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Just having another look again, I think it's an E63 AMG Kompressor... But interestingly, they've used an older style Merc, similar to mine.
Marco.
I did think that when I first saw it. Surely it is because they know you drive one. Can't be any doubt about it.:exactly:
They also used a retro low res digital camera too. Are we sure this isn't an old advert?
Hm 16th April 2016. OK so they have gone for Marco retro cool then. No question:)
Yeah, that's got to be it... :D
Marco.
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You're more than welcome. Drive the Porkster like a normal human being and you can get 38mpg max on quick roads. Drive it less sensibly and you can get it under 30.
I'll PM when the time is good for me at any rate. I'll dose you with the 211s and chase you with the vintage Accuphase M60's - the contrast between the two is pretty immense and very interesting in terms of exploring what the speakers can do. I'm keeping both for the foreseeable.
You're more than welcome. Drive the Porkster like a normal human being and you can get 38mpg max on quick roads. Drive it less sensibly and you can get it under 30.
Not bad at all for a petrol jobby! :)
One of the reasons of course why I went for an 'oil-burner' was to get maximum fuel economy (from a performance car) when driving long distances, especially abroad, which is the whole point of why I went for the type of car I did. To get good mpg, from a 3.5-litre engine, it had to be diesel. Plus, I love the torque! Petrols just don't do the torque thing.
I like both sportiness/performance and comfort, not to mention driving something different from the norm... Can't stand having the same type of car many others have, which is why I dig the customising scene. For me, judicious customisation, and doing something different/bespoke from the norm, is every bit as important with a car, as it is with a hi-fi system! ;)
If I drive like monk, on long-distance motorway work, I can get nearly 50 mpg. Managed 48 on my last trip to Scotland. However, if I cane it, it's more like 32, and in towns worse...
I'll PM when the time is good for me at any rate. I'll dose you with the 211s and chase you with the vintage Accuphase M60's - the contrast between the two is pretty immense and very interesting in terms of exploring what the speakers can do. I'm keeping both for the foreseeable.
Cool - just let me know. Look forward to it! :cool:
Marco.
This might sound odd, but I am in no way as into cars as I am into hi-fi. I just like driving a good car, whereas I'll spend hours reading about hi-fi.
I am a fan of the US custom car scene, though, as presented on the various Sky channels that cover it - Kindig It Design being my fave. But I don't dig any deeper than the programs on TV and don't actually want to own many of the cars, if that makes any sense. I just like watching the insanity of the design and engineering that goes into them.
Not odd at all. I used to be like that too, but as my hi-fi system these days is pretty much a 'done deal', my disposable income generally goes on music and 'toys' for my car (amongst other things).
As such, I'm now more into cars than hi-fi. Therefore, I enjoy tweaking those, for maximum performance, in the way I used to do (and still do to a smaller extent) with my system, which is the whole thing with the new lightweight alloy wheels :)
Oh, and I almost never buy new cars, simply because they depreciate in value way too quickly, and I like to get maximum 'vroom-per-pound', if you see what I mean, much like SPPV with hi-fi.
Next will be a new Longlife stainless steel quad exhaust system (replacing the existing Brabus one), to get a bit more GROWL (in a nice way) from the engine. Being a Merc, and diesel, it's rather too 'polite' in that respect. I'm looking for some ANIMAL MENACE, and perhaps a few more bhp.... :eek: :eyebrows:
If you're unaware of Longlife, read here: https://www.longlife.co.uk/performance
Marco.
As long as it shuts up during normal driving and only goes insane when you push the car hard. That, IMHO, is exactly what you want. There are plenty of chavs about driving rubbish cars with permanently loud exhausts on them. Do NOT join them.
The lid down, even on a soft top, really helps you to get the most out of a good exhaust. You should get to hear what I mean by that.
I had a long life exhaust on my Peugeot 306 DTurbo as it was cheaper than the replacements offered elsewhere.
However, bear in mind that Brabus will have probably developed the exhaust on a dyno. Therefore I think that this will be money wasted if in search of BHP.
As long as it shuts up during normal driving and only goes insane when you push the car hard. That, IMHO, is exactly what you want. There are plenty of chavs about driving rubbish cars with permanently loud exhausts on them. Do NOT join them.
Jeez yes, fuck that. There's NO WAY I'd want that kind of nonsense; just as you say, a bit more 'insanity' when accelerating hard, as at the moment, being the type of car it is (most Merc drivers opt for sedateness), and a diesel, which traditionally doesn't make the same noise with a tuned engine, as petrol cars do. In that respect, it's just a bit too 'tame'...
It doesn't feel 'tame', though, when you're in it (far from it), but you get my point ;)
Also, if I can eke out another 20bhp or so from the engine, similar to what was outlined on the Longlife website, and get it up to 320bhp, that would be nice. I'm also toying with the idea of removing the Brabus tuning box at the same time and having the engine re-mapped, in conjunction with the performance exhaust, so that both work in unison.
What do you guys think? :)
Marco.
However, bear in mind that Brabus will have probably developed the exhaust on a dyno. Therefore I think that this will be money wasted if in search of BHP.
Good point, Kevin. I'm only mulling it over just now (see my last post), but if the new exhaust isn't fitted also to gain some bhp, it'll be done for the 'growl factor'.
Kevin (my mechanic) has been working with Longlife stuff for years, and knows exactly how to 'tune' the results (cutting and shaping pipes, removing or changing boxes, etc) for the best sound - and he'll play with it until he gets it absolutely right.
This guy is a proper enthusiast :)
Marco.
What do you guys think? :)
If you plan on keeping it for a while and don't mind spending the dosh, why not, if you really like the car?
I am not sure what the market value of the car will do, though.
That doesn't concern me in the slightest, mate.
I bought the car, with just over 50k miles on the clock (which is shit all for this type of car and diesel engine), for £18k (after having set a max cash budget of £20k - don't do loans or credit), and it was mint, inside and out (still is), so I intend to run the car up to 120k miles or so (currently at 62k), and get my money's worth from it, before selling it on. And whatever I get at that stage, I get, and then it's onto the next project!
Perhaps a nice Alpina BMW? ;) There's some pant-wetting stuff here: http://www.alpina-automobiles.co.uk/en/
The reason why I asked your opinion though, was to see if you thought that re-mapping the engine, for maximum performance, in conjunction with the new sports exhaust, could potentially be better than retaining the existing Brabus D6 tuning box, with the new exhaust? Kevin's of these guys who would take the time to optimise everything for the best results.
My thinking is that the tuning box is a 'fixed device', in terms of the parameters it works to, whereas re-mapping is 'bespoke', and therefore the results obtained will be down to how good an understanding the person doing the job has of the engine in question, and in that respect (and in terms of how to optimise the performance of Longlife exhausts), Kev is an expert.
It's probably just one of those ones to 'suck and see'...! :)
Marco.
I think those Mandrus wheels are spot on:thumbsup:
walpurgis
02-05-2016, 08:58
I think those Mandrus wheels are spot on:thumbsup:
Yeah. I like 'em too. I'm waiting to see the piccies once they are fitted. :)
Cheers, guys. I think they'll look great. They should be here, I hope, by the end of the week. Piccies will be taken once da wheelz are in situ :cool:
Marco.
So you bought a Brabus Merc and are now thinking about taking all the Brabus bits off? :doh:
:lol:
Lol! Only some of them... And they can easily be refitted to the car later, or sold separately for a profit - especially the D6 tuning box! ;)
Just because it's got 'Brabus' on it, doesn't mean it's the best.... Remember also that the existing exhaust system has been fitted to the car since 2009, so things get a little 'tired'. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with it. I just fancy experimenting! :)
Marco.
I think those Mandrus wheels are spot on:thumbsup:
Check here, for a really nice picture of them, fitted to a car not too dissimilar to mine (you can also enlarge the pic): https://www.flickr.com/photos/butlertire/25265231982/
Marco.
Check here, for a really nice picture of them, fitted to a car not too dissimilar to mine (you can also enlarge the pic): https://www.flickr.com/photos/butlertire/25265231982/
Marco.
Nice.
That doesn't concern me in the slightest, mate.
I bought the car, with just over 50k miles on the clock (which is shit all for this type of car and diesel engine), for £18k (after having set a max cash budget of £20k - don't do loans or credit), and it was mint, inside and out (still is), so I intend to run the car up to 120k miles or so (currently at 62k), and get my money's worth from it, before selling it on. And whatever I get at that stage, I get, and then it's onto the next project!
Perhaps a nice Alpina BMW? ;) There's some pant-wetting stuff here: http://www.alpina-automobiles.co.uk/en/
The reason why I asked your opinion though, was to see if you thought that re-mapping the engine, for maximum performance, in conjunction with the new sports exhaust, could potentially be better than retaining the existing Brabus D6 tuning box, with the new exhaust? Kevin's of these guys who would take the time to optimise everything for the best results.
My thinking is that the tuning box is a 'fixed device', in terms of the parameters it works to, whereas re-mapping is 'bespoke', and therefore the results obtained will be down to how good an understanding the person doing the job has of the engine in question, and in that respect (and in terms of how to optimise the performance of Longlife exhausts), Kev is an expert.
It's probably just one of those ones to 'suck and see'...! :)
Marco.
I think it is a w205 c63 AMG in the BT ad... A nice car!
I'd always prefer a full remap to a tuning box - you will always get a better optimised result with your own setup, taking advantage of exhausts, intake mods, injectors or whatever you have fitted. Msl in Birmingham have a good reputation on the merc tuning scene.
While we are showing somw love for mercs, here is a picture of my new baby!
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1560/25473047724_5ffb1bff23_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ENY2C1)20160313_132854 (1) (2) (https://flic.kr/p/ENY2C1) by alexmastersuk (https://www.flickr.com/photos/14548229@N07/), on Flickr
It's lovely in every way - the sound under acceleration is awesome, and the thrust is just immense. I think the fuel tank must have a leak in it though!.
I think these wheels would look good on a black car - spokes have a black painted insert, and they are titanium coloured rather than silver.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rvtknvrq6bpcu56/File%2005.05.16%2001%2023%2031.jpeg?raw=1
Hi Alex,
I think it is a w205 c63 AMG in the BT ad... A nice car!
Yup, having since scrutinised the video even closer, it DEFO is!
I'd always prefer a full remap to a tuning box - you will always get a better optimised result with your own setup, taking advantage of exhausts, intake mods, injectors or whatever you have fitted. Msl in Birmingham have a good reputation on the merc tuning scene.
That was precisely my thinking, so I'm glad you've confirmed it. I think that's definitely the way I'll go.
It doesn't matter about losing a Brabus part from the car, as first of all (much like my hi-fi system), I'm quite happy to use my own judgement, and modify the car along those lines ahead of what is dictated by any manufacturer, and secondly, and more importantly, I can sell the Brabus tuning box separately on one of the Mercedes users forums or ebay, and for decent money, which will pay for the remap. A win-win! ;)
While we are showing somw love for mercs, here is a picture of my new baby!
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1560/25473047724_5ffb1bff23_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ENY2C1)20160313_132854 (1) (2) (https://flic.kr/p/ENY2C1) by alexmastersuk (https://www.flickr.com/photos/14548229@N07/), on Flickr
It's lovely in every way - the sound under acceleration is awesome, and the thrust is just immense. I think the fuel tank must have a leak in it though!.
Gorgeous - you must be very pleased with it. However, I'm not surprised about the "leak" in the fuel tank! :eyebrows:
That's why I didn't go for something like that, or one of the out-and-out mentalist Mercedes-based cars, which Brabus are renowned for, as it just wouldn't have been practical for my needs. Therefore, the car I've got was carefully chosen for the best compromise between sportiness/performance, comfort and practicality (as well as 'bespokeness', which is important to me), so aside from anything else, it had to be a diesel and have a decent sized boot and four doors!
Therefore, after having searched through 1000s of cars, on pretty much every car sales website you could think of, when the Brabus V6 C350 came up, with the right mileage and in utterly mint condition, it ticked all the right boxes, and I just had to have it. I don't buy brand new cars because they depreciate too much in value, and I'm not that keen on the interiors of the latest Mercs (too much plastic and bling, IMHO), so a quality, not too old used car, with low mileage, was what was needed.
Also, having previously owned a C320 CDI Mercedes estate car, I knew it (and the bigger C350) was a peach of an engine, as any review site will tell you, and there's a certain driving quality (smoothness/effortlessness) with Mercedes and BMWs you just don't get with other cars, which I love. You'll know what I mean!
Even as it is, the car goes like shit off a shovel (especially in terms of torque), and I think when I've had the remap done, new quad exhaust system fitted, and everything there optimised, along with the Mandrus lightweight alloys fitted, it'll be even better, which will increase the fun factor of driving it accordingly [the whole point of why I own a car].... :trust: :D
I think these wheels would look good on a black car - spokes have a black painted insert, and they are titanium coloured rather than silver.
I like those wheels on your car, but I'm defo of the matt-black wheel school of thought, as it looks more 'brutal' - and it's brutal I like, lol. I've seen black wheels on white Mercs, like yours, and I think they look fab! :)
Not a Merc, but it illustrates my point (love the contrast): https://www.flickr.com/photos/butlertire/24695419455/in/photostream/ and: https://www.flickr.com/photos/butlertire/24669214996/in/photostream/
Marco.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rvtknvrq6bpcu56/File%2005.05.16%2001%2023%2031.jpeg?raw=1
Ha - very good! :D
The new wheels have arrived in the UK, and are due to be shipped to the place where they're being fitted to the car on Friday. Can't wait! :yay:
Pics to follow....
Marco.
Hi Alex,
It doesn't matter about losing a Brabus part from the car, as first of all (much like my hi-fi system), I'm quite happy to use my own judgement, and modify the car along those lines ahead of what is dictated by any manufacturer, and secondly, and more importantly, I can sell the Brabus tuning box separately on one of the Mercedes users forums or ebay, and for decent money, which will pay for the remap. A win-win! ;)
Sounds like a good plan. There's nothing wrong with the Brabus tuning box as a way of doing things, but it is worth talking to a few tuners to get an idea of the likely gains that can be achieved above and beyond what you already have. I think there will be something to be had, but you're already running higher boost and fueling so gains may be fairly marginal unless you want to look at hardware changes. It'
Gorgeous - you must be very pleased with it. However, I'm not surprised about the "leak" in the fuel tank! :eyebrows:
That's why I didn't go for something like that, or one of the out-and-out mentalist Mercedes-based cars, which Brabus are renowned for, as it just wouldn't have been practical for my needs. Therefore, the car I've got was carefully chosen for the best compromise between sportiness/performance, comfort and practicality (as well as 'bespokeness', which is important to me), so aside from anything else, it had to be a diesel and have a decent sized boot and four doors!
Yes, I need four doors and five seats too, with performance and usability as a family transport. Luckily it's not my only car (also got a W211 E320 CDI estate for trips to Ikea and the dump :)) and I do a limited mileage so fuel bills aren't as big a problem as they might be. I've seen as much as 27Mpg on the motorway, so not a complete disaster!. The engine is just immense in terms of torque and power - I do need to fit an LSD to my car as it didn't come fitted with one - looking at the Quaife engineering ATB (Torsen) diff, which transforms the handling of the car. Traction is limited with 285/30R19 rear tires at present.
Therefore, after having searched through 1000s of cars, on pretty much every car sales website you could think of, when the Brabus V6 C350 came up, with the right mileage and in utterly mint condition, it ticked all the right boxes, and I just had to have it. I don't buy brand new cars because they depreciate too much in value, and I'm not that keen on the interiors of the latest Mercs (too much plastic and bling, IMHO), so a quality, not too old used car, with low mileage, was what was needed.
Also, having previously owned a C320 CDI Mercedes estate car, I knew it (and the bigger C350) was a peach of an engine, as any review site will tell you, and there's a certain driving quality (smoothness/effortlessness) with Mercedes and BMWs you just don't get with other cars, which I love. You'll know what I mean!
Even as it is, the car goes like shit off a shovel (especially in terms of torque), and I think when I've had the remap done, new quad exhaust system fitted, and everything there optimised, along with the Mandrus lightweight alloys fitted, it'll be even better, which will increase the fun factor of driving it accordingly [which is the whole point of why I own a car].... :trust: :D
It's a very nice car and I can see why you like it so much. Yes, it's good to be a second owner of a posh Merc because the depreciation is horrendous!. I got mine for less than half of list, two and a half years old with 17.5k miles. I like the interior of the W211 E63 - it's very well appointed, and has every option and a less 'let's put iPads everywhere' and chintzy carbon fibre bling everywhere and the quality is very high. It still looks like a car interior.
I do like the Mercedes way of doing things - certain traits are common in the way they drive.. smooth ride, great directional stability at high speeds, comfort and quality. I worry that they are loosing that in search of being a direct competitor to BMW, which would be a shame I think
http://image.motortrend.com/f/31811829%2Bw750/2010-mercedes-benz-e63-AMG-interior-view.jpg
I like those wheels on your car, but I'm defo of the matt-black wheel school of thought, as it looks more 'brutal' - and it's brutal I like, lol. I've seen black wheels on white Mercs, like yours, and I think they look fab! :)
Not a Merc, but it illustrates my point (love the contrast): https://www.flickr.com/photos/butlertire/24695419455/in/photostream/ and: https://www.flickr.com/photos/butlertire/24669214996/in/photostream/
Marco.
Hmm.. I see what you mean - those wheels do look very nice on that Beemer!.
Also, having previously owned a C320 CDI Mercedes estate car, I knew it (and the bigger C350) was a peach of an engine, as any review site will tell you, and there's a certain driving quality (smoothness/effortlessness) with Mercedes and BMWs you just don't get with other cars, which I love. You'll know what I mean!
Not always. I got it into my head I'd buy the new GLA when it came out. The GLA220 diesel was horrid - really rough on acceleration. The GLA250 was a peach, really - nice and smooth but I returned it on 21.7 MPG. Joke MPG when compared to the claimed. Me no buy.
I also had a recent E class with a rough diesel in it to for a bit. Can't remember what it was exactly it was about 2 years ago.
The 3.0 petrol V6 in my last Merc was fab, though.
Virtual-Symmetry
05-05-2016, 13:10
If you buy a proper Merc then you can have proper wheels
:D
http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/2012/06/25/if-mercedes-were-to-engineer-their-1955-1963-190sl-design-today-this-is-what-it-would-like/mercedes-1961-190sl-renntech-with-evod-wheels-d/
I was in the back of an E220 last night and the engine was barely audible at all - I was quite impressed!. In general, I've had it with Diesels. My E320CDI has been troublesome and I miss revving a petrol engine out.
I know that a lot of DI diesels had a problems with noisy injectors, and MB replaced a lot under warranty
If you buy a proper Merc then you can have proper wheels
:D
http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/2012/06/25/if-mercedes-were-to-engineer-their-1955-1963-190sl-design-today-this-is-what-it-would-like/mercedes-1961-190sl-renntech-with-evod-wheels-d/
Beautiful car - disgusting wheels!
Virtual-Symmetry
05-05-2016, 13:59
:eek:
Sounds like a good plan. There's nothing wrong with the Brabus tuning box as a way of doing things, but it is worth talking to a few tuners to get an idea of the likely gains that can be achieved above and beyond what you already have. I think there will be something to be had, but you're already running higher boost and fueling so gains may be fairly marginal unless you want to look at hardware changes. It'
Indeed. However, it would be interesting to see what could be done. MSL look interesting, so I'll probably give them a call and see what they say.
Yes, I need four doors and five seats too, with performance and usability as a family transport. Luckily it's not my only car (also got a W211 E320 CDI estate for trips to Ikea and the dump :)) and I do a limited mileage so fuel bills aren't as big a problem as they might be. I've seen as much as 27Mpg on the motorway, so not a complete disaster!.
27mpg at best - ouch! I can just imagine how much it would cost driving to Italy with that :eek: Mind you, you'd take the E320 estate for that job - get plenty of booze in it, too! ;)
I'm looking forward to taking the Brabster to Germany later this year, and to try it out on the Autobahn. I think it's good for 155mph (restricted), so if there are some nice straights, clear of traffic, we'll see what happens! :eyebrows:
It's a very nice car and I can see why you like it so much. Yes, it's good to be a second owner of a posh Merc because the depreciation is horrendous!
Absolutely. I just wouldn't entertain it. Let some other bugger swallow that loss!
Yes, I love the car, simply because it's a hoot to drive, and touch wood, I've had no problems with it whatsoever.
Every time I get behind the wheel, and go out onto the wide-open (often empty) roads, which thankfully there are plenty of here in North Wales, and hare round some country lanes, it puts a smile on my face! Either that, or gliding along the motorway, in 7th gear at 85mph, doing less than 3000 revs, with almost no wind noise (or really any noise) inside the cabin, as the engine is just effortless!
It doesn't half make driving long distances a totally stress-free experience :)
I got mine for less than half of list, two and a half years old with 17.5k miles. I like the interior of the W211 E63 - it's very well appointed, and has every option and a less 'let's put iPads everywhere' and chintzy carbon fibre bling everywhere and the quality is very high. It still looks like a car interior.
I do like the Mercedes way of doing things - certain traits are common in the way they drive.. smooth ride, great directional stability at high speeds, comfort and quality. I worry that they are loosing that in search of being a direct competitor to BMW, which would be a shame I think
http://image.motortrend.com/f/31811829%2Bw750/2010-mercedes-benz-e63-AMG-interior-view.jpg
Yup, we're in total agreement there... They're going a bit too 'boy-racery', and as such IMO, entering a no-man's land between catering for the needs of traditional Mercedes buyers and those who would more likely opt for a BMW.
I'm no Mercedes fanboy though, and so my next car will very likely be an Alpina BMW, or Audi (maybe RS7?) who for me currently have the nicest range of cars by a country mile. We'll see what's around in 3 years, or so, when I sell this!
The interior of that E63 AMG is very nice, and defo not too blingy. It's actually rather similar to the inside of my car:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/922/yox3k4.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmyox3k4j)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/924/EM41JL.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poEM41JLj)
Simple, clean lines, understated, yet classy - and hardly any cheap looking plastic, which I hate with a passion! For me, there's no excuse for that on a £30k car (or more) :nono:
Hmm.. I see what you mean - those wheels do look very nice on that Beemer!.
Gorgeous, aren't they? Too many folk play it safe with sliver! ;)
Marco.
Not always. I got it into my head I'd buy the new GLA when it came out. The GLA220 diesel was horrid - really rough on acceleration. The GLA250 was a peach, really - nice and smooth but I returned it on 21.7 MPG. Joke MPG when compared to the claimed. Me no buy.
I also had a recent E class with a rough diesel in it to for a bit. Can't remember what it was exactly it was about 2 years ago.
The 3.0 petrol V6 in my last Merc was fab, though.
Sure, it just depends on your relevant experience. All the Mercs I've had have been great, and only one of them was petrol. I much prefer the two diesels I've had, neither of which I've had any major problems with.
For me, the torque you get with big diesel engines is just fab. They can make similar-sized petrol engines just seem limp. Revvy yes, and entertaining, but ultimately somewhat 'flaccid' in comparison ;)
Marco.
If you buy a proper Merc then you can have proper wheels
:D
http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/2012/06/25/if-mercedes-were-to-engineer-their-1955-1963-190sl-design-today-this-is-what-it-would-like/mercedes-1961-190sl-renntech-with-evod-wheels-d/
Lol... Nice, but I agree with Alex about the wheels! :spew:
Marco.
I was in the back of an E220 last night and the engine was barely audible at all - I was quite impressed!. In general, I've had it with Diesels. My E320CDI has been troublesome and I miss revving a petrol engine out.
I know that a lot of DI diesels had a problems with noisy injectors, and MB replaced a lot under warranty
Again, it's largely down to your Donald Duck.... If I ever decide to have the luxury of running two big cars (my wife has a little A-Class), with one of them a proper sports car, then of course that would be petrol. However, until then, when I need good fuel economy for taking the car abroad, it's diesel all the way.
The Brabster's been through two MOTs now, in my possession, and has sailed through them both - but then I operate a 'preventative car maintenance' policy, so have the car inspected regularly throughout the year, and carry out any work that's needing done BEFORE it becomes a problem. One of the key areas, for example, to watch with Mercs with automatic gear boxes is that the gearbox oil (and filter) is changed at appropriate intervals, and not to wait until the last minute to do it.
It's amazing how many folk just think about changing engine oil, but forget all about the gearbox, which is one of the most expensive parts of the car, if it goes tits up!! :doh:
The other thing is a lot of folk buy these sorts of cars, as they can just about afford the price tag to start with, but then can't afford to run or maintain them, should anything major go wrong... Crazy! You should never overstretch yourself like that, just to ponce about in a 'posh' car. That's also why I always take out a separate warranty (a good one), as it can help pay towards unexpected major repairs.
Marco.
Again, it's largely down to your Donald Duck.... If I ever decide to have the luxury of running two big cars (my wife has a little A-Class), with one of them a proper sports car, then of course that would be petrol. However, until then, when I need good fuel economy for taking the car abroad, it's diesel all the way.
The Brabster's been through two MOTs now, in my possession, and has sailed through them both - but then I operate a 'preventative car maintenance' policy, so have the car inspected regularly throughout the year, and carry out any work that's needing done BEFORE it becomes a problem. One of the key areas, for example, to watch with Mercs with automatic gear boxes is that the gearbox oil (and filter) is changed at appropriate intervals, and not wait until the last minute to do it.
It's amazing how many folk just think about changing engine oil, but forget all about the gearbox, which is one of the most expensive parts of the car, if it goes tits up!! :doh:
The other thing is a lot of folk buy these sorts of cars, as they can just about afford the price tag to start with, but then can't afford to run or maintain them, should anything major go wrong... Crazy! You should never overstretch yourself like that, just to ponce about in a 'posh' car. That's also why I always take out a separate warranty (a good one), as it can help pay towards unexpected major repairs.
Marco.
I bought my other E class car new in 2004, and had quite a few problems with it early on - batteries not charging properly, a turbo failure, a wiring loom problem. Early W211s could be problematic, but (touch wood) it hasn't cost me anything other than normal servicing for years, so maybe you could classify them as teething issues. Being an estate, it is super practical - I play with a band and it takes a ton of stuff in the back with the seats down.
For some reason a lot of car companies decided circa 2000 that auto boxes could be sealed for life... big mistake!. An auto transmission is a finely toleranced electro-hydraulic assembly, and they do beat up even synthetic transmission oils. you also get contamination from clutch packs wearing etc that contaminates the oil. if you regularly change the oil and filter in the gearbox they will run forever... if not then expect bills.. big ones.
Sure, it just depends on your relevant experience.
Not really. Objectively, those diesels were shit. There are much better diesels around. I am not knocking good diesels. These just weren't good diesels.
TBH I reckon VW Golf TDI diesels are good. And we aren't talking a great car there. A league ahead of the quoted Mercs in terms of refinement and very good between 30-70.
Not really. Objectively, those diesels were shit. There are much better diesels around.
Sure, the specific ones you've mentioned may well be (I've got no experience of them). I was simply talking about the diesel Mercs I've owned, both of which have been exemplary :)
Marco.
Ninanina
05-05-2016, 22:12
The new wheels have arrived in the UK, and are due to be shipped to the place where they're being fitted to the car on Friday. Can't wait! :yay:
Pics to follow....
Marco.
I can't wait to see them..... :spew: :lolsign:
Hehehehe... You'll love 'em, cos I went for a custom option, and the centre caps are cucumber shaped! :D
Marco.
Another great example of black wheels on a white car:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/wHatHd.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/powHatHdj)
Oh yes, mamma!! :stalks: :drool:
Marco.
My thinking is that the tuning box is a 'fixed device', in terms of the parameters it works to, whereas re-mapping is 'bespoke', and therefore the results obtained will be down to how good an understanding the person doing the job has of the engine in question.
When i had my track (occasional road) car, i had more maps done than I’ve got fingers or toes and some. A bit like Hi-Fi i was always swapping injectors, turbo's, intercoolers etc to find the best gain.
Fortunately for me my mapper was a very good mate and it was either free or mates rates.
One thing i will say from experience is that tuning boxes are ok’ish but they’re never specific to your own car or the mods you’ve done to it. Also mappers who flash a generic map (based on the mods you’ve done) onto your car on a rolling road isn’t imo ideal either. For example I’ve taken a few maps from the Power commander database (based on my exhaust and inlet mods on my bike) and flashed them onto the ECU with wildly different and frankly horrible results.
For me, the best results always came from mapping on the road or on track in “real life” conditions. The only downside being that the speeds required to map in higher gears will result (if caught) in a very lengthy ban.
If you go that route, find a reputable mapper and stick with him/her.
Over the years I’ve seen so many horror stories of inexperienced mappers running a engine too lean etc and destroying the motor in no time at all.
Just my 2 cents :)
Ninanina
06-05-2016, 18:23
Hehehehe... You'll love 'em, cos I went for a custom option, and the centre caps are cucumber shaped! :D
Marco.
Are if they have cucumber shaped centre caps then all is well :D:D :eek::eek:
When i had my track (occasional road) car, i had more maps done than I’ve got fingers or toes and some. A bit like Hi-Fi i was always swapping injectors, turbo's, intercoolers etc to find the best gain.
Fortunately for me my mapper was a very good mate and it was either free or mates rates.
One thing i will say from experience is that tuning boxes are ok’ish but they’re never specific to your own car or the mods you’ve done to it. Also mappers who flash a generic map (based on the mods you’ve done) onto your car on a rolling road isn’t imo ideal either. For example I’ve taken a few maps from the Power commander database (based on my exhaust and inlet mods on my bike) and flashed them onto the ECU with wildly different and frankly horrible results.
For me, the best results always came from mapping on the road or on track in “real life” conditions. The only downside being that the speeds required to map in higher gears will result (if caught) in a very lengthy ban.
If you go that route, find a reputable mapper and stick with him/her.
Over the years I’ve seen so many horror stories of inexperienced mappers running a engine too lean etc and destroying the motor in no time at all.
Just my 2 cents :)
I've been there, done that too with my old Impreza - hybrid turbos, headers, injectors intercoolers with a aftermarket ECU.
I've done a live mapping session on the road.. Frankly it was a terrifying experience - trying to drive in 4th gear from 1200 - 6500 rpm on a public road eight times for each load row while the mapper plays with fuelling and ignition maps without crashing.
Never again.. No way it is safe... Needs to be done on a runway or other closed road really. Much, much better than a generic map though, and I tweaked it endlessly until it was spit on.
Cheers,
Alex
walpurgis
06-05-2016, 22:29
Weren't no mapping when I used to mess about with motors. Nearest was whipping out the carb needles for an emery reprofile. Bungin' a different spring under the dashpot cover and a plug grade change. Change the Hi-Lift rocker assembly for a different ratio variant (hot cam already fitted). Maybe try another inlet manifold or set of exhaust downpipes. Then tweak with the 'Colourtune'.
Weren't no mapping when I used to mess about with motors. Nearest was whipping out the carb needles for an emery reprofile. Bungin' a different spring under the dashpot cover and a plug grade change. Change the Hi-Lift rocker assembly for a different ratio variant (hot cam already fitted). Maybe try another inlet manifold or set of exhaust downpipes. Then tweak with the 'Colourtune'.
Old skool tuning rocks! :respect:
I've been there, done that too with my old Impreza - hybrid turbos, headers, injectors intercoolers with a aftermarket ECU.
I've done a live mapping session on the road.. Frankly it was a terrifying experience - trying to drive in 4th gear from 1200 - 6500 rpm on a public road eight times for each load row while the mapper plays with fuelling and ignition maps without crashing.
Never again.. No way it is safe... Needs to be done on a runway or other closed road really. Much, much better than a generic map though, and I tweaked it endlessly until it was spit on.
Cheers,
Alex
Sounds like the same guy who did my Impreza, was he based in Swindon? Yes it was nerve racking! He had a great reputation and got great results but I had to go back to him on a few occasions to correct the mapping as not all road conditions are the same at different times of the year. Another map I had done on a different car was great initially but ultimately blew the clutch which proved very costly to replace. Thank god I got all of that out of my 'system' years ago!
Now I remember, Bob Rawl, brdevelopments. LOL, that brings back memories!
walpurgis
06-05-2016, 22:54
Old skool tuning rocks! :respect:
I'd love another old motor to play around with. GT6 with 2.5 lump? A40 with sorted 1275? MGB GT with all the bits?
When i had my track (occasional road) car, i had more maps done than I’ve got fingers or toes and some. A bit like Hi-Fi i was always swapping injectors, turbo's, intercoolers etc to find the best gain.
Fortunately for me my mapper was a very good mate and it was either free or mates rates.
One thing i will say from experience is that tuning boxes are ok’ish but they’re never specific to your own car or the mods you’ve done to it. Also mappers who flash a generic map (based on the mods you’ve done) onto your car on a rolling road isn’t imo ideal either. For example I’ve taken a few maps from the Power commander database (based on my exhaust and inlet mods on my bike) and flashed them onto the ECU with wildly different and frankly horrible results.
For me, the best results always came from mapping on the road or on track in “real life” conditions. The only downside being that the speeds required to map in higher gears will result (if caught) in a very lengthy ban.
If you go that route, find a reputable mapper and stick with him/her.
Over the years I’ve seen so many horror stories of inexperienced mappers running a engine too lean etc and destroying the motor in no time at all.
Just my 2 cents :)
Great advice there, Jon (and also Alex). The sort of stuff you guys are talking about is way above my head and level of experience so far in tuning/modifying cars, but I'd like to get into it, as unlike Neal, I haven't yet 'got it out of my system' ;)
Also, what you guys are saying pretty much concurs with what I was told yesterday by the two mechanics who work on my car, so it'll defo be a remap in conjunction with a new performance quad sports exhaust, from Longlife, with the goal of achieving maximum bhp, overall engine efficiency, and in terms of the exhaust, getting a nice 'growl'/tone from the engine... :eyebrows:
The new wheels were fitted yesterday, and I have to say they look gorgeous - even nicer than the ATS Racelight, which were on it before.
Plus, as I'd hoped for, the car 'feels' and drives even better now than it did before, especially in terms of handling and grip/acceleration. The Mandrus Rotec wheels, being considerably lighter than anything I've used before, seem to 'lock onto' the power they're being presented with more efficiently, and so react quicker when transferirng that power onto the road, thus the car 'pulls' faster when accelerating hard... Awesome! :D
More on that later, with pics to come! :cool:
Marco.
Audio Al
07-05-2016, 10:03
I have to say they look gorgeous
Says Who :scratch:
:worthless:
At Last you had your pockets shortened :lol:
walpurgis
07-05-2016, 10:22
pics to come! :cool:
Marco.
:popcorn:
After 30 'kin pages of "blah blah blah" about some wheels, you could at least have the decency to post some pictures in a timely manner.
:eek:
:worthless:
Lol.... We've got friends visiting just now, so was a bit busy :)
Ok, pics as promised. It was nicer earlier when it was sunny outside, but it's gone quite dull now....
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/921/1dkChi.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pl1dkChij)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/x8slM0.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmx8slM0j)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/923/Eba4gd.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnEba4gdj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/924/2kOWtF.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/po2kOWtFj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/921/0ml5oa.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pl0ml5oaj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/RSNkYL.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmRSNkYLj)
:cool:
Marco.
walpurgis
07-05-2016, 14:49
Yup. They definitely suit the motor Marco. Much better than the last set.
(not too sure about the cardboard 'mini spoilers' you've fitted though ;))
Audio Al
07-05-2016, 14:50
You forgot to felt tip in the number plates , nice custom cardboard jobs :D
OK spoked wheels is that it :scratch: and black :hmm: and they stick out just enough for a nice kerbing :eek:
Now I remember, Bob Rawl, brdevelopments. LOL, that brings back memories!
That's him - Bob Rawle. He's still working and maps a wide range of cars.
Oldpinkman
07-05-2016, 16:23
No question - round was the right choice :D
Stratmangler
07-05-2016, 16:32
What does the "W" in the middle stand for?
What does the "W" in the middle stand for?
'Wheel'?
Oldpinkman
07-05-2016, 17:09
Those blacked out windows remind me of the story of the blonde in the USA who turned up at a rich guys house with paint kettles and brushes
"Hi Sir - do you have any painting jobs you'd like doing?"
"What would you charge to paint the porch?"
" 100 dollars sir - and I'll give it a good rub down and 2 coats a paint"
Realizing he was exploiting , but happy to milk a sucker, our man says "Deal - 100 dollars"
About 5 hours later Blondie knocks on the door, "Sir, I'm all done. Can I have my hundred dollars?"
Our man - "You're sure that was 2 coats on the porch- I'm looking to get value here"
"Oh yes sir. I always like to give extra, so I did 2 coats on the Porche AND 2 coats on the Ferrari!"
:D
What does the "W" in the middle stand for?
Now, now. Children probably read this forum.
They probably don't
In fairness ;)
Plus, as I'd hoped for, the car 'feels' and drives even better now than it did before, especially in terms of handling and grip/acceleration. The Mandrus Rotec wheels, being considerably lighter than anything I've used before, seem to 'lock onto' the power they're being presented with more efficiently, and so react quicker when transferirng that power onto the road, thus the car 'pulls' faster when accelerating hard... Awesome! :D
Unsprung weight saving is the way forward for sure, a very good mod that a lot of people overlook.
The wheels look awesome btw, outstanding choice sir :eek:
When the P-Zero’s wear out try some Toyo R1-R’s if you want phenomenal grip in all weathers. Don’t expect any comfort using them, but when they’re up to temp you simply won’t believe what they can do! I was going to suggest R888’s but after hitting a few puddles with them on and nearly ending upside down in a tree i’m not sure its a great recommendation unless the Brabus is for dry use only. That said, i’ve got them on my Sierra XR4x4, but it only ventures out in only the sunniest of weather.
Just out of interest, have you considered or have been out on a track with your car?
Macca - I had "sometimes" as a separate sentence but deleted it for some reason.
You're right, though. They're all on Audio Abbatoir. This place is way too dull.
Macca - I had "sometimes" as a separate sentence but deleted it for some reason.
You're right, though. They're all on Audio Abbatoir. This place is way too dull.
AA is very entertaining - but someone has to have a 'proper' hi-fi forum going so I suppose that is us.
Anyway back to the motor...
That's him - Bob Rawle. He's still working and maps a wide range of cars.
That's good to hear, a very nice guy who knows his stuff. Shame the likes of scoobysport went under some years ago.
Stratmangler
07-05-2016, 21:54
Now, now. Children probably read this forum.
It could be W for Wankel, as in those notorious rotary engine manufacturers :)
Yup. They definitely suit the motor Marco. Much better than the last set.
(not too sure about the cardboard 'mini spoilers' you've fitted though ;))
Cheers, mate. I'm very pleased with them, and think that they really enhance the look of the car. I thought the cardboard added a touch of 'bohemian charm' to the overall aesthetic :eyebrows:
Marco.
Unsprung weight saving is the way forward for sure, a very good mod that a lot of people overlook.
Indeed, Jon. It's something I've been doing a bit of research on, which is why I initially went for the ATS Racelight, and then the Mandrus - that's an 'M', btw, Strats! ;)
The wheels look awesome btw, outstanding choice sir :eek:
Glad you like them. It certainly took a long time to find them!
When the P-Zero’s wear out try some Toyo R1-R’s if you want phenomenal grip in all weathers. Don’t expect any comfort using them, but when they’re up to temp you simply won’t believe what they can do!
Cheers. Noted on the Toyos - I've thought about them before, but haven't taken the plunge.
I've been using P-Zero (and P-Zero Corsas) for the last few years, and like them, although they do wear a little quicker than most, but currently have got Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric fitted at the rear (which recently replaced a pair of worn out P-Zeros), and am enjoying those a lot. They're really grippy and notably quieter than the Pirellis.
Just out of interest, have you considered or have been out on a track with your car?
Not yet, but it's interesting you ask, as I was thinking about doing it this year. Probably drop a hint to my wife to buy some track time as a birthday present :)
It's certainly got most of the bits needed to make it perform well on a track, so would love to take the car to its limits on somewhere like that! Will probably do it after the remap and new exhaust.
Marco.
It could be W for Wankel, as in those notorious rotary engine manufacturers :)
Lol - behave! :D
It's an upside down 'M', for 'Mandrus'. I'll either rotate the pic tomorrow or take another one with the wheel/centre cap the right way up :)
Marco.
Pic in avatar now rotated :)
Marco.
Someone has fitted the brake calliper on the wrong side. :lol:
Someone has fitted the brake calliper on the wrong side. :lol:
Na..Picture was taken by someone on his head....or is that out of his head ;)
Only jesting mate! Look quite nice actually. Think if they had a silver line through middle of each spoke they would be perfecto but, hey you cant have everything too early or life becomes a drag
Someone has fitted the brake calliper on the wrong side. :lol:
Lol - I know, but you get the gist! :D
Marco.
Only jesting mate! Look quite nice actually. Think if they had a silver line through middle of each spoke they would be perfecto but, hey you cant have everything too early or life becomes a drag
Indeed... I know what you mean, but I think that any more silver [the 'Mandrus' centre caps are solid, quite thick gauge aluminium], and so set the black of the wheels off nicely, would dilute the overall 'brutality' - and we can't have that! :nono: :eyebrows:
Marco.
Ninanina
08-05-2016, 23:13
They look lovely Marco... :lol::lol:
Where are the cucumbers ? :eek:
Press the 'M' in the middle, on each wheel, and a nice juicy one pops out! :eyebrows:
Marco.
walpurgis
08-05-2016, 23:19
Ah. The Saladin model! :D
Lol... If you're curious about Brabus, check out this dude who goes for a tour of their factory:
UUacKDmTl8Q
I'll take the GLE 850, although tons of fun could be had in that Business Lounge! ;)
Marco.
This is drop-dead GORGEOUS [Audi-TT RS]....
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/SkePTH.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmSkePTHj)
Love the matt-style paintwork! :stalks: :drool:
Marco.
Agreed... there is something very attractive about undercoat charcoal grey on a nice car, and thats a VERY nice car.... Still rather have mine though ;)
walpurgis
11-05-2016, 21:42
This is drop-dead GORGEOUS [Audi-TT RS].
Marco.
Sorry. It doesn't appeal to me at all Marco.
Not keen on the Audi TT and I wouldn't entertain a matt finish (unless it's on an ex-army Land Rover :)). They are tricky to keep smart and just look as though they're awaiting their lacquer coat to me. Not to mention the problems with paintwork repairs if it gets a knock.
Hey guys, it's all about opinions! I love that Audi to bits, and largely because of the matt paint finish, which makes it look 'brutal'. I like to be different (and own things that are unique), and that paint finish makes the car unique in a way that no gloss painted car would be :)
Marco.
Surely it needs matt finish wheels as well?
Looks like a half arsed job to me.
Just buy a tank and have done with it.
Surely it needs matt finish wheels as well?
I'm not sure that they're gloss (could be just how the light's shining on them), but I didn't post the picture to show off the wheels! ;)
Marco.
Just buy a tank and have done with it.
Out of interest, Joe, what car do you drive (make and model)? :)
Marco.
Out of interest, Joe, what car do you drive (make and model)? :)
Marco.
None at all, at the moment. Our previous car, a 15-year old Skoda Fabia, went to the knacker's yard last year and we've managed without one.
Lol... So, safe to say you're not a 'petrolhead', then? ;)
Marco.
Lol... So, safe to say you're not a 'petrolhead', then? ;)
Marco.
Indeed. I like classic cars from the 50s/60s, but most modern cars are a bit 'meh' to me.
Oh, I completely agree. Unfortunately, classic cars aren't practical to drive every day (reliably), or for long distances. I'd have one as a second car, though! :)
Marco.
Lol... So, safe to say you're not a 'petrolhead', then? ;)
Marco.
Nor are you, Mr "oil burner" :lol:
Yerse, I'm an 'dieselhead', or an 'oil monkey' :D
Makes sense actually, as when I had motorbikes I always preferred 2-strokes!
Marco.
Probably not as 'classic' as Joe had in mind, but I'd love one of these:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/rYhsuz.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnrYhsuzj)
BMW E30 M3 - wanktastically gorgeous!! :eek: :wow:
Marco.
Yuk! Dont like that...mind you ive never been a beemer lover. Tbh most old cars look very dated now and when you see something that still looks good then great car it is...the yanks ha e more old motors that still look good to me. Give me an old Merc any day.
Audio Al
12-05-2016, 08:55
Surely it needs matt finish wheels as well?
Looks like a half arsed job to me.
I have met Marco and can say he in not half arsed he's defiantly a full one :lol:;)
Yuk! Dont like that...mind you ive never been a beemer lover. Tbh most old cars look very dated now and when you see something that still looks good then great car it is...the yanks ha e more old motors that still look good to me. Give me an old Merc any day.
I think I can count the Yank cars I would like to own on one hand.
Sure, some look great, but they are just not suited to the roads over here.
I have met Marco and can say he in not half arsed he's defiantly a full one :lol:;)
Yesh, and pert, too! :D
Marco.
Yuk! Dont like that...mind you ive never been a beemer lover. Tbh most old cars look very dated now and when you see something that still looks good then great car it is...the yanks ha e more old motors that still look good to me. Give me an old Merc any day.
Fairy muff... I just think that was a classic shape of Beemer. Collectors appear to agree, as indeed the prices show! :eek:
Marco.
I think I can count the Yank cars I would like to own on one hand.
Sure, some look great, but they are just not suited to the roads over here.
Agree with that.. Cant handle our cambers for a start. Just looks have some style..not all though.
walpurgis
12-05-2016, 09:19
Makes sense actually, as when I had motorbikes I always preferred 2-strokes!
Marco.
I liked two strokes. Funny how the exhaust fumes you thought you were leaving behind tended to still reach you and when you got off the bike a healthy whiff of two stroke pong came with you.
Fairy muff... I just think that was a classic shape of Beemer. Collectors appear to agree, as indeed the prices show! :eek:
Marco.
Aye they do hold price well. Good buys that way. I just think its dated and remi!ds me of the yuppy years i guess...it may look better in black or red. My neighbour down street had a red un and it looked quite good.
I liked two strokes. Funny how the exhaust fumes you thought you were leaving behind tended to still reach you and when you got off the bike a healthy whiff of two stroke pong came with you.
Yes and you seemed to continue to vibrate for half an hr after you got off the damn thing too:eek:
My 2 were both 2 strokes
Aye they do hold price well. Good buys that way. I just think its dated and remi!ds me of the yuppy years i guess...it may look better in black or red.
Know what you mean by the yuppy years... And yes, black would defo be better. Like this one, which has been 'slammed', and looks as cool as fuck:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/921/NeislA.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/plNeislAj)
Unfortunately, only a front view, but you get the idea :)
One thing about these types of threads is that it sorts out the 'dullards' from the folks who like a bit of FUN in their lives!! ;)
Marco.
Much cooler that... I could drive that although i wiuld likely park it up and look at it
Ali Tait
12-05-2016, 09:29
Yep, original M3 is a great looking motor. Pretty rare now though.
Indeed, and you can pay £50-60k for a minty one! :eek:
Marco.
walpurgis
12-05-2016, 09:36
No need to say anything really!
http://i63.tinypic.com/302b37r.jpg
One thing about these types of threads is that it sorts out the 'dullards' from the folks who like a bit of FUN in their lives!! ;)
Marco.
Sorts out the men from the boys you mean ?
Firebottle
12-05-2016, 10:59
No, this is a proper Jag:
http://cdn.silodrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Jaguar-XK120-M-Roadster-1.jpg
With a proper price tag.
Lovely looking car though.
One thing about these types of threads is that it sorts out the 'dullards' from the folks who like a bit of FUN in their lives!! ;)
Marco.
Happy to be a dullard. It's the dour Scottish genes from my father, tempered slightly by the 'come day, go day' lackadaisical Irish genes from my maternal grandfather. So I'm a light-hearted dullard.
RobbieGong
12-05-2016, 11:31
Know what you mean by the yuppy years... And yes, black would defo be better. Like this one, which has been 'slammed', and looks as cool as fuck:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/921/NeislA.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/plNeislAj)
Unfortunately, only a front view, but you get the idea :)
One thing about these types of threads is that it sorts out the 'dullards' from the folks who like a bit of FUN in their lives!! ;)
Marco.
One word for that ride - TUFF !!!!!!! :thumbsup:
RobbieGong
12-05-2016, 12:09
Those Jags are characterful class !!
Merc looking good Marco, great when a man can indulge his passion, i aspire to that one so good on you bro :)
If funds permitted i'd nab a Golf R without hesitation.
any dark colour would do
sporty and stylishly understated
quick as feck
well loaded
not small not big - you get the jist - I'm a fan :)
http://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/6003/oettinger-vw-golf-r-pictures
http://cdn1.evo.co.uk/sites/evo/files/images/dir_1188/car_photo_594244.jpg
(If a kind administrator could get images up - thanks )
As nice as the M3 was/is I always preferred the more masculine looking Audi Quattro from the 1980s...shame I never bought one the prices are now spiralling out of control.
RobbieGong
12-05-2016, 14:36
As nice as the M3 was/is I always preferred the more masculine looking Audi Quattro from the 1980s...shame I never bought one the prices are now spiralling out of control.
Good point, the Quattro was awesome, same era (need a pic of a lovely one of those too :))
Hey guys, it's all about opinions! I love that Audi to bits, and largely because of the matt paint finish, which makes it look 'brutal'. I like to be different (and own things that are unique), and that paint finish makes the car unique in a way that no gloss painted car would be :)
Marco.
The 'matt' finish (actually it's semi-matt - it has a sheen to it) only looks good with grey colours. And indeed it does look very good, however you have to see it in daylight. Photos don't really capture how good it looks: mean, moody and understated, quite the opposite of 'bling'. I like it.
PFFFT at that Beemer, much rather...
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii52/micared/IMG_0683_zpskkydjru6.jpg (http://s261.photobucket.com/user/micared/media/IMG_0683_zpskkydjru6.jpg.html)
Those Speedliness are quite possibly the most iconic wheel ever made!
Audio Al
12-05-2016, 15:24
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Eh? Are we supposed to keep helping Marco choose new wheels then? Hasn't he already got some?
Audio Al
12-05-2016, 15:42
Yes Marco is enjoying his new wheels and now the thread is Classic Cars :hmm:
Yup.. The wheels are a done thing Jon and Al.... Quite ok. Weve been discussing bmws
RobbieGong
12-05-2016, 16:14
Yes Marco is enjoying his new wheels and now the thread is Classic Cars :hmm:
:lol: nice car (and wheels), moves to other nice cars (and wheels), present and past, It's cool :)
Those Speedliness are quite possibly the most iconic wheel ever made!
More iconic than the minilite?
Hmm, minilites were the business in the day. I guess it depends on ones age and what was "in" at the time?
As paint jobs were mentioned and I agree matte does look superb on some cars, heres something a bit marmite (not paint though, my old track car)...
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii52/micared/picture_php_pictureid_16144_bd77e3d1a3cf03674aca4d f14d6a1b96afeeb4b1_zpscarigtbz.jpg (http://s261.photobucket.com/user/micared/media/picture_php_pictureid_16144_bd77e3d1a3cf03674aca4d f14d6a1b96afeeb4b1_zpscarigtbz.jpg.html)
Happy to be a dullard. It's the dour Scottish genes from my father, tempered slightly by the 'come day, go day' lackadaisical Irish genes from my maternal grandfather. So I'm a light-hearted dullard.
Trust me, Joe, when I made that remark I was NOT thinking of you ;)
Marco.
Virtual-Symmetry
12-05-2016, 17:01
38 pages about a set of wheels!:confused:
walpurgis
12-05-2016, 17:07
38 pages about a set of wheels!:confused:
At least it wasn't about cables :eek:!
Merc looking good Marco, great when a man can indulge his passion, i aspire to that one so good on you bro...
Cheers, matey. Indulging my passions (and facilitating/helping my wife enjoy hers) is my raison d'être. Life is for living and waking up with a smile on your face every day, not being a bitter, joyless old grump! :)
If funds permitted i'd nab a Golf R without hesitation.
any dark colour would do
sporty and stylishly understated
quick as feck
well loaded
not small not big - you get the jist - I'm a fan
Me too - I bloody LOVE that car! If I didn't need more space, it's one I'd defo consider :cool:
Marco.
Sorts out the men from the boys you mean ?
Well, you can take it how you like. In my view, you're a long time dead, so life's too short not to have some FUN! :exactly:
These days, stress is officially the biggest killer, so I eradicate it completely from my life, and instead have a ball :)
Do you make sure to have some FUN in your life?
Marco.
It reminds me of the following two sayings.
The older you get, the more expensive your toys become.
And
He who dies with the most toys wins.
Eh? Are we supposed to keep helping Marco choose new wheels then? Hasn't he already got some?
Not at all. The thread has served its purpose, so job done! It can now be about whatever you want, as long as the theme is cars (old or new) :cool:
Marco.
It reminds me of the following two sayings.
The older you get, the more expensive your toys become.
And
He who dies with the most toys wins.
Lol - I like that! I intend to die with no money left (you can't take it with you) and plenty of bloody good memories!! :trust: :thumbsup:
As the late John Martyn said: "I'm here for a good time, not a long time...".
Marco.
Eh? Are we supposed to keep helping Marco choose new wheels then? Hasn't he already got some?
Not at all. The thread has served its purpose, so job done! It can now be about whatever you want, as long as the theme is cars (old or new) :cool:
That was my thinking on this thread, that and the fact it's posted under abstract chat :D
Trust me, Joe, when I made that remark I was NOT thinking of you ;)
Marco.
S'OK, I didn't suppose you were. And I don't really think I'm a dullard - well, maybe sometimes.
Good point, the Quattro was awesome, same era (need a pic of a lovely one of those too :))
Probably not the best but hey it's still a looker.....
http://images.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file/fit/730x700/media/5650297/Audi%20quattro%2020V%20(3).jpg
Now, you see, this is where personal taste comes into it... I like that, but MUCH, MUCH prefer the black M3 I posted a pic of earlier :)
Marco.
I've got one of these in the garage awaiting some TLC, hope to get working on it soon.....
http://cartype.com/pics/8293/full/alfa-romeo_alfetta_gtv6_2-5i_b_80-82.jpg
Now, that's a different ball game. Sex on four wheels..... But then, it's an ALFA. Nothing more needs said! ;)
Marco.
RobbieGong
12-05-2016, 20:02
I've got one of these in the garage awaiting some TLC, hope to get working on it soon.....
http://cartype.com/pics/8293/full/alfa-romeo_alfetta_gtv6_2-5i_b_80-82.jpg
Oh yes, One of my faves the GTV when I was young, usually in red I remember all too well. good luck with your restoration. I trust you'll be taking pics of each stage and then letting us see the results here - please! ;)
walpurgis
12-05-2016, 21:01
Now, that's a different ball game. Sex on four wheels....
Marco.
Thought you were referring to the back of my old van for a moment! :)
RobbieGong
12-05-2016, 21:04
Thought you were referring to the back of my old van for a moment! :)
What !? you and Marco? :eek: leave it out man! :lol:
He wouldn't be up to it - he's still knackered from the rogering I gave him the other night in that van (dressed in my rubber shorts and policeman's helmet), eh dahling? :eyebrows:
Marco.
RobbieGong
12-05-2016, 21:21
He wouldn't be up to it - he's still knackered from the rogering I gave him the other night in that van (dressed in my rubber shorts and policeman's helmet), eh dahling? :eyebrows:
Marco.
:eek: :lol: :D
walpurgis
12-05-2016, 21:22
It's over Marco. I've been two timing with an inflatable doll and I think it's love! :eyebrows: :eek:
RobbieGong
12-05-2016, 21:25
It's over Marco. I've been two timing with an inflatable doll and I think it's love! :eyebrows: :eek:
:lolsign: I'm off to bed, got work in the morning and you two are killing me :)
16938
Oh dear - lookie what happened today!
Was driving over the Avonmouth bridge on the M5 and got a tyre warning - down to 25 psi. Then about 800 yards later 13 psi.
Filled it up with the supplied Copydex which failed to work after all sorts of attempts.
Never mind.
Nightmare, mate. Hope you managed to get home ok? :)
Marco.
Yeah. I have a black Mercedes E220 in the drive to tide me over til it gets fixed. The guy promised me an S Class and then delivers me an E class.
Oh well better than nowt and I did get a Merc ML350/Jag XJ last time the car was in for very minor damage.
Tis the Porsche Assist doing that for free and they'll pick my car up Monday, fix it and return it.
I waited about an hour on the M5 so not bad. Only happened about 10 miles from home. Only about 3K miles on the tyre too. Defo not the tyre's fault - just bad luck.
The white stuff really does look like Copydex and behaves like it too. No friggin' chance it'll work on anything but the tinniest and slowest of leaks.
So if you are stuck in the outback on a cold winter's night with no mobile YOU ARE TOTALLY SCREWED. Always bear that in mind.
walpurgis
14-05-2016, 21:23
My brother got stranded in France with a puncture on his new and 'spareless' Audi Q5. He also tried the 'goo' and pump repair to no avail. That rubbish may be OK for a small nail hole, but he had an inch long tear in a sidewall, so no hope! He got rid of the Audi as soon as he got back from holiday, purely because of that.
I've been told that some manufacturers are considering supplying a spare wheel again, as car purchases are being lost because of this.
I'd not buy a car unless it had at least had a 'space saver' wheel.
The manufacturer I work for is now supplying space saver spare wheels free (apart from the hybrids) due to complaints from customers who had to spend £100+ to spec them as a standard when ordering a new car :mental:
Those inflation kits are bloody useless unless you get the smallest of punctures, and even then most garages can't be arsed to clean the "goo" from the tyre and report you need a new one
To be fair to the hire car company and to cut a long story short the reason I have the E class is because I needed something quickly.
The realisation of how ineffective the tyre goo is is a bit concerning to say the least. Will do some research... we're not talking run flat here as per my last Merc.
walpurgis
14-05-2016, 22:00
Those inflation kits are bloody useless unless you get the smallest of punctures
But the compact pumps are actually quite good. I bought a new one to blow my tyres up. I threw the 'goo' that came with it in the bin.
My brother got stranded in France with a puncture on his new and 'spareless' Audi Q5. He also tried the 'goo' and pump repair to no avail. That rubbish may be OK for a small nail hole, but he had an inch long tear in a sidewall, so no hope! He got rid of the Audi as soon as he got back from holiday, purely because of that.
I've been told that some manufacturers are considering supplying a spare wheel again, as car purchases are being lost because of this.
I'd not buy a car unless it had at least had a 'space saver' wheel.
Indeed... All the Mercs I've had have come with space savers - it's one of the advantages of driving a car with a decent sized boot! :eyebrows: ;)
As for breaking down/getting a puncture abroad, I never travel abroad by car without taking out the appropriate '5-star cover' from the RAC, which covers for almost every eventuality, including towing your car (and you home)/and or providing a replacement car/putting you up in a hotel, or whatever is necessary in a given situation - and it only costs about £30 for every week you're there!
The peace of mind that provides is invaluable :)
Marco.
The inflation kits are there to placate buyers who don't realise they don't work.
Watching the Copydex spitting out of the wheel was somewhat amusing. Tried moving the puncture over the road surface and it would stay inflated. Hoped it would 'set' but thought 'who am I trying to kid'. Is supposed to work for holes up to 4mm. No way on this planet.
TBH I have only ever had one other puncture that being on the last SLK. But that was just a slow leak with an embedded piece of metal.
With regards to RAC or AA cover I save money by never buying it. Just call them and they'll come out. Sure it'll cost more on that one occasion but for years you don't generally need them.
Talking of space savers, here is Chris Harris driving a AMG C63 on four space savers - he says it is the best handling car he's ever driven!
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DHPh90yNX-mY&ved=0ahUKEwjg8-W1kNzMAhWCBsAKHaFiChEQtwIIGzAA&usg=AFQjCNH5jLUSsud7GRJnVZuPalf8lT-8HQ
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Interesting.
Left the car in the garage overnight, and now the glue has set, the wheel is fully inflated.
So, bear this in mind i.e. if you use the glue, make sure the puncture is at the bottom of the wheel where the glue will rest, and leave overnight before attempting to inflate LOL.
No confidence on how far this would travel before it blows. Not very far would be my guess. So - still useless really.
BTW the bonnet in the Boxster could surely take a space saver - it is actually quite a large space. In total the boot/bonnet add up to more than a lot of cars in terms of cubic capacity. Losing that bonnet space would be a bit much, though.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160515/327beede63060b96a7c791f916552ddb.jpg[emoji39]
walpurgis
15-05-2016, 14:29
There you go. Sorted! :lol:
(not sure what the odd looking pipes are though. Forward, high level air intakes to avoid sucking in kicked up dust? Looks like K&N filters on the front of them)
What size tyres did you fit on the Brabus Marco, and what make? Sorry did not want to scroll through whole post.:D
Lol - why, are you thinking of getting some, mate? :)
Marco.
P.S The wheels and tyres are on my avatar (19" Michelin Pilot Sport 4S) ;)
Looksee here: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?27775-Car-(or-bike)-Chat!&p=935955#post935955
I have bought myself a Golf MK7 GT 150 and need new tyres 255 / 45 17inch and wondered what you bought as I know you were looking for some new rubber to burn :eyebrows: As I know you are a man of discerning taste I thought I would check out your final selection as they maybe something I might look at.
Tyres are a whole universe in themselves when you consider handling wet and dry, noise, durability and comfort and it is usually difficult finding one that will meet all criteria at once!
I will look into that make and model of tyre as I am sure they have a size to fit my requirements.
What are your thoughts having had them for some mileage now?
Nice one on the Golf :)
As for what I think of the tyres, read on: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?27775-Car-(or-bike)-Chat!&p=934410#post934410
Definitely the BEST tyres I've ever fitted to the car - just awesome! :cool:
I'm sure there'll be ones available in your size, but be warned, they're not cheap!
Marco.
Nice one on the Golf :)
As for what I think of the tyres, read on: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?27775-Car-(or-bike)-Chat!&p=934410#post934410
Definitely the BEST tyres I've ever fitted to the car - just awesome! :cool:
I'm sure there'll be ones available in your size, but be warned, they're not cheap!
Marco.
Cheers Marco, Michelin are always expensive but last a long time in my experience. I think they will be around. £100 each for my size. You've got extra 2 inches on me.:) :cool:
Pigmy Pony
27-02-2018, 19:07
There's a man with a C63 AMG lives round the corner from me (love the sound of those things), and it has the lowest profile tyres imaginable.
This morning I got up to a lot of snow, and the Merc was parked outside my house, pointing downhill.
My point is you might want to wait for this spell of snow to pass before getting your new rubber. :)
There's a man with a C63 AMG lives round the corner from me (love the sound of those things), and it has the lowest profile tyres imaginable.
This morning I got up to a lot of snow, and the Merc was parked outside my house, pointing downhill.
My point is you might want to wait for this spell of snow to pass before getting your new rubber. :)
Might be better off buying some snow chains rather than new tyres!:)
Cheers Marco, Michelin are always expensive but last a long time in my experience. I think they will be around. £100 each for my size.
They could be rather more than that, Jim. Is 255 / 45 your front or rear tyre size, and is your car front or rear drive? :)
Ah - I've just remembered that the Pilot Sport 4S are only available in sizes over 19"... So scratch that, but you could go for something else from the Sports range.
Marco.
There's a man with a C63 AMG lives round the corner from me (love the sound of those things), and it has the lowest profile tyres imaginable.
This morning I got up to a lot of snow, and the Merc was parked outside my house, pointing downhill.
My point is you might want to wait for this spell of snow to pass before getting your new rubber. :)
Ha - yeah, powerful rear wheel-drive cars (with big fat tyres) are SHIT in the snow... I should know! :eek:
They're probably the same size of wheels and tyres that are on my car, so if they're 19" rims, like mine, they'll be 30 profile. If they're 20" rims, they could be 25 profile, but that would be quite unusual on a C63.
Marco.
They could be rather more than that, Jim. Is 255 / 45 your front or rear tyre size, and is your car front or rear drive? :)
Ah - I've just remembered that the Pilot Sport 4S are only available in sizes over 19"... So scratch that, but you could go for something else from the Sports range.
Marco.
I made a mistake they are 225 / 45 17 inch front and rear and your right they are not available in that size but checked and the lower spec Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 is £111 each from a garage near me.:) Front wheel drive.
I wouldn't go for Pilot Sport on anything but the halo models of each brand. It is total overkill. The Kumho KU39 are a very good tyre, recommended for a 400bhp RWD car so would be more than enough for a Golf or MB.
Just my tuppence.
It all depends on your driving style as well.
I run my 150BHP daily driver on Goodyear Efficient Grip tyres. They are enough for use on the roads.
For something like a 150BHP golf, I would probably look at Continental Premium Contact 5 tyres.
Of course, if you want something that can cope with all weathers, have a look at the Michelin Cross Climate +
I ran the Conti SportContact on my BMW 130i and thought highly of them. I used Kumho KU36 on my VX220 before that - they were cut like a semi slick and sticky.
Kumho make some decent tyres for most applications. As I said, KU39 are recommended for my Monaro so should suit most heavy RWD cars.
It all depends on your driving style as well.
I run my 150BHP daily driver on Goodyear Efficient Grip tyres. They are enough for use on the roads.
For something like a 150BHP golf, I would probably look at Continental Premium Contact 5 tyres.
Used these tyres on my old Golf and they were very good. Changed them for Falken which were quieter but not quite as good grip. The continentals were great but never lasted long?
Used these tyres on my old Golf and they were very good. Changed them for Falken which were quieter but not quite as good grip. The continentals were great but never lasted long?
That's the compromise; hard wearing or sticky. It's difficult to get the best of both worlds.
I wouldn't go for Pilot Sport on anything but the halo models of each brand. It is total overkill.
Interesting, such as? :)
The '4S' were certainly a significant upgrade from the previous P-Zeros (and also Asymmetric 2s) on my Brabus-modified/bespoke tuned Mercedes. The difference in grip (in all weathers) and reduction in road 'roar' was palpable!
Marco.
Such as 'M*', 'S*', AMG (proper AMG), something the tyres will actually have a chance of work against/with. I'm not sure what model of BRABUS you have but I think I would be happy with a lesser tyre on my car, especially seeing as I have no intention to track it or drive like a dick on the road.
I'm actually talking MPSS so may have misread which tyre we are discussing here.
Such as 'M*', 'S*', AMG (proper AMG), something the tyres will actually have a chance of work against/with. I'm not sure what model of BRABUS you have but I think I would be happy with a lesser tyre on my car, especially seeing as I have no intention to track it or drive like a dick on the road.
Lol, me neither. However, that doesn't negate the improved grip (particularly in the wet) and reduction in noise I've experienced since fitting the 4S. I haven't imagined it! ;)
The Merc in question is a 3.5 litre C350 diesel,, Brabus-modified and remapped to 310 bhp, but it's the significant amounts of torgue delivered, when you 'give it some' from a starting position (say racing someone at the lights, for a giggle) or when overtaking hard on straights, which before, in certain conditions, would cause wheel spin.
Since fitting the Pilot Sport 4S, there's NADA, no matter how 'silly' I behave, plus as I said, road 'roar', and subsequently cabin noise, has notably reduced.
So what's not to like? I'll certainly be sticking with them from now on :)
Marco.
Aah, I though it might have been a BRABUS C V8.
Niento... I like to be able to get more than 20 miles a gallon sometimes! ;)
Marco.
Used these tyres on my old Golf and they were very good. Changed them for Falken which were quieter but not quite as good grip. The continentals were great but never lasted long?
Any tyre offering good grip won't last long - unless you slow down through bends and roundabouts etc. ;)
It's worth checking the ADAC and Autobild tyre test results to see what works well.
Niento... I like to be able to get more than 20 miles a gallon sometimes! ;)
Marco.
You will with an oil burner.
Pigmy Pony
01-03-2018, 20:10
Pops Yoshimura once said, "Speed is just a question of money-how fast do you want to go?"
Petrol engined cars certainly can give you huge performance, if your bank balance can cope. But chipped large engine diesels do seem to give you the biggest bang for your bucks, especially in mid range power, which is where it matters anyway.
For real stupid-fast fun on a shoestring though, my 'Blade provides it in spades. Just a shame about getting wet in the rain :(
Remember though, that mid range grunt is a razor thin line in an incredibly narrow area of operation. Diesels have never appealed to me - even the big Audi diesels which seem to be at the top of that game.
Any tyre offering good grip won't last long - unless you slow down through bends and roundabouts etc. ;)
Well, I'll let you know how long these Michelin last! ;)
Marco.
I'm actually talking MPSS so may have misread which tyre we are discussing here.
Well, I'm discussing the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S :)
Marco.
Well, I'll let you know how long these Michelin last! ;)
Marco.
Nose heavy, I would imagine you wouldn't get more than 11k from those fronts......RWD doesn't make much difference because it's not the type of car you get the back end out on. Also and most importantly, MB dial in understeer into the front end setup (much the same as BMW) to allow the average man on the street to drive a RWD car without ending up a statistic. My 1 series was the same, it wore insides of the fronts until I fitted M3 lower arms and had an E92 M3 geo setup done. It handled so much better and more predictably. I'd recommend it on all these standard road cars.
Petrol engined cars certainly can give you huge performance, if your bank balance can cope. But chipped large engine diesels do seem to give you the biggest bang for your bucks, especially in mid range power, which is where it matters anyway.
Yup, its the 'torque effect', which I love though (that forcing you right back into your seat thing, under hard acceleration) - and it can be quite something on a powerful enough turbo diesel.
Petrol cars just don't do that to the same degree, unless the size of engine used in comparison is much bigger, although they do other things better. You pays your money and takes your choice. Nothing is perfect.
The specialist mechanic I use told me after he'd test drove my car (having just mapped it, deleted the DPF, and had the turbo fully reconditioned) that, torque wise, on rapid acceleration, it felt the same as a C63 AMG! :eek:
Marco.
Nose heavy, I would imagine you wouldn't get more than 11k from those fronts......RWD doesn't make much difference because it's not the type of car you get the back end out on. Also and most importantly, MB dial in understeer into the front end setup (much the same as BMW) to allow the average man on the street to drive a RWD car without ending up a statistic.
Lol - well, we'll see. I drive pretty sensibly most of the time, and keep the tyre pressures spot on, with the use of nitrogen. Plus, I'm also anal about tracking and wheel balancing/alignment, which are also all spot on. Therefore, nothing adverse will prematurely wear the tyres out, just simply normal use :)
My 1 series was the same, it wore insides of the fronts until I fitted M3 lower arms and had an E92 M3 geo setup done. It handled so much better and more predictably. I'd recommend it on all these standard road cars.
I should have mentioned that mine has lowered sports suspension. That's one of the 'Brabus bits'. Plus I've got Bilstein B4 shocks all-round. The car is really well-balanced and handles like a dream (really assured and grippy round corners), for the type of car it is, even at high speed.
Marco.
Yup, its the 'torque effect', which I love though (that forcing you right back into your seat thing, under hard acceleration) - and it can be quite something on a powerful enough turbo diesel.
Petrol cars just don't do that to the same degree, unless the size of engine used in comparison is much bigger, although they do other things better. You pays your money and takes your choice. Nothing is perfect.
Or the car in question isn't a real lardy ba$tard of a car and has a power to weight ratio to put most super cars to shame. :eyebrows:
https://youtu.be/8CRdQA7R9xs
Some pics of the Brabster (from earlier in the thread), in case you missed them:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/921/1dkChi.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/923/Eba4gd.jpg
Marco.
Or the car in question isn't a real lardy ba$tard of a car and has a power to weight ratio to put most super cars to shame. :eyebrows:
Hahaha - yerse, great fun, but where do you put the crates of wine? :D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
01-03-2018, 21:05
Is that one of those fancy plates that speed cameras can't read?
Yup, its the 'torque effect', which I love though (that forcing you right back into your seat thing, under hard acceleration) - and it can be quite something on a powerful enough turbo diesel.
Petrol cars just don't do that to the same degree, unless the size of engine used in comparison is much bigger, although they do other things better. You pays your money and takes your choice. Nothing is perfect.
The specialist mechanic I use told me after he'd test drove my car (having just mapped it, deleted the DPF, and had the turbo fully reconditioned) that, torque wise, on rapid acceleration, it felt the same as a C63 AMG! :eek:
Marco.
This just isn't true Marco, take as an example the Golf R (I could choose others like the A45 AMG or M140i). Two litre fizzers with the correct choice of turbo and some clever engineering will put you in the back seat. It's all about the turbo - having one just big enough for the job reduces lag and makes the car feel like a naturally aspirated car, all while showing diesels a clean pair of heels.
Even if we go baçk a generation and look at the Japanese rally replica saloons you'll see they didn't have to rely on displacement.
The 'shove into the seat' can be misleading too. An NA car, especially the proper Vee engines are so linear that it doesn't feel like you are motoring, while turbo diesels give the illusion of grunt and speed. Take the Alpina D3 for example, I found it to give a real feeling of speed and acceleration but in reality the performance was nothing to write home about.
Or the car in question isn't a real lardy ba$tard of a car and has a power to weight ratio to put most super cars to shame. :eyebrows:
https://youtu.be/8CRdQA7R9xs
Yep, they are the business.
This just isn't true Marco, take as an example the Golf R (I could choose others like the A45 AMG or M140i). Two litre fizzers with the correct choice of turbo and some clever engineering will put you in the back seat. It's all about the turbo - having one just big enough for the job reduces lag and makes the car feel like a naturally aspirated car, all while showing diesels a clean pair of heels.
Even if we go baçk a generation and look at the Japanese rally replica saloons you'll see they didn't have to rely on displacement.
The 'shove into the seat' can be misleading too. An NA car, especially the proper Vee engines are so linear that it doesn't feel like you are motoring, while turbo diesels give the illusion of grunt and speed. Take the Alpina D3 for example, I found it to give a real feeling of speed and acceleration but in reality the performance was nothing to write home about.
I'm simply relating the results of my experience to date, that's all, with the cars I've driven or been a passenger in. If or when I experience a petrol car that changes my mind, in that respect, I'll let you know! ;)
Marco.
You just haven't been in a half decent petrol car yet.
Yep, they are the business.
Indeed, no question, but completely impractical to use as a normal, every day road car.
The Brabster was bought primarily as a continental tourer (with decent fuel consumption, for keeping costs down), to take four people abroad *in comfort* (mainly to France, Italy and Germany), and still leave room for bringing back some wine and goodies!
Driving on the unrestricted speed sections of the Autobahn last year, at close on 150mph was a hoot!!:eyebrows:
Oh, and also for the car to be fun to drive, not just as a tourer, but especially around the quiet country lanes of North Wales - and it fulfils that brief very well :cool:
Marco.
Hahaha - yerse, great fun, but where do you put the crates of wine? :D
Marco.
In the "cave du vin". ;)
Living where I do, I don't need to do road trips to buy the stuff.
You just haven't been in a half decent petrol car yet.
No, I just think you're biased against diesels. You can tell by your (derogatory) reference to them as 'oil burners' ;)
Marco.
In the "cave du vin". ;)
Living where I do, I don't need to do road trips to buy the stuff.
Indeed, but I don't live where you do, hence why I drive what I've got :)
Marco.
No, I just think you're biased against diesels. You can tell by your (derogatory) reference to them as 'oil burners' ;)
Marco.
There is nothing derogatory about it. They burn oil; it's the science of a diesel engine. In my humble opinion, a diesel does not deliver the driving experience that a petrol car.
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree :)
My next car will most likely be a high-performance turbo diesel, simply because I want good fuel consumption as well as performance, and I love overall how they drive.
Marco.
P.S If you're telling me that your reference to 'oil burner' wasn't intended as derogatory (merely factual), then I accept that. However, IME that's often how folk refer to diesel cars, who don't like them.
You had better buy it quickly then, as most manufacturers will stop making them soon due to the tighter emissions controls.
I also assume your mechanic will be taking the Bra bus somewhere friendly for the MOT? ;)
P.S If you're telling me that your reference to 'oil burner' wasn't intended as derogatory (merely factual), then I accept that. However, IME that's what folk often refer to them as who dislike diesels.
I always thought it was a general term for them, like "dirty diesel".
I always thought it was a general term for them, like "dirty diesel".
Or smoker......the Mayor of London and numerous large councils despise them too.
You had better buy it quickly then, as most manufacturers will stop making them soon due to the tighter emissions controls.
I also assume your mechanic will be taking the Bra bus somewhere friendly for the MOT?
He operates an authorised MOT station, so does them himself. Plus, my car (being from 2008) was produced before DPFs became universal on diesel cars, so the fact that one has somehow 'miraculously disappeared' isn't an issue, as it might not have been there in the first place...;)
That job was done when the straight-through quad sports exhaust was fitted - and what a difference it made to performance (especially acceleration) removing such a large bottleneck...! Might get the EGR done next.
As for my next diesel car, it'll be second-hand, like this one was, so I'll have plenty of choice. Only fools with more money than sense buy brand new cars!
Marco.
walpurgis
01-03-2018, 21:46
Or smoker......the Mayor of London and numerous large councils despise them too.
Yes, but they are dedicated to bolstering their 'PC' image. Regardless of any truths.
Or smoker......the Mayor of London and numerous large councils despise them too.
So you admit then that you also despise them, hence your use of the word "too"? If not, who else are you referring to here who does?;)
Marco.
This year the MoT rules change and the DPF removal issue is going to be a real issue. I'd imagine a lot of people will be stung because it doesn't take much effort to determine whether a model ever had a DPF. The problem being that it is usually pretty obvious where a DPF has gone or been tampered with.
Driving a car myself that eco-campaigners want rid of, it is irresponsible diesel owners that will spell the end of cars like mine.
So you admit then that you also despise them, hence your use of the word "too"? If not, who else are you referring to here who does?;)
Marco.
Bad choice of words; the Mayor of London being the most public figure involved in anti pollution policy making AND other large councils, such as Oxford and Brighton.
Listen, I'm sure no-one is actually taking offence at any talk of dirty diesels, especially your car - because it's a car. Much the same as when I'm asked tongue in cheek if I own a Calibra; no-one has been hurt, and it's actually quite astute as my car and a Calibra could be confused.
This year the MoT rules change and the DPF removal issue is going to be a real issue.
No it won't, if you car is old enough not to have had one automatically fitted. You can't judge if something has been removed or not, if it didn't exist in the first place.
What would you class as "irresponsible diesel owners? Your true colours are now unfortunately beginning to show.
Marco.
Bad choice of words; the Mayor of London being the most public figure involved in anti pollution policy making AND other large councils, such as Oxford and Brighton.
Listen, I'm sure no-one is actually taking offence at any talk of dirty diesels, especially your car - because it's a car. Much the same as when I'm asked tongue in cheek if I own a Calibra; no-one has been hurt, and it's actually quite astute as my car and a Calibra could be confused.
Sure, but based on the previous "too" remark, and that of "irresponsible diesel owners", I think it's quite clear where you stand on the matter (anti-diesel). I'm not offended in the slightest, but I think you should start being more honest.
Marco.
No it won't, if you car is old enough not to have had one automatically fitted. You can't prove the removal of something that might not have existed in the first place.
What would you class as "irresponsible diesel owners? Your true colours are beginning to show now.
Marco.
Marco, you are looking for a fight where there isn't one to be had. Are you telling me that your model had DPFs fitted sporadically and no-one knows about which ones did? Someone has sold you a pup - no doubt the DPF removal technician.
I class anyone who removes their DPF as irresponsible because it directly impacts me - both in health terms but more importantly (to me) because the likelyhood is that a whole cross section of 'exotic car' owners may be bullied out of ownership by drastic policy. My disdain also extends to cars that remove cats in total - same reasons, although detecting their removal has always been obvious during the emissions test.
Sure, but based on the previous "too" remark, and that of "irresponsible diesel owners", I think it's quite clear where you stand on the matter. I'm not offended in the slightest, but I think you should start being more honest.
Marco.
Quite clear in your mind - using the word 'too' and 'irresponsible. That wouldn't hold up in court.
I think I'll take my leave of this chat; I can see where it is going.
Marco, you are looking for a fight where there isn't one to be had. Are you telling me that your model had DPFs fitted sporadically and no-one knows about which ones did? Someone has sold you a pup - no doubt the DPF removal technician.
Lol - I'm not looking for a fight. I'm simply responding to what you're typing! The fact that we don't agree isn't my fault:D
The technician in question is a personal friend of mine, an experienced professional, who amongst others does work for NASCAR, so I'm afraid there's no "pup". That's laughable, really. And yes, some 2008 diesel Mercs were fitted with DPFs and some weren't, so there is no definitive correct answer, in order to apply a rule to of 'must have a DPF'.
Besides, who's to say that the previous owner didn't remove it as part of the Brabus modifications [which, btw, were carried out before I bought the car]?;)
I class anyone who removes their DPF as irresponsible because it directly impacts me - both in health terms but more importantly (to me) because the likelyhood is that a whole cross section of 'exotic car' owners may be bullied out of ownership by drastic policy. My disdain also extends to cars that remove cats in total - same reasons, although detecting their removal has always been obvious during the emissions test.
That's fair enough, but do you hold the same disdain towards petrol car owners (or any car drivers for that matter) who take their cars onto the roads often in the most appalling condition, with them not having been properly serviced in years, driven with under-inflated tyres, and all sorts. How good is that for the environment??
At least I keep my car's engine (and every other aspect of it) in tip-top condition.
Also, everything is relative. I'm semi-retired, so 5 days a week my car can be sitting outside doing nothing. It does very little mileage, apart from when I take it abroad on holiday, so you have to factor that into the equation too, when comparing it with someone else (with a DPF fitted or otherwise to their diesel car), doing 30,000 miles a year, for example, as a sales rep.
Plus, in every other aspect of our lives, my wife and I are very environmentally friendly. We recycle LOADS and save energy whenever possible, so I'd be confident that, overall, our carbon footprint would be as respectable as anyone's :cool:
Marco.
Quite clear in your mind - using the word 'too' and 'irresponsible. That wouldn't hold up in court.
I think I'll take my leave of this chat; I can see where it is going.
Lol - it's going where you've decided to take it, My.
As I said, I'm simply responding to what you're typing, and some what you've written has been distinctly provocative, verging on passive/aggressive behaviour, or as if you've got a chip on your shoulder. It's also blatantly clear where your feelings lie, when it comes to diesel cars [you despise them], and you're just irked because I've called you out on it.
However, yes, we should simply agree to disagree and move on! :)
Marco.
Soz mate, no idea what that means :scratch:
Marco.
Sorry it was an old catchphrase of Norman Vaughn meaning thumbs up [emoji106]
Lol - before my time!
Marco.
Lol - before my time!
Marco.
No it isn't. He presented The Golden Shot after Bob Monkhouse. You must remember The Golden Shot? You're older than me, man.
Ah ok, it just sounded like it was before my time. Yes, I remember the Golden Shot (just), but only with Bob Monkhouse. I don't know Norman Vaughan, so have never heard that catchphrase :)
Marco.
He was pretty forgettable.
Lol - probably why I've forgotten him!
Quite simply, in those days, what I saw on TV, and therefore what I'll remember now, was simply what my mum (who was at home, whilst my dad was out working) would have been watching. Therefore, what wasn't on, I won't know about.
Marco.
He did the cadburys roses ads too. And Saturday night at London palladium etc. Quite well known
I'll Google his coupon, see if I recognise him. Never really liked Saturday Night at the London Palladium, so didn't watch it much. I'm not big on variety shows.
Marco.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/sEvxIa.jpg
Nope, soz, don't know him.
Marco.
walpurgis
02-03-2018, 00:15
He was extremely annoying. Well I thought so anyway! :)
Lol - he looks it! Quite smarmy... A face you'd want to slap.
Marco.
The women liked him. Not my cuppa either
Lol... My mum was into the boss guy in Crossroads! Mr Hunter, I think his name was. Also, the bloke in Hart to Hart, plus the dark-haired guy in Little House on the Prairie :eyebrows:
Remember all those programmes?
Marco.
Lot of dark hair there. Hart was Robert Wagner. Crossroads was Ronald Allen Not sure about little house. Might have been joe Cartwright of bonanza. Can't think of his name
Little House was Michael Brandon I think. Crap show, never watched it.
Landon Macca.
Ah yes that was the bloke. Used to be on of a Sunday afternoon. That was a real graveyard in the 1970's.
Ah yes that was the bloke. Used to be on of a Sunday afternoon. That was a real graveyard in the 1970's.
Highway to Heaven was another of his specials if I remember correctly. It was Farming News and Fishing with Ted Tuckerman in the SW.
Highway to Heaven was another of his specials if I remember correctly..
That was a crock too. I wonder if he was ever in anything good?
That was a crock too. I wonder if he was ever in anything good?
Having looked on IMDb, the answer is no. Bonanza?
Lot of dark hair there. Hart was Robert Wagner. Crossroads was Ronald Allen Not sure about little house. Might have been joe Cartwright of bonanza. Can't think of his name
Yeah, she liked dark-haired men, lol. Ronald Allen, yeah that was the bloke. It was Benny and Miss Diane I remember most, though! They were just some of the programmes that I remember being on regularly when I was a kid/teenager.
Marco.
Ah yes that was the bloke. Used to be on of a Sunday afternoon. That was a real graveyard in the 1970's.
Also during the week, in the late afternoon. I can remember it being on sometimes when coming home from school :)
I didn't mind it, actually. Some of the stories were quite good. It was a little bit like a mini-western adventure sometimes, always delivering a 'moral message' of some sort. The Waltons was a bit like that, too.
Marco.
walpurgis
02-03-2018, 09:30
I didn't mind it, actually. Some of the stories were quite good. It was a little bit like a mini-western adventure sometimes, always delivering a 'moral message' of some sort. The Waltons was a bit like that, too.
Marco.
The Americans seem keen on that sort of thing. Notice how all their black and white WW2 movies from the fifties end with a narrative speech about justification and heroism.
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