Advice wanted

[Box13]

Or opinion, either will be seriously considered.
I would like to know what the membership think to these speakers and what they would bid (if anything).
As always information would be most gratefully received.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wharfedale-Glendale-XP2-Vintage-Teak-Main-Stereo-Speakers-PAIR-1970s-/111733305704?hash=item1a03d2f168

http://i.imgur.com/NHNiOwKl.jpg

[Marco]

If we offer an opinion, will it actually be considered or just (rather rudely) dismissed as usual?

Marco.

[struth]

Overpriced for condition

[BTH K10A]

They are probably better than the ones you already have even though I don't know what speakers you use :scratch:

Does the seller offer green shield stamps?

[Gordon Steadman]

Not a lot.

[Jimbo]

No opinion or advice possible. Never heard them. Sorry:)

[Audio Al]

About £500 if you are loaded ;)

[Zoidburg]

With all of the suggestions you received in your thread last week surely you could set your sights a bit higher?

So what is it that's drawn you to this particular pair of speakers?

[Box13]

I correlated all the advice last time and what it effectively did was eliminate most of my short list leaving just Kef and Monitor Audio.
When I saw these I thought that Wharfedale was a premium make that had not been ruled out.
With my front end and amplification I reason any speaker is going to sound pretty good, so why spend more?
After taking your advice on cable and speakers and being nothing but polite to everyone I thought I would consult you again.
They look to be in decent condition and maybe I would not be risking a lot.
I am currently using the borrowed Sony SS3's. Thank you gentlemen.

[Marco]

All it takes in that case, then, is for you to acknowledge the advice you've received from members, as some feel that you ask for advice/opinions, which is duly given, but then is seemingly ignored by you.

Please take that on board, and in future, acknowledge the advice or opinions you've been given, rather than taking it in and acting on it, but saying nothing, and that will make for a much better experience here for all concerned. Cheers! :)

Marco.

[Zoidburg]

It's 40 quid that could be put towards something better if you ask me.

[Gordon Steadman]

I correlated all the advice last time and what it effectively did was eliminate most of my short list leaving just Kef and Monitor Audio.
When I saw these I thought that Wharfedale was a premium make that had not been ruled out.
With my front end and amplification I reason any speaker is going to sound pretty good, so why spend more?
After taking your advice on cable and speakers and being nothing but polite to everyone I thought I would consult you again.
They look to be in decent condition and maybe I would not be risking a lot.
I am currently using the borrowed Sony SS3's. Thank you gentlemen.

Huh! I have some Sony 4" square boxes from an old AV system that you can have in that case. Why spend more? If you really do have a quality front end then crap speakers will just sound crap. The whole system needs to be of reasonably similar quality.

[rossman]

Box, as your system seems to have been hastily thrown together. My advice would be to buy some speakers of reasonable quality and live with the system for a while, say a couple of months at the very least. Then you should be able to decide what you do and don't like about your system rather than just asking for opinions based on a vague idea of what might sound good.

Personally I wouldn't touch XP series Wharfedales with a bargepole but I do like my modified early version of the Wharfedale Denton W20D. For a realatively cheap entry into the speaker world how about JPW Sonata or P1. Other speakers that I have enjoyed over the years which might be available at a reasonable price are Mission 76x series and the Richmond and Durham 900 speakers, both manufactured by Castle.

[hermit]

With my front end and amplification I reason any speaker is going to sound pretty good, so why spend more?

Your reasoning is deeply flawed in my opinion. Cheap budget speakers will not bring out the best from your amp and source. Decent speakers, well matched to your room and existing equipment, will enable you to bring out the full potential of your system. Why hobble a half decent system with rubbish speakers? You don't need to spend a fortune to get decent speakers and I've no doubt that you can do better than these Glendales without breaking the bank. Speakers are the key component to invest in imho given a half decent source and amplification.

[anthonyTD]

Unfortunetly Marco, i think many of us here by now have realised that he is not here to seek or take advice, but rather to take the piss, sorry, but i amongst others have been of this opinion from the start, i think its time we ended this nonsense now!
All it takes in that case, then, is for you to acknowledge the advice you've received from members, as some feel that you ask for advice/opinions, which is duly given, but then is seemingly ignored by you.

Please take that on board, and in future, acknowledge the advice or opinions you've been given, rather than taking it in and acting on it, but saying nothing, and that will make for a much better experience here for all concerned. Cheers! :)

Marco.

[shane]

With my front end and amplification I reason any speaker is going to sound pretty good, so why spend more?

Would I be right in thinking that you also have bald cross-plies on your Ferrari?

[Gordon Steadman]

With my front end and amplification I reason any speaker is going to sound pretty good, so why spend more?


Does Chris Frankland live in Peckleton?

[Virkon]

Unfortunetly Marco, i think many of us here by now have realised that he is not here to seek or take advice, but rather to take the piss, sorry, but i amongst others have been of this opinion from the start, i think its time we ended this nonsense now!

Looks like he/she and xquki have been shown the door elsewhere.

[Gordon Steadman]

Looks like he/she and xquki have been shown the door elsewhere.

Not sure. If we are talking TAS, 'deleted' means they/he have done it themselves/self. I stopped going there and my account says that as I deleted it myself. I think if he was pushed, it would say banned or suspended. Unless you know different of course:)

[technobear]

The cabinets are in poor shape. The grilles are a disgrace. The drivers look OK but these are quite old speakers now. The crossovers will likely benefit from some updating. Don't expect high end on a budget. These were a budget range from Wharfedale. They are not awful but you can do much better for not much more money. If you want a closed box with an 8 inch driver and decent tweeter, look out for a pair of Rogers LS4a. That was a £240 speaker (pair) at the end of the 80's and was highly regarded at the time. I have a pair and I still regard them highly. On ebay they will be anywhere from £60 to £120 depending on where they are, collection or delivery and how many are watching - all the usual ebay caveats in other words.

[AlanS]

I correlated all the advice last time and what it effectively did was eliminate most of my short list leaving just Kef and Monitor Audio.
When I saw these I thought that Wharfedale was a premium make that had not been ruled out.
With my front end and amplification I reason any speaker is going to sound pretty good, so why spend more?
After taking your advice on cable and speakers and being nothing but polite to everyone I thought I would consult you again.
They look to be in decent condition and maybe I would not be risking a lot.
I am currently using the borrowed Sony SS3's. Thank you gentlemen.


Good sound advice as usual chaps.
I think what I will do is approach a single manufacturer for all the drivers and crossover.
Then give the dimensions of the model to the cabinet maker.
This way all the pitfalls can be avoided whilst still giving me a unique pair of speakers when completed. From the TaS Box


I think he changed his mind

[rdpx]

You should definitely buy them. Max bid certainly no more than six thousand.

[Audio Advent]

Or opinion, either will be seriously considered.
I would like to know what the membership think to these speakers and what they would bid (if anything).
As always information would be most gratefully received.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wharfedale-Glendale-XP2-Vintage-Teak-Main-Stereo-Speakers-PAIR-1970s-/111733305704?hash=item1a03d2f168

http://i.imgur.com/NHNiOwKl.jpg

Serioulsy, just bite the bullet! Choose Walfdale Glendales, Choose Life.

There's no point endlessly asking advice - it's only £40 afterall and even if you end up thinking they don't sound great, you will have gained priceless experience of both a) assessing sound b) making a decision and going for it, living on the edge.

[Audio Advent]

One problem with democracy (the cons of democracy are not often considered such is our brainwashing) is that the differing opinions within a group can impede any progress whatsoever. Better to be a dictator in your own life.

It's better to make mistakes and learn from them than to have never made a mistake (or something similar).

[Ninanina]

Unfortunetly Marco, i think many of us here by now have realised that he is not here to seek or take advice, but rather to take the piss, sorry, but i amongst others have been of this opinion from the start, i think its time we ended this nonsense now!

I kind of agree.... :sofa:

[Ninanina]

If we offer an opinion, will it actually be considered or just (rather rudely) dismissed as usual?

Marco.

:exactly:

[Gordon Steadman]

I kind of agree.... :sofa:

Why the sofa? Honest opinions don't require apologies. If you look back, I haven't exactly been hiding behind the sofa about this. Nothing posted here has changed my opinion of this guy at all. It was obvious from the start.

[Virkon]

Serioulsy, just bite the bullet! Choose Walfdale Glendales, Choose Life.

There's no point endlessly asking advice - it's only £40 afterall and even if you end up thinking they don't sound great, you will have gained priceless experience of both a) assessing sound b) making a decision and going for it, living on the edge.

I offered this advice on a different thread he was endlessly asking for advice/opinions and he said I was reckless.

[awkwardbydesign]

I was told to ignore him when I expressed my suspicions. So I have. Why doesn't everyone else do the same?

[Joe]

One problem with democracy (the cons of democracy are not often considered such is our brainwashing) is that the differing opinions within a group can impede any progress whatsoever. Better to be a dictator in your own life.

It's better to make mistakes and learn from them than to have never made a mistake (or something similar).

This reminds me of a Peter Cook sketch:

Interviewer: 'And would you say you had learnt from your mistakes?'

Peter Cook (as Sir Arthur Streeb-Greebling) 'Oh, yes. I'm sure I could repeat each one of them perfectly'.

[Jimbo]

Hi seems to be finding it very difficult to put together a system. Racked with uncertainty and doubt over this piece of equipment or that.

But he does seem to have some skills in soldering and playing us all along?

[Gordon Steadman]

I was told to ignore him when I expressed my suspicions. So I have. Why doesn't everyone else do the same?

Whilst in theory, I agree. In practice it's more difficult as the quote system continually shoves the stuff in front of your eyes. Sure you could still ignore it but like any irritant, it just doesn't go away.

If I find someone irritating in a restaurant, I just leave as it's not worth the hassle and it spoils what would otherwise be a pleasant meal. Same applies.

[awkwardbydesign]

Whilst in theory, I agree. In practice it's more difficult as the quote system continually shoves the stuff in front of your eyes. Sure you could still ignore it but like any irritant, it just doesn't go away.

If I find someone irritating in a restaurant, I just leave as it's not worth the hassle and it spoils what would otherwise be a pleasant meal. Same applies.

I didn't mean the ignore button, just don't answer him. It is possible, you know.

[Gordon Steadman]

I didn't mean the ignore button, just don't answer him. It is possible, you know.

Of course. I don't answer him. But the noisy prat in the restaurant is still there isn't he:)

[zanash]

have any of you thought to read the ethos of art of sound ?........

I place them here to remind you,

....you'll also find that if your nice to people they tend to value your opinions and are sometimes nice back.

If you want to dis people why not go play on another well known forum


Quote....
I'll make mine short and sweet, the three categories of Ethos are as follows:


Arete; Virtuosity and goodness.

Eunoia; Goodwill to those you address.

Phronesis; Using wisdom and knowledge in a practical way.


I'll be using the above as guidelines for how I use this forum, I hope you'll agree.



Things we really like here:

Friendly people.

Differences of opinion discussed sensibly.

Pictures and lots of them!

Humorous banter.

Liberal use of the smilies. etc etc


Things we don't like here:

Defamatory comments about any manufacturers or dealers.

Defamatory comments about any other member of this forum or any other hi-fi forum.

'Willy waving' (i.e. boasting about one's system in a monetary value sense).

Swearing excessively. The occasional bit may slip thorough, but nobody wants to hear 'f this' and 'f that' all day long.

And no porn or links to porn please.

[Gordon Steadman]

have any of you thought to read the ethos of art of sound ?........

I place them here to remind you,

....you'll also find that if your nice to people they tend to value your opinions and are sometimes nice back.

If you want to dis people why not go play on another well known forum


Quote....
I'll make mine short and sweet, the three categories of Ethos are as follows:


Arete; Virtuosity and goodness.

Eunoia; Goodwill to those you address.

Phronesis; Using wisdom and knowledge in a practical way.


I'll be using the above as guidelines for how I use this forum, I hope you'll agree.



Things we really like here:

Friendly people.

Differences of opinion discussed sensibly.

Pictures and lots of them!

Humorous banter.

Liberal use of the smilies. etc etc


Things we don't like here:

Defamatory comments about any manufacturers or dealers.

Defamatory comments about any other member of this forum or any other hi-fi forum.

'Willy waving' (i.e. boasting about one's system in a monetary value sense).

Swearing excessively. The occasional bit may slip thorough, but nobody wants to hear 'f this' and 'f that' all day long.

And no porn or links to porn please.

Yes of course and 99.99% of the time that is how everyone behaves. However, when someone comes on here with the obvious intention of pissing about and abusing the good nature of most of us here then you are going to get a reaction.

When was the last time you saw anything like this?

[struth]

It has been dealt with

[Audio Advent]

Oh my god... things have just got real ! Grant! What the hell have you done!

When a Glaswegian says someone "has been dealt with".... I'm not getting involved.. I like my life, I like being free.

[PaulStewart]

I was told to ignore him when I expressed my suspicions. So I have. Why doesn't everyone else do the same?

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