View Full Version : Old or New. Which is best?
walpurgis
17-08-2016, 21:42
Some things are nice to have new. Others are better once older.
New shoes really annoy me, they never feel right. New towels are hopeless, they just don't soak water up properly. I hate new jeans, it takes me about three months to get them how I like them. Cheese, I like it better if kept a while. Don't like new toothbrushes either.
Bread has to be very fresh for me, even 24 hours old is too old. Same with salad, it just does not seem right unless eaten immediately. Tools, yes, I like new tools, I'm always buying them.
As for vehicles and Hi-Fi, I'm not fussed as long as they do the job! :)
Some shoes need wearing in, thats for sure... towels need washing a dozen times to get them to work. Most of my towels are old for a reason lol. I like getting new techy stuff, or at least new to me.
For me, in most things, especially design, I either like ultra-modern or traditional/vintage. In general, I hate the stuff in between, as it tends to be naff! I also like to combine traditional with contemporary :)
For example, we're in the middle (with some professional help) of designing our own bespoke kitchen from scratch, and will be going for something along the lines of this look (see the units on the right-hand side and far left of the picture), in duck-egg blue, but with brushed-stainless steel handles, solid-oak wooden worktops and white dual-Belfast sinks, etc. However, the kitchen will be fitted with modern 'state-of-the-art' appliances, mostly from Miele.
Hence the combining of 'old' and new, whilst creating a 'country look'.....
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/921/qZMxKw.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/plqZMxKwj)
Should be nice when it's done, but it'll be a big project, as we'll be starting from an empty shell! :eek:
Marco.
In terms of literature, old is definitely best. Shakespeare in particular.
:lolsign:
Aye - I've got some Shakespeare bog roll!
Marco.
:lolsign:
Aye - I've got some Shakespeare bog roll!
Marco.
It'll be holey grail type then? :D
Might become an hairloom?
:lolsign:
Aye - I've got some Shakespeare bog roll!
Marco.
" Alas poor bog roll, I used it well "
It'll be holey grail type then? :D
Might become an hairloom?
Lol.... It's rather rough and shiny, like Izal, so prone to skating off yer arse, during J-wipage, and 'spreading', rather than wiping, causing skidders later in yer shcanties :eyebrows:
Marco.
walpurgis
18-08-2016, 22:46
I just found a pack of old sausage rolls my daughter hid in the fridge. I think new is definitely better! :)
prestonchipfryer
19-08-2016, 07:27
Yes fresh bread is lovely. We get ours from a local independent bakery. Lovely with butter. And new socks are always nice as the washing machine eats them for a pastime. :)
StanleyB
19-08-2016, 22:05
However, the kitchen will be fitted with modern 'state-of-the-art' appliances, mostly from Miele.
Good call. Mind you, I had to get a double oven from a different company. When the builders were ready for me to start ordering the appliances, Miele had stopped making the double oven I had planned to get. The WT 2789 i is a lovely washer-dryer, and super quiet ;). I bought my Miele bits through a company that I knew from the trade. They were about 20% to 30% cheaper than the local Miele dealer. PM me if you want their details for your own research. I used my business details to set up an account, so you should have no problem doing the same :eyebrows:.
For me, in most things, especially design, I either like ultra-modern or traditional/vintage. In general, I hate the stuff in between, as it tends to be naff! I also like to combine traditional with contemporary :)
For example, we're in the middle (with some professional help) of designing our own bespoke kitchen from scratch, and will be going for something along the lines of this look (see the units on the right-hand side and far left of the picture), in duck-egg blue, but with brushed-stainless steel handles, solid-oak wooden worktops and white dual-Belfast sinks, etc. However, the kitchen will be fitted with modern 'state-of-the-art' appliances, mostly from Miele.
Hence the combining of 'old' and new, whilst creating a 'country look'.....
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/921/qZMxKw.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/plqZMxKwj)
Should be nice when it's done, but it'll be a big project, as we'll be starting from an empty shell! :eek:
Marco.
Actually I'm surprised... the photo example is Neither of the claimed 'desired' choices.
A strikingly poor design/effort actually..a below Mediocre result Gongealed Vomit Granite, Goofy carved cabinet doors,what's up with that? , A circular eating slab, with a table next to it.. Really!?
MY professional opinion is:.. it's laughable. Like it or not :-)
No offense being intended.. but the Designer choice is critical. The risk of ending up with an expensive Crap result is all too familiar. Worse the designer will have you believing: 's Great!.. as if.
Use the V best skills that you can afford. There are many massively skilled individuals 'out there' unbeknownst to the general bourgeoisie..contact professional associations for lists of suitable members if at a loss where to begin.
Then... Tour some (at least 3!) of the designers' previous /current projects.
Absolutely No issue to check out current and past projects and talk with the clients ....when dealing with a reputable/skilled designer .
Most demand that level of involvement /research of their prospective Clients. I certainly do /did.
There's NO using relatives' or some friends' friend as a final heads' up :-)
G'luck
Good call. Mind you, I had to get a double oven from a different company. When the builders were ready for me to start ordering the appliances, Miele had stopped making the double oven I had planned to get. The WT 2789 i is a lovely washer-dryer, and super quiet ;). I bought my Miele bits through a company that I knew from the trade. They were about 20% to 30% cheaper than the local Miele dealer. PM me if you want their details for your own research. I used my business details to set up an account, so you should have no problem doing the same :eyebrows:.
Nice one, Stan. Our main appliances have always been from Miele and Bosch, as they're top notch and very reliable. In that area, you get what you pay for! :)
Thanks for the offer, that's very good of you. I'll pop you a PM :)
Marco.
Actually I'm surprised... the photo example is Neither of the claimed 'desired' choices.
A strikingly poor design/effort actually..a below Mediocre result Gongealed Vomit Granite, Goofy carved cabinet doors,what's up with that? , A circular eating slab, with a table next to it.. Really!?
No, not "really"... I did say to ignore the rest and only look at the 'duck egg' blue units! And purely for the colour... None of the other stuff you mention will be in the kitchen. The picture posted was just representing a few of the ideas we may implement into the design.
It's more likely to look like this, but not identical to this either (for starters the worktops will be solid oak, in a darker finish than what's shown in the pictures, and the sink area will be slate-tiled, and our cooker will stainless steel in appearance):
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/921/aQS2LO.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/plaQS2LOj) http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/1e2qZD.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pn1e2qZDj)
Marco.
Looks like a proper cooks kitchen... nice shade, and it gets my approval, in the right kind of house. would look silly in mine mind lol, but in , say, Marco's house it will be spot on I think.
Mind you, I would say that, as I have taste ;)
When I was researching my new kitchen I asked some of the younger women at work what they would choose. My thinking being that I don't care what the new kitchen looks like as long as it is easy to keep clean, but if I sell the house I want a kitchen that the prospective young couple purchasing it (especially the female) will find acceptable. Lets face it, if she doesn't like the kitchen they won't be buying the house.
The verdict was they like white units and dark counter tops and floors because that enables them to add their own touch by adding utensils of any particular colour (all green, or all red, for example) against a neutral backing. This is something I wasn't aware of previously. They were less concerned about whether the overall look was modern or retro, or whether the sinks were Belfast types or not. Or if the fixed appliances were stainless steel, or white.
Obviously if your concern is a kitchen that you like the look of then go for that, but it may make it harder to sell the house, should you want to at some point.
What's "Belfast sink"?
The type of sink shown in the pictures in Marco's post, post 16
What's "Belfast sink"?
A big rectangular one with deep sides made of porcelain type material, like in the pic
A big rectangular one with deep sides made of porcelain
As distinct from circular ones? In my parents' first house (a large Victorian four story building), there was a large rectangular sink made of stone in the kitchen.
Would probably make a good plinth for a turntable today.
Would probably make a good plinth for a turntable today.
LOL - The true enthusiast asesses every object he sees on its suitability for use in a hi-fi system.
Aye, i knew someone who, every van he saw he would comment as to whether it would "CAMPER" well :eyebrows:
walpurgis
20-08-2016, 09:36
Aye, i knew someone who, every van he saw he would comment as to whether it would "CAMPER" well :eyebrows:
The same thought crosses my mind occasionally. I'd love to turn an LWB Defender into a camper of sorts.
walpurgis
20-08-2016, 09:37
LOL - The true enthusiast asesses every object he sees on its suitability for use in a hi-fi system.
Definitely! :D
The same thought crosses my mind occasionally. I'd love to turn an LWB Defender into a camper of sorts.
Have to admit it does with me, or did on occasion. I used to have a old bedford converted to a camper...it had been a mobile shop i think original conversion. Was a great motor...didnt go all that fast but it went up hills as well as anything
Actually I'm surprised... the photo example is Neither of the claimed 'desired' choices.
A strikingly poor design/effort actually..a below Mediocre result Gongealed Vomit Granite, Goofy carved cabinet doors,what's up with that? , A circular eating slab, with a table next to it.. Really!?
MY professional opinion is:.. it's laughable. Like it or not :-)
No offense being intended.. but the Designer choice is critical. The risk of ending up with an expensive Crap result is all too familiar. Worse the designer will have you believing: 's Great!.. as if.
Use the V best skills that you can afford. There are many massively skilled individuals 'out there' unbeknownst to the general bourgeoisie..contact professional associations for lists of suitable members if at a loss where to begin.
Then... Tour some (at least 3!) of the designers' previous /current projects.
Absolutely No issue to check out current and past projects and talk with the clients ....when dealing with a reputable/skilled designer .
Most demand that level of involvement /research of their prospective Clients. I certainly do /did.
There's NO using relatives' or some friends' friend as a final heads' up :-)
G'luck
It's always a pleasure to read you calm, measured and impartial posts Danilo.
LOL - The true enthusiast asesses every object he sees on its suitability for use in a hi-fi system.
Whenever I see an empty room, I think 'Now, would that room be better if the speakers were firing lengthways, or across the width of the room?'
Personally, I have no clue at all about design, but one thing that's clear is that nothing dates faster than 'cutting edge'. After a couple of years it's in B&Q, and after ten years it begins to have a certain kitschy, period charm.
In my parents' kitchen, there was barely room to swing a cat. This was before there was such as thing as kitchen design, but my father fitted a cupboard to add a bit of storage space'; inevitably I'd bang my head on it getting up from the kitchen table. After we'd all moved out, my parents got rid of the cupboard, but for years afterwards I'd instinctively duck when getting up from the table.
Looks like a proper cooks kitchen... nice shade, and it gets my approval, in the right kind of house. would look silly in mine mind lol, but in , say, Marco's house it will be spot on I think.
Mind you, I would say that, as I have taste ;)
Cheers, mate. We hope it'll all come together nicely. We're going for what one could call the 'contemporary country look', which we think will suit the house quite well.
It'll defo be a 'cook's kitchen', as we do a lot of cooking and entertaining friends and family! In reality, the woodwork will be less 'pastel' looking than in the picture, and also with a slightly more 'greeny' hue. I'll take some pics and post them when it's all finished :cool:
If you lived closer, we'd have invited you over for a meal :)
Marco.
What's "Belfast sink"?
Surprised a man of your calibre was unfamiliar with such :)
As Grant has described, although ours will de a dual one, with mixer tap:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/gqZK5G.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pngqZK5Gj)
We think they look pretty cool :cool:
Marco.
Surprised a man of your calibre was unfamiliar with such :)
As Grant has described, although ours will de a dual one, with mixer tap:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/gqZK5G.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pngqZK5Gj)
We think they look pretty cool :cool:
Marco.
I didn't know they had names as such. :o
My parents had (a single) one in their first house.
When I was researching my new kitchen I asked some of the younger women at work what they would choose. My thinking being that I don't care what the new kitchen looks like as long as it is easy to keep clean, but if I sell the house I want a kitchen that the prospective young couple purchasing it (especially the female) will find acceptable.
I think that approach makes a lot of sense, but it always amuses me how interior design/decor is almost automatically considered as a 'female thing', because 'men don't have a clue'... That's a rather British thing, I feel, as for example, a lot of French and Italian people I know have a big passion for home interiors, as indeed I do - in fact, these days I'm probably into it more than hi-fi! ;)
As usual in our house, we make decisions together, 50-50, and so that's exactly what'll be happening with this new kitchen, although I'll be more heavily involved with the choice of paint colours, wood finishes and accessories chosen, such as the handles on drawers, etc, which will look a bit like this (only more 'burnished'):
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/6FNfxz.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pm6FNfxzj)
I enjoy co-ordinating stuff like that, as I find that the small details really personalise a design and make it stand out. I'm also quite good at that stuff, as I'm used to being involved in such with my job. Del will mainly be in charge of the appliances chosen (as she's the one who'll be using them the most), and the general layout of the kitchen.
We did this with our black and white 'Art Deco' style bathroom, which you've seen, and the 'team effort' worked out well. Luckily we have pretty similar tastes, so are usually singing from the same song sheet! :cool:
Marco.
Arkless Electronics
20-08-2016, 16:38
I think that approach makes a lot of sense, but it always amuses me how interior design/decor is almost automatically considered as a 'female thing', because 'men don't have a clue'... That's a rather British thing, I feel, as for example, a lot of French and Italian people I know have a big passion for home interiors, as indeed I do - in fact, these days I'm probably into it more than hi-fi! ;)
As usual in our house, we make decisions together, 50-50, and so that's exactly what'll be happening with this new kitchen, although I'll be more heavily involved with the choice of paint colours, wood finishes and accessories chosen, such as the handles on drawers, etc, which will look a bit like this (only more 'burnished'):
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/6FNfxz.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pm6FNfxzj)
I enjoy co-ordinating stuff like that, as I find that the small details really personalise a design and make it stand out. I'm also quite good at that stuff, as I'm used to being involved in such with my job. Del will mainly be in charge of the appliances chosen (as she's the one who'll be using them the most), and the general layout of the kitchen.
We did this with our black and white 'Art Deco' style bathroom, which you've seen, and the 'team effort' worked out well. Luckily we have pretty similar tastes, so are usually singing from the same song sheet! :cool:
Marco.
'Cos like myself most blokes couldn't give a flying fuck about it!!
I didn't know they had names as such. :o
My parents had (a single) one in their first house.
Lol - no worries. They're 'proper-sized' sinks you can actually get something in, unlike the diddy-little excuses for sinks you get these days in most modern homes/kitchens! :rolleyes:
That's mainly because most folk now use dishwashers. Yes, we'll have a dishwasher, but it's nice also to have the option of using a 'sink as a sink', if you get me? :)
Marco.
'Cos like myself most blokes couldn't give a flying fuck about it!!
Haha - well, I'm very glad to be different!! :ner::D
Marco.
Arkless Electronics
20-08-2016, 16:56
Haha - well, I'm very glad to be different!! :ner::D
Marco.
Aye you'll be showing us your collection of Laura Ashley next! The worrying thing is they apparently make dresses as well as pillow cases and table cloths :eek::D
Yes, my wife sometimes wears her dresses... We also both rather like her fabrics (and paint), and intend to buy a Laura Ashley sofa for our lounge, so it's strange you should mention LA! :eyebrows:
This is the sofa we fancy (Langham Grande) in 'Keynes Berry' fabric, just hover your mouse over said fabric to see what the sofa looks like: http://www.lauraashley.com/uk/made/furniture/sofas/p/langham-upholstered-grande-sofa/fabrics?colour=cranberry-reds+eau-de-nil-greens+mauves-purples&page=3
Bear in mind that we live in a 19th century lodge, and the lounge has old oak beams, inglenook fireplace, etc, and is full of antiques, including me! :D
So anything we put in there has to be traditional in style.
Marco.
I think that will look good in your Kitchen, Marco. Although I quite like the rustic look you have now, it probably does need updating.
I do appreciate a bit of quality interior design. Problem I have is that my house isn't worth enough money to be doing anything fancy with it. And if I did out it how I wanted it (sort of tasteful 'Seventies retro) it wouldn't appeal much to a lot of buyers.
Arkless Electronics
20-08-2016, 18:55
I'm going to have to post some photos of old and new oily motorbike engines shortly... just to put this train back on the rails before Marco's transformation into loyd Grossman becomes irreversible :D
I'm going to have to post some photos of old and new oily motorbike engines shortly... just to put this train back on the rails before Marco's transformation into Lloyd Grossman becomes irreversible :D
He'll be bringing out a range of overpriced 'cook in sauces' next! :lol:
I think that will look good in your Kitchen, Marco. Although I quite like the rustic look you have now, it probably does need updating.
Yes it certainly is "rustic" :eek: :eyebrows:
We've been wanting to do this for a while, but not had sufficient time to commit fully to a project of this size, and carry it out the way want, so we're looking forward to getting stuck in!
I do appreciate a bit of quality interior design. Problem I have is that my house isn't worth enough money to be doing anything fancy with it. And if I did out it how I wanted it (sort of tasteful 'Seventies retro) it wouldn't appeal much to a lot of buyers.
Funny you should mention that, as we were thinking about that as a theme, but it wouldn't really have suited the rest of our house. Done right, in the right surroundings, it could look cool, though! :cool:
Marco.
He'll be bringing out a range of overpriced 'cook in sauces' next! :lol:
I've been practicing the accent for 'Through the Keyhole' all weekend :D
Marco.
Arkless Electronics
20-08-2016, 21:13
I've been practicing the accent for 'Through the Keyhole' all weekend :D
Marco.
..."who lives in a man cave like this" that would be a more interesting version...
Anyway you've got some work to do on that accent Weegie lad:D
I think that approach makes a lot of sense, but it always amuses me how interior design/decor is almost automatically considered as a 'female thing', because 'men don't have a clue'... That's a rather British thing, I feel, as for example, a lot of French and Italian people I know have a big passion for home interiors, as indeed I do - in fact, these days I'm probably into it more than hi-fi! ;)
As usual in our house, we make decisions together, 50-50, and so that's exactly what'll be happening with this new kitchen, although I'll be more heavily involved with the choice of paint colours, wood finishes and accessories chosen, such as the handles on drawers, etc, which will look a bit like this (only more 'burnished'):
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/6FNfxz.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pm6FNfxzj)
I enjoy co-ordinating stuff like that, as I find that the small details really personalise a design and make it stand out. I'm also quite good at that stuff, as I'm used to being involved in such with my job. Del will mainly be in charge of the appliances chosen (as she's the one who'll be using them the most), and the general layout of the kitchen.
We did this with our black and white 'Art Deco' style bathroom, which you've seen, and the 'team effort' worked out well. Luckily we have pretty similar tastes, so are usually singing from the same song sheet! :cool:
Marco.
Not necessarily true Marco. My late father was not only very practical with his hands when it came to doing woodwork and metalwork, he was also quite artistic. He designed and made several items of furniture for the living room, and when they had the kitchen extended to become a kitchen/diner, he not only designed the layout but made the kitchen units himself.
Sadly, I inherited only some of his practicality.
walpurgis
20-08-2016, 21:19
Not necessarily true Marco. My late father was not only very practical with his hands when it came to doing woodwork and metalwork, he was also quite artistic. He designed and made several items of furniture for the living room, and when they had the kitchen extended to become a kitchen/diner, he not only designed the layout but made the kitchen units himself.
Sadly, I inherited only some of his practicality.
Funny how things work out. It's the opposite here. The old man was a maths and electronics genius, but his practical skills were not great to say the least. Yet my brother and I can build virtually anything.
Not necessarily true Marco. My late father was not only very practical with his hands when it came to doing woodwork and metalwork, he was also quite artistic. He designed and made several items of furniture for the living room, and when they had the kitchen extended to become a kitchen/diner, he not only designed the layout but made the kitchen units himself.
Sadly, I inherited only some of his practicality.
No argument there, Barry. However, I wasn't talking about practicality; I was talking about the notion of men 'not giving two fucks' about interior design, as it's a 'woman's thing'. I agree with Jez, as 20 years of working in the field, selling art products/framing to people, proves that 8 times out of 10, he's right.
The amount of times I've been told by males, when round at the homes of clients seeking to buy some artwork for their rooms: "It's not up to me, mate, it depends what the 'boss' thinks", or complete apathy/indecisiveness when asked by 'her indoors' to choose something, is staggering!
However, that mostly happens when the clients are British. Foreigners, particularly Latin-males, tend to care about such things and seek to be more involved in the decision making process :)
For me, I really enjoy having a nice space to live in, which is tidy, comfy, has my 'signature' on it, and puts a smile on my face every time I 'open the door and step in' (much like my car) :cool:
Marco.
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