View Full Version : We need to get something straight, Vinyl or Vinyls ??
Hope this is in the correct topic area but sorry if not, anyway I saw this on Facebook and found it amusing
We need to get something straight.
The plural word for “vinyl” is “vinyl”. There’s no need for an “s”. “Vinyls” is incorrect, “vinyls” is unnecessary, when you say “vinyls” your mouth feels like it did something wrong — it did. Still that hasn’t stopped a group from committing enough to form a petition on Change.org to make “vinyls” the official plural word.
They argue that the change would promote inclusiveness in the vinyl community and keep enthusiasts from being bullied for their (completely wrong) pronunciation. In addition, they add that the change would annoy the kind of music snobs who would overreact at the simple mispronunciation of a word and “ridicule a complete stranger [rather] than say something encouraging to a fellow “vinyls” collector”.
There’s obviously only one takeaway from this: These people are monsters and they must be stopped. Read about their evil plan on Change.org and stop saying we’re overreacting. [via Exclaim!]
http://www.factmag.com/2016/03/16/petition-to-change-the-plural-of-vinyl-to-vinyls/
"Vinyl" is an adjective, and the use of "vinyl" as a noun in this context is simply shorthand for "vinyl record", the plural of which would be "vinyl records". Even "vinyl record" is a shorthand, as it means a record made from polyvinylchloride (PVC) as distinct to any other thermosetting plastic.
I will continue to use vinyl for both singular and plural; just as the plural of sheep is sheep.
However I do have difficulty with datum and its plural data. To my mind data should be a singular collective noun: for example "data is collected ...." to me sounds better than "data are collected ....". But that's just me and I digress.
walpurgis
18-03-2016, 16:31
In civil engineering. There can be a datum and datums, from which of course data can be derived. A datum can also be a benchmark. Or derived or extrapolated from a benchmark.
Absolutely Barry and not only is it poor grammar but it sounds completely stupid, that said it amused me as much as it annoyed me :doh:
Bigman80
18-03-2016, 17:34
I love my vinyls lol
All languages - except dead languages and French - evolve. Not always in a good way.
For a long time I have used 'meeces' as a plural for mouse, having been inspired by a young work colleague who thought it was the correct plural.
We will have to live with 'vinyls' so maybe better to embrace it now. :)
All languages - except dead languages and French - evolve. Not always in a good way.
For a long time I have used 'meeces' as a plural for mouse, having been inspired by a young work colleague who thought it was the correct plural.
We will have to live with 'vinyls' so maybe better to embrace it now. :)
True languages evolve, but that does not oblige me to embrace and use linguistic affectations, which to my mind jar on the ear. I am of the same opinion when it comes to Americanisms: the use of nouns as verbs; Germanic word construction and their spelling: color, ax, meter (for metre), disk etc.
As an aside and a bit of thread drift - what do you think is the plural of 'penis'?
without googling I guess I would say 'penises' - but I know an alarm is going to go off and I lose 10 points...;)
without googling I guess I would say 'penises' - but I know an alarm is going to go off and I lose 10 points...;)
I'll give you a clue - what is the plural of crisis?
Think its penii
No - it might be if it was spelt "penus" (sic) like stylus (correct plural: stylii). What is the plural of crisis? It's crises, therefore the plural of penis is penes. Actually both 'penes' and 'penises' are accepted these days, just as both 'fora' and 'forums' are.
Lecture over, class dismissed.
Yay! Let's go and smoke behind the bike sheds.
No - it might be if it was spelt "penus" (sic) like stylus (correct plural: styli). What is the plural of crisis? It's crises, therefore the plural of penis is penes. Actually both 'penes' and 'penises' are accepted these days, just as both 'fora' and 'forums' are.
Lecture over, class dismissed.
Ok cock :eyebrows:
Get your vinyls out for the boys :D
awkwardbydesign
19-03-2016, 19:40
All languages - except dead languages and French - evolve. Not always in a good way.
For a long time I have used 'meeces' as a plural for mouse, having been inspired by a young work colleague who thought it was the correct plural.
We will have to live with 'vinyls' so maybe better to embrace it now. :)
In fact that was current in the early '60s, from Pixie and Dixie cartoons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QI_2ERlcM8
And plural of sheep isn't sheeps? Sheesh!
And plural of sheep isn't sheeps? Sheesh!
Of course not. It's 'Baa-Baas'
BTW I am familiar with the work of Pixie And Dixie ;)
LP or LPs, I hate the trend of calling records vinyl.
I know what you mean, but I don't mind using 'vinyl' in a certain context. For example in this sentence: 'I've just bought the new Bowie album on vinyl, as I preferred it to the CD version'. In that context, for me, 'vinyl' works better than 'LP' or 'record'.
However, in this sentence: 'I've been playing records all evening and enjoying it very much' - 'records' (or even 'LPs') works better than 'vinyl'.
'Vinyls', is a nonsense, and would only be uttered by the illiterate, or perhaps kids who don't know any better.
Marco.
Yay! Let's go and smoke behind the bike sheds.
As long as it's ganja, not tobacco! :peace:
Marco.
I know what you mean, but I don't mind using 'vinyl' in a certain context. For example in this sentence: 'I've just bought the new Bowie album on vinyl, as I preferred it to the CD version'. In that context, for me, 'vinyl' works better than 'LP' or 'record'.
However, in this sentence: 'I've been playing records all evening and enjoying it very much' - 'records' (or even 'LPs') works better than 'vinyl'.
'Vinyls', is a nonsense, and would only be uttered by the illiterate, or perhaps kids who don't know any better.
Marco.
Its as good a name as any imo...but then many hate imo as well..... Vinyl plural was always vinyl to me but if its changed then fair enough and i will start saying vinyl again just to annoy.
I don't think it has 'changed' though, Grant. Besides, the person in control of the language you use is YOU, no matter what idiotic fashions dictate! ;)
Marco.
I don't think it has 'changed' though, Grant. Besides, the person in control of the language you use is YOU, no matter what idiotic fashions dictate! ;)
Marco.
Good point.
I like to use the American pronunciations of words like 'vitamin' and 'depot' because it winds some folk up to distraction, especially at work :)
Do you cross the sidewalk on the way to work during the fall, past the trashcan by the drugstore, and then buy some cilantro from the mall, for your curry on the way back to your apartment? ;)
Marco.
So how many of you roll one die, and roll multiple dice? ;)
walpurgis
21-03-2016, 16:29
Mouse is a tricky one.
Animal mouse plural: Mice
Computer mouse plural: Mouses.
Spectral Morn
21-03-2016, 16:33
Its a Record, or Records. Vinyl is what a record is made from.
Mouse is a tricky one.
Animal mouse plural: Mice
Computer mouse plural: Mouses.
I'd still say mice, regardless! ;)
Marco.
Its a Record, or Records. Vinyl is what a record is made from.
So do you think that 'Record' sounds better in this example than 'vinyl':
I know what you mean, but I don't mind using 'vinyl' in a certain context. For example in this sentence: 'I've just bought the new Bowie album on vinyl, as I preferred it to the CD version'. In that context, for me, 'vinyl' works better than 'LP' or 'record'.
'I've just bought the new Bowie album on record'? :hmm:
I'd argue, in that context, that 'vinyl' sounds better and is the more appropriate word to use.
Marco.
Rothchild
21-03-2016, 18:16
Yup, Vinyl not Vinyls here too.
Also winds me up when I see (mostly Americans) referring to 'Legos'....
When it come to the passion expressed by some when it comes to the use of the English language, and the assimilation of 'foreign' loan words, the following makes for interesting reading: http://painintheenglish.com/case/627 .
'Vinyl' is an adjective, not a noun; yet everybody would fully understand what you mean Marco in your example.
Yup, I know that. However, for me, language in not a 'rigid entity'; it should be applied in such a way ('artistically', if necessary), in order to best communicate the intended message to the reader.
That's why I would use the word 'vinyl', in the context suggested :)
Marco.
Yup, I know that. However, for me, language in not a 'rigid entity'; it should be applied in such a way ('artistically', if necessary), in order to best communicate the intended message to the reader.
That's why I would use the word 'vinyl', in the context suggested :)
Marco.
Thoroughly agree. My post was a comment, not a criticism.
However there is a vague line to be drawn: I detest 'text speak' and refuse to use it, yet I fully understand messages sent using it. Is an audio (or any other) on-line forum the place for beautiful eloquent language, even if the message can still be understood despite sloppy grammar, poor punctuation and bad spelling? Whilst I'm not perfect in practice, I believe it is common courtesy to take care with the latter when writing posts.
Oh yeah, I'm totally with you there on all counts! I detest 'text speak' with a passion, although I will occasionally use terms here such as 'lol', as for me it helps convey a friendly, informal vibe in one's responses.
However, I wish sometimes folk would use paragraphs more. One thing I find rather irritating (as it makes posts very difficult to read) is reams of prose, all jumbled up together, with few (if any) paragraphs used... :rolleyes:
Most of the time I simply by-pass such posts, as I can't be arsed 'deciphering' them!
Marco.
Oh yeah, I'm totally with you there on all counts! I detest 'text speak' with a passion.
However, I wish sometimes folk would use paragraphs more. One thing I find rather irritating (as it makes posts very difficult to read) is reams of prose, all jumbled up together, with few (if any) paragraphs used... :rolleyes:
Most of the time I simply by-pass such posts, as I can't be arsed 'deciphering' them!
Marco
As I do with those (without naming names) who use a small font size and/or centre justification.
Spectral Morn
21-03-2016, 20:02
So do you think that 'Record' sounds better in this example than 'vinyl':
'I've just bought the new Bowie album on record'? :hmm:
I'd argue, in that context, that 'vinyl' sounds better and is the more appropriate word to use.
Marco.
It could be either.
Lol, come off it, daftee, 'record', in that context, just sounds plain wrong! Would you say to someone: 'I've just bought the new Bowie album on record'?
The key point is that you want to define the format of the recording.
Marco.
Spectral Morn
21-03-2016, 20:14
Lol, come off it, daftee, 'record', in that context, just sounds plain wrong! Would you say to someone: 'I've just bought the new Bowie album on record'?
The key point is that you want to define the format of the recording.
Marco.
No I would insert the letter a, so on a record. I refer to them as records, not vinyl.
"I've just bought the new Bowie album on a record"... Yeah, that sounds right, NOT!
Lol... We'll leave it there ;)
Marco.
"I've just bought the new Bowie album on a record"... Yeah, that sounds right, NOT!
Lol... We'll leave it there ;)
Marco.
I'd probably just say "I bought the new Bowie album."
If someone then asked what format I would probably say "LP"
Though I probably wouldn't say "the new Bowie album" as it is getting on for three months old, and as he died the day after it was released and is unlikely to be putting out another, I would probably just say "I bought Blackstar", or if I thought the person I was talking to did not know much about DB maybe I might say "I bought Bowie's last album".
Then again, because I haven't got it I wouldn't be saying any of these. I can foresee perhaps one day saying: "I bought that Bowie album on eBay."
To bring this back to the OP though I would never say "I have put my new Bowie vinyl on the shelf with all my other Bowie vinyls" unless I was taking the piss.
:guitar:
The idea of saying "vinyls" I think just seems terribly wrong to anyone who actually grew up when LPs was the main release.
All fair points, Robert. It's simply down to how you express yourself.
All I meant is that if I were making a one-off statement about having bought the new (or rather latest) Bowie album (or indeed any other artist's album), and wished to communicate the fact that it was a record, not a CD, I'd have used the term 'on vinyl'.
However, I guess one could have said: 'I've bought Bowie's latest LP', which is certainly better than saying: 'I've bought the new Bowie album on a record'! ;)
Marco.
Vinyl: With sales on the up, is it time to go back to vinyl ...
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A classic 1973 recording that has been brought back to life on 180g vinyl – based on the stereo recording taken at the time, and featuring the original album artwork.
Back to Vinyl - The Office Turntable - YouTube
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Back on record – the reasons behind vinyl's unlikely comeback
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As Record Store Day shows, there's a lot more to the vinyl revival than simple nostalgia.
Back to Black : Vinyl | HMV Store
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New Releases, Pre-orders, Soundtracks & the Greatest Albums on Vinyl. Premium packaging & FREE UK delivery on orders over £10
We are not alone ;)
'I've bought Bowie's latest LP'
"I might buy the late David Bowie's latest LP later"
walpurgis
21-03-2016, 23:11
I guess some could say, 'I've bought Bowie's latest analogue LP album on a 12" 180g vinyl record' :).
Did you mean 180g? Otherwise, it'd be floppier than your old fella! :D
Marco.
walpurgis
21-03-2016, 23:19
Did you mean 180g? Otherwise, it'd be floppier than your old fella! :D
Marco.
Quite correct. I shall amend accordingly. :D
I guess some could say, 'I've bought Bowie's latest analogue LP album on a 12" 80g vinyl record' :).
I believe "album" comes from the era of 78s when a recording would be on multiple discs that were packaged in an album, like this:
http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/warp78-front_325.jpg
What about:
"I just downloaded the new Bowie LP"
?
That doesn't actually sound so wrong to me.
I believe "album" comes from the era of 78s when a recording would be on multiple discs that were packaged in an album, like this:
http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/warp78-front_325.jpg
What about:
"I just downloaded the new Bowie LP"
?
That doesn't actually sound so wrong to me.
How can you download an LP? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "I just downloaded the new Bowie recording"?
How can you download an LP? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "I just downloaded the new Bowie recording"?
"Have you got the new Bowie LP?"
"I downloaded it"
>
"I just bought a CD of the new Bowie LP"
>
"I will send you the flac I ripped of my new Bowie vinyl"
:lol:
Whilst not being entirely serious (though neither entirely joking) I was mulling over the idea that because the medium only allowed about ten minutes of recording per disc the word "album" was originally a reference to the actual physical album of multiple 78s needed for a longer piece of music,whereas now it is now understood to be either an LP, CD or download (and for a time there a tape).
So do you think that 'Record' sounds better in this example than 'vinyl':
'I've just bought the new Bowie album on record'? :hmm:
I'd argue, in that context, that 'vinyl' sounds better and is the more appropriate word to use.
Marco.
You can't change a sentence like that Marco you scallywag, use "I've just bought the new Bowie record" every music fan with a brain would realise you mean an LP. Or just say the new Bowie LP. Vinyl is a bit naff IMO and would indicate to me you are new to playing records. Old school people who grew up in the golden era of the music industry in my experience, use words like records and LPs.
But I am 57, so I use the language I prefer and don't really care what others say, it's a record or LP, CD, download or music streaming to me. Everyone seems to know what I mean :)
But 'record' is surely short for 'recording' so to say 'I bought the latest Bowie record' could mean you bought it on tape, or Cd, or download or vinyl.
LP, however, is 'long playing' to distinguish it from singles - so an LP has to be vinyl.
Back in the day we would always say 'LP' but there was only vinyl and tape then and no-one bought the pre-recorded cassette tapes. Tape was something you used to make copies of your mate's LPs, and he yours.
But 'record' is surely short for 'recording' so to say 'I bought the latest Bowie record' could mean you bought it on tape, or Cd, or download or vinyl.
LP, however, is 'long playing' to distinguish it from singles - so an LP has to be vinyl.
Good point. I think we can all agree though that the only completely unacceptable term is 'vinyls'. I don't believe that should ever be used to describe LPs or records, as it's fundamentally wrong.
Back in the day we would always say 'LP' but there was only vinyl and tape then and no-one bought the pre-recorded cassette tapes. Tape was something you used to make copies of your mate's LPs, and he yours.
On the contrary, if you examine the stats, during the heyday of cassette tape, I think you'll find that sales of pre-recorded cassette tapes outsold sales of LPs! ;)
At one time (particularly during the era of the Walkman), it was the favoured music carrier of the masses. Not that I bought many of them, however, as they generally sounded shit.
Marco.
Good point. I think we can all agree though that the only completely unacceptable term is 'vinyls'. I don't believe that should ever be used to describe LPs or records, as it's fundamentally wrong.
I think we should have a new forum rule whereby anyone using the word "vinyls" should be given and immediate and non-negotiable fifteen minute ban from accessing the site.
I think we should have a new forum rule whereby anyone using the word "vinyls" should be given and immediate and non-negotiable fifteen minute ban from accessing the site.
Make it fifteen years. Harsh but fair.
Indeed, including the guilty party having to prance around their local town centre on a Saturday afternoon, dressed in a pink tutu, and subsequently post pictorial evidence for our perusal, although some may actually enjoy that! :D
Marco.
'I see you sent your letters back
And my LP records and they're all scratched'
as The Police sang, somewhat unnecessarily since, as Macca points out, back then you would just say LPs.
Of course, they could have sung:
'And my LPs and they're all scratched'
but that wouldn't scan, so it could be updated to:
'And my vinyl records and they're all scratched'
walpurgis
22-03-2016, 10:15
Same treatment for anybody who thinks they own an 'intergrated' amplifier. ;)
Same treatment for anybody who thinks they own an 'intergrated' amplifier. ;)
Indeed. And anyone who thinks their system 'looses' definition at low levels.
Of course, they could have sung:
"I see you've sent my letters back
And my FLAC files, and they're all corrupted"
"I see you've sent my letters back
And my FLAC files, and they're all corrupted"
The first line also needs to be changed:
'I see you've unfriended me on Facebook'
Spectral Morn
22-03-2016, 10:59
You can't change a sentence like that Marco you scallywag, use "I've just bought the new Bowie record" every music fan with a brain would realise you mean an LP. Or just say the new Bowie LP. Vinyl is a bit naff IMO and would indicate to me you are new to playing records. Old school people who grew up in the golden era of the music industry in my experience, use words like records and LPs.
But I am 57, so I use the language I prefer and don't really care what others say, it's a record or LP, CD, download or music streaming to me. Everyone seems to know what I mean :)
Precisely.
A 33 was common in my youth as opposed to a 78. Think vinyl came about as it was new and initially called unbreakable as oppsed to shellac... There is something nice about the records that bear the unbreakable on the label....
I expect several likes and rep points for this;)
Have none of you ever bought records in record shops? Never seen a vinyl shop anywhere and if I did I would expect it to be for flooring or something.
Kids soon won't know what a record shop is - they will have to re-brand them as a 'vinyls shop'.
Or 'Vinyls 4U'
Give it another generation and they won't even know what a shop is.
Kids soon won't know what a record shop is - they will have to re-brand them as a 'vinyls shop'.
Or 'Vinyls 4U'
Give it another generation and they won't even know what a shop is.
Very good Martin!! Will the likes of W H Smiths have a Vinyl section or are the youf of today going to order them from the Mighty amazon , in a cardboard protector??
In Whitchurch ,our local town ,when I was a teenager , we had 4 sources for records , 2 independant shops and Woolies and W H Smiths.
Cob Records in Wrexham and over in Portmadoc , was an Aladdins cave of second hand Vinyl LP's !
Will they get popular enough again for them to be stocked locally ,or is this already the case in built up areas ??
In Whitchurch ,our local town ,when I was a teenager , we had 4 sources for records , 2 independant shops and Woolies and W H Smiths.
Cob Records in Wrexham and over in Portmadoc , was an Aladdins cave of second hand Vinyl LP's !
'Cob Records' !!! That's a blast from the past...:)
We had a syndicate at school, they'd send out a monthly catalogue, the more we bought the better the discount, as I recall we didn't get many duff ones...and back in the mid '70s it was the only way I could afford albums/records/LPs/vinyl/vinyls (delete where applicable ;)).
Waiting for the deliveries, was quite a highlight of my youth (it can get dull on a farm in north Cumbria)...also the right to record everyone else's albums/records/LPs/vinyl/vinyls (delete where applicable ;)), on a tape/cassette/recorder (delete where applicable again ;)), before they were delivered to school was a bonus...:cool:
Clive197
24-03-2016, 09:54
America and Britain, two countries separated by a common language.
Oh, and if your visiting relatives in upstate New York DO NOT offer to 'lay' the table.
America and Britain, two countries separated by a common language.
Oh, and if your visiting relatives in upstate New York DO NOT offer to 'lay' the table.
Poor souls never did get the lingo right did they:D
'Cob Records' !!! That's a blast from the past...:)
We had a syndicate at school, they'd send out a monthly catalogue, the more we bought the better the discount, as I recall we didn't get many duff ones...and back in the mid '70s it was the only way I could afford albums/records/LPs/vinyl/vinyls (delete where applicable ;)).
Waiting for the deliveries, was quite a highlight of my youth (it can get dull on a farm in north Cumbria)...also the right to record everyone else's albums/records/LPs/vinyl/vinyls (delete where applicable ;)), on a tape/cassette/recorder (delete where applicable again ;)), before they were delivered to school was a bonus...:cool:
You got me googling Wad . I have not been to Porthmadoc for maybe 15 years or more , but a quick search produced this
http://cobrecords.com/ The highlight of my year was a camping trip to Black Rock sands and several visits to Cob Records :youtheman:
Swapped loads of LP's which I now wish I had kept ;)
You got me googling Wad . I have not been to Porthmadoc for maybe 15 years or more , but a quick search produced this
http://cobrecords.com/ The highlight of my year was a camping trip to Black Rock sands and several visits to Cob Records :youtheman:
Swapped loads of LP's which I now wish I had kept ;)
Excellent to see they're still going, cheers Anto...:cool:
Been a few times to Cob there, and also in Bangor, before it closed. Good shop, but as is often the case with some of these places, a lot of what they sell is grossly overpriced, and they're not big on giving discounts.
Anto, next time you're in Wrexham, check out Moonlight Records, in Bridge St. Brian's a top bloke and always up for a deal! :cool:
Marco.
Been a few times to Cob there, and also in Bangor, before it closed. Good shop, but as is often the case with some of these places, a lot of what they sell is grossly overpriced, and they're not big on giving discounts.
Anto, next time you're in Wrexham, check out Moonlight Records, in Bridge St. Brian's a top bloke and always up for a deal! :cool:
Marco.
Cheers Marco. I rarely stroll down the high Street in Wrexham ,as you may know ,my visits tend to be up the Mold Road direction in search of a :cool: in the Turf and an afternoons footie ,before buggering off back to England ,for the milking !!!
But I shall bear that in mind !! :)
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