G-Ohm circuit diagrams.

[Syncopator]

I used to have the diagrams for it, but I can no longer find that of the pre-amplifier.

I have a skeleton one which I drew out when I added a c.d. input to it, but I would like, if possible, a scan of Myst's original.

Not urgent though. I can open it up and trace it out again if necessary.

If no one has it, I wonder if my redrawn skeleton would be of interest to you in the meantime?

What I do still have is Myst's original TMA3 version of the power amplifier circuit, modified by Michael Maloney's hand to show the differences between it and the G-Ohm versions. There are only a few minor ones.

I can draw that too if it's of interest to anyone.

After I had added the c.d. switch and input socket, I happened to mention it to Michael on the 'phone. He was surprised that I was able to find space for it on the rear. I can take a photograph of the switch and the rear panel, too, if anyone wants them.

[Firebottle]

I'd like to see the power amp circuit David :thumbsup:

Annoying when you know you have a circuit somewhere and can't find it :doh:

[Desmo]

Hi David,

I too would really appreciate copies of ANY circuit diagrams for the G-Ohm. I have recently acquired two partial sets, and now have enough units to make up one full set, but nearly all the units have been modified in some way over the years by previous owners, and it would be good to know exactly what should be in each of the boxes - including the PSU. Also info on the dip switches in the pre amp would be very helpful.

I'd also like to see details of your modifications to the pre.

thanks and welcome to AoS,

Graeme

[Yomanze]

Here's what the G-Ohm is based on, but probably not too helpful in this instance: http://www.angelfire.com/sd/paulkemble/sound7g.html

[Beobloke]

Might be worth an email to Myst, who are still going as Mystworld, with Michael Maloney and Mary Guillaume still at the helm by the looks of it. They may possibly still have an old filing cabinet out the back with all sorts of useful information contained therein!

http://mystworld.com/

[Arkless Electronics]

As Yomanze said it's just an implementation of the ubiquitous Hitachi mosfet amp circuit. As used by Perreaux, Inca Tech, Musical Fidelity, Maplin and Trace Elliot amongst many many others..... There may well be a few detail changes of course.

[Syncopator]

I'd like to see the power amp circuit David


Hi David,
I too would really appreciate copies of ANY circuit diagrams for the G-Ohm.
I'd also like to see details of your modifications to the pre. Graeme

Here's the diagram of the power amplifier. It was obviously from the TMA3 booklet, but modified by Mike before he sent it to me.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/syncopator/g-ohm%20power%20amplifier%20original%20scan_zps0n4yr mld.jpg~original

My re-drawn one is a bit clearer.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/syncopator/corrected%20power%20amp_zpsdwtqfhzy.gif~original

This is the sketch I made while adding the c.d. switch and input socket.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/syncopator/pre-amp%20scan_zpsva60y5ei.jpg~original

And re-drawn.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/syncopator/G-Ohm%20pre-amp_zpsuswqf5ut.gif~original

The new switch.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/syncopator/Dsc_0017_zpstne4lp20.jpg~original

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/syncopator/Dsc_0016_zpslf3vetz8.jpg~original

The additional input socket.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/syncopator/DSC_0009_zpssbxewnjh.jpg~original

And the switch again.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/syncopator/cropped2_zpsq3i6ute9.jpg~original

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/syncopator/cropped1_zps9ioncltj.jpg~original


I think I will call them and ask what paperwork they can still supply.

[Firebottle]

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/syncopator/G-Ohm%20power%20amplifier_zpsmb7q2qqd.gif~original


You have shown the 12K resistor and the 1K resistor as pots with their wipers wrongly connected.
The arrows in the first sketch don't refer to the pots, they just connect together from the output to the 30K feedback resistor.
The 12K is just a fixed resistor and the 1K a variable resistor between FET gate resistors.

:)

[Syncopator]

Thank you for pointing that out Firebottle.

What a stupid mistake. After lifetime in electronics too. Rather embarrassing actually. I will correct it a little later today - when I've properly woken up.

Addendum: There, done. I'm still engaged in a bout of self recrimination. My mind was in neutral. Just gawping at the graphics and not reading the circuit.

It serves the purpose, though, of reminding me of my 'phone conversation with Michael. Asked what value of idle current he set for the output f.e.ts, he said it was done while reading the distortion, not a target current.

[Firebottle]

With the amp I serviced I originally set the full circuit current to 100mA per channel, so probably about 90mA through the FETs.
The heatsink became warm with no music throughput so I backed it off to circuit current of 75mA and left it at that. Could probably get away with a lot less.

:)

[Desmo]

Thank you for pointing that out Firebottle.

What a stupid mistake. After lifetime in electronics too. Rather embarrassing actually. I will correct it a little later today - when I've properly woken up.

Addendum: There, done. I'm still engaged in a bout of self recrimination. My mind was in neutral. Just gawping at the graphics and not reading the circuit.

It serves the purpose, though, of reminding me of my 'phone conversation with Michael. Asked what value of idle current he set for the output f.e.ts, he said it was done while reading the distortion, not a target current.

David,

Thanks very much for the drawings. I'm slightly surprised that you left the fuse in the drawing that you did for the Power amp, when Michael's drawing shows it is replaced with a relay - certainly my units have relays fitted. I also have a couple of doubts on the resistor values but I'll have to check my notes later.

P.S. I'm struggling to identify the zener diodes used in the PSU to control the voltage out to the pre-amp. On one of my units these are fitted to the back of the pre amp power output socket. On the other unit this whole part of the circuit is missing. Would you have any information on the zeners?

Many thanks,

Graeme

[Desmo]

With the amp I serviced I originally set the full circuit current to 100mA per channel, so probably about 90mA through the FETs.
The heatsink became warm with no music throughput so I backed it off to circuit current of 75mA and left it at that. Could probably get away with a lot less.

:)

Hi Alan, Can I ask at what points you checked the circuit current? I know how to do this job on Quads, and A&R A60's, but I've not done so on the Myst's.

Thanks,

Graeme

[Firebottle]

With the example that Jerry had the wiring need tidying up in the psu, so I just interrupted the feed to each channel and connected an ammeter.

That's why I'm referring to 'circuit current', that is including the protection relay current and the driver circuit. The values I quoted earlier where not the actual ones now I think about it, the protection relay takes about 40mA and I left the final overall setting at about 100mA, so about 50mA through the FETs.

:)

[Syncopator]

David,

Thanks very much for the drawings. I'm slightly surprised that you left the fuse in the drawing that you did for the Power amp, when Michael's drawing shows it is replaced with a relay - certainly my units have relays fitted. I also have a couple of doubts on the resistor values but I'll have to check my notes later.

P.S. I'm struggling to identify the zener diodes used in the PSU to control the voltage out to the pre-amp. On one of my units these are fitted to the back of the pre amp power output socket. On the other unit this whole part of the circuit is missing. Would you have any information on the zeners?

Many thanks,

Graeme

The drawing sent to me Michael was a copy from the TMA3 booklet - those are his corrections on the sheet. Can't comment about the resistor values other than to say that Michael, having modified some of the capacitor figures, would probably have done the former too. Since it is easy to do, I will replace the fuse in the diagram with a pair of relay contacts.
Next time I open the unit I will check.

I don't understand " ... fitted to the back of the pre amp power output socket. On the other unit this whole part of the circuit is missing." Will you elaborate.

Regarding the power supply, I don't remember what's in there. When I have the enthusiasm I'll take a look in there too.

Regards,

David

[zanash]

Just spotted this thread ...curcuit looks like adaption of the maplins mosfet module .......with newer components ? I made a number of the maplin modules and damn fine sounding they were too. They ran quite hot ...and need about twice the cooling/heat sink area than recomended in the instruction otherwise they had a habit of frying themselves .

[Syncopator]

Just spotted this thread ...curcuit looks like adaption of the maplins mosfet module .......

Good morning zanash, it's one of the many spin-offs from a Hitachi circuit, the details of which are in the link which was in post #4 (http://www.angelfire.com/sd/paulkemble/sound7g.html)

[Firebottle]

Hi Pete,

The Myst amplifiers came before the Maplin mosfet modules, all spin offs from the Hitachi circuit as David says.

The beauty of advancing mosFET technology is that with the same circuit but up to date FETs the waste heat dissipation is now a lot less :thumbsup:

[Syncopator]

I asked Myst if they still had the G-Ohm paperwork. Michael kindly replied, saying that the only thing he could find is the disc input circuit for the TMA3, which will be inserted below.

So .... I shall have to spend a bit of time inspecting the innards and wielding a pencil again.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/syncopator/TMA3%20disc%20input_zpsf36gqlpu.png~original

[Arkless Electronics]

For nearly all lateral mosfet amplifiers that are not class A 100mA is a universal "correct" quiescent current. It's not critical and it does result in rather more heat generation than the average bipolar transistor amp of the same rating.