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Ali Tait
07-09-2015, 17:52
Check this out-
http://www.triodefestival.net/uploads/ngrey/Japan%20Team,%203%20systems.pdf
Amazing.
The link isn't working for me Ali.
walpurgis
07-09-2015, 18:42
Link OK here.
These guys don't mess about do they. Serious stuff.
Works for me.
Do these people have lives at all? The block-board platters look interesting though.
spendorman
07-09-2015, 18:54
Amazing, I thought that I was obsessed with loudspeakers.
Big pdf, may take a while to download
I bet worrying about woodworm keeps him awake at night.
Link OK here.
These guys don't mess about do they. Serious stuff.
Serious stuff, but also SERIOUSLY UGLY - especially the totally OTT use of wood!! :spew:
Might sound good, though :)
Marco.
Do these people have lives at all?
You mean that they might not have kids and/or an unrealistically demanding wife to support, and instead have the time and money with which to indulge their passions? ;)
Marco.
Ali Tait
07-09-2015, 20:32
The link isn't working for me Ali.
Got it working Barry?
Wakefield Turntables
07-09-2015, 20:45
Put in best Yorkshire bluntness, those systems look completely shit. Complete wood overkill :spew:
Stratmangler
07-09-2015, 22:49
Put in best Yorkshire bluntness, those systems look completely shit. Complete wood overkill :spew:
The gentlemen in question have chosen to pursue the path of the Single Ended Triode. So much so that they have had to step outside of the constraints of commercially available amplification and speakers.
You have to admire that.
Whilst I agree that the timbered look is a bit OTT, so is your reaction and comment. IIRC your Technics TT struggles to get up to speed at 45rpm - to you it's a compromise you're willing to live with, to me your TT is broken. Sorry for the Lancastrian bluntness :eyebrows:
Doesnt change the fact that it looks awful to most. I dont blame him though as he was obviously chasing a dream and as such anything goes if it works. I love wood but thats not pretty
Stratmangler
07-09-2015, 23:21
It looks like the ultimate manifestation of a man cave to me.
Flea powered SET amplifiers driving the most sensitive speakers known to mankind.
Aesthetically it isn't what floats my boat, but I have to admire the dedication to the cause :)
Yeah, you got to give him that. Wonder if he's heard of WAF? :D
Marco,
Got it working Barry?
Eventually! Not sure if I liked what I saw: what did those poor Garrard turntables do to deserve that?
At least Mr Kiyohara uses some Mark Levinson gear (ML are big in Japan, along with Tannoy, Quad, SME and of course Garrard), and has the decency to leave his Thorens TD124/II unmolested. Think I prefer his house and garden.
As to Mr Moriyama's creation - well all I can say is: "beauty lies in the eye of the beholder". To me they looked rather vulgar in a lavatorial sense.
Bet it all sounds very "impressive".
Wakefield Turntables
08-09-2015, 09:06
your Technics TT struggles to get up to speed at 45rpm - to you it's a compromise you're willing to live with, to me your TT is broken. :eyebrows:
Really! That's quite an impressive statement from someone ive never met before. :rolleyes:
Ok, guys, that's enough! Any further remarks of that nature by either of you will be removed. Ta!
Marco.
adam_ecofansound
11-09-2015, 19:52
hi all,
well impressed by how far you can go
if means and motivation are in order...
would love to hear mr moriyama's
system - or have mr kiyohara spin
some discs on his twin garrards,
round of applause,
adam
The Black Adder
11-09-2015, 20:04
It is rather OTT IMO... But I bet each system has a unique sound. Most probably tuned for certain tastes in music too.
As for the looks... Eeew! - But interesting all the same.
The 301's look interesting with those super platters, wonder what those would do to the presentation?
adam_ecofansound
11-09-2015, 21:56
hi all,
waaaay over the top - such a contrast with
the low key system owners - half surprised
the tt plinths aren't 1 ton tree stumps...
surprised jean hiraga still in action,
cheers,
a
IslandPink
30-10-2015, 19:36
What strikes me looking through that again, is that the Japanese are obsessed about wood ( and the sound of the various types ) but put very little ( or no ) effort into time-alignment . Most of those horn/cone combos are nowhere near aligned physically. Most odd. I've seen it before on other shots of some mad Goto-based horn systems in Japan .
Nice to see a Nottingham Hyperspace in there ( or did I see it in the full thread elsewhere ? ) - but unfortunately only the normal motor. If only they new that a rim-drive motor turns the Hyperspace into a Garrard-beater....
About Hiraga, he's still writing for a brand new french zine called VU Meter :lol:
http://vumetre.com/
What strikes me looking through that again, is that the Japanese are obsessed about wood ( and the sound of the various types ) but put very little ( or no ) effort into time-alignment . Most of those horn/cone combos are nowhere near aligned physically. Most odd. I've seen it before on other shots of some mad Goto-based horn systems in Japan .
Nice to see a Nottingham Hyperspace in there ( or did I see it in the full thread elsewhere ? ) - but unfortunately only the normal motor. If only they new that a rim-drive motor turns the Hyperspace into a Garrard-beater....
With so many amps everywhere on that thing, I assume they're using some sort of active crossover to handle time alignment.
4212A is pretty rare and that guy seems to have quite a few.
Having heard WE 16A I have an idea what one of those systems may sound like. Outside the bounds of normality, in other words almost off the scale good with the right material.
What strikes me looking through that again, is that the Japanese are obsessed about wood ( and the sound of the various types ) but put very little ( or no ) effort into time-alignment . Most of those horn/cone combos are nowhere near aligned physically. Most odd. I've seen it before on other shots of some mad Goto-based horn systems in Japan .
Nice to see a Nottingham Hyperspace in there ( or did I see it in the full thread elsewhere ? ) - but unfortunately only the normal motor. If only they new that a rim-drive motor turns the Hyperspace into a Garrard-beater....
Japanese music culture is very much different to ours and timing is different. Same with natural products like wood they believe in natures music and substance s
IslandPink
31-10-2015, 22:47
Yes but they're still trying to reproduce the whole experience of the music , disjointed timing/tone is not going to help. I agree the Japanese audio enthusaists are a law unto themselves though.
They may be using DSP , but I suspect with all the other top-notch stuff in the (analogue) chain I'd vote for 'not' in this case. It will sort the problem out on-axis, but not completely.
16A's I would love to hear. I know a guy in Luton who is just about to take delivery of a replica pair . Very keen to hear how that goes.
4212's , I have had the privelige of hearing three different pairs one afternoon at a friend's house in Scarborough about 10 years ago, in a very good system . They are truly superb, somewhere between a good 2A3 and a copper GM70 in style. Seeing that boxful in the link made me smile. The STC ones were the best - anyone who owns those and knows what to do with them is very lucky.
If Pete can get it sounding like the Silbatone/GIP fettled original... be well worth a trip to Scalford for anyone interested.
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