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StanleyB
15-12-2009, 09:18
From my youth growing up in the Amazon jungle I remember that there are two main types of Caimans. The black caiman and the bespectacled caiman. This has got me thinking. Maybe the bespectacled caiman equivalent would be a twin TOSLINK input and twin coax input DAC just like the TC-7510? The TC-7510 input configuration is still often requested on the TC-7520 and Caiman. So what about TC-7510 inputs equivalent of the Caiman? i.e. replace the USB socket for an extra TOSLINK socket instead. I don't use USB on my main audio system, but I could do with an extra TOSLINK input for my TV.
Probably a go-er Stan I'd say?
PC Caiman Users are probably in the minority all in and being able to hook up Sky box, AND the PS3 (or whatever) is a good selling point?
Like the 7510 with Caiman sound quality!
BUT...
You WOULD want to avoid confusion with several different models being SIMILAR but not exactly the same...remember the 7510 MK3/4/5/6 confusion?
Just a thought..
:)
StanleyB
15-12-2009, 11:22
You WOULD want to avoid confusion with several different models being SIMILAR but not exactly the same...remember the 7510 MK3/4/5/6 confusion?
Good point.
Since the Caiman is hand assembled I might try a small run of twenty pieces of a twin optical/coax version in the new year.
Since it's hand assembled, maybe offer input options to buyers when ordering direct.
It would make sense to offer the inputs that the end users actually needed. Just lump all these under a SO version (special option) moniker. That way there'd only be two versions, standard and special option. On the back of the unit you could just say "SO: See data sheet", and include with each unit a data sheet with the serial number, detailing the special options included. This could cover not only differing inputs, but also any internal 'factory fitted' upgrades.
StanleyB
15-12-2009, 13:33
Only the first socket is interchangeable. So it is only possible to select between a USB or an extra TOSLINK during assembly.
Hi Stan
Curses Batman as someone said once I think - I would have had a twin TOS link instead of my USB one but probably would not have waited.
Nick
Hi Stan
Curses Batman as someone said once I think - I would have had a twin TOS link instead of my USB one but probably would not have waited.
Nick
Ditto, I'd love to have an optical input rather than a USB one.
What's involved in replacing the USB input with an optical one? Is it something that we might be capable of doing?
Maybe offer the 4th input as a module which can be swapped or replaced as needed, just a thought.
The option would be good.
Is a user swappable module a possibility, at least for some users?
I have sometimes missed the extra optical in, and have not used the USB in often.
Some DACs parallel Toslink and RCA on the same switched input, so that must be a possibility, but would require extra casework
An analogue input would add flexibility as a Standac makes a great "Preamp" if you only have digital sources.
Edit:
Ashley of AVI recomends this switch box which is dirt cheap
http://www.astarsolutions.co.uk/products/?pc=1102&source=list
Not an elegant solution, but would serve for temporary or occasional use.
I don't know if the would be an insertion loss.
I use a switchbox, as I need 3 optical inputs as well as the usb (PS3/XBOX360/SKY HD & PC) - so from my point of view, I wouldn't be interested - in fact it was the usb facility which drew me to the Caiman... but that's just me, probably in the minority.
Hi Alex,
I use a switchbox, as I need 3 optical inputs as well as the usb (PS3/XBOX360/SKY HD & PC)...
Just a quickie... But must your hi-fi system be hooked up to all that other 'paraphernalia', mate? It'll definitely not be doing the performance of your system any favours at all.
Switchboxes, and the associated noise generated by PCs and SKY boxes will definitely interfere with your system. Is there no way you can isolate your 2-channel set-up from the rest and simplify the set-up?
If you can, trust me, it will pay serious sonic dividends! :)
Marco.
Alex is talking about an optical switchbox, Marco... don't think it can propagate any interference whatsoever... ;)
Alex is talking about an optical switchbox, Marco... don't think it can propagate any interference whatsoever... ;)
Are these switches mechanical - do they just marry one of three incoming fibre optic cables alternately to one outgoing light-pipe?
Alex is talking about an optical switchbox, Marco... don't think it can propagate any interference whatsoever... ;)
Hi Dimitri,
Does the switchbox cause a break in the signal? If so, it's definitely affecting the sound. I wasn't referring to it in terms of interference generated - I was thinking more of the PC and Sky box there, which do cause interference.
However, adaptors of any description should be avoided at all costs unless they are absolutely necessary (i.e. there is no other option), as they cause significant sonic degradation. Also, all the other non-hi-fi 'gubbins' Alex has connected to his system won't be doing the performance of the hi-fi gear any favours.
I understand that Alex may have no other option, and so may have to do things this way, but I wanted to point out what was happening just in case he could avoid setting things up that way somehow :)
Marco.
Are these switches mechanical - do they just marry one of three incoming fibre optic cables alternately to one outgoing light-pipe?
Exactly
Do they break the signal, though? Either they do or they don't...
Marco.
Stratmangler
16-12-2009, 19:38
Do they break the signal, though? Either they do or they don't...
Marco.
What signal ?
Think of the switch as a multi-directional coupler, nothing more.
Chris:)
Hi Dimitri,
Does the switchbox cause a break in the signal? If so, it's definitely affecting the sound. I wasn't referring to it in terms of interference generated - I was thinking more of the PC and Sky box there, which do cause interference.
However, adaptors of any description should be avoided at all costs unless they are absolutely necessary (i.e. there is no other option), as they cause significant sonic degradation. Also, all the other non-hi-fi 'gubbins' Alex has connected to his system won't be doing the performance of the hi-fi gear any favours.
I understand that Alex may have no other option, and so may have to do things this way, but I wanted to point out what was happening just in case he could avoid setting things up that way somehow :)
Marco.
I can hear no difference either connected directly or switched - it depends what you mean by "signal" - we are talking about pulses of light representing digital data - not a conventional electric signal - if we were talking about a switch box for coax or analogue RCA then agreed, but I'm not sure it makes much of a difference with Toslink...
I get what you're saying guys... I'm talking about a 'music signal'. Is the musical information travelling along the cable (yes); then it's 'interrupted' when it hits the switchbox, which will then add a tiny bit of its own sonic signature to the sound in the process...
I'm very much a 'hard-wired/direct connection' kind of guy, so things like that bother me, as I can definitely hear their effect in my system (been there, done that).
If you can't hear any difference though Alex connected directly or switched, that's all that matters, so ignore my comments :)
Marco.
Stratmangler
16-12-2009, 20:58
Is the musical information travelling along the cable (yes); then it's 'interrupted' when it hits the switchbox, which will then add a tiny bit of its own sonic signature to the sound in the process...
It's not cable - there is no electrical circuit of any description being made. As to sonic signature - that's something I'd ascribe to an electrical connection.
If you can't hear any difference though Alex connected directly or switched, that's all that matters, so ignore my comments
Ultimately that's all that matters.
Chris:)
Ultimately that's all that matters.
Indeed... Feel free to carry on now! :lol:
Marco.
Hi Dimitri,
Does the switchbox cause a break in the signal? If so, it's definitely affecting the sound. I wasn't referring to it in terms of interference generated - I was thinking more of the PC and Sky box there, which do cause interference.
However, adaptors of any description should be avoided at all costs unless they are absolutely necessary (i.e. there is no other option), as they cause significant sonic degradation. Also, all the other non-hi-fi 'gubbins' Alex has connected to his system won't be doing the performance of the hi-fi gear any favours.
I understand that Alex may have no other option, and so may have to do things this way, but I wanted to point out what was happening just in case he could avoid setting things up that way somehow :)
Marco.
I don't see how there could be any interfering in optical signals... there's no electric connexion, anyway.
A break in the signal ? Well, I don't think it works this way : I mean, at most you could get some jitter ? Well, a basic test could let us decide, still, I doubt there could be any "significant sonic degradation", especially with the dac's ASRC circuits.
I have an analog RCA switch (which is ultimately much worse than any digital switch) and I never noticed any "significant" degradation, if any. How could this be, anyway ? Provided that the switch is properly made, of course...
I mean, how do studios work ? The have countless switches and use no point-to-point connexions, anyway ! :scratch:
Hi Dimitri,
No idea of the 'whys or wherefores', but I've heard things like that degrade the sound before in my system a few times :)
Anyway, Alex can't hear it, so no matter :cool:
Marco.
No idea of the 'whys or wherefores', but I've heard things like that degrade the sound before in my system a few times :)
Marco, it's because I know you're not inventing things, that I'm trying to understand... It puzzles me, really. :scratch:
If one day you come to swim in my pool in Montpellier, we'll try several switches (if we have time, and if we remeber about it by then). Perhaps your ears are more sensitive than mine, who knows ? ;)
Anyway, as you say, Alex has no problem, that's what matters.
The important thing to remember in my particular circumstances is that all of these optically connected sources are A/V - so it is of less importance than say a CD player - I may well try leaving the main Toslink cable (into the Caiman) disconnected if it is likely to make a difference, but with my modest system I doubt I would hear that difference either.
Please keep the USB at least until I upgrade (from my TC-7520) to a Caiman. I would not be able to buy it unless it had USB.
StanleyB
05-01-2010, 18:52
The stock Caiman is not getting changed, so no need to worry.
By the way, I have already sold and dispatched a couple of the twin TOSLINK Caiman, now known as the Caiman+. I hope to take some pics in the next few days.
The Caiman+ will be on sale at your online shop, or it's on "special order" only, Stan ?
StanleyB
05-01-2010, 20:06
I'll put it up once I have taken some pics in the next few days.
What's involved in replacing the USB port with a Toslink receiver?
I'm going to be doing it for this: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4933
(I have the Toslink receivers by the way.)
Also, did you get my PM Stan?
I'll put it up once I have taken some pics in the next few days.
Ok, thanks. As I keep updated a list of the available dacs, prices etc on a french forum, I'll have this done when you're ready.
And I will update the preview, also. ;)
StanleyB
05-01-2010, 20:20
What's involved in replacing the USB port with a Toslink receiver?
Also, did you get my PM Stan?
You need to change he case and swap the USB PCB out for a TOSLINK socket.
Do you mean the one with about 10 questions? I get bored after reading more than two questions. I hate essays and writing reports. As a former technical manager I had to read and write those things under duress, which has put me off them for life.
You need to change he case and swap the USB PCB out for a TOSLINK socket.
Do you mean the one with about 10 questions? I get bored after reading more than two questions. I hate essays and writing reports. As a former technical manager I had to read and write those things under duress, which has put me off them for life.
Ok, thanks. I'm sure I can manage that.
Ha ha, I hope not. I'm sure it was just 3-4. I know you busy and have far better things to do that answer hundreds of questions. I'm just the same. :lol:
The only real one I need answering is the volume pot. What type of Pot do I need to replace the current one with a panel mount one? Are they 20k linear with 2 tracks?
StanleyB
05-01-2010, 20:39
What type of Pot do I need to replace the current one with a panel mount one? Are they 20k linear with 2 tracks?
Don't use ganja or a flower pot..
stereo 20K linear will do.
Don't use ganja or a flower pot..
stereo 20K linear will do.
Excellent, thanks Stan.
I dont know if you've had a chance to look yet, but what do you think of the Caiman case im building?
Given its your name, are you happy for me to put the Beresford and Caiman text on the front panel? (I dont want to put them on unless you are fine with it.)
StanleyB
05-01-2010, 22:35
Excellent, thanks Stan.
I dont know if you've had a chance to look yet, but what do you think of the Caiman case im building?
It's a valiant effort:).
Have you considered trying out a program Front Panel Designer to do the front panel? The company that owns the software can also make the front panel for you. The program can give you an instant quote on your design, which is a good way of trying out varies ideas and seeing how much it would cost to implement.
Don't use ganja or a flower pot..
stereo 20K linear will do.
This kind of pot is proving to be a right pain to source. (The last hour of scouring has been completely unsuccessful). Neither Maplins, Rapid, Farnell or RS seem to have what's required. The closest I have been able to find are Stereo 22K linear pots or 20k log pots. :(
Is the audio signal being passed though it, if so do I need to get a decent quality one?
It's a valiant effort:).
Have you considered trying out a program Front Panel Designer to do the front panel? The company that owns the software can also make the front panel for you. The program can give you an instant quote on your design, which is a good way of trying out varies ideas and seeing how much it would cost to implement.
I have indeed considered it, albeit in the early stages of my design. They would be able to do it for me, however I wouldn't be able to get the finish I desire. So I am having HiFi 2000 (http://www.hifi2000.it/) in Italy make the panels for me, finish and then engrave them. Just awaiting some more pricing back from them, then i shall be moving forward and getting them made. :)
I'm just a plain straightforward sort of guy. There's nothing wrong with Stan's case. It does the job, looks the part, and does not offend the eye. What more is needed?
But then I would not pay big money for a watch. I have a bottom range Seiko. Had it for years, and it still keeps perfect time.
Hi Brian,
I'm just a plain straightforward sort of guy. There's nothing wrong with Stan's case. It does the job, looks the part, and does not offend the eye. What more is needed?
In terms of casing, perhaps something that's a little less resonant or microphonic? :)
Experiments have been conducted where the Beresford has been placed on bespoke audio equipment supports, with subsequent (significant) sonic improvements obtained as a result of its deficiencies as mentioned above. James' reworked casing should hopefully mean that the performance of the Beresford is less susceptible to being affected by where it's situated.
We all know that the casing on hi-fi components is often the most expensive cost to a designer, so in a £250 Beresford DAC using high quality components throughout, something has to give....
I'm pretty certain that once James has finished his project it'll be the best sounding Caiman out there - and by quite some margin, so good luck to him :cool:
Stan should use his design as a template for future projects and produce a 'Caiman SE' (or whatever) at a price which reflects the added cost of a superior casing and the improved sonic performance that goes with it. It would also, I feel, give his products more credibilty outside of the current userbase.
Marco.
In terms of casing, perhaps something that's a little less resonant or microphonic? :) Experiments have been conducted . . .
Has Stan expressed a view on microphony? Or on the experiments?
I'm not sure what Stan's views are on this, Brian.
He wasn't there when the experiment was carried out during last year's bake-off at Scalford Hall, but all those who were present could clearly hear the significant sonic improvement brought about by simply lifting the Beresford off of a box sitting on the floor and onto Steve Toy's acrylic Quadraspire Reference supports....
I'm sure that Stan would recognise though that the current casing used on his designs is as good as it can be for the price.
James' mods, in my opinion, takes things to a new level by giving the Beresford DAC the case it deserves, and IMO should have either as standard or as a special edition option :)
Marco.
James' mods, in my opinion, takes things to a new level by giving the Beresford DAC the case it deserves, and IMO should have either as standard or as a special edition option
I have no objection if folk want to pay for bling :) And none at all if Stan can sell at the higher price. I would prefer to put my money onto more electronics - remote volume control and source switching. A single analogue input?
I was not there a-listening, but find it hard to believe microphony could be such an issue at normal domestic listening levels. AVI has stuffed the lot in the back of the speaker case with two drivers and two 250w amps!
Trust me, Brian, it made a pretty big difference... Why do you think all my gear sits on (many) multiple layers of Mana?
James' mods are not "bling"; just solid construction/engineering techniques.
Hey, never mind the Beresford, I can hear the difference supports make with my massively over-engineered Sony CDP and DAC, weighing 20kg EACH! :)
Remote volume control and source switching, while desirable, don't improve sonic performance. I suspect that a less resonant casing will be just as big a sonic upgrade (although in a different way) as any of the internal component upgrades to the Beresford Stan has carried out to date.....
Marco.
P.S Addressing this issue on the HDD forum is akin to joining an Atheist's convention and asking if they think there could be a God ;)
Best way to hear if the support makes any difference to the DAC is to listen to a track with it on the support and then again with someone holding it in the air off the support.
I have tried this a few times when really board and never detected any difference. Also tried putting stuff on the casing / under the casing etc - never really heard much difference other than what I wanted to hear either.
Just my little contribution if that's acceptable.
Regards
Chris
Hi Chris,
Best way to hear if the support makes any difference to the DAC is to listen to a track with it on the support and then again with someone holding it in the air off the support.
....making sure of course that the support you're using is actually designed to improve audio performance in the first place - not all equipment supports, after all, are equal ;)
I'm talking about something that's purpose-built and properly designed for the job, such as this:
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/840/system1109012.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/system1109012.jpg/)
Out of interest, what kind of support did you try with your experiment? :)
Marco.
StanleyB
06-01-2010, 10:00
I have no objection if folk want to pay for bling :) And none at all if Stan can sell at the higher price. I would prefer to put my money onto more electronics - remote volume control and source switching. A single analogue input?
It exist already, and is called a DAC1 HRD if I am not mistaken.
My focus is however on customers who don't need those features, in return for a lower retail price.
StanleyB
06-01-2010, 10:02
Experiments have been conducted where the Beresford has been placed on bespoke audio equipment supports, with subsequent (significant) sonic improvements obtained as a result of its deficiencies as mentioned above. James' reworked casing should hopefully mean that the performance of the Beresford is less susceptible to being affected by where it's situated.
I find that impossible to believe. Electronic signals travel at far too high a speed for them to be able to exhibit such symptoms.
Hi Marco,
The best isolation in my opinion is none which is where lifting it up into the air comes in. This is the benchmark that I applied when trying others. I have a secondhand soundstyle (tripod type) with isolated glass shelves which now is used as a book case (the missus liked it so when the Naim went a few years back she had first refusal). I now use some old black target ones with spikes on bought when I was a lad for £15.00 each.
I personally think that the isolation stand stuff may stem from the turntable era when there were sound improvements to be had.
Regards
P.S Addressing this issue on the HDD forum is akin to joining an Atheist's convention and asking if they think there could be a God ;)
This forum too has its foibles - fun isn't it?
But JCB is about the rudest poster I have come across anywhere! How mant places has he got himself banned?
I just enjoy winding him up!!
Yes, I read his outrageously rude remark about your 'lack of education', or some such. What utter cheek, and from someone with considerable deficiencies in that area himself! :rolleyes:
Just ignore him though - he's so far up Ashley's arse he can't think straight! :lol:
Marco.
Hi Chris
I personally think that the isolation stand stuff may stem from the turntable era when there were sound improvements to be had.
I don't wish to drag this thread any further off-topic with stand discussion, so I'll simply say this: please come to the Scalford Hall bake-off in March, visit the AoS room, and I'll endeavour to disprove that theory and demonstrate that improvements are to be had from more than just turntables ;)
Bring your Beresford DAC with you! :)
Stan,
You're invited too (theories are fine but the proof of the pudding is in the listening), along with anyone else who's sceptical about the sonic benefits of purpose-built equipment supports.
Let's get back on topic now about the two Caimans.....
Marco.
Yes, I read his outrageously rude remark about your 'lack of education'
A diversionary tactic, to avoid the criticism that the said forum was like many other places in Cyberspace of which he was critical, saying that they were just a collection of like minded folk confirming their prejudices.
Indeed :lol:
You can almost chew on the irony!!
Marco.
You can almost chew on the irony!!
And you want to mount a Beresford DAC on a 5 cwt slab of granite spiked to the floor?
Di you really say that, Marco? :lol:
Nae laddie, it was acrylic, not granite... Check the picture I posted earlier ;)
Marco.
I had a Great Uncle who, in the 1950s, had a radiogram with a Williamson amp and a speaker set on a granite baffle in the front of the radiogram Cabinet.
What that achieved, I don't know.
Beechwoods
06-01-2010, 12:25
I heard the affect of the Quadraspire on the Beresford and it was light and day. Imaging suddenly extended beyond the speakers and the whole thing opened up... I wasn't expecting to hear any difference at all :)
Very difficult to evaluate equipment stands when powering up and down to swap over as it also affects the sound. By the time things have warmed up again I have usually forgotten what the first one sounds like - getting old you know.
Granite under my speakers works well though on timber floors.
Regards
Chris
I find that impossible to believe. Electronic signal travel at far too high a speed for them to be able to exhibit such symptoms.
I agree with you on this. Never experienced microphony on DACs with an external power supply.
Well my tuppence worth is that changing the Bdac case DOES make a positive improvement.
Whilst not going to the lengths of building a new case, I have DAMPED the existing case by lining it with Aluminium Flashtape (similar in principle to Dynamat: the car noise deadening stuff?), and the sound of the Dac has indeed changed in that its much "tighter" sound, clearer bigger soundstage with far more "boogie factor" to it.
*See HERE:
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4783&page=4
Post 39 for pics*
I'd say with the bang for buck ethos of the Dac, dampening any resonance in the existing Dac case using Dynamat/flashtape or similar is a great tweak for improved performance.
Also, I have sat the Dac on two small audiophile granite slabs (or Tesco placemats!) which further improved the sound.
I imagine both of these improvements would come about with a more solid case?
But if your happy with the looks (and most are - it does the job) then dampen the case and isolate it better!
:)
Beechwoods
06-01-2010, 13:04
Very difficult to evaluate equipment stands when powering up and down to swap over as it also affects the sound. By the time things have warmed up again I have usually forgotten what the first one sounds like - getting old you know.
When we moved the Beresford it was just carefully picked up off the floor and moved to the stand while still 'playing'. No other factors changed... like I say; night and day!
When we moved the Beresford it was just carefully picked up off the floor and moved to the stand while still 'playing'. No other factors changed... like I say; night and day!
Very pleased that you have found your way to greater musical pleasure!
Thing about lifting it up off the stand as a test is that it is easy to try and make your own mind up if you can hear any difference.
I can't.
Regards
Chris
Chris, can you come to Scalford Hall in March? If you can attand I guarantee you'll hear the same effect for yourself, simply because it's so obvious. Like Nick says, nothing was powered down. The Beresford remained on all the time and was simply moved from a box on the floor onto Steve's QS REF supports.
If you genuinely can't hear a difference though, I'll donate £100 to the Cat's Protection League (my favourite charity).
Howzat? :)
Marco.
Hi Marco,
Thank you for you kind offer and hospitality.
I have no doubt that you and others will hear a wonderful must have difference - this is what makes the world go round. I have found myself in the past using this or that special cable, support etc and have surprisingly always managed to find an even better one to rush out and buy (been at it over 25 years).
After ditching it all and going back to basics (largly because of going down the computer based streaming route) I now realize that I was just going round in circles. Not much is actually new - just the same old rebadged or rediscovered.
So I will stick with my old black £15.00 Target stands and leave you guys to marvel at the "night and day" upgrades that the top support guarantees.
Regards
Chris
Beechwoods
06-01-2010, 19:48
:confused: I had no expectations. Someone just moved the Beresford, and the sound suddenly opened up. I was genuinly taken aback because I didn't expect any kind of change that I'd be able to hear... anyway, my own gear is on some Ikea Träby shelf units, because I've got a lot of it, and they fit my space. I don't have any 'high end' agenda, just say it how I heard it :)
Ali Tait
06-01-2010, 19:55
Perhaps an interconnect made better contact as a result of moving the dac?
Beechwoods
06-01-2010, 19:57
We'll have to be more careful next time to rule that possibility out, Ali!
StanleyB
06-01-2010, 20:02
I guess my next DAC should be called Mystic...
I guess my next DAC should be called Mystic...
"Mystic Rose", Stan
http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/mystical-rose.htm
Nice soft blue lights (not hard like the Caiman), and a soft focus colour screen showing status - should go for around £1500, Stan.
Well worth selling your soul!
StanleyB
06-01-2010, 20:21
I am not in the £1500 price bracket. £400 is as high as I would feel comfortable with if I had to buy a DAC.
Beechwoods
06-01-2010, 20:24
You could always do a special price for Brian!
StanleyB
06-01-2010, 20:31
Goo idea:eyebrows:.
I guess my next DAC should be called Mystic...
:lolsign:
Goo idea:eyebrows:.
Stanley, if its name were "Mystic" I would expect a generous clergy discount!
Don't want any mystical non-sense - just remote volume control and source switching.
And, if you could produce a no nonsense power amp in a simple brick to hide behind the telly that would be great. Lots of sophisticated grunt, but no fancy bits.
Caiman DAC Control Amp > Beresford Brick > Decent speakers.
Hi, just joined after reading a bit around here. I've got a 7510 6/4 that i've been thinking about getting modded or upgrading, so i was very interested to hear about this Caiman+ stanley, as I wouldn't need the USB connection. Especially as you mentioned a bunch of posts back that it outperforms a modded 7510. Any more news on this??
Thanks!
Filterlab
05-02-2010, 13:55
I don't wish to drag this thread any further off-topic with stand discussion, so I'll simply say this: please come to the Scalford Hall bake-off in March, visit the AoS room, and I'll endeavour to disprove that theory and demonstrate that improvements are to be had from more than just turntables ;)
Off the back of that day (it was my Beresford DAC that was being used), I actually built myself a scaled down version of a Quadraspire stand using 5mm polished acrylic and spikes. I chose 5mm as the 10mm was simply too stiff given the weight of the DAC, and I chose to size the sheet to the same scale as a full size component on the Quadraspire.
I still use it now, and it has improved the sound. Plus it looks very nice. :)
StanleyB
05-02-2010, 16:52
I've got a 7510 6/4 that i've been thinking about getting modded or upgrading, so i was very interested to hear about this Caiman+ stanley, as I wouldn't need the USB connection. Especially as you mentioned a bunch of posts back that it outperforms a modded 7510. Any more news on this??
Send me a PM with your email address and specify which country it is going to. I shall then send you an invoice via Paypal :).
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