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Clive
21-09-2009, 07:15
Now that my room is more presentable here is a pic of my listening room and list of kit currently in use:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/Room1.jpg

I'll get around to taking more detailed pics.....sometime!

- Garrard 301 on a twin-tier slate plinth (from a now defunct company...)
- Trans-Fi linear tracking airbearing arm (T3PRO)
- Cartridges London Jubilee / Kontrpunkt B / ZYX R100
- Phono stage: 83 / 83 with CCS on both valves powered by modified WAD PSU2
- S&B TX-103 step-up for the MCs
- Meridian 588 CDP & Foobar / ASIO4ALL USB into Beresford 7520 DAC
- S&B TX-102 TVC pre
- Burson Audio Buffer to feed the solidstate bass amps (impedance matching)
- XTZ Sub Amp 1 (2) bass amps with DSP
- Diyhifisupply LadyDay WE91 300B monoblocks, WE300Bs
- Bastanis Atlas Open Baffles with angled Gemini tweeters
- Bastanis Mandala Dipole bass
- Loricraft PR3 record cleaner

Spectral Morn
21-09-2009, 09:02
Wow Clive respect, what a nice set up and room.

Are those valve amps behind the speakers, are they sitting on subs ? Would that not create issues with vibration ? Just a thought/question. I would very much like to see more photos as this shot just frustrates a bit as to what else you have that can't be seen. Please post soon.

Regards D S D L

Clive
21-09-2009, 10:05
Wow Clive respect, what a nice set up and room.

Are those valve amps behind the speakers, are they sitting on subs ? Would that not create issues with vibration ? Just a thought/question. I would very much like to see more photos as this shot just frustrates a bit as to what else you have that can't be seen. Please post soon.

Regards D S D L
Your wish is my command!

The valve amps sit on top of the bass amps, the bass speakers are separate. Putting the valve amps in this position was actually a significant upgrade in sound quality that I wasn't expecting.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/0909210007.jpg


Here's one of the bass amps - this includes DSP which I set up using a calibrated mic and software for my laptop.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/0909210008.jpg


Phono stage:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/PhonoALsm.jpg


Phono stage power supply:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/PSUIIsm.jpg


Garrard 301 with Trans-Fi Terminator arm and London Jubilee

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/0909210010.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/0909210012.jpg


TVC pre installed inside an old WAD preamp chassis and Burson Buffer to drive the bass amps:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/0909210016.jpg


LadyDay WE91 300B:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/0909210036.jpg


Non-symmetrical W-frame dipole bass - 18 inch driver - the OSB cabs are a bit rough 'n ready but look ok in the flesh:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/Diploefront.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/Dipolerear.jpg


Swiveling tweeter experiment - works rather well

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/0909210017.jpg

Alexxus
21-09-2009, 10:41
Very impressive setup, looks like a lot of time and money went into it. Brilliant stuff, Clive :respect:

freefallrob
21-09-2009, 10:44
Impressive and interesting set up! Thanks for the pics. I like the subs, neat design.

Alex_UK
21-09-2009, 20:02
Wow - quite simply stunning - I think Neil has designs on your designs for the COMMAND BRIDGE OF THE DALEK BATTLE CRUISER NEW SKARO!

And nice to see one of my favourite ladies in the pictures of the turntable! Does the arm require much maintenance? Are the two black "cords" the interconnect?

Very impressive Clive!

aquapiranha
21-09-2009, 21:03
clive, that looks like a stuning set up! you have probably forgotten by now but I did ring you a good while ago to ask if it was possible to come over one day to have a listen. I still hope to if you are ok with the idea?

Oh, Sam Brown - Stop great stuff!

Steve

Clive
21-09-2009, 21:12
Thanks for all the comments everyone!

Steve - yes I do remember and I'm still fine with the idea.

Alex, yes interconnects. The arm is very low maintenance, it's just different different to use an setup. Actually setup is easier than a pivoted arm as each setting is done totally independently, ie you don't skew the cartridge when setting null points (not that null points exist for the cartridge).

I must give Sam a clean, I already had the CD, I bought Stop on 2nd hand vinyl on Saturday from Sifters in Burnage,

Spectral Morn
21-09-2009, 21:16
Wow - quite simply stunning - I think Neil has designs on your designs for the COMMAND BRIDGE OF THE DALEK BATTLE CRUISER NEW SKARO!

And nice to see one of my favourite ladies in the pictures of the turntable! Does the arm require much maintenance? Are the two black "cords" the interconnect?

Very impressive Clive!

What can I say. Thanks Clive for the extra photos WOW and DOUBLE WOW. I would love to hear what your set up and similar sound like, but alas not being on the main land makes that impossible at the minute.

Indeed Alex, I might just have to send the lads round to remove Clive's listening room and kit :lolsign: Listening to that system would help a fevered tentacled brow relax and allow the schemes of world and universal domination to come forth.


Regards D S D L

aquapiranha
21-09-2009, 21:21
Quick question (s) Clive... Are the two full rangers wired in parallel? and it appears you have two tweeters attached, or is one not in use?

Clive
21-09-2009, 21:28
Quick question (s) Clive... Are the two full rangers wired in parallel? and it appears you have two tweeters attached, or is one not in use?
The "widebands" (100Hz to 8kHz) are wired in series with padding/balancing resistors. The speakers are around a 14 ohm load.

There's only one tweeter per channel, I needed an extra horn to be able fit the swiveling experiment.

aquapiranha
21-09-2009, 21:33
Ah right thanks for that Clive, just curious.

Clive
22-09-2009, 07:00
My room isn't the best for bass room modes. Here's how how the room measures with no DSP on the bass:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/DF.jpg

The peaks and troughs caused a significant imbalance, some notes overblown, others totally missing.


Here's the console I use to set the DSP:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/DSPconsole.jpg


Here's the in-room measured result:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/DS.jpg

This fixes the room really rather well! Decay could be better still so there's more work to do.

DSJR
22-09-2009, 07:20
Makes yer sick don't it......... :)

I take it you have other rooms to "live" in????????

By the way, great looking system :gig:

Clive
22-09-2009, 08:19
Ha! Yes there are other rooms :) My listening room/study is in the cellar, we have 3 floors above the cellar - something that amuses me is that my teenage kids sometimes complain about the music and they're on the top floor!!! When this happens it's usually because of :cool:

John
22-09-2009, 11:15
Ha! Yes there are other rooms :) My listening room/study is in the cellar, we have 3 floors above the cellar - something that amuses me is that my teenage kids sometimes complain about the music and they're on the top floor!!! When this happens it's usually because of :cool:

:lol:

Clive
20-03-2010, 15:28
My Bastanis Atlas open baffle speakers have finally been re-housed in some better wood. This was a joint project with Vic of Trans-Fi fame, the wood was CNC cut then lacquered. I've christened them 88s, my son calls them 2 Fat Ladies after the bingo call. Actually I'd prefer slightly bigger hips but I'm straying from hi-fi....

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/1003200007.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/1003200010.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/1003200013.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/1003200015.jpg

Marco
20-03-2010, 15:43
Looking absolutely fantastic, Clive! :stalks: :eek:

How are you finding the sound now?

Ian and I must come round for another listen sometime :)

Marco.

Clive
20-03-2010, 16:25
Looking absolutely fantastic, Clive! :stalks: :eek:

How are you finding the sound now?

Ian and I must come round for another listen sometime :)

Marco.

Hi Marco,

The improved looks make the system sound much better...to be serious, pride in design and assembly is a factor. The sound is different from when you and Ian came round. Greater clarity overall and there is greatest improvement at both frequency extremes. The 301 was holding back the sound quite considerably, although it still sounds great. The Salvation deck is great and it's nearly ready for production. I have various prototype electronics hooked up to it, not just for speed control but bearing heating too. The bearing heater is probably something most people won't need, I have a room that gets very cold when the central heating is off, the cold winter we are emerging from caused me some fun.

The London Reference has improved things too!

When the deck is ready for production would be a good time for a visit. BTW, I have no commercial arrangement with Vic at Trans-Fi, I just enjoy giving feedback on the deck developments.

John
20-03-2010, 18:20
Really lovelly work I really like the design
Sometimes I think about doing my Duets in a similar style as looks so much better But not sure if it would work with the Duets
Yes that Salvation is pretty special
I have yet to hear what the London reference can do but Vic was raving about it last time we caught up

Ali Tait
20-03-2010, 18:42
They look the bee's bollocks Clive!

Clive
20-03-2010, 19:29
They look the bee's bollocks Clive!
Thanks, I can't begin to tell you how happy I am about how they've worked out!

Primalsea
20-03-2010, 19:31
Hi Clive, that all looks very nice indeed and the FR response with the DSP is not bad at all. I did notice that your room looks a little bare?

To help improve the room decay you could try the old bookshelf stuffed with books trick. This would have been anti WAF in my living room so I opted for a Yucca and a Howea in the corners behind the speaker.

Amazing how they help really.

YNWaN
20-03-2010, 19:38
I've visited Clive's a number of times - it's very pleasant :).

Speaker have come out well matey - do they sound any different?

Clive
20-03-2010, 19:56
Hi Clive, that all looks very nice indeed and the FR response with the DSP is not bad at all. I did notice that your room looks a little bare?

To help improve the room decay you could try the old bookshelf stuffed with books trick. This would have been anti WAF in my living room so I opted for a Yucca and a Howea in the corners behind the speaker.

Amazing how they help really.
I've tried adding absorbing materials but I prefer the live sound of the room, I think it's the OB reflections that give such a realistic experience, too much absorption make them sound like box speaker, which is ok, but not the point. :)

There is a big (8ft x 4ft) green baize covered notice board opposite the speakers, this seems to work well, not that the colour will make any difference. I've found that the area behind the speakers needs to be very live. Along one side of the room I have all my CDs and the records go half the length of the room. I feel I have the LEDE right, certainly it's critical to get right, the most important are with OBs being what's behind them and their distance from the rear wall.

Clive
20-03-2010, 19:58
I've visited Clive's a number of times - it's very pleasant :).

Speaker have come out well matey - do they sound any different?
Different to when you last heard them, the TT is the big difference,along with the cartridge. The whole set up is very well balanced now. At least in IMHO.

Clive
20-03-2010, 22:02
Here's a prototype Trans-Fi wand for anyone into these linear trackers, very impressive sound.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/1003200017.jpg?t=1269122494

John
21-03-2010, 00:25
What is it like compaired to the Terminator

Clive
21-03-2010, 09:23
What is it like compaired to the Terminator
Hi John, it's still a Terminator, it's just the wand is being developed. What changes is that there is greater clarity across all frequencies and it addition there is greater treble extension & air. This is at the top end of the treble, female vocals (sibilance) is not an issue, so upper mid/lower treble is the same level as before.

Clive
21-03-2010, 09:25
I've visited Clive's a number of times - it's very pleasant :).

Speaker have come out well matey - do they sound any different?
Ahh Mark, I've remember now. Last time you came round I had my new TT shelf, the sound was a bit too "pleasant". I soon fixed the shelf decoupling, the sound is very much more incisive now and dynamic (for an SE amp :)).

DSJR
21-03-2010, 11:14
I've tried adding absorbing materials but I prefer the live sound of the room, I think it's the OB reflections that give such a realistic experience, too much absorption make them sound like box speaker, which is ok, but not the point. :)

There is a big (8ft x 4ft) green baize covered notice board opposite the speakers, this seems to work well, not that the colour will make any difference. I've found that the area behind the speakers needs to be very live. Along one side of the room I have all my CDs and the records go half the length of the room. I feel I have the LEDE right, certainly it's critical to get right, the most important are with OBs being what's behind them and their distance from the rear wall.



If you gently tone down any reflections at all, do it at the listening position rather than the speaker end, unless the sound takes off there. This is more like sitting in an audience position at a venue and sounds more natural than damping out the speaker end of the room only.

The big dem room at KJ had the wall behind the speakers almost totally deadened and the only speakers which really benefitted from this are the ML Electrostatic hybrids, which sounded unusually good there. Everything else sounded a bit muted to me..

electric beach
15-09-2011, 11:06
+1! ;)

electric beach
15-09-2011, 11:35
Sorry - don't know where that thumbs down came from :lol:

I started to follow the advice about absorbion behind the speakers and also found it took the life out of the sound.

I prefer a live room, wooden floor with a rug and some treatment at first reflections and rear corners, though I have room openings at either side of both speakers.

I made open treatments either side of the listening position with a bale of insulation covered in black cotton fabric and set it behind a screen to give both camouflage and diffusion. Also made similar insulation pads behind the canvas pictures.

Can't believe how bad the leather settee is though - won't do that again.



http://theartofsound.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=99&pictureid=547

http://theartofsound.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=99&pictureid=548

nerohens
29-11-2011, 08:49
My Bastanis Atlas open baffle speakers have finally been re-housed in some better wood. This was a joint project with Vic of Trans-Fi fame, the wood was CNC cut then lacquered. I've christened them 88s, my son calls them 2 Fat Ladies after the bingo call. Actually I'd prefer slightly bigger hips but I'm straying from hi-fi....




Its truly amazing! Great work Clive! Keep up the good work. You can place some canvas pictures to improve the look of your room. Thanks for sharing with us.

Alex_UK
02-12-2011, 22:34
Hi Nero, you don't appear to have noticed the requirement to introduce yourself when you joined - you wouldn't just be here to sell canvas art, now would you? Chop chop on the intro, please, or else I'm afraid it will be chop chop! ;)

Marco
04-12-2011, 07:49
Canvas art links removed! ;)

Marco.

Macca
04-12-2011, 11:25
Canvas art links removed! ;)

Marco.

Damn! and I was just about to order some too...:doh:

Marco
05-12-2011, 17:29
Aye, sure, along with yer Swedish skud mags!


Sorry - don't know where that thumbs down came from :lol:


I changed it to a thumbs up, just for you! ;)

Marco.

Clive
05-12-2011, 18:20
If the pics had been nudes I might have been tempted to click on the links.....

pegleg4
13-12-2011, 11:40
Hi Clive
just looked at your system great! you have obviously put loads of time into obtaining a great sound. The reason for this contact is to ask your opinion of the Trans-Fi arm assy. I am considering ordering the T3 Pro which embodies all the latest mods. This is completely new territory for me although everything about it seems right , can you please give your opinions of its performance. Thanks
Regards
Pegleg4
John Lancaster

snapper
13-12-2011, 11:55
Hi John

Before you go any further, could you please pop into the Welcome area and introduce yourself to our community, as you were asked to do in the registration email you received - ta!

The Grand Wazoo
13-12-2011, 17:40
John would you please comply with the direction you received when you joined AoS to start a new thread in the Welcome section (http://theartofsound.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=15) in order to introduce yourself to the community? You could tell us a little about yourself, your system & your music - it really is the best way to be sure of warm welcome.
Thanks

EDIT: Oops! I missed David's post

Clive
22-12-2011, 12:19
I've recently installed a new version of my speakers. These come from Trans-Fi, they are are now hybrids (Bastanis / Trans-Fi). They have one Bastanis Chrystal 12 inch wideband and a Gemini tweeter per side. There are two 15 inch bass drivers per side too. All drivers are arranged as pure dipoles. They sound great, bass integration in particular is fabulous. There are currently only two sets of these speakers in existence, John has heard the other set, maybe he'll comment. What I can say is that these speakers are brilliant and I'm a very happy bunny! They look really great too, even my wife like how they look - believe me when I say that is a REAL compliment to Vic!

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/PC224630.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/PC224626.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/PC224627.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/PC224628.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/PC224629.jpg

John
22-12-2011, 12:36
The best sounding speakers I heard; the bass is stunning so much depth and everything intergrates well I think one of the bass drivers strength is it upper mid it now perfectly works with the Bastanis drivers. Before there was a hole that made rock sound like it was compressed it lacked a bit of energy now electric guitars just sound right. The Crystals are a bit more detailed than my Hawthornes and just work so well with the Neos a perfect match
What I love about the speakers is that it can nail you to the floor with the sound it produces without any hint of fatique
I just think the open back bass works so much better if you have the drivers than can handle it.
The speakers is fun but can seduce you at the same time Increadble value for money and as much I love the speakers I have this is a few steps in front of mine
I also think one Crystal (Bastanis) driver allows better balance than two I could not enjoy the sound with two the balance sounded to full on but with one driver the balance sounds spot on

keiths
22-12-2011, 13:35
Wow - they look fabulous Clive. :drool:

Clive
22-12-2011, 13:40
You nailed it John, an excellent description!

John
22-12-2011, 13:56
When I heard Vics speakers just using a £50 DAC I was stunned with the bass and soundstage when we used my DAC the sound opened up it had more space and detail. With the Salvation I did not want to leave I could of listened for hours and hours
I think the best way I can describe the speakers they take you as close as I heard to the actual event of the recording well at least how I imagine it to sound, just stunning makes you want to listen

Clive
26-12-2011, 18:12
I've had more time today to listen to the new version on my speakers. Yesterday (Christmas Day) the speakers worked hard all day so the new bass units are nicely exercised now; so much so I had to turn down the bass amps as driver efficiency had improved.

These speakers do rock with gusto and more intimate music with passion. They really can do it all. Even though I'm a die hard vinyl fan I have to say that redbook file audio (CD if you prefer) sounds very fine too. One area that's helped redbook file audio is the power of the mid/upper bass. These speakers make redbook sound more like a record deck. Some may feel that's a negative and other will not. :cool:

Everyone who's heard the speakers has been knocked out by their sound and looks.

John
26-12-2011, 18:25
I was speaking with Vic and was also saying how much he is enjoying listening to digital with these speakers and he is one of the most dedicated vinyl guys I know. They just seem to allow you to play music with all its passion and intimacy. I not heard a balance quite like it

Clive
26-12-2011, 18:42
Something that stands out over the previous version of my speakers is the really strong tune-playing in the mid to upper bass, along with the sheer power an extension of deep bass. This provides a very strong foundation for music. The mid and treble balance the bass very well, integration is so good too.

Mark Grant
27-12-2011, 09:53
Beautiful looking speakers.

Ali Tait
27-12-2011, 10:00
What speaker cable is that Clive?

Clive
27-12-2011, 10:30
Thanks Mark! They look great and rather better than the OB Jamo's IMO.

Ali, the cable you're probably asking about is a Bastanis cable, silver wire with foil. The other cable is Nordost Blue Heaven, which I had hanging around. I'm trying the Nordost using the logic that the reason I don't like it as a full range cable may work in it's favour on the bass (ie tight bass, but not enough of it - this I can tune with the amps).

Ali Tait
27-12-2011, 10:44
Sounds expensive!

Clive
27-12-2011, 11:51
Sounds expensive!
Yes, the cables are....

Fortunately the recent upgrade to the baffles and bass drivers was not expensive. Just as well as Christmas is an expensive time!

jandl100
28-12-2011, 08:17
Those speaker 'cabinets', well, OK, frames, are beautifully executed. Very nice indeed. :thumbsup:

A very fast and open sound, I'll bet - I'm sure I'd love it!

selfaddict
30-12-2011, 10:35
Hi Clive.

I have totally missed this thread :scratch:. But it was really interesting to read how your Bastanis OB speaker system has been evolving, truly enjoyed reading this through :).

My problem has been that more transparent rest of my system gets, less happy I have become with the sub 100Hz frequencies with my Bastanis Mandala Atlas set up. My plan was to try some tapped horns with the 15" sealed woofers I have now, but your set up has given me a another option :rolleyes:. I was really fascinated to read that you actually prefer the double 15" bass OB woofer set up to your old 18" dipole set up, really interesting.

Great pictures :clap:

John
30-12-2011, 12:51
Hi Juha
I heard these speakers in Vic set up and they are exactly the same design and they are stunning
They totally overcome the upper bass issues that were present before, also the open back design seems to help with room intergration issues as Clive pointed out a lot less need for bass treatment. They also go down quite low Clive might be able to measure how low.

selfaddict
30-12-2011, 13:49
The speakers do look stunning :drool:, thats for sure.

This could be the solution for my problems, full stop. I love what Vic and Clive have done with these speakers, it is really nice to see how these speakers have gradually evolved.


Hi Juha
I heard these speakers in Vic set up and they are exactly the same design and they are stunning
They totally overcome the upper bass issues that were present before, also the open back design seems to help with room intergration issues as Clive pointed out a lot less need for bass treatment. They also go down quite low Clive might be able to measure how low.

jostber
30-12-2011, 14:02
Great looking setup there. :) Just have bought and received some Open Baffle speakers myself, but are waiting for the speaker cables so I can not complete the setup yet. :doh: Will in a couple of days though.

falcoron
30-12-2011, 14:25
Clive these look superb mate, been on a quest to get open baffle right with little success i may add but it is addictive,

Does vic sell the parts for these as i would like to see what i could gather up over the next few months ( no budget for the fully made up speakers)
and i would rather have my own design for the baffles, although yours look superb. i see he is using selenium bass drivers opposed to the ones he has on ebay. What model are these 15" drivers?
Cheers
Ron

Clive
30-12-2011, 19:56
All I can say at the moment is that the speakers will likely cost around £2.7k, probably UK only due to shipping such large & heavy items. The is a smaller version with a single bass driver too.

falcoron
31-12-2011, 11:26
Thought as much with the price of crystal drivers and the gemini tweeters running over 2000 euros! the seleniums are no longer available from parts express ( read Vic's review of them on that site) so think these may well be a discontinued driver which is dissapointing :(

I take it there is no x-over only the bastanis cap at the tweeter.

Good luck with them Clive im jealous as hell LOL,
what do you think the bass is going down to?

Clive
16-01-2012, 12:19
I've finally reset the dsp on the new speakers. Using 6 samples per octave they measure pretty well (massive under-statement) and sound even better!!! The drivers are available, Vic has access to bass driver supplies even if Part Express don't.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/Neos.jpg

ps, yes the Bastanis tweeter just has a cap (1st order xover).

selfaddict
17-01-2012, 17:00
That is looking great Clive. Now you just need to add one pair of sub 30db tapped horns and you are in heaven :eyebrows:

I assume you use XTZ room analyzer, it is a great piece of kit. Did you do any room analyzer measurements on your old Bastanis Atlas, with four widebands in situ(with old widebands or with Crystals)? The reason why I am asking is that I am just curious to know how do your new speakers differ from the old 4 wideband ones in terms of XTZ measurement.

Juha


I've finally reset the dsp on the new speakers. Using 6 samples per octave they measure pretty well (massive under-statement) and sound even better!!! The drivers are available, Vic has access to bass driver supplies even if Part Express don't.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/Neos.jpg

ps, yes the Bastanis tweeter just has a cap (1st order xover).

Clive
13-07-2012, 13:22
I'm having a play with some 10W Class A power amps, a pair of these are sounding really rather good.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/cmeakins/ValvetinsideII003.jpg

http://www.valvet.de/bricks_E1gb.html

Listening to the Valvets....where they differ from T-amps in that they have more meat on the bone and greater image depth. T-amps seem to suffer a slight thinness which gives them a strong directness. The Valvets were totally fantastic on jazz last night. They seem good on rock too but I've yet to let them rip fully of rock.

DSJR
13-07-2012, 13:33
I was all but slaughtered when I dared to suggest the little T amps sounded thin toned, but with the soeakers I was using, and the music I was listening to, I just couldn't deal with it personally, needing a bit more flesh on the bones. Each to their own though :)


Clive, can you forgive me here, but when I looked at the cases and saw how little is inside them, I put them at £750 the pair absolute top whack or available in kit form for £100 each. Seeing that they're around double that or more and probably have to be imported too................. Such a shame that so called Top End audio carries a price tag way outside of the materials costs :(

aquapiranha
13-07-2012, 13:43
Those amps look interesting Clive do ups mind telling us how much they cost? Thanks. Steve

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

Clive
13-07-2012, 15:10
The amps I believe are 1,300 Euros so that's a whisker over £1,000. As they come from Germany this includes VAT.

Such a design indeed looks really simple but the devil will be in the details, getting the right mix of components will have taken a lot of development. Anyone can build something similar, say like a Hiraga circuit but it won't sound good until the parts have been optimised.

They are not available as kits. When pricing the parts we need to bear in mind the 2 MCaps alone cost 40 quid, the parts are of good quality and the amps are hand made in Germany. I feel the price is fair. Also in terms of sound quality my initial feelings are they are the DBs!

DSJR
13-07-2012, 17:48
No probs and thanks for clearing that up :respect:

aquapiranha
13-07-2012, 18:27
Thanks for that Clive.