck drivers in question.
Geoff's also right. If our roads aren't suitable for such vehicles, then such vehicles shouldn't be allowed on them in the first place - simples!
Marco.
Audio Al
31-01-2017, 10:24
There shouldn't be trucks that size on British roads.
These are on test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uocj309zvYE
:D
Audio Al
31-01-2017, 10:38
Lol - what's that got to do with anything? If I did, I can assure you I wouldn't simultaneously lose my eyesight, powers of judgement and common sense overnight! Quite simply, there is no acceptable excuse whatsoever for the sheer idiocy being displayed here by the truck drivers in question.
Geoff's also right. If our roads aren't suitable for such vehicles, then such vehicles shouldn't be allowed on them in the first place - simples!
Marco.
You are commenting as a car driver , I am a HGV driver of 30 years standing , Go back to the days before sat navs and it was even worse , I have been diverted by the Police down a road that had a low bridge that I could not get under and had to reverse half a mile in the dark before I could turn round ( No signs ) when I got back to where the Police were I told them and they thought it was amusing and said " We better not send any more down then !! "
I have also been sent to an home address with a shipping contained 40 foot long in a residential housing estate , The family were immigrating , The customer wants you at his address , My company want the job done and piggy in the middle is left to sort it out , Talk about stress , Things are not easy for LGV drivers
Our trucks are fitted with Co pilot LGV sat navs and yes even after you enter the length width and height of your vehicle you can still end up in trouble , Road closures , diversions , map updates all play a part , SO NO HGV drivers are not twats more interested in texting :doh:
Some are though. See plenty using phones etc while driving around here. I do agree that companies are in many cases to blame for demanding an employee do something that is dangerous or impossible or be sacked. Alas such is the way our life is as minions
You are commenting as a car driver , I am a HGV driver of 30 years standing , Go back to the days before sat navs and it was even worse , I have been diverted by the Police down a road that had a low bridge that I could not get under and had to reverse half a mile in the dark before I could turn round ( No signs ) when I got back to where the Police were I told them and they thought it was amusing and said " We better not send any more down then !! "
I have also been sent to an home address with a shipping contained 40 foot long in a residential housing estate , The family were immigrating , The customer wants you at his address , My company want the job done and piggy in the middle is left to sort it out , Talk about stress , Things are not easy for LGV drivers
Our trucks are fitted with Co pilot LGV sat navs and yes even after you enter the length width and height of your vehicle you can still end up in trouble , Road closures , diversions , map updates all play a part , SO NO HGV drivers are not twats more interested in texting :doh:
Ok, in your 30 years of HGV driving have you ever managed to hit a house, or any other such large object? 'Nuff said... ;) So you're not the type of truck driver being targeted here.
Mistakes happen, for sure, which are out of your control (and some Police are idiots), but NONE OF THAT should end in the result of you crashing into someone's house!!! :mental: FFS, you MUST see the thing coming towards you before you hit it, unless you're asleep, or not paying proper attention to the road in front of you. That fact can't be disputed.
Quite simply, there is *NO* acceptable excuse whatsoever for hitting a bloody house, unless the truck concerned has suffered brake failure, skidded on ice, or the driver a heart attack or some such. When you're in charge of driving that size of vehicle, with the potential it has for causing death and destruction, on a huge scale, you must be 100% concentrated behind the wheel at all times!
Oh, and if the sat-nav or instructions you've been given are incorrect, then USE A FOOKING MAP and your common sense. After all, what did truckers (and everyone else) do before sat-navs were invented? :ner:
Most important of all, IF IN ANY DOUBT that where you're being told to go isn't safe or practical, DON"T GO THERE, and find somewhere safe to park and STAY PUT, until you receive alternative instructions, OR SIMPLY TURN ROUND AND GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM.
At the end of the day, whatever adverse repercussions occur from making that decision will pale into insignificance, compared with destroying someones house, closing roads down for hours, or worse, KILLING SOMEONE.
End of :cool:
Marco.
montesquieu
31-01-2017, 11:30
You are commenting as a car driver , I am a HGV driver of 30 years standing , Go back to the days before sat navs and it was even worse , I have been diverted by the Police down a road that had a low bridge that I could not get under and had to reverse half a mile in the dark before I could turn round ( No signs ) when I got back to where the Police were I told them and they thought it was amusing and said " We better not send any more down then !! "
I have also been sent to an home address with a shipping contained 40 foot long in a residential housing estate , The family were immigrating , The customer wants you at his address , My company want the job done and piggy in the middle is left to sort it out , Talk about stress , Things are not easy for LGV drivers
Our trucks are fitted with Co pilot LGV sat navs and yes even after you enter the length width and height of your vehicle you can still end up in trouble , Road closures , diversions , map updates all play a part , SO NO HGV drivers are not twats more interested in texting :doh:
Hmm map updates our village has a Norman church one end, military college (founded 1812) at the other and a Victorian railway line slicing through the middle ...
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Edinburgh has lots of lanes that are just narrow walkways with steps between the old buildings. Sat nav used to insist you drive down these:doh: going back a bit mind, dunno if its like that now. Only fortunate thing about it was you couldnt get a car down there. But it shows how they get things wrong easily..oneway sts are another. I use google maps mostly if going somewhere i dont know but dont take its advice as fact.
Audio Al
31-01-2017, 12:29
Ok, in your 30 years of HGV driving have you ever managed to hit a house, or any other such large object? 'Nuff said... ;) So you're not the type of truck driver being targeted here.
Mistakes happen, for sure, which are out of your control (and some Police are idiots), but NONE OF THAT should end in the result of you crashing into someone's house!!! :mental: FFS, you MUST see the thing coming towards you before you hit it, unless you're asleep, or not paying proper attention to the road in front of you. That fact can't be disputed.
Quite simply, there is *NO* acceptable excuse whatsoever for hitting a bloody house, unless the truck concerned has suffered brake failure, skidded on ice, or the driver a heart attack or some such. When you're in charge of driving that size of vehicle, with the potential it has for causing death and destruction, on a huge scale, you must be 100% concentrated behind the wheel at all times!
Oh, and if the sat-nav or instructions you've been given are incorrect, then USE A FOOKING MAP and your common sense. After all, what did truckers (and everyone else) do before sat-navs were invented? :ner:
Most important of all, IF IN ANY DOUBT that where you're being told to go isn't safe or practical, DON"T GO THERE, and find somewhere safe to park and STAY PUT, until you receive alternative instructions, OR SIMPLY TURN ROUND AND GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM.
At the end of the day, whatever adverse repercussions occur from making that decision will pale into insignificance, compared with destroying someones house, closing roads down for hours, or worse, KILLING SOMEONE.
End of :cool:
Marco.
:doh: Is this Marco law :doh:
Use a fooking map :doh:
its 3am where the fook do you buy a map , or are you suggesting I carry a truck load of fooking maps with me for every fooking destination I cover from Leeds down to Southampton :doh:
Typical Marco post :steam:
Car drivers are just as stupid
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=car+in+canal&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&imgil=HgLaO0buKNGrBM%253A%253B2fyXcp9y5uM2HM%253Bh ttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.wpbf.com%25252Farticle %25252Fcrews-respond-to-car-in-canal-at-jog-road-le-chalet-boulevard%25252F1323831&source=iu&pf=m&fir=HgLaO0buKNGrBM%253A%252C2fyXcp9y5uM2HM%252C_&usg=__u5lqafdRb_9h7P2EVMRGZqF6xmc%3D&biw=909&bih=466&ved=0ahUKEwjZu7TmsOzRAhUmI8AKHbpLDYoQyjcIJw&ei=mYKQWJmLKKbGgAa6l7XQCA#imgrc=HgLaO0buKNGrBM%3A
Haselsh1
31-01-2017, 12:29
I see 'they' are updating the UK driving test to test for competency in the use of a satnav...? What about my missus who is soon to take her test...? Will 'they' be testing her on map reading skills because we don't own a satnav and use maps...???
Truck didn't hit the house?
What caused the destruction shown in the opening link, then?
The bungling lorry driver crashed into a brick wall battering the historic home in the quaint village of Woolpit, near Bury St Edmunds...
Seems pretty conclusive to me!
;)
Marco.
:doh: Is this Marco law :doh:
Use a fooking map :doh:
its 3am where the fook do you buy a map , or are you suggesting I carry a truck load of fooking maps with me for every fooking destination I cover from Leeds down to Southampton :doh:
Typical Marco post :steam:
Car drivers are just as stupid
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=car+in+canal&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&imgil=HgLaO0buKNGrBM%253A%253B2fyXcp9y5uM2HM%253Bh ttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.wpbf.com%25252Farticle %25252Fcrews-respond-to-car-in-canal-at-jog-road-le-chalet-boulevard%25252F1323831&source=iu&pf=m&fir=HgLaO0buKNGrBM%253A%252C2fyXcp9y5uM2HM%252C_&usg=__u5lqafdRb_9h7P2EVMRGZqF6xmc%3D&biw=909&bih=466&ved=0ahUKEwjZu7TmsOzRAhUmI8AKHbpLDYoQyjcIJw&ei=mYKQWJmLKKbGgAa6l7XQCA#imgrc=HgLaO0buKNGrBM%3A
Lol.... Calm down, dear! Why are you taking this so personally? :lol:
Yes, many car drivers are idiots too, but then this isn't a stupidity competition. Just admit the guy in that specific truck was a careless, bungling balloon, and be done with it! :ner: :D
Marco.
I think it was the garden wall he hit, but the same people had previously had their whole porch demolished.
I agree that in some case it isn't the drivers fault which is why I was sceptical about this one but go on street view and you can see that he was a moron for taking his truck down that lane. Any normal person would have stopped at the junction, looked down what is essentially a medieval cart track, and taken a different route.
I was sceptical about this one but go on street view and you can see that he was a moron for taking his truck down that lane. Any normal person would have stopped at the junction, looked down what is essentially a medieval cart track, and taken a different route.
Precisely... There is NO logical defence for what he did. Verdict: BRAINLESS ARSEWIPE.
Case closed! :exactly:
Marco.
Audio Al
31-01-2017, 13:37
"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way and the only way, it does not exist" - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche.
:cool:
Hark at the Peter Perfects lol
"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way and the only way, it does not exist" - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche.
:cool:
And what's that got to do with the price of mince [or this thread topic]? :D
The driver in question was a careless clown. Dry the moisture from yer peepers and embrace that reality :thumbsup:
Marco.
Audio Al
31-01-2017, 14:11
OK Marco
Before you :wah:and spit your :dummy: You win :pat:
:D:ner::cool:
OK Marco
Before you :wah:and spit your :dummy: You win :pat:
:D:ner::cool:
Hahahaha.... Such was your (over)reaction (and indignation) at my post, I thought I'd either broken some secret trucker's covenant of: 'Thou shalt not insult one of our brethren, or thy will be persecuted forever'; either that, or it was your mother driving that lorry!! :lol::D
[Anyway, let's kiss and make up] :kiss: :kiss:
Marco.
Firebottle
31-01-2017, 15:45
Pictures or it never happened :eek:
:eyebrows::eyebrows:
When we've done it before, he usually likes me to tickle his tonsils... :D
Marco.
Audio Al
31-01-2017, 17:06
:o
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