View Full Version : Why is most "chart" music crap and who buys it anyway?
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2016, 14:25
As I listen to the radio all day... everyday (radio 2), I can't help but be struck as to just how awful most of the latest release music is. When playing classics or oldies I guess they can pick and choose something a bit better, but all the stuff (90% anyway) which is newly released and on that weeks play list is dreadful beyond belief!
In what way is it so bad? My late father called it "nothing music", it will have only 3-4 chords which will all be so obvious, and the progressions so obvious, that these "tunes" sound almost generic and can be hard to tell one from another... lyrics.. well I have heard 3 today where the middle 8 consists of " oh oh o o oh" repeated several times....
There is obviously a "production line" for this fodder in which all that seems to matter is the song sounds like the last song by the same artist (or any of the others which are the same) and has a "current pop feel" to it.... One can almost imagine it being literally written by computer to a formula it's so predictable, samey etc.
Who the hell is so inspired by this crap as to want to go out and buy it???? :eek: It's pop "elevator music" and I can't imagine anyone listening to this stuff and their ears pricking up while they think "what a great tune, I must go out and buy that/download that", when there will be an equally tepid tune along in 5 minutes by another "artist" which will be almost indistinguishable from the first one :scratch: How do they make money from this? It seems to be "music for people who aren't interested in music, have no appreciation of music and want something in the background"... in which case they are hardly likely to rush out and buy it!
Yes I know there are specialist jazz stations or classic rock stations but I'm talking about the generic fodder that is "this weeks new releases- category: pop"
And no I don't think it's an age thing... it really is that crap in a homogeneous all sounds the same boring formula way.... IMHO :D
Ah I feel better after that :D
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2016, 15:01
I was expecting that... not really the kind of debate I was looking for but I listen all day cos I can't stand silence, they play some good stuff, on a night it's excellent and other stations available on FM are even worse....
The Black Adder
07-06-2016, 15:15
Radio 2 is the pits for music but I'm not sure if the problem is the music or the DJ's. The DJ's are overrated and are paid to praise records even if they don't like them. I can't believe the amount of money the BBC must pay out for them to just rinse and repeat the same shows day in, day out. Talk about money for olde rope.
This morning for instance, Michael (autotuned) Blubble, Take That and Hanson in a row... I had enough of that so I switched it off.
Quite literally, each and every show is exactly the same every day since they were created and Radio 2 is becoming like Radio 1 when DLT and Simon Bates had the helm. It became stagnant and so, so boring to listen to.
The BBC has a crazed fetish for keeping things the same, no development on programs. Mostly because they are too scared of change as it's every overpaid producer's job on the line if the change fails. The One Show, Eastenders, Radio 2 (in it's entirety). Some say that they are the staples of British life, well that's utter crap IMO. I can't get my head around that and find it even more disgusting to pay for it too! New, original shows, new talent and films is where it's at.
6Music is best for music in general but on a Sunday morning it's dire.
walpurgis
07-06-2016, 15:22
Because it's for the undiscerning, clueless masses. For twelve year old girls who are starstruck by the pimply, wet behind the ears little gits that pass as 'bands'. For grannies who 'like a nice tune'. For morons in pubs who think anything that's on the juke box must be good 'cos it wouldn't be there otherwise innit'.
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2016, 15:25
You're interested in "celebrities" :eek:
The idea was not to discuss radio 2! What I'm on about is the homogeneous, all sounds the same, 3 chords, auto-tuned and computer generated crap that is the staple of all daytime FM stations.... and specifically in new releases they are given to play rather than oldies etc.
It's the fact that anyone bothers to make anything that bad and then someone in charge thinks "nailed it! we'll release that as a single and get it on the play lists" that was interested in discussing....
BTW on an evening I rate radio 2 as superb and during the day as the best of a bad bunch. I only use FM.
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2016, 15:29
Because it's for the undiscerning, clueless masses. For twelve year old girls who are starstruck by the pimply, wet behind the ears little gits that pass as 'bands'. For grannies who 'like a nice tune'. For morons in pubs who think anything that's on the juke box must be good 'cos it wouldn't be there otherwise innit'.
So, other than possibly the pimply gits I can't see any of the other categories being inspired enough, or even noticing the pap enough, to want to buy it :scratch:
walpurgis
07-06-2016, 15:31
You're interested in "celebrities" :eek:
Not me sunshine.
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2016, 15:33
Not me sunshine.
T'was aimed at the black adder who has now removed it from his list of "where it's at" ;)
walpurgis
07-06-2016, 15:34
So, other than possibly the pimply gits I can't see any of the other categories being inspired enough, or even noticing the pap enough, to want to buy it :scratch:
Probably about right. Not much decent music on the radio these days.
On TV is better. At least Jools Holland does his bit for old established acts and new talent.
walpurgis
07-06-2016, 15:35
T'was aimed at the black adder who has now removed it from his list of "where it's at" ;)
Ah, but not aimed well! ;)
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2016, 15:41
Probably about right. Not much decent music on the radio these days.
On TV is better. At least Jools Holland does his bit for old established acts and new talent.
There tends to be good stuff on an evening but pap during the day....
last night for example there was a personal perspective on punk rock and what it meant to him at the time by Norman Cook. It was really good.
The Black Adder
07-06-2016, 16:04
T'was aimed at the black adder who has now removed it from his list of "where it's at" ;)
Not interested in the slightest but the BBC needs to change from it's typical 'lovvies' and change it's 'talent', the better word for it.
Anyway, sorry about the drift of to Radio 2.
Carry on. :)
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2016, 16:25
OK Adder :)
Just to labour a point.... what I'm on about is the muzak that seems to have no particular tune, harmony, melody, hook or lyrics etc that would stand out enough to even be noticed.... other than for how samey, boring and obviously done to a formula. It may reach 78 in the charts if lucky and then you never hear it on the radio again and next week it's a new batch of releases that sound exactly like the last ones.... Do they make enough money from radio play fees in the week or so it's on the playlist for it to be worthwhile? 'Cos I really can't stretch my imagination to any one actually liking this stuff and going out and buying it as there's nothing about it to like or to draw you to it.... Even if doing my darnedest to allow for the tastes of others:eek:
Its always been the case. Even though the pap in charts in 60s and 70s is now classed as great, it wasnt in the day by hifi and say rock /prog and say country etc music lovers. I know i was one of them... Beatles were mostly for teenage girls as were most tbh.
We listened to zep, stones, sabbath and cream and all the rest.
Now we venerate most of that pap, but will we do same in 30/40 years time think the pap of today to be great?
Who knows but might be an idea to pick a few first editions up for your old age;)
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2016, 16:36
Its always been the case. Even though the pap in charts in 60s and 70s is now classed as great, it wasnt in the day by hifi and say rock /prog and say country etc music lovers. I know i was one of them... Beatles were mostly for teenage girls as were most tbh.
We listened to zep, stones, sabbath and cream and all the rest.
Now we venerate most of that pap, but will we do same in 30/40 years time think the pap of today to be great?
Who knows but might be an idea to pick a few first editions up for your old age;)
Another expected view point :) I really can't agree. The crap I'm on about is just so obviously someone sitting at a PC with Cubase (whatever) going "right we'll use rhythm number 6 and some of those same samples we used in last weeks song, a simple A, C, E progression same as usual and speed it up a tad.. that'll do. Now we'll get so and so to sing it cos she's been in the gossip column this week... can't carry a tune in a bucket but auto tune can sort it. Rights that's today's quota of "new songs" "written", off to the pub"
Even with the likes of The Monkees or The Bay city rollers they had catchy tunes, hooks, real people playing real instruments and some sense of "joie de vivre" to them, even if they were "bubblegum pop".
Hey i didnt say i agreed with it, just that its a point. I wont be around to know it it indeed happens, and you may not either, but it will be folk in their teens to early 30,s that will make that call Jezz.
My mum hated the beatles and 90 % of pop music when she was younger and never changed much... My sister was a beatles gal. I liked blues etc and rubbished it all. But i can now see there was something in it... Lots of folk here like electronic music and trance etc. I still think it shite, but its just my opinion.
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2016, 16:47
A possible answer is that in many of the worst cases the "artist" is a rather attractive female... could it be that the "music" is just an excuse to make the video... which is watched for reasons other than its musical content... and they make their money from the rights to these? They don't expect to actually sell many copies of the song? Dunno...
Very much so... sex sells, and its a money driven business as far as the people that make decisions are concerned. not always the artist though.. Radio stations either say this is our agegroup mostly listening to say radio 4 so play music they will like. say on radio 2 they decide, this is the agegroup WE WANT to listen to this station and thus play music to attract them.
There is a big difference in today's pop, it is designed to be "snackable", offering a short-term thrill before people get bored and move onto buy / stream new stuff. There are only a handful of labels / production cartels that are able to afford mass airplay and promotion. In other words it is a consumer's genre, with no regard to lasting quality and enduring value.
What I have especially noticed is a massive simplification in lyrics, where a few words are just repeated over and over again.
All part of the plan to dumb people down.
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2016, 18:42
There is a big difference in today's pop, it is designed to be "snackable", offering a short-term thrill before people get bored and move onto buy / stream new stuff. There are only a handful of labels / production cartels that are able to afford mass airplay and promotion. In other words it is a consumer's genre, with no regard to lasting quality and enduring value.
What I have especially noticed is a massive simplification in lyrics, where a few words are just repeated over and over again.
All part of the plan to dumb people down.
I can't say I've noticed any thrill to the stuff I'm talking about... even short term!
An example of what I'm on about would be the latest from the eye candy known as "Foxes" but I'll try and add some more as I hear them and think "feck that's so shite!".
This pap tends to have only 3-4 chords, no key changes, no minor chords.... if you were strumming along on a guitar it would be a case of slowly strumming a repetitive pattern of say A,C,D right through the song and doing nothing else. The verse of the Foxes track consists of "oh a a eh eh oh" repeated several times if I am hearing it properly...
walpurgis
07-06-2016, 18:48
All part of the plan to dumb people down.
A great many don't need that. They are dumb anyway. Living from one benefit payment to the next and longing to appear on the Jeremy Kyle thing. Wastes of space!
Arkless Electronics
07-06-2016, 18:52
A great many don't need that. They are dumb anyway. Living from one benefit payment to the next and longing to appear on the Jeremy Kyle thing. Wastes of space!
I think IDS has got to your computer there Geoff :D
A great many don't need that. They are dumb anyway. Living from one benefit payment to the next and longing to appear on the Jeremy Kyle thing. Wastes of space!
just say what you think now Geoff; dont hold back :rfl:
walpurgis
07-06-2016, 18:55
just say what you think now Geoff; dont hold back :rfl:
The only way I can think of for the kind to be gainfully employed, is to use them for target practice! So there!! Hmmph!!! :eek:
Pop music is for young people. If you still like it after the age of 18 or so, you're not right in the head and should seek help.
The only way I can think of for the kind to be gainfully employed, is to use them for target practice! So there!! Hmmph!!! :eek:
You wern't a barber in another life were you;)
walpurgis
07-06-2016, 19:39
You wern't a barber in another life were you;)
Funny you should say that. I was. Many, many, years ago. :lol:
There's a lot of good music been written with just 3 chords and no key changes
On the other hand there is only so much you can do with that formula. With pop music it is like a million monkeys on a million typewriters, every so often a nugget of gold gets thrown up.
Is today's pap worse than the pap of 20 year's ago? Yes. No question about it.
rigger67
08-06-2016, 10:16
I worked in music retail on and off for 25 years from about 1991 till about 2006.
I never worked for HMV, but for the more independent stores like Our Price, Tower and Fopp, as well as an actual bona fide indie store for three years (Essential Music).
Most of that time I did most of the stock buying.
A lot of that task is fairly simple in that you look at the masterbag (blank card case for the CD, LP, tape or whatever) and check the sales history, or you'd look at the system on the computer and analyse how quickly a product has moved.
It's interesting work if you're a music nut and you have certain rules like "product turn" - an American term used by Tower, but very good for describing how it all works.
The "turn" is one unit selling.
In jazz, it may be an album by a lesser-known artist : let's say Lee Morgan's Sidewinder.
Still a popular title, but not as big as Kind Of Blue.
The Sidewinder would have a product turn of six months.
Kind of Blue's would be one month.
Bitches Brew might be three months, while the CD boxset of the same title would be one year.
For classic rock and pop titles like Rumours, Thriller, DSOM, etc the turn would be a couple of weeks at most, but often we'd sell ten copies on a weekend, so it paid to have multiples in the racks.
For singles and pap music the whole process becomes harder.
Back in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s, each label would send out reps with the latest upcoming releases.
They disappeared over time during that period as more and more shops went to central or electronic ordering, but for smaller labels you'd have a generic distributor agent promoting bands and they would have a certain amount of free stock to giveaway if you bought such and such, eg : BOGOF deals.
This is why 7 and 12" singles would often be really cheap in the first week after release (ie £1.99 for the 12 and 99p for the 7) because the shops were effectively buying them half price.
As time went by, fewer were bought and we eventually arrived at the current situation with downloads and streaming plays making up most of the singles chart and the reps went completely.
What replaced it is the ever-strengthening Now! brand and a host of generic compilations from various radio stations, TV shows, club nights, etc. That and the formulaic production line of super-producers who now act as mini-labels in themselves.
Basically, if an artist breaks with a single, the next step is to reproduce it with a slight twist, or if it was uptempo to release a ballad to broaden their appeal. It's all about image, homogeny of sound and mass appeal.
Typically, the song will be a cover (of a cover of a cover) that the kid likes, the parent remembers and so they have that in common.
I'm thinking Pharrell with his updated Chic/Daft Punk thing, Madonna latching on to any current movement, all the boy bands, plus candy-pop artists like Bieber and Miley Cyrus .. and absolutely anything by Shakira or the Black-Eyed Peas.
It's all "product".
These people don't talk about music, they talk about numbers and exposure.
They talk about movie tie-ins and cameos.
They talk about social media and red carpets.
Twas ever thus, as a lot of people have already said, but now it's like the Wizard of Oz has let the curtain fall to the floor and doesn't really care that anyone can see what he's doing back there ...
The thing I liked about the old days was that if you didn't rate a song you listened to from a rep, you had the power to say no.
I don't mean that in the sense "I miss the power" because any buyer doing his job properly would never consider his personal feelings : it would be about whether you thought it would sell or not.
What I mean is that if the record wasn't good enough, the artists would fail and be quietly dropped.
OR they'd up their game and come back with a stronger song next time round.
The competition and variety and the entire system encouraged creativity and individuality.
Remember back in the 70s and 80s when you had all these "tribes" you could be ? Skinhead, suedehead, mod, rocker, greaser, metal-head, hippie, jazz cat, new romantic, soul-boy, goth, etc ..
Well, now you're either a chav, listening to RnB, pop and terrible "house" music, or you're emo and you're into, like, guitars 'n' stuff ..
We've all been pumped through the system ...
It's The Soylent Green Music Machine :eek::eek::eek:
Arkless Electronics
08-06-2016, 10:43
That's a fascinating insight on the subject Paul! :)
rigger67
08-06-2016, 11:07
I'd also add that a lot of music "taste" - or lack of - is passed down by generations.
Apologies to female members of this forum and at the risk of being labelled sexist, how many women do you know that are passionate about music compared to the number of men who are ?
It's a small minority.
Part of that is because men are more likely to be obsessive collectors of anything, but especially music and technological stuff.
Take my sister.
Please ! **boomtish**
She's a multi-instrumentalist, choreographer, ex-dancer who is deputy head of a major school in Johannesburg (Australia based their training camp on its grounds during the 2010 World Cup). She's proficient on piano and most stringed instruments and used to play double bass for the Westminster Philarmonic back in the day.
Ask her what music she likes though and it's a different story .. she likes "everything, really". The last album she bought was either Texas' debut or - I still cringe now - Huey Lewis And The News' Fore! for ME on my birthday .. both on cassette.
I'd never ever shown any interest in Lewis before or since, btw.
Some people are just wired like that.
They don't care.
They're happy to listen to the radio. End of.
Personally, I only ever listen to classical music radio, but 90% of the time it's tuned to talkSPORT or 5Live.
I can't stand music radio, generally.
Anyway .. I'm rambling.
Back on topic.
Music taste being passed on ?
I was at a party a few years back. It was new year's eve. God, it was awful.
A friend was hosting it - lovely bloke, known him for years - but I don't like it when I know the music will be terrible (being a DJ means control).
The Macarena came on.
Every woman in the building - except my prog-loving gf of the time - rushed onto the "dance-floor" in the lounge and formed lines with generations from 4 and 5-year old little girls, right up to grannies in their 60s and 70s doing the "dance" ..
I watched open-mouthed as the horror unfolded with the middle generations - 20s, 30s and 40s - teaching those both older and younger the "moves" to the song.
It was painful.
And it went on .. for three plays of the damned song.
I had grooves in my arm where my gf had been digging her nails in, desperate for us to leave .. and we did, shortly afterwards, even though it was chucking it down and we were walking a mile home.
Some people just don't care.
They don't have it in them to be passionate about music.
And that's fine - they'll have other interests.
It's like religion, politics, sport .. whatever. You name it.
You hang around with people of like-mindedness, don't you ?
I'm going to go and lie down for a while now ..
I was at a party a few years back. It was new year's eve. God, it was awful.
A friend was hosting it - lovely bloke, known him for years - but I don't like it when I know the music will be terrible (being a DJ means control).
The Macarena came on.
Every woman in the building - except my prog-loving gf of the time - rushed onto the "dance-floor" in the lounge and formed lines with generations from 4 and 5-year old little girls, right up to grannies in their 60s and 70s doing the "dance" ..
I watched open-mouthed as the horror unfolded with the middle generations - 20s, 30s and 40s - teaching those both older and younger the "moves" to the song.
It was painful.
And it went on .. for three plays of the damned song.
I had grooves in my arm where my gf had been digging her nails in, desperate for us to leave .. and we did, shortly afterwards, even though it was chucking it down and we were walking a mile home.
I'm going to go and lie down for a while now ..
:lol:
Really not so bad. Don't know how old you are but before the Macerena it was the Birdy Song and, trust me, that was a whole lot worse. :)
rigger67
08-06-2016, 11:46
Really not so bad. Don't know how old you are but before the Macerena it was the Birdy Song and, trust me, that was a whole lot worse. :)
I'm 49 and there's a bloody good reason why I no longer DJ at weddings and parties .. I am all too familiar with all that crap.
Even at a wedding between two northern soul fans I was asked directly for "some cheese ?"
Luckily it was all vinyl so I could trot out the old "I don't have any with me" line, but these days on laptops with streaming you just can't get away with it anymore ...
49 and a former wedding DJ? You've seen all the horrors then.
What I'll never understand is why, when faced with a room of people none of whom are under 35 years old, the DJ will insist, for the first hour or so, on playing all the latest chart singles whilst everyone sits there looking confused. Then finally he will play some ABBA or something similar and the dancefloor will immediately fill up.
Oh, you need cheese! Its important to get all the folk so pissed off with the music that when you put on the abba they say, "ah! Music you can dance to and sing along with" then they all get up and make bloody fools of themselves.:eyebrows:
Apologies to female members of this forum and at the risk of being labelled sexist, how many women do you know that are passionate about music compared to the number of men who are ?
Totally and completely disagree with this. I know plenty of women who are passionate about music, some of the finest singer songwriters around at the moment are women. Take a look at the finest orchestra's around the world, plenty of passionate women there. I go to a lot of live music gigs and there are clearly many 'passionate about music' women in the audience. Now the music itself can dictate the demographic and Steven Wilson even commented on it once at a gig, as around 75-80% of the audience were men. But go to see Emmylou Harris and look at the audience?
What you are IMHO getting mixed up with is the male music fans obsession with gear. And that is also only a small number of male music fans. I know more guys who love music that could care less about the gear, than those that do.
I also know a huge number of musicians, both male and female, all who are clearly passionate about music, to the point of putting music before putting food on the table, but do they give a stuff about cables, trying different speakers out, blind testing a new amp, valve rolling or anything else . . . . do they heck as like.
Get out and mix up your music genres a bit, go to gigs on the opposite end of the scale to prog and you will discover there are just as many women out there who are passionate about music. Talk about turntables and their eyes will glaze over, but that's got nothing to do with being passionate about music. I would even suggest they are more passionate about the music, as that's the most important thing, not what it's played on, or how it sounds.
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Werner Berghofer
08-06-2016, 12:32
Tim,
Totally and completely disagree with this. I know plenty of women who are passionate about music, some of the finest singer songwriters around at the moment are women. Take a look at the finest orchestra's around the world, plenty of passionate women there. […]
totally and completely agree with you! Give me one Gretchen Peters for ten screaming Robert Plants, anytime please :-)
What you are IMHO getting mixed up with is the male music fans obsession with gear.
Again: Totally and complete agree with this. I recently removed my huge, floor-standing Triangle Esprit loudspeakers and the whole, black, heavy-duty Yamaha stuff and placed a Tivoli Audio Model One in the corner of the living room, since the missus redesigned most parts of the flat while I was on my bicycle Zen journey (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?45267-A-journey-to-the-origins-of-my-family) through Austria and parts of the Czech Republic and Hungary.
http://www.berghofer.com/photos/gear/tivoli_model_one.jpg
Werner.
Like Gretchen too..she is in scotland in july
rigger67
08-06-2016, 13:08
Totally and completely disagree with this. I know plenty of women who are passionate about music, some of the finest singer songwriters around at the moment are women. Take a look at the finest orchestra's around the world, plenty of passionate women there. I go to a lot of live music gigs and there are clearly many 'passionate about music' women in the audience. Now the music itself can dictate the demographic and Steven Wilson even commented on it once at a gig, as around 75-80% of the audience were men. But go to see Emmylou Harris and look at the audience?
What you are IMHO getting mixed up with is the male music fans obsession with gear. And that is also only a small number of male music fans. I know more guys who love music that could care less about the gear, than those that do.
I also know a huge number of musicians, both male and female, all who are clearly passionate about music, to the point of putting music before putting food on the table, but do they give a stuff about cables, trying different speakers out, blind testing a new amp, valve rolling or anything else . . . . do they heck as like.
Get out and mix up your music genres a bit, go to gigs on the opposite end of the scale to prog and you will discover there are just as many women out there who are passionate about music. Talk about turntables and their eyes will glaze over, but that's got nothing to do with being passionate about music. I would even suggest they are more passionate about the music, as that's the most important thing, not what it's played on, or how it sounds.
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With respect, you're talking to someone who has Susan Tedeschi's signature tattooed on his forearm.
I found your post very patronising.
I'm not just into prog .. in fact, I only really like Yes and Tull.
I'm a soul, jazz, funk, hip hop, latin and disco fan more than anything. MOBO if you want to use that term, though I don't like it myself.
I get to plenty of gigs, thank you very much, as I write the music column for a local newspaper.
I know plenty of women who are into music as well, but I am telling you they are in the minority.
My opinion is formed by working so long in music retail where the overwhelming number of customers were men.
Yes, it's a different demographic for gigs, I agree.
Yes, it's different for certain genres, too.
Citing singer/songwriters and professional musicians is a false argument IMHO.
These people are special individuals and not in any way representative of the average Joe or Joanna on the street.
We're talking about mainstream pop culture here, not the niche interests of the South Bank crowd (check) or the ENO (check) or the Grand Ol' Opry (yes, I've been there too).
I think it's great that you seem only to know women who are passionate about music - like I said, you surround yourself with people who share the same interests, don't you ? That's how relationships are formed .. it's what makes life great.
But you're lucky in that sense.
From time to time most of us end up at a party or wedding reception with knuckle-dragging mouth breathers dancing round their handbags or screaming karaoke lyrics (in groups of seven around one mic) at everyone else while simultaneously balancing a drink in one hand, a fag in the other and shouting "COME ON! WHATSAMMATTERWIVYOU? GERRUPANDDANCE!!"
Good for you that you never have to suffer such a dreadful fate ..
Now, I'm gonna go and play of the many Emmylou albums I own ... :mental:
just say what you think now Geoff; dont hold back :rfl:
Mr. Tact by name, Mr. Tact by... :D
I found your post very patronising.
Good, you got my message then, as I found your post both sexist and condescending toward women.
:)
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rigger67
08-06-2016, 14:40
Good, you got my message then, as I found your post both sexist and condescending toward women.
... which I fully apologised for beforehand.
I've worked at two different student unions during my career so I know all about political correctness, hence the opening statement on that very subject.
If you still insist on thinking that I'm sexist then be my guest ..
What's wrong with being sexy?
walpurgis
08-06-2016, 14:52
Life is sexist.
Life is sexist.
Haha, sure is Geoff
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Arkless Electronics
08-06-2016, 15:06
Well I 100% agree with you Paul! I know the horrors you describe only too well... many a time I've been somewhere with a gang of pissed fat female morons dancing to the macarena...and worse... and thought about euthanasia.... They should be put out of our misery :eyebrows:
Werner Berghofer
08-06-2016, 15:24
Jez,
and thought about euthanasia.... They should be put out of our misery :eyebrows:
mind the gap, please!
Werner.
I will say this for the gals, they know how to enjoy themselves in a group.... Might not be enjoyable for me to see it and worse, hear it but i can alway go elsewhere if it becomes too much lol.
It was the same way back too.. The 6 gals dancing round a pile of handbags sound familiar? They were just wanting some female bonding
rigger67
08-06-2016, 15:35
Careful, chaps - you're being awfully chauvinistic about all this .. someone ought to say something :ner:
What's wrong with being sexy?
Having to carry a shitty stick around all the time to beat them off with.
Easily solved. Just leave your fly open, and they'll run away laughing!
Marco.
Easily solved. Just leave your fly open, and they'll run away laughing!
Marco.
Is that what you do, then?
Of course, but in my case they run away scared from the monster waving out at them!! :D
Marco.
Of course, but in my case they run away scared from the monster waving out at them!! :D
Marco.
Pics or it didn't happen!
walpurgis
08-06-2016, 17:50
http://i65.tinypic.com/2mc64pe.jpg
Not before the kiddies have finished their tea! :eyebrows:
Anyway, there's too much hilarity in here, so time for something more serious...
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/8eEVON.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/po8eEVONj)
Marco.
rigger67
09-06-2016, 11:12
This from today's Independent :
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/david-bowie-producer-tony-visconti-adele-vocals-how-much-has-been-manipulated-a7070916.html
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David Bowie producer Tony Visconti questions Adele's vocals:
'How much has been manipulated?'
'There’s a sound to pop now that is so perfect it’s boring'
Jack Shepherd
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Tony Visconti knows a thing or two about producing records by great artists; he is best known for working with David Bowie but has also produced albums by T-Rex, Iggy Pop, Morrissey, Thin Lizzy, and Manic Street Preachers. In a recent interview with The Daily Star, he heavily criticised modern pop stars, questioning how great Adele’s vocals really are.
“You turn the radio on and it’s fluff, you are listening to 90% computerised voices,” he told the paper.
“We know Adele has a great voice but it’s even questionable if that is actually her voice or how much has been manipulated. We don’t know.”
Visconti is currently involved in the Sky Arts TV talent show Guitar Star, which aims to find an authentic rock-star.
“There’s a sound to pop now that is so perfect it’s boring, because everything is fixed,” he continued.
“I’m looking for virtuosos like Hendrix, Cobain, and Bowie."
“There’s no fluffy backstory, there’s no: ‘I lost my pet dog in 97 and that made me want to play’ nonsense. No-one can mistake me for Simon Cowell. Today is the worst time ever in the music industry, but Guitar Star is a step in the right direction.”
Recently, Visconti - who worked with Bowie from 1969 until his last record, Blackstar - said there would be “some great Bowie stuff coming out” over the next few years, following the icon’s tragic death.
Now this I agree with, which is precisely why I don't listen to mainstream pop, it's not music it's manufactured, over produced pap.
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Here is the mighty Mark E Smith explaining why people buy crap records:
'It transpires that Smith is being a little coy and can in fact hold his own on bass and guitar and has even been known to tickle the ivories when the occasion demands it. Doesn’t he want to play on Fall records?
“No. The whole point of the thing is that it’s rock ‘n’ roll. That’s what people seem to forget.” He looks at me accusingly. “Working with American producers on the new album was very interesting, because they get a sound that makes people listen to the songs. It’s like a subliminal tone.”
What are you on about?
“Take a heavy metal hit – the song’s crap, what the guy’s saying is shit, what the group is playing is rudimentary heavy metal crap, but what they do is put a little thing in the middle of the sound, like a little click, so you can’t forget it. It used to be illegal. The Ministry of Defence invented it.”
Are you making this up?
The poker face relaxes into a smile.
“No, I’m not making it up. Why do you think people buy Def Leppard records then? They’re from your way aren’t they?”'
https://undeleted.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/interview-mark-e-smith-1/
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