View Full Version : Greed & Money killed my hifi habits
Virtual-Symmetry
29-05-2016, 15:32
Its true, prompted by that ad Dan put up over the Techy deck
I used to buy & collect 1st issue Prog Rock LP's - Destroyed by greedy asking prices £500-£1K per LP in most cases. I was forced to to cease buying & sell up.
I used to buy Classic British Audio - Destroyed by silly asking prices again. I was forced to sell everything as i could no go on.
I presently collect EDM 12" Singles. im close to completing my short list but i have noticed that silly asking prices of £50 per 12" have started creeping in.
I am not a greedy person just a genuine collector that uses Audio & Plays records, not one that hoards & sits on them as investment. I don't want things for nothing but i certainly refuse to pay asking prices for such things. I don't know how many more time i have to keep saying 'Things are not worth a price they are worth what you get for them'
It all makes me very cross. I have a detest for used goods dealers at best :steam:
What killed your habits was too many other people with the same habits.
I suppose there are various reasons why people might sell vintage kit or 1st ed LPs but I'd guess the sellers who bought them purely as an appreciating asset are quite few. Everyone else is asking the going rate because - that's what you do when you sell something. It is what I would do, unless I was selling to a mate, or wanted it gone quick. Not greed just common sense. I might need the money, if not now, later. Then I'd feel an idiot for letting it go so cheap.
Virtual-Symmetry
29-05-2016, 17:24
No its dealers who killed it. You cannot buy anything like that 2nd hand at a down to earth price because a dealer will have got in there first. Yes dealers recognise a trend & jump on the bandwagon.
I agree too many dealers will push up prices. That's only part of it though. The internet is now world-wide so you are competing against a lot more people for the same items. How many vintage prog collectors in China alone? Probably more than the rest of the world put together.
Yup. Anyone can find out the going price of anything these days easily so not so many bargains around but too many folk want top,top dollar these days. Id rather sell for less and get a good buyer on a place like this tbh. Some of my records have gone up a lot but some havent or in fact gone down. Ive collected records mostly blues for nearly half a century, so time to let others enjoy many of them at reasonable prices...none of my family are interested anyways
Things that are not now made but are wanted = lots of money alas if you wish to buy
Arkless Electronics
29-05-2016, 17:44
The double edged sword of the bay.... you can now find anything BUT.... you will have to pay top dollar for it! Gone are the days when you'd go in a second hand shop and pay a tenner for the "old convection heaters".... of the ESL57 variety :eek:
Virtual-Symmetry
29-05-2016, 17:44
Its a simple as this. Put a certain old amp on auction that usually go for a reasonable price. Put a crazy price on it, it sells. Other people with the same amp will recognise this & hey ho an inflated price for that item becomes standardised
Ive learned to keep mi gob shut on forums about things. Cos everyone knows people dont think for themselves :eyebrows:
Arkless Electronics
29-05-2016, 17:52
Its a simple as this. Put a certain old amp on auction that usually go for a reasonable price. Put a crazy price on it, it sells. Other people with the same amp will recognise this & hey ho an inflated price for that item becomes standardised
Ive learned to keep mi gob shut on forums about things. Cos everyone knows people dont think for themselves :eyebrows:
Yeah as an engineer it erks to see certain gear fetch silly money just cos it's an "Acme MkII" and not the Mk1 or whatever and for no good technical reason.... and then a similar but much better unit that's another make is worth now't :scratch:
Simple solution is to 'collect' Nothing ;)
No searching, no angst, no bidding, no warehousing / hoarding.
Although one could emulate Bert (sesame street) and collect Paper clips.
Much less dross for the unfortunate heirs to dispose of as well.
Haselsh1
29-05-2016, 21:57
Andr'e, absolutely lovin EDM music. I only buy what I want and I set a value to each item. If it is more than I think it is worth, no sale. I do not collect anything. I only buy what I think I want at a given time. OK so I want a Moog Sub 37...! Fourteen hundred quid...? Not worth it so I don't own one. You have to be really honest with yourself old pal. Very best wishes to you.
I'm a bit confused as to why the fact that the prices were rising meant you were "forced to ... sell up".
I can understand why you might have decided things were getting too expensive to buy, but why did you feel forced to sell what you already had?
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StanleyB
29-05-2016, 22:15
I'm a bit confused as to why the fact that the prices were rising meant you were "forced to ... sell up".
I can understand why you might have decided things were getting too expensive to buy, but why did you feel forced to sell what you already had?
Greed, as mentioned in the headline?
Greed, as mentioned in the headline?
Making money would be a sensible reason to sell but as this is Andre I doubt that was his motivation.
I don't really get the collecting thing either. Someone bought me a stamp album and some stamps when I was a kid but I didn't see the point of it. I suppose the closest I come is hi-fi equipment but I only go for stuff still off the beaten track, so not expensive. . Not everything you can still buy cheap is crap and not everything expensive is automatically good.
And it's just one or two things a year
I've a lot of admiration for serious collectors of stuff but find my own tastes too varied, and budget too limited for it. With any collection there will always be certain essential items which attract that premium and will be pursued by enthusiasts.
Not long ago I became enamoured with the Grateful Dead, now there's a black hole to swallow time and money like no other. I've come to accept I can never be a completist with these so have focused instead on recent reissues and judicious second hand purchases. I won't be chasing limited edition box sets and the like as that would prevent me from enjoying other things too.
R
I'm a bit confused as to why the fact that the prices were rising meant you were "forced to ... sell up".
I can understand why you might have decided things were getting too expensive to buy, but why did you feel forced to sell what you already had?
Yes, you echo my own thoughts; it doesn't make any sense that I can see (but then I'm not a collector at heart and EDM leaves me cold).
The only thing I collect is dust.
Anyway, what is it that one is 'collecting'? I have several thousand books, but what matters to me is the content, not the format (assuming the type is legible and the book's not actually falling to pieces). Same with music; I want to hear the music, not fondle the sleeve or drool over the cover art. I have a few hundred LPs that have some nostalgic value, and a few of those aren't available in any other format, but if I lost the lot it'd be no big deal.
Yes, you echo my own thoughts; it doesn't make any sense that I can see (but then I'm not a collector at heart and EDM leaves me cold).
Some collectors feel the need to have a full set or none at all. I have felt that myself before and its not a nice place to be. I,m fortunate to now not be that way and am happy to have a collection as my collection, and not the definative one, but i do understand the base position that collecting can do to you.
Advice is to collect what you can at prices your happy with. If you dont get em all then so what, you probably will be happier to still have something to want and hope for than just have it all and feel....is that it? ;)
Been there done that
Virtual-Symmetry
30-05-2016, 10:28
I'm a bit confused as to why the fact that the prices were rising meant you were "forced to ... sell up".
I can understand why you might have decided things were getting too expensive to buy, but why did you feel forced to sell what you already had?
Right Grant: Serious collectors are completists [Sets, Complete Discography etc]. Im one of those that if he cannot full-fill the mission it will be aborted.
Virtual-Symmetry
30-05-2016, 10:34
EDM leaves me cold
There is a lot of different styles within the EDM collective. I buy obscure underground stuff you don't get kids dancing to in a night club, i would not entertain that tripe if it were the last music on erf..
killie99
30-05-2016, 15:12
I don't get this thread. 'Stuff' is worth what people will pay for it, that's just how the world works. I can put a Steepletone on ebay for £1000 and I guarantee you no one will buy it because it's not perceived to be worth that by anyone.
Doesn't matter whether it's a Picasso, Garrard 301, original handwritten copy of a well known novel or a flawless 10 carat diamond - the actual selling price is determined by the buyers, no one else.
I'd like to collect old Ferrari's but but all those greedy owners won't sell me one for £100 .......
Spectral Morn
30-05-2016, 15:31
The market sets the price. Desirability, whether based on reality or hype, then scarcity. Its a sad fact and has been since time began, that certain things are worth more than others. Collectors, particularly the obsessive types are victims to this, whereas the rest of us buy or don't because we don't have to, to feel happy or complete.
The only plus I suppose is if you have desirable items, then reselling means you won't lose out hugely unless you are selling to a dealer, then its the law of thirds I am afraid.
Advice is to collect what you can at prices your happy with. If you dont get em all then so what, you probably will be happier to still have something to want and hope for than just have it all and feel....is that it? ;)
Been there done that
Good advice but difficult if prices increase during during the building of the collection (which I think is what Andre described).
The nearest records I have 'all of' are those by Dead Can Dance. I think I have every album (I have the rare Chicago live one - that was expensive) but I haven't bothered with every 7" and 10" ever made.
Virtual-Symmetry
31-05-2016, 13:04
Good advice but difficult if prices increase during during the building of the collection (which I think is what Andre described).
That's exactly it Mark. I was unable to complete my Prog collection. Life would be so much easier if you had all the cash on tap & not worry about ever not being able to afford such things, then i suppose you do not appreciate things if you get them easily.
I'm still not sure I understand why you sold the "classic British audio". Were you trying to collect all of it?
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Virtual-Symmetry
31-05-2016, 13:16
Yes vintage amps from certain British manufacturers mainly. The paying for the item is bad enough, but there is service, Rebuild/Restore on top that aint cheap, it all got way too much cost wise..
Sounds like you'd better look to collect something that no one else is going to be interested in!
;)
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Virtual-Symmetry
31-05-2016, 13:24
What i need to do is start keeping my gob shut. Ever since i started praising my old Ferrograph 'F307' amp over the years there's been nothing but talk about em on other forums for instance. Only a year or so ago you could pick one up for £25. Now your talking £80-150.
What i need to do is start keeping my gob shut. Ever since i started praising my old Ferrograph 'F307' amp over the years there's been nothing but talk about em on other forums for instance. Only a year or so ago you could pick one up for £25. Now your talking £80-150.
With over 500 posts in just the last month, you're not off to a great start :lol:
Virtual-Symmetry
01-06-2016, 03:32
:whistle:
I am still seeking that rocking horse poo. Everyone talks about it but have never seen it for sale. Anywhere. Someone in my village has a rocking horse in their living room near the window. Might ask there. You never know.
If I was you I wooden bother.
Audio Advent
11-06-2016, 20:38
Its a simple as this. Put a certain old amp on auction that usually go for a reasonable price. Put a crazy price on it, it sells. Other people with the same amp will recognise this & hey ho an inflated price for that item becomes standardised
Ive learned to keep mi gob shut on forums about things. Cos everyone knows people dont think for themselves :eyebrows:
It destroys the complete myth, the economic "common sense" of supply and demand! That simplistic notion completely ignores human input, one of unintentional collusion, rigging. One person sees a high price made and others think "I want a piece of that so I'll give it a go!" so then everything is priced like that and the lower priced ones snapped up and resold at the new higher norm.
Give it time and that higher price becomes normalised - no extra demand, no scarcity. The only scarcity is that of the lower price being offered.
Same with housing. Supply and demand only can work with a commodity (something that is not unique and is numerous enough to have a meaningful sample size for price discovery).
But I don't see it as greed at all. It is people simply acting on emotion, emotion that they are not going to be the chump who accepts a lower price than others.
Why were you forced to sell anything though? Didn't you like the music or the hifi in order to keep it or did you mean that you really needed the money?
Hang on, you're Andre, Barbarian again !(?)
If you like the music then find it on the internet. Collecting is not mentally healthy in my opinion and so I work hard at ignoring any urge to do so. More important is enjoyment of each thing of it's own merit.
Audio Advent
11-06-2016, 20:41
Collect money.
Then buy someone else's collection.
Thats not the spirit of a collector though... its the thrill of the collecting; building it up etc, and to be stymied at the death is very disappointing
Audio Advent
11-06-2016, 21:14
That is what people say... but is there really a thrill in collecting or is it the reverse, more of a negative feeling if that person fails to complete and frustration at time spent unable to achieve anything with the collection when they could have been enjoying life doing other things, but of course interspersed with the odd, shortly lived excitement ?
My experience of any kind of collecting is overall negative - especially the thought that the rare item may be passing under your nose if you pass by a record shop or are not trawling though ebay listings every minute, checking every buy it now before it goes etc etc. But if the items themselves really matter to you then buying someone else's collection will result in one big hit and none of the negative. If not the you'll be discovering that items don't really matter... so why then collect them all? It's discovery of what is really important to you deep down.
Virtual-Symmetry
11-06-2016, 21:29
Yes there is a thrill in collecting But everyone aint da same are they ;)
Audio Advent
17-06-2016, 02:18
That is very true. You did express at the beginning though that you were having negative feelings about being unable to collect stuff because of greedy people pushing up prices - so does that mean negative feelings do factor somewhere with collecting as you experience it too?
Certainly people are different though - many will collect on a whim as they see things but have no worries about missing out on things they could be looking for. I'm thinking of people collecting figurines for example where there is no real end, or defined set of objects to collect - then there is only the thrill of what you might find.
Good thread Andre,
and I think a few of us collector types can relate. :)
Its what happens when you can't get what your after thats the important bit I think?
It can be great to collect stuff and I'm a big one for "pride of ownership" but everything should have its limit to be healthy and any stress from collecting can take away from what it should be at it's core - fun!
But as you say we are all different mate.
Like anything I think there needs to be a balance and anyways, you cant take it with you...
It sure is nice to have stuff though?
When rebuilding my vinyl collection (ahem..) it was "important" to have, say, all of Waren Zevon's studio LPs on Vinyl.
As one of my favourite artists it felt good to have them...BUT...if one of them was unavailable for sensible money, would I have spent £££ getting that last LP?
Probably...Maybe? I have done for for other LPs.
But I would have needed to have thought about it and if circumstances said NO, then its not the end of the world.
(Have it on digital anyway and sounds as good but different :D)
As I say each to their own mate, but life's too short for sweating the small stuff.
mr sneff
17-06-2016, 08:41
Good post, Gazjam. It seems to me that prices have become ridiculous for some items, LS3/5as and Nait 1&2s for example. I wouldn't say that I was a collector, other than I buy the music I like, so perhaps I'm not the best person to comment on the 'completist' mentailty. But, perhaps, it's sometimes necessary to accept that you can't have it all. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy what you have. Saying 'if I can't have it all, I don't want any of it' is, surely, cutting off your nose to spite your face.
zygote23
17-06-2016, 08:46
I have collected vinyl for more than 30 years. I remember well the taste of excitement whilst still in school at the thought of buying up some Kiss colour vinyl singles. I never liked kiss but I had to have those singles complete with their face masks. They have long ago been binned....not sold....just thrown out!
When I lived in Belfast I chummed bout with David Holmes and collected many of the EDM and Techno 12" that he would have played at his club nights. I only have a few of these gathering dust at home now (others have been left in various places I used to live) and the'll never be played on my current system.
Up until maybe two or three years back I collect Coil and Coil related vinyl/cd/dvd.....for some reason these are highly sought after.
Then I realised it is all just stuff! Yes I love it but for the most part now if it has not been played in a while I will sell it on. I'll check Discogs to see what sort of prices are being asked and try to be a little if not a lot cheaper. I have everything as digital versions anyway so I will always be able to hear the music. I still buy vinyl but I buy it to play......sometimes it gets played only a few times but this does not bother me and as I have said I'll sell it on.
What I really don't get is a more recent trend that I have noticed of folks advertising say HiFi kit that is maybe 2nd or 3rd hand and asking 'I'd like to get what I paid for it'.....what is that all about?
Anyway....enjoy the music whilst you can....we and it are all merely dust!
Good post, Gazjam. It seems to me that prices have become ridiculous for some items, LS3/5as and Nait 1&2s for example. I wouldn't say that I was a collector, other than I buy the music I like, so perhaps I'm not the best person to comment on the 'completist' mentailty. But, perhaps, it's sometimes necessary to accept that you can't have it all. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy what you have. Saying 'if I can't have it all, I don't want any of it' is, surely, cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Used to have nearly all the albert king stuff. Then said this is silly and sold a couple to break the mold. Now i find it easier to let go....easier I said...not easy
montesquieu
17-06-2016, 09:52
I have more than 4000 LPs but I'd hesitate to call it any sort of collection. I just buy interesting records. No method, no catalogue, no attempt to check whether it's first or umpteenth or indeed only pressing, no need to keep them in any order at all. It's the music I'm interested. In. So what if there's a disk missing or one damaged side out of a six LP box set? There's 5 LPs to listen to. No leaflet? Look it up online.
I actually can't understand the collecting mentality at all. I knew a guy when I lived in Scotland who had a massive, fully catalogued collection of 50s jazz - he knew the details of every session, every recording engineer. He hardly ever played any music though and would never come to gigs when invited ... I swear I'm not convinced he actually liked jazz. What a waste.
Likewise I just can't see the point of having a wardrobe full of antique kit that rarely gets an outing.
I agree that tosser collectors have ruined the fun of playing with cheap vintage kit. But some of the people on here moaning are the very culprits.
jandl100
17-06-2016, 10:09
Yes there is a thrill in collecting But everyone aint da same are they ;)
In a nutshell, Andr'e.
The whole Collector thing baffles me.
I collect, not Collect.
If I fancy something I buy it (within cost constraints that I set myself).
If I don't get to buy it, it's no big deal. I get something else. :)
I definitely don't have, or even really understand, the Collector mindset.
And I suspect I am a happier person because of that!
Well, OK - I have a pretty much complete set of PG Wodehouse books, but that's because I want to read them time & again.
But not from a single series, just whatever editions I can get cheaply.
I have more than 4000 LPs but I'd hesitate to call it any sort of collection. I just buy interesting records. No method, no catalogue, no attempt to check whether it's first or umpteenth or indeed only pressing, no need to keep them in any order at all. It's the music I'm interested. In. So what if there's a disk missing or one damaged side out of a six LP box set? There's 5 LPs to listen to. No leaflet? Look it up online.
I actually can't understand the collecting mentality at all. I knew a guy when I lived in Scotland who had a massive, fully catalogued collection of 50s jazz - he knew the details of every session, every recording engineer. He hardly ever played any music though and would never come to gigs when invited ... I swear I'm not convinced he actually liked jazz. What a waste.
Likewise I just can't see the point of having a wardrobe full of antique kit that rarely gets an outing.
I agree that tosser collectors have ruined the fun of playing with cheap vintage kit. But some of the people on here moaning are the very culprits.
+1
I've known hifi Collectors who must have a pair of every type of LS3/5a made, and collect as many vintage ones as they can, paying OTT prices for them. In one case a chap managed to gather over 50 pairs. That sort of collecting is like OCD obsession and might even point to some sort of mental health issue, perhaps compensating for earlier problems in life or something....certainly an issue I guess familiar to may psychiatrists. It's a form of Hoarding, so I'd class this type of collector as an "organised or focused hoarder".
Record collectors are the worst. Many have little interest in the music or hifi and look on it more as an investment hobby. Such people usually have a substantial amount of disposable income and don't seem to care that they're forcing prices up for stuff which many would love to have in their collections for the music value but can not afford. Perhaps a classical piece performed in a certain venue with a certain conductor, the sort of thing that finding a digital equivalent is nigh on impossible.
Then there's the pop and rock LP Collector who must have mint 1st pressings and willing to pay silly sums but will keep it in their collections for years still in the wrapper, never to be played and occasionally pulled out to be fondly gazed upon....why I have no idea. There's probably a forum for these types somewhere on the net :rolleyes:
Ive sold over 3 boxloads of records in last couple of years.. Most was just adding to what i had and never thought of selling any. Tbh i didnt think many were worth that much and hadnt bought many recently. Prices have gone up on many, ive no idea why some do and others dont..maybe its how many survive in good nick... Ive always kept them in good condition mainly as i like clean records and a nice sleeve is nice to look at as well ... I was never ever ocd about it but occasionally i did strive to collect Albert King stuff, and a lifelong blues addiction means ive got a lot of that genre
Its a much better hobby than pissing it down the pan or going to footy games for a rumble
Oh and Big Bill Broonzy... Oh, oh, John Lee Hooker ;)
walpurgis
17-06-2016, 10:55
I have records and items of equipment that are just not being used. There's even some new stuff that has not been tried yet and may end up surplus. A 'thin down' is overdue. I really should keep only what I actually need.
I have noticed of folks advertising say HiFi kit that is maybe 2nd or 3rd hand and asking 'I'd like to get what I paid for it'.....what is that all about?
That is somebody taking the piss and being an arsehole . . . as a rule I try to avoid arsehole's.
;)
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Depends when he bought it ...might have bought it 3rd hand last month for decent price and wants same back... Not nes a bad thing.
There's a level below which an Item should not depreciate any further. If you paid that for it, then what is wrong with asking the same when you sell it?
I'll answer that for you all: Nothing.
Arkless Electronics
17-06-2016, 11:50
What i need to do is start keeping my gob shut. Ever since i started praising my old Ferrograph 'F307' amp over the years there's been nothing but talk about em on other forums for instance. Only a year or so ago you could pick one up for £25. Now your talking £80-150.
Yeah? I must get my F307 on the bay then :D Or probably not... in reality.... Why? well the thing that gets my goat about collectors etc is the obsession with aesthetic condition. Take the outer case off two F307's lets say and they are identical, both in very good working order and sound exactly as a F307 should sound.
Now the one with a scratch on the cover will be worth say £35 and the one with no marks on the cover £160.... Silly.
Ive sold over 3 boxloads of records in last couple of years.. Most was just adding to what i had and never thought of selling any. Tbh i didnt think many were worth that much and hadnt bought many recently. Prices have gone up on many, ive no idea why some do and others dont..maybe its how many survive in good nick... Ive always kept them in good condition mainly as i like clean records and a nice sleeve is nice to look at as well ... I was never ever ocd about it but occasionally i did strive to collect Albert King stuff, and a lifelong blues addiction means ive got a lot of that genre
Its a much better hobby than pissing it down the pan or going to footy games for a rumble
Oh and Big Bill Broonzy... Oh, oh, John Lee Hooker ;)
Not forgetting old Blind Lemon One Testicle...
Those old blues guys all had a gimmick back in the day :D
Virtual-Symmetry
17-06-2016, 12:38
Yeah? I must get my F307 on the bay then :D Or probably not... in reality.... Why? well the thing that gets my goat about collectors etc is the obsession with aesthetic condition. Take the outer case off two F307's lets say and they are identical, both in very good working order and sound exactly as a F307 should sound.
Now the one with a scratch on the cover will be worth say £35 and the one with no marks on the cover £160.... Silly.
The price difference is silly but people like myself insist on mint condition equipment. i take excessive care of my equipment & i see no reason why it should not still be mint 40 years down the line.. Where as people that don't care about equipment condition & generally do not look after things are likely will find it odd.
I bought my amp & turntable nearly 35 years ago, you would be shocked how mint showroom condition they are.
Arkless Electronics
17-06-2016, 12:54
The price difference is silly but people like myself insist on mint condition equipment. i take excessive care of my equipment & i see no reason why it should not still be mint 40 years down the line.. Where as people that don't care about equipment condition & generally do not look after things are likely will find it odd.
I bought my amp & turntable nearly 35 years ago, you would be shocked how mint showroom condition they are.
It's one of the reason's I don't buy and sell equipment.... To me it is a tool to reproduce music, the amplifier is the circuit board inside etc and the way it sounds and performs is what matters.... all these "Ahh it's got a non standard on/off switch... nooooooo" or "oh it's got a small but visible scratch on it, deals off" types I just can't be doing with.... each to their own. The ones with a lint free cloth running round removing finger prints from kit make me think "nutter. Time for a sharp exit" :D
I look after my equipment as well but I'm not obsessive about it. Often small marks etc will come from friends or incumbent girlfriend not treating my hi fi with any more respect than they would the telly remote... cos to them it's no more important. Accidents happen....
Not forgetting old Blind Lemon One Testicle...
Those old blues guys all had a gimmick back in the day :D
Just a physical disability combined with the fruit of your choice and Hey Presto! - you're an authentic Delta Bluesman.
Virtual-Symmetry
17-06-2016, 13:11
Record collectors are the worst. Many have little interest in the music or hifi and look on it more as an investment hobby
Yes & like wise a lot of Hi-Fi enthusiasts own half a dozen so called well recorded records & have no real interest in music. Nothing i ever do has any motive to make money, in fact i always sell at a very low price & always give something away free to buyers..
If things were expensive i would not entertain collecting them anyway but what i was trying to say at the start is when a relatively cheap collection comes together & then some artificially creaturd asking price comes along the puts that kibosh on it, that's shit man...I refuse to pay it for a number of reasons one being if i did i would be no better than the greedy people asking the price, so you can't blame me for being part of encouraging it & like i said i would never stoop as low as ask the kind of money if i were to sell.
Virtual-Symmetry
17-06-2016, 13:24
When people say why do you insist on the original cover to your records & why are you so fussy asking if their are pen marks or stickers on the labels. Well the latter is just past owner vandalism, looks horrible & they should be flogged for it. The covers are a very important part of it. An important part of records in general is the whole experience of taking the record from the sleeve placing it on the platter, sit back admire the cover art, Just smell the vinyl :eyebrows:
With no original cover a large chunk of the magic is gone, however a CD head would never understand all this with their boring little jewel cases & text that you need a microscope to read :rolleyes:
Im not fussy about if it is a 1st issue but when a re-issue down the line lacks the Sound quality of an original i am bothered, im also bothered when the original was a gatefold sleeve & the re-issue is a budget single sleeve :nono: Cover construction quality comes into play, original label design does etc.. Lots of aspects to collection that different people have different preferences to.
Its easy for you lot to sit back & take the piss innit?
Indeed:
It's one of the reason's I don't buy and sell equipment.... To me it is a tool to reproduce music...
...to which I would add:
"Not an ornament to be admired or collected, but to be USED for its intended purpose, and thus appreciated as such."
Therefore, every bit of kit I own (all of which is listed below in my signature) gets use in my system at some point, most of it regularly. It doesn't sit around, gathering dust, or lie there so I can pet it! I also look after my kit very well and try and keep it as good as new, but not to obsessive levels.
But hey, each to his or her own! I wouldn't deride anyone for being different :)
Marco.
, im also bothered when the original was a gatefold sleeve & the re-issue is a budget single sleeve :nono: .
Its easy for you lot to sit back & take the piss innit?
I was about to ;) until you got to that bit and yes, that did use to piss me off. To the extent that I replaced all my re-issues with the gatefold originals.
Im not fussy about if it is a 1st issue but when a re-issue down the line lacks the Sound quality of an original i am bothered, im also bothered when the original was a gatefold sleeve & the re-issue is a budget single sleeve :nono: Cover construction quality comes into play, original label design does etc.. Lots of aspects to collection that different people have different preferences.
I hear you man...
But dont get TOO caught up in what other folk say is what you should have?
T'was important to me at the time (and probably still is actually looking back) that I had Daft Punk on vinyl, particularly the limited run Tron Legacy soundtrack, which I paid £200+ for a sealed vinyl copy for...but was I going to enjoy it, or keep it sealed on a bookshelf somewhere so I could maybe sell it further down the line?
As it turned out...
one day I said "fuck it" and just burst the shrink wrap, stuck it on my turntable and enjoyed it.
Heard a few months later that it was to be reissued on vinyl due to demand!
Does that make me regret paying big moolah on it at the time?
Not at all...because who the fuck knows what might happen, and besides, If I do decide to sell (which I wont) I have the original numbered release, which MIGHT be worth something in the future.
Point of this post is to say is that its a fickle market, dont plan on planning too far ahead and its what you enjoy right now thats the important bit.
Dont get caught up in all the crap thats flying about...just enjoy what you like.
Dont get caught up in all the crap thats flying about...just enjoy what you like.
What e' said.
Hi-fi for me is for playing and enjoying music, not for constantly comparing against other hi-fi - enjoy it for what it is.
:)
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jandl100
26-06-2016, 18:12
I have some vintage gear that I bought purely 100% for its looks, and I just love seeing it there on the shelf every day. For me it is in use!
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