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Gazjam
29-11-2016, 18:01
300B SET amp owner, mines has 2x300B power tubes and 2xTungSol 5687 NOS signal valves.
Last week or so been hearing an intermittant rustle/crackling sound from one channel.

Bollocks thought I.
Didn't even want to CONSIDER it might have been one of the new 300Bs...
Swapped the signal valves about and (happily) the noise followed the valve to the other channel.

Have a few spare 5687 signal valves but was annoyed as the one that crackled was known to be the best sounding type and was quite hard to track down.
Might as well look at the valve, see if theres anything obviously wrong with it before I change it?

Nothing obvious, maybe a couple of the pins were slightly bent and being from the 1950's the pins were heavily oxidised, amost black.
Needlenose pliers to the bent pins and took some Deoxit to it.
Didn't really shift the oxidisation from the pin, but know it might increase contact so worth a try.
Nope, still a rustling valve. :(

All set to chuck it but having nothing to lose and being disappointed with the Deoxit, thought Id give one more thing a try, and this is where the fun began...

Autosol metal polish, http://www.halfords.com/motoring/car-cleaning/shampoo-polish-wax/autosol-metal-polish-75ml old toothbrush, cotton buds and a lot of elbow grease later I had a 1950s valve with pins that were chrome, not black with oxidation.
Carefully sprayed the pins with Swarfega "Jizer" degreaser http://www.halfords.com/motoring/engine-oils-fluids/engine-cleaner-degreaser/swarfega-jizer-degreaser-500ml let it sit for a couple of minutes to do its thing, rinsed the pins off with water and and dried them off.
Gleaming like a new pin. :)

After some additional air-dry time I put the valve back in the amp and switched on.
No more crackling valve, but more important an immediate and very noticable difference between the two channels in clarity, transparency and even volume.
Because Id restored the valve pins to new.

Did exactly thr same with the other signal valve and wow...both channels now the same and a lot better sounding than before.

Result!
Use NOS valves in your valve amp...?
Get the Autosol out!

Firebottle
29-11-2016, 19:49
Good on Gaz, must get me some autosol:D

Lawrence001
05-01-2017, 22:47
The description says it leaves a protective layer on the surface is this why you degreased it after? I wonder if brasso would be as good, I assume a mildly abrasive cleaner like that is the best for this task.


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farflungstar
06-01-2017, 00:12
I used silver polish then cleaned with an isopropyl alcohol/distilled water mix last time I cleaned mine. Definitive improvement.
Adey

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Jimbo
06-01-2017, 06:51
Gaz this is exactly what I do to my valve pins on recommendation from Marco. I received a nice 1962 RCA 5751 yesterday and my first thought was I must clean the pins!

However until I just read this post I di not know just how effective clean pins were and how they could contribute to such a loss of clarity and performance. WOW.

I may now go through all my other valves and check their pins are shiny!

I agree with you Autosol is the best stuff to clean them with a cotton bud.

Cheers Gaz:cool:

Marco
06-01-2017, 08:08
Gas this is exactly what I do to my valve pins on recommendation from Marco.

Indeed, but did I not recommend that you use one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fibre-Glass-Scratch-Pencil-Brush-Clean-Remove-Rust-Dirt-Pen-Watch-Free-P-P-/111741724919?hash=item1a045368f7:g:EqgAAOSwDlxU3Ld n

A fibreglass pencil is the ideal tool for the job, as it's a dry-clean process, so you can get right into the corners of the pins without the faff of removing liquid cleaning agents, and the pencil quickly gets right down to the bare metal on pins, removing the most stubborn forms oxidisation in the process.

Just be sure to wear some thin rubber gloves, when using one of the pens, as getting fibreglass splinters in your skin isn't nice! Once pins are cleaned, just to be sure that all particles of fibreglass have been removed, spray them with some Deoxit or Isopropyl alcohol, and you're good to go! :cool:

Marco.

Ali Tait
06-01-2017, 08:30
Get a saucer, stand valves in it, fill with Coke up to top of the pins. Leave overnight, then use a degreaser and fibre pen. Pins will come up like new.

Marco
06-01-2017, 08:35
Good old healthy Coke, eh? :eyebrows:

Never tried that, as I've always found using a fibreglass pencil on its own enough (finishing off with Deoxit, etc, aside).

Marco.

Jimbo
06-01-2017, 08:38
I have a number of valves I know have less than shiny pins so will order one of these fibreglass pens.

:cool:

Marco
06-01-2017, 10:06
They're great, Jim. Also buy some spare 'inners', for the pens, as they do rub down quite quickly. You should also be able to get them on Ebay :)

Marco.

Jimbo
06-01-2017, 10:08
They're great, Jim. Also buy some spare 'inners', for the pens, as they do rub down quite quickly. You should also be able to get them on Ebay :)

Marco.

Brilliant, seen a pen + spare tips for about £7 on Amazon. Think the tips are the pricey bit.

Marco
06-01-2017, 10:27
Indeed, but also the important bit ;)

Happy buffing! :eyebrows:

Marco.

struth
06-01-2017, 10:57
Indeed, but also the important bit ;)

Happy buffing! :eyebrows:

Marco.

Never seen those pencils before. Look useful.

Lawrence001
12-01-2017, 11:27
Where can you get isopropyl alcohol these days the old fashioned chemist shop has long gone (I used to have a 1930s chemistry experiments for boys book when I was young but when I went to Boots to buy the sulphuric acid, litmus paper etc required I wasn't very successful).


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walpurgis
12-01-2017, 11:32
Where can you get isopropyl alcohol these days the old fashioned chemist shop has long gone (I used to have a 1930s chemistry experiments for boys book when I was young but when I went to Boots to buy the sulphuric acid, litmus paper etc required I wasn't very successful).


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ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Isopropyl-Alcohol-Isopropanol-99-9-ACS-50ml-250ml-500ml-1-litre-adapters-/142123665092?var=&hash=item21173b06c4:m:mWoCLUGZuSV6taNS3T0nIPg

Jimbo
12-01-2017, 11:37
Got my fibre glass pen this week.

Marco, this really is a superb tool for cleaning valve pins. No chemicals or mess!

:cool:

The Black Adder
12-01-2017, 12:15
+1 to the pen. Had one for quite a while thanks to Marco. Works a treat.

Marco
12-01-2017, 23:08
Got my fibre glass pen this week.

Marco, this really is a superb tool for cleaning valve pins. No chemicals or mess!

:cool:

Well, what did you expect as a recco from me? ;)

Nice one. Glad it worked :)

Marco.

Marco
12-01-2017, 23:10
ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Isopropyl-Alcohol-Isopropanol-99-9-ACS-50ml-250ml-500ml-1-litre-adapters-/142123665092?var=&hash=item21173b06c4:m:mWoCLUGZuSV6taNS3T0nIPg

Or Maplins, in large spray cans. That's where I buy mine :)

Marco.

agk
21-01-2017, 13:28
Hmm, I've got one of those in my soldering kit. Must get busy. Good shout Marco me old China.

OD1
23-01-2017, 11:49
Just ordered a pen.
Thanks for the recco Marco :)

After cleaning my valve pins, I will rinse with full fat coke (got loads of the stuff now I'm on the Diet version to chase my Rum :eyebrows:) & when dry Deoxit.

Do you just spray on the Deoxit, or wipe with a clean cloth ?

Marco
23-01-2017, 13:12
No worries, matey. I just Deoxit'd them and wiped the pins with a dry, clean cloth. Either that, or spray thoroughly with some Isopropyl alcohol, which will remove any remaining 'residue', and leave to evaporate and dry naturally :)

Also, always remember to clean the glass tubes themselves afterwards, to prevent fingerprints becoming 'baked onto' them when the valves become hot! ;)

And, for that reason, always install your cleaned valves, either with thin gloves on, or with a cloth held against them.

Marco.

OD1
25-01-2017, 18:22
I always use gloves when handling valves, I treat them like I would old school car headlight bulbs;)
I use the cotton gloves I received with my Proac speakers (nice touch I thought at the time ).

Just finished cleaning the valve pins, put them back in, nice improvement especially mid range detail :D

Now where did I put that bottle of Appletons ?????

PS: Tomato Ketchup is also good for cleaning metal :eek: