View Full Version : Ooo...these look nice.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-F1rk_cdvrNg/VD_NZpUs6UI/AAAAAAAAJHs/eyweB3J9L98/s1600/g1.jpg
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Let y'all know how they sound when they arrive. :eyebrows:
Mark Grant
20-08-2016, 14:56
Nice warm glow, looks lovely apart from the hair :)
Mark Grant
20-08-2016, 14:57
Dusted it, I cant stand hairs on things.
http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx234/server9/forum-pictures/no-hair-g1_zpsky2w3emv.jpg
walpurgis
20-08-2016, 15:04
I cant stand hairs on things.
That could be taken in so many ways! :eyebrows:
brian2957
20-08-2016, 15:07
What you buying now mate :)
The glowey things in the pics Brian :)
New set of 300Bs
:lol:
Dusted it, I cant stand hairs on things.
http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx234/server9/forum-pictures/no-hair-g1_zpsky2w3emv.jpg
brian2957
20-08-2016, 16:40
The glowey things in the pics Brian :)
New set of 300Bs
These look very nice mate :)
I thought 300Bs had glass envelopes which were tapered and had 'shoulders' at the top. The ones you show in your photo look far more sexy (not that should make any difference to the sound!). :)
Ali Tait
20-08-2016, 17:06
Elrog?
Aye Ali, the Elrogs.
Should bring out what Nicks amp is really capable of.
That's the plan anyways :)
Ali Tait
20-08-2016, 20:50
?
http://vinylsavor.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/elrog-er-300b-first-impressions.html?m=1
walpurgis
20-08-2016, 20:54
Elrog?
From The Lord of The Rings? :)
From The Lord of The Rings? :)
That's Elrond.
Suspect it is some form of Scottish mafia-speak. However to find out more would be a breach of omerta!
walpurgis
20-08-2016, 21:06
That's Elrond.
Suspect it is some form of Scottish mafia-speak. However to find out more would be a breach of omerta!
It's a valve brand actually.:)
Arkless Electronics
20-08-2016, 21:22
I'd never heard of them.... interesting though! http://www.hifistatement.net/feuilleton/item/1239-portrait-of-the-elrog-elektronenroehren-gmbh-and-an-interview-with-dr-klaus-schaffernicht
I'd never heard of them.... interesting though! http://www.hifistatement.net/feuilleton/item/1239-portrait-of-the-elrog-elektronenroehren-gmbh-and-an-interview-with-dr-klaus-schaffernicht
Interesting, though I have no real need for replacement tubes.
Ali Tait
21-08-2016, 03:09
Yes indeed, an interesting take on the 300b - with thoriated tungsten filaments..
I thought 300Bs had glass envelopes which were tapered and had 'shoulders' at the top. The ones you show in your photo look far more sexy (not that should make any difference to the sound!). :)
Traditionally yeah Barry, these are a different take on the 300B.
The boy does like his black. :D. Interesting to see if you think them a big improvement.... Cant beat Telefunken lol
archiesdad
21-08-2016, 09:55
Yes indeed, an interesting take on the 300b - with thoriated tungsten filaments..
Thoriated tungsten filaments? Sounds like a medical condition!
Need to get you over Grant... :)
couple of changes since last time.
brian2957
21-08-2016, 12:18
Aye , just a few :D
Ali Tait
21-08-2016, 12:47
Thoriated tungsten filaments? Sounds like a medical condition!
Like transmitter triodes like the 211 and 845. They glow brightly.
Like transmitter triodes like the 211 and 845. They glow brightly.
So do dangly bits dipped in acetone :eyebrows:
Ali Tait
21-08-2016, 16:54
So do dangly bits dipped in acetone :eyebrows:
Yeah but they won't sound as good...
daytona600
22-08-2016, 10:02
The boy does like his black. :D. Interesting to see if you think them a big improvement.... Cant beat Telefunken lol
Elrogs are made on Telefunken machinery & some of the same staff
excellent valves but £1000+ for a pair new
Superb sound & heard them several times in Mayer £300k amps driving £300k Wolf field coil speakers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDpBfhBG31Y
Yeah but they won't sound as good...
Excellent highs;)
Ali Tait
22-08-2016, 10:25
:D
Should be here next week... :popcorn:
Elrog 300Bs in the house...
Letting amp cool down so I can swap the valves over.
Update with pics to follow.
Ali Tait
29-09-2016, 18:32
:popcorn:
Thomas Meyer is ELROG now.
brian2957
29-09-2016, 19:08
:popcorn: :D
I figure they've blown already...:D;):lol:
I figure they've blown already...:D;):lol:
Not with the SET amp I've got they wont! :)
Read all about the issues the initial batch had...was down to bad current inrush on certain "Frankenstein" valve amps bringing out the worse of the thinner filament wire needed for thoriated tungsten filaments to meet WE 300B spec.
Elrog beefed up production on the second and ongoing production runs, my valves were manufactured a couple of months ago too.
Also, the amp has a "soft start" circuit meaning theres no current inrush switching it on...takes about 20 secs for the heater supply to build up full voltage to the 300Bs.
All good.
First impression?
Major recallibration of whats possible from an amplifier, certainly in what I've heard before.
Seriously.
Holy hell...and that's the valves fresh out the packet.
Now Im hearing what it can REALLY do... Nick sure does make exceedingly nice SET amps.
Some major league synergy going on, genuinely a massive jump from the EH Gold grids I had in before.
Will enjoy them running in.
Ali Tait
29-09-2016, 20:40
Pics!
Send them to me and I'll stuff them in my Lampizator.;)
The ELROG 211s defo sound great in an Audio Note Tomei.
Another very, very good valve is the KR 300B. Great in my Lampi. Gonna try their PX4.
Top notch valves transform valve amps. They really do. Take them from not good to flippin' fab in some cases.
Ali Tait
29-09-2016, 20:45
Yep KR's are great.
brian2957
29-09-2016, 21:04
Pics!
Aye we is waitin on da piccies :D
Tommorow guys sorry.
Up at 5 this morning for work, cream crackered.
Put some pics up tommorow.
There's a 5 o'clock in the morning now?
brian2957
29-09-2016, 21:17
Tommorow guys sorry.
Up at 5 this morning for work, cream crackered.
Put some pics up tommorow.
OK mate look forward to it :)
Thomas Meyer is ELROG now.
http://vinylsavor.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/the-future-of-elrog-tubes.html
S'all good. :)
So...
Happy to see I don't have a useless exotic wood box to find a use for and value put where it belongs!
Much rather have a fully detailed test certificate for matching bias current and plate curves...
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/64ed216479042e4c88f66858da70ebf6_zpslsl0ygkk.jpg
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/b41398f865dd139665ad107056ced0e7_zpszdypbbxz.jpg
Size comparison, a fair bit bigger than a traditional 300B?
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/fe8abaae577a50702ce84bfe3efcaede_zpsf4slo0sz.jpg
The amp before:
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/1_2.jpg
And the new valves:
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/Kit%20pics/Nick%20Amp/20160930_184038_zpsqjjbwufy.jpg
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/Kit%20pics/Nick%20Amp/20160930_184537_zpssoqaosv0.jpg
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/Kit%20pics/Nick%20Amp/20160930_184805_zpshgneqaaf.jpg
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/Kit%20pics/Nick%20Amp/20160930_184822_zpsv82ulzpl.jpg
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/Kit%20pics/Nick%20Amp/20160930_185236_zps6bb1het7.jpg
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/Kit%20pics/Nick%20Amp/20160930_184637_zpscovlmhcg.jpg
And some gratuitous coppery glowey night pics...
Before:
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/Kit%20pics/1_1.jpg
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/Kit%20pics/Nick%20Amp/20160930_190819_zpstiua9j2q.jpg
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/Kit%20pics/Nick%20Amp/20160930_191514_zps2wxsxmyu.jpg
So now I've finnaly blagged a pair and they are here, will enjoy the next couple of weeks and see what the valves do for the systems sound.
Next few weeks will be interesting, been my experience that new valves take some time to fully burn in and even fresh out the packet they have transformed the amp.
Good listening session last night and I'm noticing the top end opening up a bit more... :eek:
Ali Tait
01-10-2016, 08:41
Look great mate, nice glow from the thoriated tungsten filaments. Looking forward to a listen to these.
Very pretty things Gary..:D
That amp has the same on/off switch as a Lampizator.
Looks great, love copper tops.
:wowzer:
Those look lovely ...
brian2957
01-10-2016, 11:29
Beautiful mate , I'll have to get over and see if they sound as good as they look :)
Thebiglebowski
02-10-2016, 19:01
I looked at some Elrogs for the SJS but went with the KR Audios in the end. Would be interested to hear your opinions on them especially if you've heard the KR's.
Next ones I'm going to try are the Western Electrics.
Not heard the KRs Chris, but by all accounts they are really great.
is it the reissue WEs or originals you fancy?
The Elrogs dont sound like the dictionary definition of a 300B to me?
Same organic open midrange, but the top and bottom are as good...its a very dynamic sounding "in the room" sound.
Just music.
Well,
second set of Elrogs went pop, which was disappointing.
Ah well, time to move on.
From discussion here and elsewhere pulled the trigger on a matched pair of these for my power amp.
KR Audio 300B Balloon, by all accounts a pretty good set of power tubes.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JOoAAOSwhqhZ-l~m/s-l1600.jpg
How many hrs did you get Seems strange
Less than 7 months use Grant.
Got refund, so no problem there.
Elrog were nothing but great when it came to Customer Service.
They are quite nicely made aren't they? My KR PX-4s are nice.
But KR 211s look flipping fantastic in the hand, FWIW. Not that I own any.
Where did you source them from?
ELROG seem to have had problems ever since they began. Always reading about people who have had issues with them. Shame.
Why does nobody say the same about a light bulb?
walpurgis
17-01-2018, 19:25
Why does nobody say the same about a light bulb?
Good point. A valve is just a tool, as is the amp it's in. The appearance is not really important.
Somebody will mention meters next! :rolleyes:
:D
I don't use valves so perhaps I'm not the man to see the glow in the same light. I can understand though how seeing it calls all the emotional facets to mind: the gear, the music and the feet up!
They are quite nicely made aren't they? My KR PX-4s are nice.
But KR 211s look flipping fantastic in the hand, FWIW. Not that I own any.
Where did you source them from?
ELROG seem to have had problems ever since they began. Always reading about people who have had issues with them. Shame.
Uk Dealer Audio Emotion in Edinburgh Justin.
I don't use valves so perhaps I'm not the man to see the glow in the same light. I can understand though how seeing it calls all the emotional facets to mind: the gear, the music and the feet up!
The sound man...the sound... :)
*Disclaimer*
Look pretty cool too, which is a bonus!
Less than 7 months use Grant.
Got refund, so no problem there.
Elrog were nothing but great when it came to Customer Service.
good they coughed up. did they have any explanation
good they coughed up. did they have any explanation
New Owner of the Company (last couple of years) took over a troubled Company.
Elrog, at the outset decided to "reinvent" the 300B Valve and go better than the classic Western Electric.
Main guy from Telefunken went out on his own.
They did..but unfortunately due to varying MAYBE too much 300B specs reliability took a nosedive...as did Mr Telefunken unfortunately, and this was probably a factor.
Instability initially thought to be just with a particular collection of amps, they decided to press on.
Nope, still valve failures.
The main Distributor decided to buy the Company over and rejig manufacturing..he believed in the Company and wanted to make things right. Kudos to him.
The guy is genuinely a good guy and wants to let the company grow.
The Elrogs are absolutely next level sound quality...but reliability just wasn't there due to the new technology.
So:
Distributor bought over the Company, and invested his own money into upgrading manufacturing to GET IT RIGHT.
Absolutely to be commended.
Unfortunately in my case, whatever the actual reason, my amp and those valves dont get on.
Kudos to the guy, no complaints on his Customer Service...I know the failure rate since he took over is significantly less.
Refunded what I paid, no bad blood happy to speak good of the Company, the sound quality of his valves are stupendous.
Maybe still work in progress, who knows?
Good luck to the guy, he's doing us audiophiles a good turn.
Anyway, new KRs on their way. :)
Good luck to him. He is doing it the honourable way
Be interested to see what you think of the KRs.
Certainly their PX-4 is extraordinary in terms of dynamics and resolution. Seems to be the house sound. Because the KR 211s I tried a few weeks ago were like that.
Which does surprise me as I have never thought the top KR amps to be particularly dynamic at shows.
I had a non balloon KR 300B in my DAC for a bit too. Easier going that PX-4 but still very good.
The Elrogs in my 211 amp work great and have been very stable with wonderful sound. Maybe something special with the 300Bs?
The Elrogs in my 211 amp work great and have been very stable with wonderful sound. Maybe something special with the 300Bs?
More on the 300Bs here:
http://vinylsavor.blogspot.no/2017/08/deutsche-elektronenrohren-manufaktur.html
Interesting to see the 211 rework. Should look more like a real 211 (sorry) in use. Still looks odd up top though.
One of the hard things about reworking old designs like a 211 is trying to come up with something new that is genuinely better. You have to bear in mind the originals were developed over long time periods by clever people.
In another life I'd have been really curious to get into materials, valve design and electronics with a far greater understanding than I have now.
More on the 300Bs here:
http://vinylsavor.blogspot.no/2017/08/deutsche-elektronenrohren-manufaktur.html
The blog speaks of only one valve failure, thats one less than I had.
Cant speak of anyone else of course.
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