new turntable on its way! [Archive] - The Art of Sound Forum

karma67

15-07-2016, 16:26

Well after enjoying the LP12 for a while i thought id try a direct drive so, now i can find out what the lp12 haters tell me im missing!
I put out a wanted ad for a pioneer pl tt as ive always loved the look of these.
I spotted over on ebay.de a lovely and rare it would seem plc-1700,hmmm i thought and did a quick google check,here's some info http://www.thevintageknob.org/pioneer-PLC-1700.html

Putting awful thoughts of it arriving smashed to bits i made a offer which the seller accepted so its on its way here.
I just hope ive made a good decision and its better than the linn or im gonna scream!! :)

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj548/jamiecreig123/ll_zpsoatvzuvq.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj548/jamiecreig123/llll_zpsnxz9ei7c.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj548/jamiecreig123/lllll_zpsflq6zko2.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj548/jamiecreig123/llllll_zpsho2mjo3w.jpg

RobbieGong

15-07-2016, 19:41

Very nice and classy looking deck Jamie. Looking at Vintage Knob it would appear to be a nicely put together piece of kit.
I love the look of Japanese vintage gear.
My guess is that your new toy wont sound any less than your LP12 but most likely different. As you'll know, the LP12 is also known as the old fruit box and that's because it's said to have a flavoured sound.
Your previous Nag flagship the MP500 is a quality cart and from what I've read has a more coloured / flavoured sound too.
I'm assuming you liked the LP12 / MP500 sound / combo?
As I said, your lovely pioneer will be different but I cant say how different. That will pretty much depend on what cart you'll be looking to run it with. ;)
Either way, have fun. I'm looking forward to hearing what cart(s) your thinking of using. :)

karma67

15-07-2016, 19:47

RobbieGong

15-07-2016, 19:54

hi,
thanks,yes i very much like the sound of the lp12 but then again ive not heard anything else,iam currently using am ortofon mc-25 fl and really like it.another reason i thought id try a direct drive is i could see myself going down the upgrade path with the lp12,cirkus bearing and power supply and thats big money so i decided to change direction.

I'm glad your trying an Ortofon with your Pioneer. The Ortofons have a different flavour to the Nags so it will be interesting to hear what you think once you've had some time with the Pioneer and Ortofon combined.
I love the Ortofons i've had and prefer a less flavoured sound, more neutral, detailed and accurate presentation which is what the Ortofons I've really enjoyed do.

karma67

15-07-2016, 20:04

the mp-500 had a tendency to sound a little bright,great detail though where as the ortofon is more warmer and makes you want to keep playing records.

karma67

16-07-2016, 16:13

The tonearm mystery is solved , it's a Sony psu 114 all be it mine has a different anti skate mechanism

Zoidburg

16-07-2016, 16:36

Nice looking deck that, arm looks very cool too.

Jimbo

16-07-2016, 16:36

Nice looking vintage deck Jamie, is the arm a unipivot or gimbal bearing?

karma67

16-07-2016, 16:55

ive not got a clue! not much info on these arms.

alanc

16-07-2016, 17:44

Hi Jamie, Hope you enjoy your new deck - I expect quite a few of us would like to know how it compares to the Linn. Personally I would expect the Linn to have a slightly airier sound but without any huge differences and you may well end up wondering why there are so many Linn haters out there and what it is they actually hate. I've got three different decks (one is a Linn) which don't sound exactly the same but they are so similar that I enjoy listening to them all.

Ian7633

16-07-2016, 19:32

And just think, you can finally play your 12" single

karma67

21-07-2016, 12:22

It has left Germany! Not long now:)

Marco

22-07-2016, 10:27

Nice one, Jamie. That's a lovely T/T, which I'm sure won't disappoint! :)

It's going to sound rather different from your Linn, for a number of reasons, but mainly because of the drive mechanism. D/D, regardless of which T/T it's used on, has an 'intrinsic sound', as does belt-drive - and both have their merits and pitfalls.

I'd expect the Pioneer to 'bop along' better than the Linn, having more 'drive' and energy with rock and pop music, and the Linn, as Alan says, being a little 'airier' and more detailed overall, with perhaps a warmer, slightly softer bass.

In terms of the headshell thing, which you PM'd me about, I wouldn't worry about that until you've decided and settled on which cartridge you'll be using. Just enjoy the T/T 'as is' for a while, until you get to know what it's doing, then you can tweak things, if necessary, from there :cool:

Marco.

Gazjam

22-07-2016, 11:04

Gorgeous bit of kit Jamie, look fwd to seeing the pics when she's in.

karma67

22-07-2016, 13:53

Thanks you 2,
For a while I'll be using an ortofon mc25 fl cartridge :)

homespun

24-07-2016, 09:47

I often think that some of the better Japanese decks get a poor press from the magazines because they don't always conform, lets say bias towards the Rega, Project etc etc designs, Fair comment, but I heard a TEAC 300N the other day at my local Richer Sounds and although its belt drive it sounded superb, If I spent 3 times the price on another deck I doubt it would be 3 times the sound quality. I agree some of the vintage Japanese decks do have a build quality that is better than some European makes. and I have no problem with direct drive. I guess there are differences in sound between DD and Belt but I think its more subtle than people like to think, Just listen to the bass response from an Audio Technica DJ deck, its awesome.

karma67

27-07-2016, 10:33

It's here!

struth

27-07-2016, 10:37

It's here!

Where? :eek:

karma67

27-07-2016, 19:19

hmm this aint half bad you know,im liking it so far,its got a cheapo yellow AT cartridge and the tonearms a bit of a faff to set up,its in the ball park though.quality finish,veneered in rio rosewood too!
its keeping speed nicely and it weighs a bloody ton, even with the pants cartridge and ok ish arm im not missing the lp12 so far!!!!!! :dance:
only downside is the lid has been damaged in shipping :(

here's a video clip of it in action

https://youtu.be/14iV6ubEy20

DSJR

27-07-2016, 20:15

The cartridge looks to be an AT91 or direct relative. Track it at 1.8g or so and certainly no higher than 2g, as bass muddies up and hf closes in. The directly related Rega Carbon I have is a secret pleasure, only limited in ultimate hf transparency*, The bass can be awesome though, but never thuddy or boomy and midrange is very clear indeed.

* The conical tip is nicely polished I think and surface noise is low. The natural conical treble losses over a side are kept to a minimum I think and you forget it's only twenty five quid or less for the AT91 version.

That tonearm should take almost anything and choice of headshells should be huge fun as well. The mass of the deck will also lift it above a typical techie and as for the lid replacement, completely remove it when playing and just use it as a dust cover when not in use :)

karma67

27-07-2016, 20:28

cheers dave,
do you think the arms a good one? i was going to try my ittok or maybe another bloody 774!
the headshell on the sony arm is not original and quite franky shit,what should i go for as a replacement?
ive had to add blu tak to get the arm to balance and the dial zero'd.
id like to use my ortofon mc-25 fl on it.

Beobloke

27-07-2016, 21:46

struth

27-07-2016, 22:03

Different DD, but I found the Shure m55 was the better of my carts on my DD. it just seemed to both give the drive along with the tones, and subtlety that I was looking for. My souped up at95 may be good too, but not got round to trying it tbh. Cannot face taking the 55 off.:eek:

struth

27-07-2016, 22:07

as for headshell; one of these might be good

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350475409324?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

or

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audio-Technica-AT-HS10BK-10g-1-2-Headshell-Black/301796146120?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D37449%26meid%3Df1ac811d5f6942bd9e934fc82613 b84c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D3504 75409324

DSJR

27-07-2016, 22:13

It would be well worth trying the MC25FL on it - unlike Dave, I'm not a fan of the AT91 so reckon it's bound to be an improvement! ;)

A new headshell would be a wise move, though. Something like an Ortofon LH-2000 or Sumiko HS-12 should do nicely.

Adam, please don't put words into my mouth ;)

For twenty quid, the AT91 played at around 1.8g is just fine, but obviously narrow band-limited to mid bass to mid-midrange, but nothing like as soft, bland and squishy as I remembered from my times in the 80's. I believe current diamonds may be better fitted and polished than decades ago, but could be wrong. The AT95E sounds similar, but the ability runs further up the range. Of course a bloody MC25FL in a more solid headshell should sound amazing and (forgive the expletives) so it fecking-well should :lol:

P.S. Cartridge for an experienced mastering engineer who wants to test the fidelity of his cuts to his masters? Sumiko BPS in an SME V on an Orbe :eek:

http://www.superaudiomastering.com/studio-tech/

walpurgis

27-07-2016, 22:21

walpurgis

27-07-2016, 22:40

If you ever get a chance. Compare the MC25FL to the ZYX R50 Bloom. I have. They are pretty close in ability, with the slightly more expansive ZYX just edging it in my opinion. The Ortofon sounds slightly more vivid, but that is just because it is slightly brighter. The ZYX has more depth and a touch more ambience, but there's not a lot in it.

karma67

28-07-2016, 04:45

Well the at 91 that came with it is pretty good for £20 but I'll be putting the mc-25 on at the weekend as there's no contest.

karma67

18-01-2017, 17:14

a small update to my turntable,i had a local engineering firm make this weight up for me.i like it :)

https://s26.postimg.org/6tapui895/IMG_1161.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/ko90cz2o9/IMG_1158.jpg

struth

18-01-2017, 17:21

No pics here

must be very light lol

karma67

18-01-2017, 17:28

ha ha weird cause i can see them?

Ian7633

18-01-2017, 17:42

Ooooh!, that tt is looking very saucy Sir James:booty:

struth

18-01-2017, 17:43

Now appeared.. looks good. Decks looking the part

HackneyRF

18-01-2017, 19:14

a small update to my turntable,i had a local engineering firm make this weight up for me.i like it :)

https://s26.postimg.org/6tapui895/IMG_1161.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/ko90cz2o9/IMG_1158.jpg

Thats lovely Jamie. Nice one.

Jimbo

18-01-2017, 19:48

Very nice indeed and the 2M suits it perfectly!:)

Bigman80

18-01-2017, 20:38

Very nice. Do you mind revealing the cost ?

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karma67

18-01-2017, 20:45

not at all,it was £20.

Bigman80

18-01-2017, 21:38

not at all,it was £20.
Wow, that's a great price. It looks the balls

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karma67

18-01-2017, 21:46

thanks,here's some info ,scroll down the page and you will see a drawing,just print it off and go to a small engineering shop and they'll knock one up for you (if you need one that is) :)

337alant

18-01-2017, 22:09

Fabulous turntable Jamie, looking very nice :eyebrows:

alan

RobbieGong

18-01-2017, 23:10

ALL looking class and sexy Jamie. I love a nice weight and they do make a subtle improvement to the sound ime and to my ears.
Recently got myself a new one but wont show that off til my amps back and other stuf done to feedback on - not too long now ;)

Bigman80

19-01-2017, 00:59

thanks,here's some info ,scroll down the page and you will see a drawing,just print it off and go to a small engineering shop and they'll knock one up for you (if you need one that is) :)
Cheers. I don't currently by may just want one lol

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karma67

05-02-2017, 17:38

whilst waiting for the 3 caps for the power supply to arrive i thought id do a bit of cosmetic work on the TT today,i decided to spray the panzerholz tonearm board to match the rest of the TT.

https://s26.postimg.org/5pwkiert5/IMG_1205_1.jpg