SL-1200G specification

[rchinn]

More details about the new 1200's out today via Vinyl Factory (http://http://www.thevinylfactory.com/vinyl-factory-news/technics-sl-1200g-standard-edition-turntable-specs/):

Twin-Rotor Surface-Facing Direct Drive motor
Direct Drive Motor Controller
High Sensitive Tonearm
Brass-Top Turntable Platter
Insulator
Technics Definitive Design
Inherited design from the SL-1200 series
Heavy Aluminum Top Plate

Turntable Section

Type: Direct Drive Manual Turntable
Turntable Speeds: 33 1/3 rpm, 45 rpm, 78 rpm
Variable Range Pitch: ±8%, ±16%
Wow and Flutter: 0.025%　W.R.M.S. (JIS C5521)
Rumble: 78dB　(IEC 98A Weighted)
Turntable Platter : Weight: Approx. 3.6kg (Including rubber sheet)

Tonearm Section

Type: Universal, Static Balance
Overhang: 15mm
Arm Height Adjustment Range: 0-6mm
Applicable Cartridge Weight Range:
Without auxiliary weight 5.6 – 12.0g
14.3 – 20.7g (including headshell)
With small auxiliary weight
10.0 – 16.4g
18.7 – 25.1g (including headshell)
With large auxiliary weight
14.3 – 19.8g
23.0 – 28.5g (including headshell)

General

Terminal: Phono Output x 1 / SIGNAL GND x 1
Power Supply: AC110-240 V, 50 Hz / 60 Hz
Power Consumption: 14 W / Approx. 0.2W (Standby)
Dimensions: W: 453 mm H: 173 mm D: 372 mm (Height including dust cover)
Weight: Approx. 18kg

[Ammonite Audio]

There's a review of the SL-1200GAE in the latest HiFi News. Deeply impressive technical performance but the reviewer makes guarded comments about such things as 'vocal timbre' being not quite up with the best. That's most likely down to the tonearm which, according to an associate who has evaluated the new SL-1200GAE, is not the best and certainly not up to the very accomplished standard of the motor unit. I think that this thing deserves to do well in the marketplace.

[costerdock]

Same exact specs as the M5G - am I missing something? Great specs for sure though!

Technics SL-1210M5G Features & Specifications:
Wow and Flutter 0.01% WRMS, 0.025% WRMS (JIS C5521), ±0.035% peak (IEC 98A Weighted)
Rumble -56dB (IEC 98A Unweighted), -78dB (IEC Weighted)

[Ammonite Audio]

The HiFi News test measurements indicate absolute speed stability at +0.006% with low rate wow of just 0.01% and rumble figures that only the costliest SME and TechDas turntables can match. Those measurements on their own don't tell everything about how a turntable will portray real music, but it does look like Technics have produced something of a technical marvel here, albeit not exactly a budget one. In their quest to eliminate 'motor cogging' effects, which were clearly highlighted in the PFM rotational speed stability tests, Technics have adopted flat-wound motor coils which are what Kenwood have used for decades, to good effect. I'm not about to rush out to hear the new SL-1200, but I'd be very surprised if it was not intrinsically more musically articulate than the old version. It will be interesting to see what options emerge for fitting alternative tonearms to it, since that appears to be its only weak spot.

[pure sound]

The motor re-design certainly appears to constitute much more than just improving psu regulation. Significantly increased torque and a more substantial platter too. It also appears that the arm is a good deal more sophisticated. Sounds like a lot of good engineering for the price.

There is mention of a possible stand alone motor unit at some point too.

[Ammonite Audio]

May I say that, much as I admire the engineering behind the new Technics, I'd have one of your Motus 'tables over one of these any day? Exceptional motor unit in the Technics aside, there is much more intuitive and clever thinking behind the STST designs.

[fletchdirect]

Like I've said before (and I have only heard the new Technics dulledly chiming through Krall via an Ortofon Black PMP in Bristol) but they haven't addressed the right areas vs what the mk2 etc had to offer.
Apparently there has been a review in Hifi News - has anyone seen this, can they post a pdf scan of it? Apparently some of the new Technics' music making skills were criticised, which may have been attributable to the arm.
My instinct is that they should have sold the new one armless, offered a variety of armboards and focused on the important stuff like external psu, new matt, bearing etc.
They seem to have got it so wrong. Inc that ridiculous price.

[pure sound]

The rest of the system used at Bristol was pretty dreadful tbh.

The new model was reviewed very well by HiFi News who rated its technical performance alongside the best decks they've ever measured.
They also felt that the arm was significantly improved over the old one. Perhaps they felt it fell short in terms of the width of presentation compared with some belt driven decks. Overall though they seemed impressed by the sound from it despite the price being more than 4x what it was.

It appears to me that Technics have addressed weaknesses in the platter's construction and in the drive system's smoothness.

They did also hint that a stand alone motor unit might also be forthcoming at some point. A new SP10?

Personally I'd be inclined to reserve judgement on it until I'd heard it in a system I was familiar with & with a better cartridge.

Regarding the price, I think they've got that part about right.

[337alant]

After reading the review in the HIFI mag I don’t see the justification in the price hike :scratch:
Ok they re-designed the motor, so what and its not exactly new technology used ?, kenwood and Pioneer already done that
They say they have had to spend money n new tooling as the old dies are worn or damaged, again so what are they telling us they have been using the same dies for the last 30 years, no they make new ones every time to old ones wear.
Every time Technichs /Panasonic develop a new product they have to completely design the product from scratch and produce all new tooling for it but do they sell every product for 3.5 grand ?, no because no one will buy them
This stinks of Technics cashing in on the AudioFOOOOOOOOL market probably advised on pricing by the audiofool dealers :mental:
They say the the new turntable is directed at audiophile market but look at it is the same DJ turntable, what do we need a speed slider and DJ queuing light for, every one wires these out as unnecessary circuitry.
The platter is still the same the arm is said to be reworked but looks the same, the same cheap platter mat and head shell
Have they done anything with the platter bearing ??????????????

This is a joke and a massive sales blag IMO, WTF are you actually getting for the asking price ?
I love the original 1200 and still own one and it can be improved to some sensible modifications and Panasonic had the opportunity to address all of the original shortcomings and could have justifiably produced a true audio version of this Iconic turntable, but instead they have just reproduced the same old £500 turntable and are asking silly money

Just my 2p
Alan

[helma]

The platter is still the same the arm is said to be reworked but looks the same, the same cheap platter mat and head shell
Have they done anything with the platter bearing ??????????????


The platter definitely is different (3.3kg vs 2kg or so) and likewise is the platter bearing I think. The arm also is completely different to my understanding, despite having a similar appearance to the original. Actually I don't think there's anything reused from the original design.

Doesn't seem to me it's sensibly positioned in the market though and for that kind of dough I think they'd been better off ditching the SL-1200 look and going for something more like the SP-series. Then again I wonder what their biggest market is in their plans, perhaps in Japan it's a different ball game.

[Virtual-Symmetry]

Specifications Specifications lets all get impressed with Specifications..

:rolleyes:

[Marco]

Good if you're playing Top Trumps ;)

Marco.

[Wakefield Turntables]

I'll stick with my old 1210 it does the job just fine.

[Virtual-Symmetry]

Good if you're playing Top Trumps ;)

Marco.

Aye that about all Specs are useful for.

The importance of Specs, Brand Names, High Prices. Are these kind of people for real?

[Marco]

I'll stick with my old 1210 it does the job just fine.

Well... What's left of it apart from the motor? :eyebrows:

[Yes, I know I'm the same]. Feck that new thing, though. It's existence is largely pointless.

Marco.

[eu_73]

Is the new SL-1200 GAE built in Japan or elsewhere?

[jamington2004]

Amazed at all the negativity on here about something no one has heard.

£2.8 k seems pretty good if it's anywhere half decent - look at the price of the Inspire Monarch without arm and that seems hailed with good reviews? Or any other turntable in the £3k new with arm price band - my guess is it will surely be in the same league as a lot of them / better than some / worse than some

I think its cool a mainstream technology company are trying to build a decent turntable

My pennies worth having been reading up in great anticipation :)

[m10]

I suspect we are the wrong audience for the 'new' Techie, as we're all quite happy with the old one - in various states of modification. I think it's unfair to carp at the price of the new one if you've spent hundreds or even thousands modding the original.

One key thing here is the pitch slider and the light - (a) it's a massive assumption that everyone disables them (not true) and I use the cueing light every time I use the table; (b) the look and feel of this thing is actually important - to most people the 1200 is the definitive Techie (DJ accoutrements and all) and the new one has to look like it. The look will drive sales as much as the performance will. Otherwise we'd all just buy an Orbe. Or something.

Interesting that Time Step have already slapped an external PSU and SME IV on the GAE. Apparently they were approached by Technics to work on the deck...

[jamington2004]

I suspect we are the wrong audience for the 'new' Techie, as we're all quite happy with the old one - in various states of modification. I think it's unfair to carp at the price of the new one if you've spent hundreds or even thousands modding the original.

One key thing here is the pitch slider and the light - (a) it's a massive assumption that everyone disables them (not true) and I use the cueing light every time I use the table; (b) the look and feel of this thing is actually important - to most people the 1200 is the definitive Techie (DJ accoutrements and all) and the new one has to look like it. The look will drive sales as much as the performance will. Otherwise we'd all just buy an Orbe. Or something.

Interesting that Time Step have already slapped an external PSU and SME IV on the GAE. Apparently they were approached by Technics to work on the deck...

Indeed - for me it's a plug and play deck which anyone into modification won't be happy with :)

Even so called audiophiles who like to tinker are a rare breed - I imagine there is a much larger market for people who want a very good deck that they like the look and feel of and they will just keep and happily play for years to come. As well as the 1210 nostalgia :) Pitch control and little lights to play also appeal to to the wider audience us who like gadgets!

I have done all the cable swapping and multi boxes and isolation platforms, and modified 1210s - and now I just know what good sound sounds like and want to listen to something close to it without all the hassle. Must drive a man mad to try and decipher if the sound is better with a pitch slider and target light disabled or not!!! ;)

Bought a Project xtension with arm and built in speed control and power supply for that very reason. Maybe it would have been marginally less awesome than my current deck - but it would have been very close and less boxes and fiddly bits :) (unfortunately had to send it back due to fault speed box - doh!)

So I think this 1210 will sell very well to people like me - whatver I am? A lover of nice shiny stuff that sounds great?

And in fact I have one on the way to me so will try and report back a brief report as to whether it is "as good" as my last couple of decks (modded 1210 and Inspire SE12 V2)

:)