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Paul-H
04-09-2016, 17:57
Hi all

Thought this might be something to warn you of

I have been a seller on eBay for many years and most sales have gone without a hitch as I always follow eBays rules for selling and posting, until now that is, I suddenly got hit and it was a new one for me.

I make a sell a small custom tool used to service an expensive brand of Fountain Pen and have sold hundreds all over world, with only a few going missing and with those the Royal mail paid out so no big issue, until now.

Over the space of about 5 or 6 weeks the same buyer based in Spain bought 6 of them.

All were sent following eBays rules for sellers protection, that is sent to the address provided by PayPal, and sent using a postal service that offers on-line tracking, so royal mail international tracked and signed service was used.

I did not hear from the buyer again, until I suddenly after a few weeks started getting e-mails from PayPal saying the buyer has opened a not received case on each one.

I then checked all the tracking numbers on the royal mail site and every one was listed as delivered.

it now turns out PayPal unlike eBay do not accept the information on the royal mail site because it only lists the PostCode the parcel was delivered to and not the full address.

Also unlike eBay they say I should have photographed the envelope at the time of posting showing the full delivery address and the full postage paid, being in the UK the postage is not added until after I hand the packet over in the post office, I am sure the counter staff would object to me asking for it so I can photograph it.

It now looks like PayPal are going to give all my money back to this buyer and eBay can do nothing about it as they are now 2 different companies and although they claim they offer seller protection there is no option to activate it, it only works if a buyer tries to make a false claim, and as this buyer went via Paypal for his claim they can do nothing about it.

Fortunately my tools are not that expensive but I am still going to lose over £100 for doing nothing wrong. because I am losing the cost of international postage which I have paid out for.

Just a heads up for those of you that sell on eBay.

Do yourself a favour and add this buyer to your blocked bidder list. esjose.bxq6d79

struth
04-09-2016, 19:43
Noted. Its a shame that ebay etc take this attitude. I now dont sell there and sure there are many ohther too.. Not that they will bother, as its only business volume sellers they are interested in now.

Audio Al
04-09-2016, 19:46
I have not sold anything on eBay for about 5 years , Its a minefield , not good

Sorry you have been fleeced :( , Did you not think it was suspicious he ordered 6 individually and not all together ?

mikeyb
04-09-2016, 19:59
I've gave up selling on eBay years ago too. My mate started getting hit with buyers claiming items not arriving and then keeping it and receiving a refund via PayPal, it's far too easy a scam.

daytona600
04-09-2016, 21:05
http://www.screw-paypal.com/international_pages/united_kingdom.html

Oddball
04-09-2016, 21:22
There are still some lovely people on E Bay but over time it has been overtaken by scumbags a plenty !
Sorry to hear about your paypal problems. The powers all with the buyer now

TazSob
05-09-2016, 00:21
This happened to my younger brother twice and the second time his PayPal account was frozen and no explanation was given other than the fact someone had opened a case against him, never got his money back from that account and lost over £600...
He buys faulty mobile phones which he repairs then resold on eBay...he has started using Amazon now and says it's a much better service for both buyer and seller
I used to sell spray guns used for painting vehicles which are not cheap, luckily I didn't have anyone try this me. Was going to list a few car bits so might have to do a collection only deal

TazSob
05-09-2016, 00:23
http://www.screw-paypal.com/international_pages/united_kingdom.html

Thanks for that... Didn't realise it was such a big problem

jandl100
05-09-2016, 06:17
Thanks for he heads-up on this, sorry you got stung. :(

I used to sell a lot on eBay, but very seldom these days.

karma67
05-09-2016, 16:00
i aint taking any chances :lol:
click on the photo to see video.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8174/29442165896_60d5283c1e_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/LRGNaW)IMG_0836 (https://flic.kr/p/LRGNaW) by jamie creighton (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145822004@N02/), on Flickr

Audio Al
05-09-2016, 16:17
:scratch: what is it :scratch:

karma67
05-09-2016, 16:20
its a video,click on the photo :)
for some reason video links to flicker dont play on here so like photobucket ones do.

Paul-H
05-09-2016, 16:34
A wise move

Think I will be doing the same

Getgaff
07-09-2016, 18:04
Sorry to read about this. Surely PayPal are contradicting their own Seller Protection Programme terms?

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full?locale.x=en_GB#11

Points 11.7 & 11.9

skimminstones
07-09-2016, 19:06
Was going to list a few car bits so might have to do a collection only deal

Unfortunately that doesnt help either now. You have to offer paypal payment on ebay and even if offering collection only the buyer can still paypal, collect from you then say they didnt. Even taking a photo with the buyer collecting isnt accepted.

Only thing you can do is refund and cancel any sale if they pay through paypal which leaves you open to negative feedback.

struth
07-09-2016, 19:29
Aye, you can send back paypal and insist on cash on pick up.. just state on ad that is case. Paypal is not ebay now anyway.

Barry
07-09-2016, 21:22
And you don't have to use PayPal. Many eBay sellers don't, preferring bank transfer or even a personal cheque.

Paul-H
08-09-2016, 14:04
PayPal have now concluded their investigations

Having looked at my proof of posting, the Royal Mail Receipt, my proof of delivery Tracking number on Royal mail Tracking Website.

They have decided to find in favour of the buyer and given him his money back, only five more to go now.

Interestingly they say in their e.mail message that if I want I can appeal the decision but when I try to their appeal system does not function, I wonder why ?

This will be the last time I sell on eBay or give PayPal any more money, from now on its buying only but watch out I know how to get my money back now don't I :lol:

struth
08-09-2016, 14:09
They are disgusting people mate... No interest in facts, just that it doesnt cost them anything.

Truckletheuncivil
12-09-2016, 16:08
I never offer international postage on eBay. I use their global shipping program. This means I only have to post the item to their uk warehouse using a tracked service and it is their responsibility from then on. If the buyer claims their item didn't arrive they have to open the case against eBay not me.

Neil McCauley
12-09-2016, 17:14
I never offer international postage on eBay. I use their global shipping program. This means I only have to post the item to their uk warehouse using a tracked service and it is their responsibility from then on. If the buyer claims their item didn't arrive they have to open the case against eBay not me.

Interesting point; not one i was aware of. Thank you

Haselsh1
12-09-2016, 17:28
Yeah, I only use their global shipping thingy now as it is just so easy. Mind you, I've had no problems with anyone abroad so far.

Arkless Electronics
12-09-2016, 17:44
I avoid ebay wherever possible. It can usually be guaranteed that if I have something to sell, which a bit of research into past prices has shown to go for the £200-300 range, I'll end up getting maybe £120.... if it sells at all! Plus buyers have so many protections that they can use either for criminal purposes or just to be a twat that it puts me off even further...