Yo. Ya dunt spik inglish raht innit?

[walpurgis]

I renewed my TV licence online today. Why, on the website, do they refer to it as a 'license or as 'licensing'? This isn't America FFS!

The encroachment of bad English is all around us. Newscasters describing 'nucular energy', as the yanks do, instead of pronouncing nuclear correctly.

Imported terms like 'Monday thru Friday', instead of Monday to Friday. Yuk!! It stinks! Learn English :steam:.

[Macca]

Forget it. The younger generation are now totally Americanised in their speech. 'May I have?' has become 'can I get?'. A 'schoolboy error' is now a 'Rookie mistake.'

Would be okay if it was done ironically but it isn't.

[Joe]

Forget it. The younger generation are now totally Americanised in their speech. 'May I have?' has become 'can I get?'.

'May I have?' 'Gizza' was the accepted usage when I were a lad.

[Macca]

'Gizza' was always an acceptable ethnic alternative.

[southall-1998]

Internet providings! :D

S.

[struth]

And a lack of please got you a clip across the ear usually

[narabdela]

I just renewed my TV licence online. Why, on the website, do they refer to it as a 'license or as 'licensing'? This isn't America FFS!

The encroachment of bad English is all around us. Newscasters describing 'nucular energy', as the yanks do, instead of pronouncing nuclear correctly.

Imported terms like 'Monday thru Friday', instead of Monday to Friday. Yuk!! It stinks! Learn English :steam:.


I feel your pain. I'm also a spelling and grammar Nazi, which makes things even worse. :(

[Joe]

I just renewed my TV licence online. Why, on the website, do they refer to it as a 'license or as 'licensing'? This isn't America FFS!

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one

The site consistently refers to 'TV licence' as far as I can see:

'You need to be covered by a TV Licence to
watch or record live TV programmes on any channel (including BBC)
download or watch any BBC programmes on iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand.

This applies to any provider you use and any device, including a TV, desktop computer, laptop, mobile phone, tablet, games console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder.

Pay for your TV Licence

A standard TV Licence costs £145.50. Find out about ways to pay. Find out about free, reduced fee and business licences below.'

'Licensing' would appear to be correct usage, as the TV licence licenses you to watch TV.

[Oldpinkman]

I just renewed my TV licence online. Why, on the website, do they refer to it as a 'license or as 'licensing'? This isn't America FFS!

The encroachment of bad English is all around us. Newscasters describing 'nucular energy', as the yanks do, instead of pronouncing nuclear correctly.

Imported terms like 'Monday thru Friday', instead of Monday to Friday. Yuk!! It stinks! Learn English :steam:.

Language evolves in a dynamic world. Have you read Chaucer? My father also believes that English was perfected (and codified) for all time at Dartford Grammar School in 1949. But his English would not have been acceptable to his grandfather.

Your use of "do" as a support verb is relatively modern and is not "old English" (it derives from Welsh or Celtic ). Traditional (proper) English would be "Why on the website, refer they not to it as..."

And "I just renewed" is not really correct. Correct English would be "I have just renewed" - assuming you meant to say that you renewed your tv licence recently, and had not intended to say that you merely renewed your tv licence.

I line up with Stephen Fry on this one. Modern language evolves .

[User211]

Forget it. The younger generation are now totally Americanised in their speech. 'May I have?' has become 'can I get?'. A 'schoolboy error' is now a 'Rookie mistake.'

Would be okay if it was done ironically but it isn't.

That drives me round the twist every time I hear it.

Languages always evolve and the internet dilutes borders. However, "can I get?". WTF?:punch::wanker::spank::nono:

[Beobloke]

I feel your pain. I'm also a spelling and grammar Nazi, which makes things even worse. :(

Tell me about it. "Can I get..." almost drives me to violence and then there's "med-cin" in stead of medicine, "vunnerable" instead of vulnerable, "chuldren" instead of children etc. etc.

However, as pointed out, TV licensing is actually correct, as long as it's a Licence that you end up with!

As to Stephen Fry's comment, language may be changing but I'm not sure it's evolving. I think it's devolving if anything.

And don't get me started on the abomination that is modern apostrophe usage... :steam:

[struth]

As long as its orally legible and polite, then fair enough although i used to constantly correct my kids, and now my daughter does same to hers, so i guess most of it gets through eventually.
Probably a better way than the beating way i got at school. My dad was worse with canings etc. Now no violence anywhere, and i guess we as a species may regret it. Firm but fair short sharp smack did no one harm, and gave you a base line not to cross in both behaviour and linguistic skills

[jandl100]

Read Chaucer, Shakespeare.
Language evolves and changes, hugely.

I am obsessed with PG Wodehouse stories. Even from his later work in the mid 20thC there are distinct changes in grammar and word use compared to today.
In one story, from early 1920's, I think, a very matronly and proper elderly lady went to bed to read a "sex book". I assume that meant a romantic novel back then. Or maybe not. :D

Only old fogies worry about it.
Your grandparents would notice the difference in what you say, should they still be sharing this vale of tears with us.

Nothing is special about the current moment except that you happen to live in it. And that isn't special, either.

[Stryder5]

What about the absence of "t" and "th"

We now have "compuas" and "fings"

[jandl100]

What about the absence of "t" and "th"

We now have "compuas" and "fings"

Well, the lower classes have always bastardised the language. :D

[Beobloke]

In addition, I was always puzzled by who David Cameron represented when he was Prime Minister. He used to talk about leading the "Briddish" people a great deal, but I could never find them in my atlas.

[Wakefield Turntables]

Newkiller instead of nuclear is another :rolleyes:

[Stratmangler]

In addition, I was always puzzled by who David Cameron represented when he was Prime Minister. He used to talk about leading the "Briddish" people a great deal, but I could never find them in my atlas.

Do they come from Bridlington?

[Ali Tait]

One that drives me mad is loose or loosing for lose or losing..

[Oldpinkman]

Tell me about it. "Can I get..." almost drives me to violence and then there's "med-cin" in stead of medicine, "vunnerable" instead of vulnerable, "chuldren" instead of children etc. etc.

However, as pointed out, TV licensing is actually correct, as long as it's a Licence that you end up with!

As to Stephen Fry's comment, language may be changing but I'm not sure it's evolving. I think it's devolving if anything.

And don't get me started on the abomination that is modern apostrophe usage... :steam:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRgs3yp9bbg

:D

[AD Audio]

would of /should of instead of should've, would've, would have /should have etc

[Oldpinkman]

What about the absence of "t" and "th"

We now have "compuas" and "fings"

How much is that "Bad english" and how much dialect? Here in the Languedoc - particularly towards the mountains, we have

Leppengg for "rabbit"

and

Beng for "good"

[Oldpinkman]

One that drives me mad is loose or loosing for lose or losing..

Like Pink Floyd - in "Dogs" on the Animals LP...;)

[walpurgis]

'Licensing' would appear to be correct usage, as the TV licence licenses you to watch TV.

No. I don't agree.

[Marco]

I hate to say it, daftee, but there's bad grammar in the thread title... ;)

Marco.

[Gordon Steadman]

No. I don't agree.

My dictionary says thus:

license verb
he was licensed to sell liquor: permit, allow, authorize, grant/give a licence to, grant/give a permit to, grant/give authorization to, grant/give authority to, grant/give the right to, grant/give leave to, grant/give permission to; warrant, certify, accredit, empower, give power to, entitle, enable, validate, charter, franchise, give the stamp of approval to, give approval to, let; recognize, qualify, sanction; informal OK, rubber-stamp. ANTONYMS ban, forbid.

I'm a spelling and grammar nazi from way back but the s and c always confuse me in this word - or two!

[Stratmangler]

I hate to say it, daftee, but there's bad grammar in the thread title... ;)

Marco.

Don't you mean poor grammar? ;)

[Marco]

Bad, poor - same difference. Neither is wrong in that context.

In terms of the thread title, 'no-one' should've been used, rather than 'nobody'...

Marco.

[Joe]

No. I don't agree.

Then you'll have to take your case up with the editors of the OED:

http://www.oed.com.ezproxy2.londonlibrary.co.uk/view/Entry/107950?redirectedFrom=licensing#eid


The action of license v. in its various senses.

1588 J. Udall Demonstr. Trueth of Discipline ii. 18 Licencing of wandring preachers, is contrary to the word of God.
1761 H. Williams Memorial to Ld. Mayor in J. Entick New Hist. London (1766) IV. 372 The licencing public-houses by the county magistrates.
1777 Parsons Let. in 15th Rep. Royal Comm. Hist. MSS (1896) App. i. 232 The inhabitants..dread the licensing of a theatre as an evil which they would wish to prevent.
1827 in J. A. Picton City of Liverpool: Select. Munic. Rec. (1886) II. 317 Regulations for the licensing of Alehouses.
attrib.
1825 Macaulay Milton in Edinb. Rev. Aug. 344 With a view to the same great object, he attacked the licensing system.
1870 Daily News 5 Dec. Reformatories, and licensing bills, and trades unions, and municipal reforms.
1880 Athenæum 18 Sept. 372/1 The multiplicity of universities and licensing boards is the greatest evil in British and Irish medicine.

[Ali Tait]

Like Pink Floyd - in "Dogs" on the Animals LP...;)

:D

[Ninanina]

You should come to Portsmouth to see how a lot of the locals speak... it's really awful...luckily I only moved here about 20 years ago so I've not been brought up with it

For instance they say: "I'll aves me one of them" :doh:

[Marco]

Hehehe... I love that kinda shit, as it sounds so comical :eyebrows:

Marco.

[Barry]

Bad, poor - same difference. Neither is wrong in that context.

In terms of the thread title, 'no-one' should've been used, rather than 'nobody'...

Marco.

I would have edited the title earlier, but though the OP was being ironic. And any editing so done might have come across as being pedantic.

[Macca]

I would have edited the title earlier, but though the OP was being ironic. And any editing so done might have come across as being pedantic.

Starting a sentence with a conjunction could be seen as somewhat cavalier at this stage in the thread.

[Marco]

I would have edited the title earlier, but though the OP was being ironic. And any editing so done might have come across as being pedantic.

Lol - indeed... But since this place is Pedants R Us, I didn't see a problem! :eyebrows:

Marco.

[walpurgis]

Starting a sentence with a conjunction could be seen as somewhat cavalier at this stage in the thread.

I thought that was an eye infection.

[Beobloke]

I hate to say it, daftee, but there's bad grammar in the thread title... ;)

Marco.

If we're pointing fingers, there's a glaring apostrophe error on the AoS forum's main title page... ;)

[Ali Tait]

Should it not be forums' :D

[Gordon Steadman]

Should it not be forums' :D

Nope, it is only one forum that owns it!! If he means the what's apostrophe, there is nothing wrong with it. It clearly means What is new. Maybe there is ( or perhaps there's) another that I have missed.:rolleyes:

[Marco]

If we're pointing fingers, there's a glaring apostrophe error on the AoS forum's main title page... ;)

Where? :)

Marco.

[Ali Tait]

Nope, it is only one forum that owns it!! If he means the what's apostrophe, there is nothing wrong with it. It clearly means What is new. Maybe there is ( or perhaps there's) another that I have missed.:rolleyes:

Well it was meant as a joke, but never mind.. :lol:

[Lunicycle]

Surely the plural of forum is fora. I only came on this forum looking for tips on a better power supply for a Raspberry Pi.

[Gordon Steadman]

Well it was meant as a joke, but never mind.. :lol:

Yeah, I chose the wrong smiley:)

[Ali Tait]

Surely the plural of forum is fora. I only came on this forum looking for tips on a better power supply for a Raspberry Pi.

Ah well, that opens an even bigger can of worms.

[Gordon Steadman]

Ah well, that opens an even bigger can of worms.



Forget what you can't see I wrote!, I really must remember to read the whole message or did you do a lightning edit?

[Barry]

Surely the plural of forum is fora. I only came on this forum looking for tips on a better power supply for a Raspberry Pi.

The OED states that 'fora' and 'forums' are equally acceptable. However having had a classical education, I prefer to use 'fora'.

[Gordon Steadman]

The OED states that 'fora' and 'forums' are equally acceptable. However having had a classical education, I prefer to use 'fora'.

Sounds too close to Flora and that shouldn't be allowed either:)

[Ninanina]

As I mentioned on another thread...

People saying 'pacific' (ocean) when they mean 'specific'.. :mental:

Makes me mad... :eek:

[Marco]

The OED states that 'fora' and 'forums' are equally acceptable. However having had a classical education, I prefer to use 'fora'.

Each to his or her own, I guess. I hate that as it sounds too stilted and old-fashioned. Also, it reminds me of the latin for 'markets'....

Therefore, my preference is to use the colloquial plural of 'forums'.

Marco.

[Marco]

As I mentioned on another thread...

People saying 'pacific' (ocean) when they mean 'specific'.. :mental:

Makes me mad... :eek:

Jeez - only a halfwit would speak like that!

Marco.

[Barry]

Starting a sentence with a conjunction could be seen as somewhat cavalier at this stage in the thread.

There is no absolute prohibition against starting a sentence with a conjuction:

And did those feet in ancient time,
Walk upon Englands mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On Englands pleasant pastures seen!

And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
Bring me my Arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire!

I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In Englands green & pleasant Land


(Though there may be a couple of missing apostrophes.)

[Macca]

I prefer 'forums'. 'Fora' just looks and sounds wrong to me even though I agree it is technically correct.

[Marco]

+1, and you'd sound like a dork ;)

Marco.

[Ali Tait]

Forget what you can't see I wrote!, I really must remember to read the whole message or did you do a lightning edit?

Yes, replied to Richard, then saw you'd posted in the meantime, so deleted to answer quoting him so it made sense. :)

[Ninanina]

Jeez - only a halfwit would speak like that!

Marco.

True but you hear it all the time though.... :)

[Macca]

+1, and you sound like a dork ;)

Marco.

I'm just going with the vibe.

[Marco]

True but you hear it all the time though.... :)

Lol - you must mix in some strange circles ;)

Marco.

[Gordon Steadman]

Probably French and move the 's' to the previous word or something........:)

[Beobloke]

Where? :)

Marco.

"The Aficionado's Arena".

Unless you did intend it for only one particular aficionado, in which case I apologise and withdraw my objection!

[Barry]

Each to his or her own, I guess. I hate that as it sounds too stilted and old-fashioned. Also, it reminds me of the latin for 'markets'....

Therefore, my preference is to use the colloquial plural of 'forums'.

Marco.

And so it should - forum means an open space, where business or administrative affairs are conducted. Thus a "market", as well as a place for debate.

[Barry]

"The Aficionado's Arena".

Unless you did intend it for only one particular aficionado, in which case I apologise and withdraw my objection!

I thought you might have been referring to the "Curators' Arms" (an area where Members can comment on items posted in The Knowledge). But since there is more than one 'curator', the terminal apostrophe, denoting group possession, is correct.

[Macca]

Could be construed as correct in a self-referential way. Like a pub name such as 'The Traveller's Rest' The traveller is you, as is the aficionado.

I reckon I could get away with that defence is some jurisdictions.

[Marco]

"The Aficionado's Arena".

Unless you did intend it for only one particular aficionado, in which case I apologise and withdraw my objection!

Ah - not sure how that got there! Will fix it now ;)

Marco.

[YNWaN]

"Does nobody understand English now'" - hopefully you realise that this very statement is very poor grammatical English - is it intended to be ironic in some way (because that isn't at all clear)?

[walpurgis]

As people gripe about the thread title, I've changed it. So there!! :lol:

[Ninanina]

As people gripe about the thread title, I've changed it. So there!! :lol:

:rfl::rfl:

Much more fitting Geoff.... :eek:

[walpurgis]

It would appear I've been sabotaged. Now who could have done that? :hmm:

[walpurgis]

Sabotage repaired! :lol:

[Ninanina]

Love the title.... I know people that speak that way unfortunately...

[brian2957]

Yes , so do I , but with a Scottish accent :lol:

[jandl100]

Could be construed as correct in a self-referential way. Like a pub name such as 'The Traveller's Rest' The traveller is you, as is the aficionado.

I reckon I could get away with that defence is some jurisdictions.

+1. That's the way I've always read it.

Although the 3rd from last word in the 2nd sentence should be in not is. :D

[Beobloke]

Ah - not sure how that got there! Will fix it now ;)

Marco.

Well, the incorrect one is now gone, but that's only half the job done! :D ;)

[Marco]

And the rest is. sire?

Marco.

[Macca]

Apostrophe in the correct position.

[Audio Al]

I aint no good at speeling and grandmar ever :)

[brian2957]

'' Not tomorrow but the next again day '' ( Day after tomorrow ) :rolleyes:

[narabdela]

And don't get me started on the abomination that is modern apostrophe usage... :steam:

Why not? Go for it! :thumbsup:

[struth]

'' Not tomorrow but the next again day '' ( Day after tomorrow ) :rolleyes:

you mean yesterday, when all our troubles seemed so far away :)

[Macca]

I had troubles yesterday as well though.

[walpurgis]

I had troubles yesterday as well though.

So did I! Lots of 'em.:eek:

[Marco]

So did I! Lots of 'em.:eek:

Wot happened, dude? Did you sit down on the pan, press a few bad boys out, and then turn round to see that there was only two sheets of bog roll left? :D

Marco.

[Marco]

Well, the incorrect one is now gone, but that's only half the job done! :D ;)

Yesh, but I like it that way... :eyebrows:

Marco.

[walpurgis]

Wot happened, dude? Did you sit down on the pan, press a few bad boys out, and then turn round to see that there was only two sheets of bog roll left? :D

Marco.

Nah. Just grief paying bills and dealing with the council. Hours of pissing about on the blower. All sorted thank goodness. :)

[Marco]

Glad you got it all sorted, mate :)

Marco.

[Oddball]

We are a multicultural society , and we should get used to having to decipher all manner of different speak La