View Full Version : Hillsborough inquests: 'justice' for the 96 dead. Now we await accountability...
...for REAL justice to be served!! If I'd lost a son or daughter in such appalling circumstances, I'd want to avenge them, but in the right way :exactly:
And that means that the senior police officers, from South Yorkshire police, who caused the tragedy: those cowardly bastards and liars (especially that two-faced incompetent waste of sperm, Duckenfield, who idiotically opened the gates and unlawfully killed those INNOCENT 96 people in Hillsborough, as a result of gross negligence manslaughter) and also Crompton, with his empty 'apologies' to the families of the victims, whom he called liars, are made to properly pay for their actions, including the media involved for the blatant LIES that were printed, and that callous and insensitive chinless wonder of Maggie Thatcher's, Bernard Ingham, with his ridiculous eyebrows:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/bernard-ingham-who-called-liverpool-fans-tanked-up-yobs-still-refuses-to-apologise-to-hillsborough-families-despite-inquest-findings-34661783.html
...are made to rot in jail for the remainder of their sorry lives. If anyone needs a good 'cockpunching', it's him!
One thing that riles me beyond belief is the ingrained high-level corruption that exists in this country, and the police/government cover-ups, in order to protect the misdemeanours of self-serving 'bigwigs' and the establishment, which happens all the time - and this one is surely the daddy of them all!
The RIGHT result needs to happen, in order to deliver TRUE JUSTICE for all those poor people who lost loved ones on that fateful day in Hillsborough, on the 5th April 1989, and also had the shame of having their sons and daughters ignorantly branded as "tanked-up yobs" and "drunken louts", when the real louts (scum) are still at large....
Your views on this rather emotive topic, please, gentlemen?
Marco.
A feeling of shame that this country could do this to it,s own people to protect those in power , and also a sense of humble pride that this country has produced people of the calibre of those who have fought for so long to put this right These are people of real worth in our society.As a footnote and without taking anything away from the 96 cause ,I live in an ex mining village and although I was not a miner I am from mining stock ,and witnessed similar misuse of authority power to demonise other honest ,decent folk.,when the government,media and judicial system act together it is almost impossible to fight.The only down side is that this country also produced those that lied and perverted the course of justice etc,some may be scapegoated ,but they will pick up and start again
Agree with above. It is not as uncommon as some folk want to make out. Nothing but pride in folkvwho fought the lies for so long
Watch out for the usual "lessons will be learned moving forward" bullshit...
If anything will make people stand up to the establishment it will be this.
Heads should roll over this, but sadly my gut says they wont.
I agree fully with Patrick Dixon's comments, on the concurrent discussion of pfm:
Undoubtedly Duckenfield will now be prosecuted, and Sheffield Wed and their engineers will have to answer too, but hopefully those responsible for the cover-up, the original Coroner and those in the Police will also be held to account - and the FA too for appointing a ground so unfit to hold their Cup semi-final.
Bad though the disaster was, the cover-up was almost worse in that it made the families and friends of the dead suffer for so many more years.
But finally, some justice.
Well done Andy Burnham and a plague on you Jack Straw.
:clap: :clap:
All those who are guilty of negligence and/or cover ups and lies, involving this tragedy, should be brought to justice in the most hard-hitting and effective way possible. A proper example needs to be made of these scum, in order to show that society will ultimately not tolerate this type of behaviour.
Marco.
Firebottle
27-04-2016, 10:42
As usual this whole sorry saga just shows the 'cover thy arse' syndrome by those in command when they fuck up.
Throughout my career when I've balls things up I've admitted to it. It's ALWAYS resulted in less hassle, less blame, and much quicker resolution to any problems.
If only everyone had the fortitude and honesty.......
As a footnote and without taking anything away from the 96 cause ,I live in an ex mining village and although I was not a miner I am from mining stock ,and witnessed similar misuse of authority power to demonise other honest ,decent folk.,when the government,media and judicial system act together it is almost impossible to fight.
But, in true northern spirit, FIGHT they did, to ensure that justice was delivered in the end - no matter how long it took. It's testament to the tenacity and 'never say die' attitude of the Liverpool people, that they simply wouldn't 'shut up' and allow the whole sorry and appalling mess to simply be brushed under the carpet.
I just LOVE that type of 'get it right up them' attitude, and a refusal to bow down to the authorities, when such behaviour is entirely justified. Gawn ya Scousers - we're proud of ya!! :yesbruv:
Now let's finish the job and ensure that all of those who are guilty PAY - and pay ROYALLY for what they did. It's time for certain chickens to come home to roost.... Unfortunately, due to him recently dying of cancer (karma at work?) we can no longer do anything about the corrupt coroner, who being 'in the pockets' of the police, 'massaged' the details of the original inquests.
May he rot in hell for eternity.
Marco.
As is often the case in these types of discussions, Tony L nails it:
The thing I hope the verdict shines the brightest spotlight on are the political parties, individual politicians, police and "journalists" who very consciously and deliberately conspired to cover the true events up. These people are an utter disgrace to this nation and no witch-hunt is too great in exposing them IMO. Every last one needs to be brought to the fullest force of the law. In a fair society there should be the potential for victims/victims families to take a class action suit against a whole political party in such a scenario.
http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=187482&page=3
Hear, hear!!! I share his utter abhorrence of government/establishment corruption and cover ups, and the scumbag wankstains who perpetrate it. Expose them ALL, leave no stone unturned and make them pay, BIG TIME...... This time we seek justified retribution, as society needs to finally rid itself of this evil cancer.
In terms of Tony's last point, I'd make it law. A truly fair society is what we all deserve!
Marco.
There has never been a truly fair society and there never will be so forget that.
On the other hand everyone enjoys a witch hunt.
My guess is that will never happen either.
I never saw the point of it all, anyway - we all knew the truth already - the police are incompetent and lack integrity, likewise the politicians, and as for the Sun and its so-called journalists, nothing that could happen to any of them that were involved could be bad enough that I would feel sorry for them.
But that is life, you pick up the pieces and you carry on.
There has never been a truly fair society and there never will be so forget that.
Yes I know, but we can try as much as possible to gain greater fairness. That fight should never end. Just 'sitting back and accepting it' [the existence of unfairness and corruption] is not the answer, and indeed probably a big part of the problem.
Long live those in our world with the gumption to stand up and fight for what is right!
Marco.
...and as for the Sun and its so-called journalists, nothing that could happen to any of them that were involved could be bad enough that I would feel sorry for them.
I'd round them all up (especially that fucker, Kelvin MacKenzie) and lock them in a room for ten minutes with the families of the victims, and whatever happens, happens...! ;)
Marco.
Yes I know, but we can try as much as possible to gain greater fairness. That fight should never end. Just 'sitting back and accepting it' [the existence of unfairness and corruption] is not the answer, and indeed probably a big part of the problem.
Long live those in our world with the gumption to stand up and fight for what is right!
Marco.
Agree 100%
Bad things happen when good men do nothing...
Indeed. Had to laugh at that bell-end MacKenzie being rather 'robustly questioned' outside his house by a CH4 news reporter:
http://www.channel4.com/news/kelvin-mackenzie-doorstepped-by-channel-4-news
Hahahaha... I hope he felt suitably harassed and uncomfortable, and will feel even more so when he is brought to account for his actions! I'd 'pick his pocket' in a way that he'd never forget... ;)
Marco.
Another insightful comment on pfm:
"What horrible fcukwit Mackenzie is. The Sun falsely claimed on its front page that Liverpool fans urinated on the police and picked the pockets of the dead, under the headline The Truth. Mackenzie was the editor and decided to print the story like that, despite the protestations of some of his journalists.
Mackenzie, Thatcher, Ingham, and Jack Straw, all seemed in league to smear and blame Liverpool supporters, while deliberately ignoring the dangerous behaviour of the police and other organizations.
It has taken 27 years for the truth to come out in a coroner's court. The 96 Liverpool supporters who died are now recognized to have been unlawfully killed. Two and a half decades, which shows just how corrupt the police and legal system is in the UK.
Mackenzie, Ingham and the others, still refuse to answer accusations made against them and have scuttled into hiding. Jack Straw says he's sorry, so he f***ing should be. Anybody who has broken the law should be prosecuted..."
Cannot argue with any of that. The emboldened text is undeniably true, and simply a sad reflection on the state of our society - and it's high time something was done about it.
Marco.
Nothing will be done coz its those types who decide and make the laws.. Like the Torys in commons today saying they are glad the truth was got at but it should now be hushed up again..you just cant win with folk like that.
Then perhaps it's time for another riot, or a revolution? People power!! The establishment fat cats can do hee-haw about that... I say, bring it on, as folk are sick and tired of being fucked about ;)
Marco.
Roll out the police and army is what they do. Riots And people uprisings are ok for other countries, not for the established establishment.. The US and UK are 2 of a kind that way. Lol
Revolutions are for johnny foreigner.
There are better ways of getting things done.
walpurgis
27-04-2016, 16:01
Revolutions are for johnny foreigner.
There are better ways of getting things done.
Yup. A military coup would get it all over and done with much more quickly! ;)
The Black Adder
27-04-2016, 16:11
Indeed. Had to laugh at that bell-end MacKenzie being rather 'robustly questioned' outside his house by a CH4 news reporter:
http://www.channel4.com/news/kelvin-mackenzie-doorstepped-by-channel-4-news
Hahahaha... I hope he felt suitably harassed and uncomfortable, and will feel even more so when he is brought to account for his actions! I'd 'pick his pocket' in a way that he'd never forget... ;)
Marco.
lol... that was great to see him squirm. I had not seen that.
Indeed. Had to laugh at that bell-end MacKenzie being rather 'robustly questioned' outside his house by a CH4 news reporter:
http://www.channel4.com/news/kelvin-mackenzie-doorstepped-by-channel-4-news
Hahahaha... I hope he felt suitably harassed and uncomfortable, and will feel even more so when he is brought to account for his actions! I'd 'pick his pocket' in a way that he'd never forget... ;)
Marco.
This clip is the best response I've heard to McKenzie's part in the whole sorry affair:
http://www.lbc.co.uk/james-obrien-takes-aim-at-kelvin-mackenzie-over-hillsborough-129469
Top notch. Now there's a dude who tells it *exactly* as it is, and isn't afraid to do so. James O'Brien for PM! :yesbruv:
"That's Great Britain", indeed. Although, when you scratch beneath the surface, I'm not sure quite what exactly is so "Great" about it.....
Marco.
The Black Adder
27-04-2016, 16:58
+1
That was a stonking response... THAT should be all over the news, right now... But I'm sure Murdoch and McKenzie will buy in to make sure it stays out of the terrestrials.
The Black Adder
27-04-2016, 18:03
In the 80's I used to go to Wednesday matches with my dad and my uncle. I remember the time when they fitted the fences along the front line of the cop. We always stood in the south stand. Everyone at the time didn't like the fences and a friend of ours who used to stand in the cop said that it felt like a jail.
At the time of the disaster we lived just up the road from Hillsborough in Ecclesfield. I remember the day and even moreso the day after as I drove up Leppings Lane. I remember lots of litter but the road was open which felt odd.
Spectral Morn
27-04-2016, 19:01
I watched the footage on You Tube earlier today, there is footage recorded live off RTE, and the whole thing was a shambles, no one appeared to be in control. I watched it with growing horror at the complete and utter lack of any kind of joint up thinking. There must have been procedures in place for those sort of eventualities and yet it took ages for the police or medical or fire brigade to do anything.
I applaud the courageous actions of fans who saved people helping them over the bars, to the stalls above, but so many died and they shouldn't have.
Looking at it, it seems that there was a mindset in place, these are scum football fans, hoods and I wonder if the police being of a mind to deal with troublemakers rioters took way too long to move into disaster event policing. Someone should have taken control, did anyone ? I saw children hurt, women hurt and I saw people dying in that footage, all human beings first and foremost. Cluster fuck describes what I saw.
The press, what they said at the time stunk and still does, they should be punished too. I am glad the victims finally have some redress but its way too late and that it took this long is appalling.
96 human being died that day, not football fans, not working class no bodies, thugs but valuable human beings.
After watching the footage I ended up at the Bradford stand fire (don't go watch it unless you want your mind scarred forever ) and what a contrast, the police are heroes in that incident, and members of the public there to watch a game of football also. Putting their lives second to rescue folks trapped and drag people from the fire.
I remember seeing that live, don't know how cause I am not into sport or football and it was shocking just how quickly that incident happened. There is footage of policemen clothes burning as they rescue and clear the stands, a policeman who's head is on fire, and similar for civilians doing their best to save lives.
The worst footage is towards the end when a man walks from the stand fully alight head to toe, as I write this I can still see that and policemen run to put coats over him, again putting their lives at risk to help, heroes one and all, 56 died that day.
People make mistakes, the police make mistakes and yes folks who make mistakes that cost lives should pay for that. Its a shame its taken so long for justice to happen, or maybe that should be begin to happen.
I watched it as it happened knowing my father and one of my brothers were there and having no idea if they were okay.
No desire to watch it again.
Yes, I saw both on telly. Not good days for anyone. I do remember many sick things being bandied about which was ooo then, and much worse now. There will of course always be folk who will try and trash folks memory. some for fun, and some for cash,... You do however expect, no unreasonably, the authorities to be above that, but alas no. I remember the Ibrox disaster being handled in a much better way; maybe it was the times, where folk were more decent to one and other
Spectral Morn
08-05-2016, 21:04
I watched the footage on You Tube earlier today, there is footage recorded live off RTE, and the whole thing was a shambles, no one appeared to be in control. I watched it with growing horror at the complete and utter lack of any kind of joint up thinking. There must have been procedures in place for those sort of eventualities and yet it took ages for the police or medical or fire brigade to do anything.
I applaud the courageous actions of fans who saved people helping them over the bars, to the stalls above, but so many died and they shouldn't have.
Looking at it, it seems that there was a mindset in place, these are scum football fans, hoods and I wonder if the police being of a mind to deal with troublemakers rioters took way too long to move into disaster event policing. Someone should have taken control, did anyone ? I saw children hurt, women hurt and I saw people dying in that footage, all human beings first and foremost. Cluster fuck describes what I saw.
The press, what they said at the time stunk and still does, they should be punished too. I am glad the victims finally have some redress but its way too late and that it took this long is appalling.
96 human being died that day, not football fans, not working class no bodies, thugs but valuable human beings.
After watching the footage I ended up at the Bradford stand fire (don't go watch it unless you want your mind scarred forever ) and what a contrast, the police are heroes in that incident, and members of the public there to watch a game of football also. Putting their lives second to rescue folks trapped and drag people from the fire.
I remember seeing that live, don't know how cause I am not into sport or football and it was shocking just how quickly that incident happened. There is footage of policemen clothes burning as they rescue and clear the stands, a policeman who's head is on fire, and similar for civilians doing their best to save lives.
The worst footage is towards the end when a man walks from the stand fully alight head to toe, as I write this I can still see that and policemen run to put coats over him, again putting their lives at risk to help, heroes one and all, 56 died that day.
People make mistakes, the police make mistakes and yes folks who make mistakes that cost lives should pay for that. Its a shame its taken so long for justice to happen, or maybe that should be begin to happen.
There were Police men and women, at Hillsborough who were heroes, rank and file officers who helped save people and put themselves at risk.
I felt it important to say that, because my post above suggests there were none, when there were. The faults lie further up the chain, and the guy ultimately in charge David Duckenfield.
I am watching the documentary on the BBC 2 (now) and I have seen the courageous actions of police officers.
very true Neil, although their silence afterwards was less than laudable, although understandable given the pressure put on many of them from above etc. Alas, many orginizations work on the principle that you never split on someone or something your told to say; you follow the lead or are ostracised.
I am watching the documentary on the BBC 2 (now) and I have seen the courageous actions of police officers.
We watched it last night as well. It seems like a very important documentary that shows in some depth the extent of the cover-up that took 27 years fully expose. It is quite upsetting in parts.
It is available for another 29 days on iPlayer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07bgnkn/hillsborough
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