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Barry
13-08-2016, 17:18
This is something I wrote for another forum a while ago now, but given the recent discussion of the Decca Mk. V cartridge, I though it might be of interest to Members here.



“Something old, something new, something borrowed, something Blue”

Recently I have had the pleasure of listening to two cartridges that despite having ‘Blue’ in their title, could not be more different: a Decca Mk. V, a ‘cantilever-less’ design fitted with a spherical tip (also known as the Decca 'Blue)' and a Sumiko ‘Blue Point Special’, possessing a long cantilever fitted with an elliptical tip.


Something old and something Blue

Having previously written enthusiastically and in depth of the Decca Mk VI (a.k.a the Decca ‘Gold’), and having loaned the cartridge (fitted in the GB mounting block) to a friend, I wanted to see if the Decca ‘magic’ could be supplied by the humbler version fitted with a 15μm spherical tip: the Decca ‘Blue’. My sample is at least 25 years old and was bought with the intention of sending it off to Australia to the (late) Garrott brothers for them to fit a Weinz parabolic stylus and generally give the cartridge their ‘make-over’ (the standard of workmanship of Decca’s at that time was, quite frankly, appalling). In the end I had such work done on another sample: unfortunately I can’t find it (!)

Suspecting that in the absence of the GB mounting block referred to in the previous report and owing to their low compliance, Decca’s might benefit from additional mass, either through using a heavy headshell or a headshell weight. I somewhat perversely chose to mount the cartridge in an empty EMT headshell (EMT TSD-G) and use this with an EMT/SME bayonet adapter. The Decca was fitted to the headshell using Decca’s own plastic mounting hardware as shown in the following photograph.

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Decca’s use a three-wire system. Depending on one’s system it may be sufficient to ignore one or other of the return connections (the blue and green coloured leads), for my system it is essential that both return leads are connected to the common terminal, and to do this both were soldered to the contact lug.

The cartridge/headshell/adapter assembly was fitted to an SME 3009/II arm and was easily balanced using a double set of tracking force weights. Tracking was set at 3g with 1.5g of bias correction. The arm was fitted with the FD200 damping dashpot with which the black damping paddle was used, providing the lightest damping. VTA was set ensuring the arm was exactly parallel with the record surface. Overhang was set using the sliding bedplate of the arm, using a two-point alignment protractor. Azimuth was also set at the arm, rather than at the headshell, using a mirror.

With compliance figures of 12cu lateral and 5cu vertical and with an overall cartridge/headshell/adapter mass of 22.6g, the LF resonances are calculated to be 8.5Hz lateral, 13.2Hz vertical; not ideal but I encountered no problems (possibly helped by the damping used).

The Decca ‘Blue’ has an output of 7.5mV at 5cm/sec with a recommended loading of 50KΩ. I ran it into the moving magnet input of a Quad 44 preamp providing 47KΩ with the option of switching in 180pF of capacitance. I used the latter loading but the effect is very small: quite different to my experience with the Decca Gold. I shall revisit the Gold to try to understand why I found it necessary to use an enormous amount of capacitive loading, however then I was using a Quad 33 preamp, this time I used a Quad 44 for the RIAA equalisation stage, which in turn feeds a Levinson ML28 preamp.

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I must at this point mention that the integrity of the cartridge-arm connections is vital and of paramount importance. Initially I was plagued with all sorts of random and alarming clicks, pops and bangs (possibly due to static discharge), hum when the arm was handled and the whole arm/cartridge seemed especially microphonic, producing uncomfortable handling noises. Furthermore, at times, the midrange could appear recessed, distant and ‘hollow’. I traced the problem to an imperfect mating of the EMT headshell to the EMT/SME adapter; the bayonet fixing here has to be tightly made. Once corrected the set-up proved to be well behaved and an absolute delight to use.

So to the musical performance – once again that indefinable Decca ‘magic’ was there, not to the quite the same extent as that displayed by the Gold, but was there nonetheless. Treble was very well behaved with no ‘nasties’ and when I did hear the occasional tracing distortion that was due to the record being in less than perfect condition. Transient attack was as good as ever, if not quite so ‘jaw dropping’ as the Gold. Bass performance was however on a par with the Gold. The sense of presence was there too, though again not to the same extent as that provided by the Gold. Soundstage was wide, deep and stable, possibly deeper than that displayed by the Gold. The tracking of the Blue particularly impressed me, especially as Deccas are not known for their tracking abilities, and one would expect a spherical tipped stylus not to have as good a tracking ability as one with an elliptical tip. There was no ‘end of side’ distortion. As mentioned with the Decca Gold, owing to the very small clearance between the underside of the cartridge and the record surface, all Deccas need to have their styli cleaned regularly.

Once again there was the ‘fun’ or ‘hugely enjoyable’ effect at work – I just wanted to play LP after LP. Deccas seem to ably portray a sense of timing and rhythm to what ever is being played that, when appropriate, has you tapping your toe and generally just moving to the music. It involves you. I don’t believe the Deccas to be the most tonally accurate of cartridges, but they have that certain something, a life or a presence, that I like to call the ‘Decca magic’.

The next step will be to replace the Blue with the Gold, retaining the same set up (apart from tracking force) to compare the two. One thing is for sure, I’m always going to have a Decca set up and available from now on, even though I believe my moving coil cartridges to be more ‘accurate’.


Something new, something borrowed and something Blue

This is the Sumiko ‘Blue Point Special’ (also known as BPS): ‘new’ to me and ‘borrowed’ as it was on loan for a short period (about three weeks) for audition. It is not the latest version of the BPS the Evo III, but its predecessor.

It is a high output (2.5mV) moving coil cartridge of moderate compliance (12cu), fitted with a 7.5 x 18μm tip. It is designed to operate into a conventional moving magnet input of 47KΩ.

It came already fitted into an SME S2-R headshell (mass 8g) and was set up in an SME 3009/II arm and tracked at 2g. Bias compensation was set to half this amount. Again very light damping was used. Calculated LF resonance in this set-up is an ideal 9.5Hz.

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Being on loan, I was reluctant to fuss and fiddle with this arrangement; especially, as can be seen, the generator is naked with a cantilever 4mm long that is almost asking to be snapped! I should add that the cartridge comes with no stylus protection whatsoever. Quite frankly I regard this as the height of arrogance by the manufacturer to fail to provide even the most palliative measures to protect such a vulnerable cantilever. How do they suppose you fit this cartridge to a fixed headshell arm, with the arm in situ?

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On a technical level this cartridge is hard to fault, especially at the price (~ £250). It offers a wide seamless bandwidth with a smooth unforced treble. Bass is solid and taut, if not especially deep (but then the speakers I use are not particularly revealing in this aspect). Midrange is detailed and the sense of dynamics adequately well portrayed. The soundstage is acceptably wide and deep, though I have heard better with some other cartridges.

Tracking capability of this cartridge is good: it was never caught out. Being a loan item, I was reluctant to experiment with the tracking force. The 2g used was recommended by the owner, who incidentally commented that the cartridge sounded better in my system than in his.

Given the reasonable cost of this cartridge, the technical performance is nigh on perfect and I could recommend it wholeheartedly were it not for a fatal flaw: the cartridge simply did not engage me. There were several occasions when I found myself just not paying attention to what was being played – quite the opposite to the Decca. Neither did I want to follow LP after LP after LP, again the opposite to the environment created by the Decca.

So here we have a bit of a dilemma, on the one hand we have a cartridge, the Decca, that is not the most accurate of transducers, yet has the ability to get to the heart and soul of what is being played and on the other hand the Sumiko, which whilst technically better, seems to rob LPs of their life and enjoyment.

I am reluctant to have to leave my findings ‘up in the air, perhaps if I had had more time to experiment with VTF and VTA I might have improved matters. However the cartridge was not mine and with its vulnerable cantilever just using it, and keeping it clean was enough for me! I do wonder if the cartridge might benefit from mounting in something like a Breuer arm – something I would like to do, though it’s not for the faint hearted as I have explained.


Conclusion

I don’t want to score these cartridges since the Decca was used in a non-standard headshell, and the Sumiko was probably not given the opportunity to show its best. Both are worth investigating; you may find your impressions differ to mine.


Equipment used

Turntable
Thorens 124/II mounted in self-designed ‘open frame’ plinth,

Pick up arm
SME 3009/II, fitted with FD200 damping dashpot,

Pre-amp
Quad 44, fitted with MM input card, used as a phono stage feeding a Mark Levinson ML28 preamplifier,

Power amp
Quad 405-2, lightly modified,

Speakers
Quad 57

Audio Al
13-08-2016, 18:08
For a moment I thought you were going to be a Bride Barry :D

Barry
14-08-2016, 20:17
For a moment I thought you were going to be a Bride Barry :D

No - not yet. But because of your initial impression, I've change the title of the thread to avoid any further misunderstanding. :)

Jimbo
14-08-2016, 20:31
Thanks for posting that up again Barry, an interesting read.

Just listening to the Blue now and it definitely has that quality of presence but it sounds so live to me which is what engages me so much. It is the fast dynamics and life it gives to performers and instruments that makes it a beguiling listen.

Honestly if folk were to hear what this cartridge can do who have never heard one I am sure there jaws would drop!

Wakefield Turntables
15-08-2016, 11:38
Excellent post Barry. Looks like my next stop is a DECCA when a decent one pop's up on the market!

rubber duck
15-08-2016, 14:49
Being on loan, I was reluctant to fuss and fiddle with this arrangement; especially, as can be seen, the generator is naked with a cantilever 4mm long that is almost asking to be snapped! I should add that the cartridge comes with no stylus protection whatsoever. Quite frankly I regard this as the height of arrogance by the manufacturer to fail to provide even the most palliative measures to protect such a vulnerable cantilever. How do they suppose you fit this cartridge to a fixed headshell arm, with the arm in situ?

I agree that the exposed cantilever is daunting and I promptly broke my original BPS in the early 1990s. I'm not sure how the stylus of an exposed cart could be protected though, and I would prefer not risk damage attaching and removing stylus guards in general. Also, my accident was partly due to turntable design as the Gyrodec left the cart completely exposed underneath, unlike a conventional plinth turntable, waiting to be swiped by a finger.

Since getting this rebuilt (by A.J. vdH himself) I've used my BPS on and off since the mid 1990s without any further mishaps and it still plays and looks fine under 40x magnification. It's also supremely easy to align and I find setting up regular bodied carts tedious in comparison because it is much harder to see the stylus let alone align the cantilever to a grid. The original BPS has been accused of many things but has a clarity, immediacy and life, and is certainly not boring or disengaged. Having heard what my BPS sounds like in a newly acquired phono stage I'm now even considering a BPS Evo III as a back up.

Arkless Electronics
15-08-2016, 15:13
I was pretty impressed by the similar looking Sumiko Blackbird...

Barry
15-08-2016, 19:26
I agree that the exposed cantilever is daunting and I promptly broke my original BPS in the early 1990s. I'm not sure how the stylus of an exposed cart could be protected though, and I would prefer not risk damage attaching and removing stylus guards in general. Also, my accident was partly due to turntable design as the Gyrodec left the cart completely exposed underneath, unlike a conventional plinth turntable, waiting to be swiped by a finger.

Since getting this rebuilt (by A.J. vdH himself) I've used my BPS on and off since the mid 1990s without any further mishaps and it still plays and looks fine under 40x magnification. It's also supremely easy to align and I find setting up regular bodied carts tedious in comparison because it is much harder to see the stylus let alone align the cantilever to a grid. The original BPS has been accused of many things but has a clarity, immediacy and life, and is certainly not boring or disengaged. Having heard what my BPS sounds like in a newly acquired phono stage I'm now even considering a BPS Evo III as a back up.

I'm sure it's not beyond the wit of man to come up with something that can protect the stylus whilst the cartridge is being installed, and then removed afterwards. I agree that you can risk damage in repeatedly attaching and removing a stylus guard, but I have never had any problem with my Denons or Ortofons.

Yes, my impressions of the Sumiko BPS are somewhat 'down beat'. I was disappointed; I had great expectations, but can only report what I heard. Had I had more time with it I would have tried to find out quite why the BPS wasn't doing it for me. But as I explained the cartridge wasn't mine, so was reluctant to experiment on something so potentially vulnerable to damage.

No matter, I'm pleased you are getting great results from yours - as I said in the final sentence of my post "you may find your impressions differ from mine".

struth
15-08-2016, 19:33
the at95 has a good guard which stays put when on while youre fitting it. I like its design, even if its a simple one.

speedracer
20-08-2016, 08:31
Interesting to read differing views on the BPS, I myself I just bought a used BPS Evo111 to try out with my gear, once I have built myself up to look the stylus in the eye & dare it to cause me a mishap when fitting it!

Barry
20-08-2016, 09:04
Interesting to read differing views on the BPS, I myself I just bought a used BPS Evo111 to try out with my gear, once I have built myself up to look the stylus in the eye & dare it to cause me a mishap when fitting it!

The BPS Evo III is the successor to the BPS I borrowed. Don't be swayed by my "down beat" impressions - both are fine cartridges. :)