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icehockeyboy
01-12-2016, 09:58
Probably Stratmangler will answer this in 2.5 seconds.......The Logitech Media Server keeps stopping, and I have to keep restarting so I can listen to music stored on an attached hard drive.
My question is why?
And is there a longer term fix to stop it happening?
more details needed, what version? what hardfware is it running on? what OS?
icehockeyboy
01-12-2016, 10:42
more details needed, what version? what hardfware is it running on? what OS?
Erm.....erm......
First thing I'd check Craig is for networking gremlins.
Easy solution: switch everything off at the plug, including your router/hub..whatever.
(Don't switch your amps off :))
Switch back on in this order:
* Router/Hub
...then leave it a few minutes before switching everything else on.
then
* External drive
* SB touch
See what happens after that.
Assuming all things equal...90% of squeezebox issues can be solved by a network reset like I detailed above.
Probably Stratmangler will answer this in 2.5 seconds.......The Logitech Media Server keeps stopping, and I have to keep restarting so I can listen to music stored on an attached hard drive.
My question is why?
And is there a longer term fix to stop it happening?
What device is the hard drive in question connected to?
Are you running LMS on a NAS/Server? Or are you using the touch as both server & player?
Stratmangler
01-12-2016, 19:01
From memory you're running TinySC on the Touch player itself, with a USB HDD hanging out the back of the Touch.
Is the USB HDD powered, or does it draw its power from the Touch?
Your memory is good my young Padwan...
Stratmangler
01-12-2016, 20:07
Dunno about having a good memory - it's turned into Groundhog Day :doh:
Deja Vu...did I say that before?
icehockeyboy
03-12-2016, 13:46
From memory you're running TinySC on the Touch player itself, with a USB HDD hanging out the back of the Touch.
Is the USB HDD powered, or does it draw its power from the Touch?
It's powered Chris.
I've tried what Gaz suggested, still keeps dropping LMS, and until I do a ' Start LMS server' again, the player disappears off my Ipeng device
Stratmangler
03-12-2016, 22:22
Have you tried swapping out the PSU?
The one supplied with the Touch is a cheap 'n' nasty SMPS, and it's not unknown for them to die.
And the PSU beginning to fail could cause such a problem.
Stratmangler
03-12-2016, 23:01
My last post isn't appearing at my end, so I'll attempt to replicate it.
Is the Touch on its original PSU?
If it is it's a cheap 'n' nasty SMPS, and it's not unknown for the supplied PSUs to gradually fail, and in the process cause all sorts of weird and wonderful problems.
The other thing you could try is to factory default the Touch and start again, but if the PSU is beginning its death throes this would not be of any great advantage.
icehockeyboy
04-12-2016, 12:04
My last post isn't appearing at my end, so I'll attempt to replicate it.
Is the Touch on its original PSU?
If it is it's a cheap 'n' nasty SMPS, and it's not unknown for the supplied PSUs to gradually fail, and in the process cause all sorts of weird and wonderful problems.
The other thing you could try is to factory default the Touch and start again, but if the PSU is beginning its death throes this would not be of any great advantage.
It's an aftermarket job....
Stratmangler
04-12-2016, 12:31
It's an aftermarket job....
So what about doing a factory reset?
And is there a longer term fix to stop it happening?
...if you don't want to keep waking up to Sonny & Cher ;)...I'd suggest you use the touch in it's preferred configuration, I.E. with LMS running on another network device, NAS, Pi, laptop etc.
My guess is you're pushing the Touch beyond it's capabilities...:)
Stratmangler
04-12-2016, 13:23
...if you don't want to keep waking up to Sonny & Cher ;)...I'd suggest you use the touch in it's preferred configuration, I.E. with LMS running on another network device, NAS, Pi, laptop etc.
My guess is you're pushing the Touch beyond it's capabilities...:)
+1
Last time this problem raised its head Craig was using a second Touch running off the same TinySC server.
+1
Last time this problem raised its head Craig was using a second Touch running off the same TinySC server.
If I remember correctly the latest Raspberry Pi is something of super computer compared to the spec of the Touch!!! :eyebrows:
Stratmangler
04-12-2016, 14:30
If I remember correctly the latest Raspberry Pi is something of super computer compared to the spec of the Touch!!! :eyebrows:
You're not wrong there!
I wonder if assigning static IPs on the Touch players would improve reliability?
That and reserving the allocated addresses on the router for the Touch players.
If there has been a change of service provider/router then the IP address leasing might not be as long term as it once once.
I had a similar issue when Virgin sent me a new router - the old one held onto licences so that they were effectively static, whereas the new one gives devices a new IP address if you happen to sneeze at the wrong moment.
I ended up reserving an IP address for my NAS on the new router, and then making the address static on the NAS in order to stop the damned thing going walkabout on the network.
Just a thought ....
icehockeyboy
04-12-2016, 15:31
You're not wrong there!
I wonder if assigning static IPs on the Touch players would improve reliability?
That and reserving the allocated addresses on the router for the Touch players.
If there has been a change of service provider/router then the IP address leasing might not be as long term as it once once.
I had a similar issue when Virgin sent me a new router - the old one held onto licences so that they were effectively static, whereas the new one gives devices a new IP address if you happen to sneeze at the wrong moment.
I ended up reserving an IP address for my NAS on the new router, and then making the address static on the NAS in order to stop the damned thing going walkabout on the network.
Just a thought ....
If only I were capable of carrying the suggestion out...... :(
It's not a BT smart hub you use by any chance, I've ditched mine as it played havoc with my Pi/MoOde setup
It's an aftermarket job....
Back to first principles, Chris' suggestion was a good 'un.
Do you still have the original PSU Crag?
If so try that, see what happens.
Assuming Ipeng has picked up your Touch now?
Stratmangler
04-12-2016, 19:14
Back to first principles, Chris' suggestion was a good 'un.
Do you still have the original PSU Crag?
If so try that, see what happens.
Assuming Ipeng has picked up your Touch now?
Just make sure that it really is the one that came with your Touch - the Touch requires 5vdc input, and if you plug in a higher voltage supply you'll be sniffing majik smoke, and mourning the loss of your Squeezebox Touch.
Tread very carefully ......
Looks like this Craig, as Chris said 5 volts 3 amps.
http://www.head-fi.org/content/type/61/id/742974/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL
icehockeyboy
05-12-2016, 08:58
It's a bona ride Mark Grant job, and it's been in situ for at least a couple of years.
That's now got me thinking....does anyone still think it might be that causing the problem?
in your setup my money would be on Tiny SC, reliable it isn't
cheapest option I'd try is a PI runnning LMS instead
It's a bona ride Mark Grant job, and it's been in situ for at least a couple of years.
That's now got me thinking....does anyone still think it might be that causing the problem?
Need some more feedback Craig to help you out mate.
Have you tried another power supply as Chris suggested?
in your setup my money would be on Tiny SC, reliable it isn't
cheapest option I'd try is a PI runnning LMS instead
I'm afraid that this particular penny is just not dropping...:eyebrows:
Stratmangler
05-12-2016, 12:51
It's a bona ride Mark Grant job, and it's been in situ for at least a couple of years.
That's now got me thinking....does anyone still think it might be that causing the problem?
Mark Grant doesn't produce power supplies.
icehockeyboy
06-12-2016, 09:22
Mark Grant doesn't produce power supplies.
Mark supplied me with the little plug that goes into the SB, so my old addled brain recalled the name and wrongly put that!
It's one of those S Booster things, with the power supply.
Edit to add: I just Googled Mark Grant, and yes he does supply them.
icehockeyboy
06-12-2016, 09:41
in your setup my money would be on Tiny SC, reliable it isn't
cheapest option I'd try is a PI runnning LMS instead
Tell me more please.
there are many ways to get the full lms on a PI
this is probably the simplest
https://shop.max2play.com/en/bundles/raspberry-pi-bundle.html
there are many ways to get the full lms on a PI
this is probably the simplest
https://shop.max2play.com/en/bundles/raspberry-pi-bundle.html
PiCorePlayer now contains LMS, so it's another alternative to the Max2play distro...
https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home/news
yep, running it on picoreplayer myself,
I was trying to keep the supply and setup as simple as possible though
Hi Craig,
wheres your music stored and how is it connected to your Touch?
USB hard drive into the Touch?
or
Music stored in computer fed by Ethernet?
if USB then your Touch is using a cut down version of squeezebox software that is known to be a bit flakey and unreliable.
Have a laptop kicking around?
Install the full Logitech Media Server software on that, hook your usb hard drive to that and connect laptop to your Touch with an ethernet cable.
MUCH more stable and reliable connection and a lot less hassle in the long run.
Need some more feedback Craig to help you out mate.
Have you tried another power supply as Chris suggested?
Well?
I was trying to keep the supply and setup as simple as possible though
...good point well made, particularly in this instance ;)
icehockeyboy
06-12-2016, 11:42
Well?
Can't find original PSU, will unhook the kitchen one when I can and try it.
icehockeyboy
06-12-2016, 13:00
Hi Craig,
wheres your music stored and how is it connected to your Touch?
USB hard drive into the Touch?
or
Music stored in computer fed by Ethernet?
if USB then your Touch is using a cut down version of squeezebox software that is known to be a bit flakey and unreliable.
Have a laptop kicking around?
Install the full Logitech Media Server software on that, hook your usb hard drive to that and connect laptop to your Touch with an ethernet cable.
MUCH more stable and reliable connection and a lot less hassle in the long run.
It's a 320 gig powered hard drive, Ethernet connected into Touch.
got a pic?
I ask as the hard drive connected via Ethernet seems unlikely
Stratmangler
06-12-2016, 14:41
Edit to add: I just Googled Mark Grant, and yes he does supply them.
You said it was a Mark Grant power supply, and I pointed out that he doesn't make them.
That he can supply one is not in dispute.
Mark is an agent for SBooster products, just as he is for the Tube Distinctions mains block.
It's a 320 gig powered hard drive, Ethernet connected into Touch.
whats the hard drive connected to mate?
Laptop, pc...?
icehockeyboy
06-12-2016, 15:38
whats the hard drive connected to mate?
Laptop, pc...?
Straight into the SB.....is that wrong?
less wrong as not really possible, a simply external drive won't have an ethernet connection so I'd expect you have it plugged in via USB
a pic would be useful
this is an ethernet cable
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8J_0ZylfA59Rlwb6PAlQ6dnPnx1Dr4 qQLRa2MuRVraDKqksFB
this is a usb cable
http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/m9oAAOSwEjFXcPjq/s-l225.jpg
on the Touch
this is back of the touch
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41FzOY9nfsL.jpg
working from right to left you have Power, USB, Ethernet
Straight into the SB.....is that wrong?
Ah-ha.
May have cracked it.
So...
You have a powered USB hard drive connected to the Touch's usb port.
AND
You have an ethernet cable connected to the Touch too?
I'm assuming Craig your music is on the USB drive?
If your music is coming from the USB drive connected to the Touch just unplug the Ethernet cable.
The way the Touch works it its either one or other?
i.e.
If Ethernet connection, you install squeezebox software LMS on your computer, and the Touch picks it up and your music there.
IF USB Drive connection, the Touch has its own smaller version of the squeezebox software, TinyLMS.
I think there's a conflict going on and the Touch doesnt know what source to connect to.
Disconnect your Ethernet cable, go into settings on your Touch and tell it you want to use the USB drive.
icehockeyboy
06-12-2016, 16:48
No Gaz, just the one Ethernet cable from the HDD to the Touch.
icehockeyboy
06-12-2016, 16:52
less wrong as not really possible, a simply external drive won't have an ethernet connection so I'd expect you have it plugged in via USB
a pic would be useful
this is an ethernet cable
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8J_0ZylfA59Rlwb6PAlQ6dnPnx1Dr4 qQLRa2MuRVraDKqksFB
this is a usb cable
http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/m9oAAOSwEjFXcPjq/s-l225.jpg
on the Touch
this is back of the touch
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41FzOY9nfsL.jpg
working from right to left you have Power, USB, Ethernet
Not at home at the moment, but am I totally wrong then thinking that the HDD wouldn't be connected to The Touch via an Ethernet cable?
icehockeyboy
06-12-2016, 17:01
Not at home at the moment, but am I totally wrong then thinking that the HDD wouldn't be connected to The Touch via an Ethernet cable?
What am I thinking??
Of course the HDD isn't connected by Ethernet!
It's via USB.
I'm not a complete loony, it's just that I'm nowhere near the unit! Honest M'lud!
It's
Craig,
is there only the one cable connected to the Touch...the USB?
icehockeyboy
06-12-2016, 17:21
Craig,
is there only the one cable connected to the Touch...the USB?
No,
I must have the Ethernet connected into the Virgin hub
Where do you store your digital music?
icehockeyboy
06-12-2016, 19:20
Where do you store your digital music?
In the attached HDD.
However, I think I must be losing it......there is NO Ethernet connected to the Touch at all!
I now remember I took it out of the equation as I'd only used it to ensure max signal strength, but I have 100% wireless anyway!
So what's next master?
looks to me like you are definately using Tiny SC
next for me would run LMS on something else, either the PI I suggested or if you have a PC, install on that and see if it solves the issue
Factory reset your SB Touch Craig.
Power down the Touch and restart it whilst holding down the "+" button on the remote.
ReConfigure TinySC (Software on teh Touch..follow information on the screen)
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Setting_Up_Squeezebox_Touch_Server
StanleyB
06-12-2016, 21:32
I suspect that Craig has some sort of electrical wiring problem, or gets hit by lightning, from time to time. I noticed that almost every time he has an issue with the Touch, the Caiman DAC he has tends to go faulty at the same time as well. So something is knocking out the Touch and the Caiman.
icehockeyboy
07-12-2016, 09:26
I suspect that Craig has some sort of electrical wiring problem, or gets hit by lightning, from time to time. I noticed that almost every time he has an issue with the Touch, the Caiman DAC he has tends to go faulty at the same time as well. So something is knocking out the Touch and the Caiman.
But it all goes through a nice Belkin unit.....
Have you done a factory reset on your Touch yet? :scratch:
icehockeyboy
07-12-2016, 15:44
Have you done a factory reset on your Touch yet? :scratch:
Not yet Gaz, been busy, but it's next as soon as I get home later.
The link has pointed out something I should do too?
icehockeyboy
09-12-2016, 10:11
Have you done a factory reset on your Touch yet? :scratch:
Finally did the reset, sadly it didn't seem to help.....but then I did what the guide mentioned in the link you put Gaz.
I rejected the USB device, restarted the Touch, and then reinstalled the HDD.
The Ipeng immediately picked up on the Touch!
Fingers crossed its sorted!
Well at least for now! :)
icehockeyboy
10-12-2016, 13:44
Hmm.....I still have problems, but am now thinking it is something to do with the Ipeng app on my iPad.
I have the sameapp on my iPhone, but whilst the iPad connection to the Touch is playing up, the phone is operating Ipeng perfectly.
Cool :)
Finally did the reset, sadly it didn't seem to help.....but then I did what the guide mentioned in the link you put Gaz.
I rejected the USB device, restarted the Touch, and then reinstalled the HDD.
The Ipeng immediately picked up on the Touch!
Fingers crossed its sorted!
Well at least for now! :)
Stratmangler
10-12-2016, 17:16
Hmm.....I still have problems, but am now thinking it is something to do with the Ipeng app on my iPad.
I have the sameapp on my iPhone, but whilst the iPad connection to the Touch is playing up, the phone is operating Ipeng perfectly.
Have you tried uninstalling the app on your iPad and reinstalling it?
It's common computer procedure ....
icehockeyboy
10-12-2016, 19:05
Have you tried uninstalling the app on your iPad and reinstalling it?
It's common computer procedure ....
Will do now.
icehockeyboy
10-12-2016, 19:09
Off to a gig now, will give it a test tomorrow, thanks!
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