Klotz Mc5000 sonics

[Floyddroid]

I have a metre length of this interconnect which I simply can't make my mind up about it. I find it over smooth when used with my Firebottle phono stage. Let me know your thoughts.

[brian2957]

What plugs are fitted to them Steve . I fit either Rhodium MS Audio , silver MS Audio . and gold plated plugs to these cables . All change the sonic character of the interconnects .

[Floyddroid]

Dunno Brian, i will take some pics and send you them.
What plugs are fitted to them Steve . I fit either Rhodium MS Audio , silver MS Audio . and gold plated plugs to these cables . All change the sonic character of the interconnects .

[brian2957]

OK mate I'll have a look at them and get back to you .

[Bigman80]

I use neutrik, snake and monster plugs lol they're different on each set and I just ordered these to try :

Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161677296429

Sonically I haven't noticed any difference but they all have the same construction material I suppose. I'll let you know if the copper ones make any difference.


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[Floyddroid]

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What plugs are fitted to them Steve . I fit either Rhodium MS Audio , silver MS Audio . and gold plated plugs to these cables . All change the sonic character of the interconnects .

[Gazjam]

Bass can be a bit fruity...which may be exactly what your system needs.
As Brian says the silver plugs counter that somewhat.

[brian2957]

I would try MS Audio silver plugs on these Steve as they will give you more detail and top end sparkle .

[Sovereign]

The look like gold plated Neutrik connectors to me
I mainly use these cables, they gave me a big bold detailed and spacious sound . Better than much
Of what I had tried before.

[brian2957]

Yes they look very much like Neutrik plugs . They're good enough plugs but the MC5000 cable and the MS Audio plugs are a very nice combination .

[DSJR]

I don't think the plugs make much difference to the sonics (they don't here, put it this way) and it's difficult to do a direct comparison with two different lengths* let alone re-wiring the same cable I think, but the MS ones do definitely 'feel' and 'look' better, so they must sound better too, right? I have a couple of cables here which I've tried in different configs and best, less ripe, sonics have been with the two inner conductors carrying the signal hot and return and the outer 'screen' left disconnected. To be fair though, for *me,* connecting the screen at one end made little if any derogatory difference, but it made for a messier connection - I'm still not as neat as Brian ;)

The 'worst' I heard from MC5000 is having both inner connectors together as 'hot' and using the outer screen as return. I found it messy sounding this way I remember, although if asked to do this 'blind,' I'd probably not be able to reliably tell.

* One other thing, continued use does *seem* to make the 'sound' more neutral.. I had an equivalent MG HD1500 made up and when both were new, I definitely got a difference in direct comparison, the MG having more 'sheen' to it. As the weeks became months, the two sounded all but identical on the same system. For me obviously, the Klotz 'won out' because I can buy the wire relatively cheaply and make it up myself.

[Marco]

As Dave says, how these cables are wired, in respect of which end the shield has been connected or not, has a significant impact on their sonic signature. However, to a lesser extent, so do the plugs used.

In my experience (and I've been using these cables on and off now for nearly 2 years), there is an unmatched and satisfying sonic synergy between the Klotz cable itself and the MS Audio silver plugs, which simply doesn't happen when other plugs are fitted.

Also.... Try reversing the cables, so that the end that would normally be plugged into the source (where the shield is connected) is facing AWAY from the source. I find that opens up the sound a little and reduces any tendency for bass 'fruitiness'.

Marco.

[Bigman80]

Well if Marco is using them with his certainly high end gear, they must be a good match.

Going to put some on my interconnects at some point.

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[DSJR]

I can't claim to have 'heard' a difference with the MS plugs, BUT, they're not silly money and the slick feel in use is very much appreciated here. The fall out from Brexit may push the price up nearer to £20 a quad set and that's sad. I still think the £1.50 or so Neutrik is a damned good plug though and recent ones do look posher than they used to.

[Bigman80]

I can't claim to have 'heard' a difference with the MS plugs, BUT, they're not silly money and the slick feel in use is very much appreciated here. The fall out from Brexit may push the price up nearer to £20 a quad set and that's sad. I still think the £1.50 or so Neutrik is a damned good plug though and recent ones do look posher than they used to.
Just paid £20 for a set of 4 rhodium MS Audio plugs.



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[Marco]

Nice one, mate. Let us know how you get on :cool:

Marco.

[Bigman80]

Nice one, mate. Let us know how you get on :cool:

Marco.
Will do,. I also have a set of pure copper plugs I wanted to try. Need more cable though lol

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[Bigman80]

So I stated I was gonna make up a couple of sets of interconnects with different plugs and do a bit of a test. So here goes with my findings:

Klotz 5000 with Monster gold-plated plugs

I've had these running between my DAC and amp for a few weeks and had been very pleased. Bass was deep and treble was crisp and high. Everything seemed to be fine, timing, tone and musically they just fitted right in. Vocally they were pretty much as good as I'd heard from any cable.

Klotz MC5000 with MS Audio Rhodium

What the F@ck ! How can RCA plugs make such a difference ? The MSAudio plugs sounded incredible. Everything all of a sudden is crisp, like frost. Bass is definite. Solid and taught. And the treble, oh the treble is excellent. But the biggest difference is detail. It's like I'm hearing more subtle nuances and there are symbol trills I haven't heard before.

In comparison, the monster plugs sounded like a muddy mess.

I didnt want to like the MSAudios because that means I have to upgrade all of my plugs but I do. They sound great.

Buy some.

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[walpurgis]

Now you need to look at Cardas or Audio Note pure copper cored cable. Then it will all come together.

[Bigman80]

Now you need to look at Cardas or Audio Note pure copper cored cable. Then it will all come together.
Stop it Geoff ! I haven't got the budget to keep upgrading !!!

What are you using ?

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[brian2957]

So I stated I was gonna make up a couple of sets of interconnects with different plugs and do a bit of a test. So here goes with my findings:

Klotz 5000 with Monster gold-plated plugs

I've had these running between my DAC and amp for a few weeks and had been very pleased. Bass was deep and treble was crisp and high. Everything seemed to be fine, timing, tone and musically they just fitted right in. Vocally they were pretty much as good as I'd heard from any cable.

Klotz MC5000 with MS Audio Rhodium

What the F@ck ! How can RCA plugs make such a difference ? What once sounded good now sounds like a muddy mess. Everything all of a sudden is crisp, like frost. Bass is definite. Solid and taught. And the treble, oh the treble is excellent. But the biggest difference is detail. It's like I'm hearing more subtle nuances and there are symbol trills I haven't heard before.

I didnt want to like the MSAudios because that means I have to upgrade all of my plugs but I do. They sound great.

Buy some.

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Try the silver MS Audio plugs if you like a crisp treble .

[danilo]

IF .. a set it and forget it type ?
Then Direct Soldering interconnects .. at both ends.. is THE best most direct connection possible. Also virtually free.
Admittedly this can be a bit of an impediment if one has an OCD audio gear issue though ;)
Well worth considering.

[Marco]

Klotz MC5000 with MS Audio Rhodium

What the F@ck ! How can RCA plugs make such a difference ? What once sounded good now sounds like a muddy mess.


I had to read that a few times before I realised what you were trying to say, and that your (highlighted) comment was about the old plugs, not the new ones! ;)


Everything all of a sudden is crisp, like frost. Bass is definite. Solid and taught. And the treble, oh the treble is excellent. But the biggest difference is detail. It's like I'm hearing more subtle nuances and there are symbol trills I haven't heard before.

I didnt want to like the MSAudios because that means I have to upgrade all of my plugs but I do. They sound great.


Excellent. I've heard the same thing myself, comparing the same cables you've got with different plugs. There's no doubt that the MS Audio plugs gel very well with the MC5000 cables. Like Brian says, if you can be arsed, try the silver plugs, for a little added top-end 'crispness', but the improvement (if any) will be much more subtle this time...

Marco.

[brian2957]

Agreed Marco , but that change will be welcomed by people who appreciate this type of sound . I used the Rhodium plugs for quite a while and IIRC it was you who requested the silver plugs be fitted to some interconnects I was making for you . Now I mostly fit them to this cable .

[Bigman80]

Ah, yes. Sorry it was late and I'd been trying to figure out why the right channel of the turntable kept dropping out. I'd been at that for some time. I'll edit it to make more sense !!

Not sure I'll try the silver ones yet. I'd like to give the equipment I've bought a hood run. I seem to have been swapping bits in and out for ages. I now also have a RCA socket problem on my amp which needs attention.

[Bigman80]

IF .. a set it and forget it type ?
Then Direct Soldering interconnects .. at both ends.. is THE best most direct connection possible. Also virtually free.
Admittedly this can be a bit of an impediment if one has an OCD audio gear issue though ;)
Well worth considering.
Hmm, I like the sound of that, although I wouldn't be too confident of doing it myself.

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[walpurgis]

Stop it Geoff ! I haven't got the budget to keep upgrading !!!

What are you using ?

I have a vast selection of cables. Merlin, Nordost, Cardas, Audioquest, Transparent Audio, Chord, Straightwire, Audio Note, Ixos, QED, Van Den Hul and others too.

[Bigman80]

I have a vast selection of cables. Merlin, Nordost, Cardas, Audioquest, Transparent Audio, Chord, Straightwire, Audio Note, Ixos, QED, Van Den Hul and others too.
Which ones have spent the longest in your system.

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[walpurgis]

Which ones have spent the longest in your system.

Hard to say. I've had them all for years and chop and change.