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when playing the dar!ed thing just stopped playing. i rebooted and looked on screen and an error near end of startup says fail..startpar returned failure... not happeded b4. seems us....do i need a ne volumio image or is this a hardware problem??
hoping one of the pi geniuses know this:)
Could be a corrupt sd card, would do no harm to try a fresh image. Are the led's on the Pi and DAC lit?
when playing the dar!ed thing just stopped playing. i rebooted ....
Did you reboot for the menu or switch it off?
Had problems a few times with it stopping and a Menu reboot didn't help - just a real switch off and leave it for a minute or two before back on ... otherwise, yep - a fresh card should sort it (I hope so :)
not sure where the lights are as its in a box. i put a fresh image in but it comes up with same failure. the pi seems to be wirking as im getting control from pad and sound from tv but not out of dac. take it the dac is gone?
Not sounding good, might pay to take the lid off the case and check dac is firmly connected and if the green led is lit.
Not sounding good, might pay to take the lid off the case and check dac is firmly connected and if the green led is lit.
Yes Barry, I will have a look tomorrow but looks like dac is at fault. bugger. funny but 2 or 3 times now recently the sound has gone of for a second or 3, then come back. this time it went off and didnt come back. if I had tried the telly first Id have saved myself some time. nexy question is the iq dac the best one to replace it with or are their better lug n play versions that dont need a degree in linux:eyebrows:
Rothchild
24-07-2015, 19:15
Have you updated your system (using raspi-update or sommit)?
I think the i2s drivers used by the various pi boards are not included in the mainline linux kernel, so if you update from a source that's not part of what you're distribution (by volumio, moode or whatever) uses then the dac drivers won't work (as they're compiled against a specific kernel).
It would be great to see them rolled in to the mainline so that any raspberian distro supports them out of the box but that's the next step I guess.
No I did nowt. Was listening happily when sound just went. Tried reboot etc no joy.
I had another copy of volumio made in caee so tried it.. same. Ssme failure too but the thing did set up and when I tried a songvdound came from tv. Nothing out of dac. Will open tomorrow and check lights plugs etc. If buying a new dac is samevone best or are they others better. Was looking at a 196 24 for 21 quid
brian2957
24-07-2015, 20:15
That's a shame Grant , it was sounding very good today too :rolleyes:
That's a shame Grant , it was sounding very good today too :rolleyes:
Always the way mate. :doh: ah well I will just fall back to cd's; no probs, and the dacs, if thats the problem are not silly money fortunately
brian2957
24-07-2015, 21:20
Hope you get it fixed soon mate.:)
Grant, I take it this was the same one you got from me.
You want me to take it up with IQ for you?
PM me mate.
Grant, I take it this was the same one you got from me.
You want me to take it up with IQ for you?
PM me mate.
i will investigate it tomorrow if I get a chance and see if its goosed or if its a bad connection Rich. Cheers, I will let you know mate.
opened tge case red light. on dac on all time withva green one that flashes duringcset up a lot. then just the occasional flash. sound still comessfrom tv suggesting rpi is working.. same fail on screen and no sound from iq dac. assume thats it buggered
opened tge case red light. on dac on all time withva green one that flashes duringcset up a lot. then just the occasional flash. sound still comessfrom tv suggesting rpi is working.. same fail on screen and no sound from iq dac. assume thats it buggered
Gordon at IQ is a member here isn't here.
Why not drop him a line Grant explaining the situation cc me in plz.
I can produce the original proof of sale info and verify if necessary.
I don't know about the transferablity of any warranty but as a trade member here in sure he'd want to know of any reliability issues and do the right thing.
Gordon at IQ is a member here isn't here.
Why not drop him a line Grant explaining the situation cc me in plz.
I can produce the original proof of sale info and verify if necessary.
I don't know about the transferablity of any warranty but as a trade member here in sure he'd want to know of any reliability issues and do the right thing.
good point.forgot about him...not sure what his full handle is and dont think he checks in much but will find out and give him a pm.
good point.forgot about him...not sure what his full handle is and dont think he checks in much but will find out and give him a pm.
Keep me posted.
have sent a message to gordon...whether he picks it who nose.lol
anyone on dac replacements...is the iq dac the best one? or are there compatible newer improved ones
I like the look of the Audiophonics dac.
I like the look of the Audiophonics dac.
is that the sabre one? and is it plug n play? and where do you buy these things anyways? lol
is that the sabre one? and is it plug n play? and where do you buy these things anyways? lol
Yes, it plugs in just like the iq dac, it appears to have fixed volume and no mucking around with alas mixer. There is a a couple of links for it in it's thread in digital expressions.
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?39055-New-DAC-board-for-my-Pi-Audiophonics-I-Sabre-DAC-ES9023
cheers barry..ive ordered one.....we i think i have...paid paypal 64 euros ...its a french site i think
tnt delivery apparently
Nice one Grant, will be interesting to hear what you think of it.
hi agin.. fitted new dac but same problem..! sound only from hdmi through tv..nothing from the dac. same fail point on set up. I give up!
error is ... fail..startpar returned failure
just a thought but do you have a USB DAC you could try with the barebones Pi (i.e. with the new DAC disconnected) ?
At least then you'd know if the problem was just with the Pi 12s output - a new Pi is a damn sight cheaper than binning both DACs ;)
well the sound comes out of the pi from the hdmi section into tv. not tried a opi but im presuming itcwould work as well as both are digital. as the new dac is dead like the old iq dac i am presuming they are both ok...unlikely to get 2 different dacs with the same problem. that leaves whatever interfaces the data from pi to dac or software. havevtried 2 different sd cards with volumio and both are same. even tried different leads and into a known good input on the pre.
kinda stumped Mike.
The Black Adder
31-07-2015, 13:38
Kind of points to the RPi board, Grant.
I've looked up the error you are getting but I must say I'm stumped just as everyone else is to be honest. I can't find an answer, that is something for you to try but will keep looking.
Kind of points to the RPi board, Grant.
I've looked up the error you are getting but I must say I'm stumped just as everyone else is to be honest. I can't find an answer, that is something for you to try but will keep looking.
lookingvthat way josie. whats the latest pi anyways....the rpi2 plus?
found a rpi 2b+. seems to be the latest .quad core. might give that a go.
brian2957
31-07-2015, 16:29
Got a link Grant ?
Got a link Grant ?
here you go mate
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00T2U7R7I?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
brian2957
31-07-2015, 17:01
Ta mate .
The Black Adder
31-07-2015, 17:10
Yup, get the Pi2, Grant :)
Rothchild
31-07-2015, 17:13
Sorry if it's elsewhere in the thread but I don't think you've posted the whole error message, startpar is 'start parallel services' but you haven't told us which service is failing, what does it say after 'failure:' in the error message (I'm not sure that this isn't a bum steer anyway)
can you log in and do: cat /boot/config.txt and post the results back for us?
It should have a line in it that reads: dtoverlay=hifiberry-dac
edit: might also be worth checking out: uname -a
so we can see what kernel you're running
Sorry if it's elsewhere in the thread but I don't think you've posted the whole error message, startpar is 'start parallel services' but you haven't told us which service is failing, what does it say after 'failure:' in the error message (I'm not sure that this isn't a bum steer anyway)
can you log in and do: cat /boot/config.txt and post the results back for us?
It should have a line in it that reads: dtoverlay=hifiberry-dac
edit: might also be worth checking out: uname -a
so we can see what kernel you're running
I cant now as its in shed. my linux is zero but it didnt say much more.. it was very near the end of the set up.. of what Ive read people say it is not a problem and should still work but mine doesnt.
not sure what a cat /boot/config.txt is tbh lol. It wasnt coming up to my knowledge before it packed it any time I saw it setting up so dunno. The new one should be here tomorrow(or so they say and will check if it comes up again. trouble is it is on my tv not a pc so cant copy / paste it.
Yup, get the Pi2, Grant :)
Getting this.. Raspberry Pi 2 Model B Desktop (Quad Core CPU 900 MHz, 1 GB RAM, Linux)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4133JwedpXL.jpg
The Black Adder
31-07-2015, 17:54
That's the one ol' chap!
I've got that one, I've had no problems so far apart from ones that were my fault... lol - all sorted now so, yeah... it's a good un.
Rothchild
31-07-2015, 17:56
Fair enuff.
I strongly recommend to the folks who are playing with pi's to get a few rudimentary linux chops, as it really makes trouble shooting and support much easier (and means you don't have to keep buying new ones if you can't get something working! :scratch:).
At the least ya'll should get down with being able to log in to your boxes remotely over ssh (using putty if you're on window) so we can see what's going on under the hood.
cat /boot/config.txt is basically saying 'show me (conCATenate) the contents of the file called config.txt in the directory called boot' somewhat unsurprisingly (given its name and location) the file is the configuration for how the pi should boot and contains all the juicy detail you need, to check what's going on and control which soundcard / output is used (along with a whole host of other stuff)
Alas that went over my head
Rothchild
31-07-2015, 18:21
Alas that went over my head
Shame, because if the new one doesn't work or stops working it's unlikely that anyone will be able to help you any further.
Shame, because if the new one doesn't work or stops working it's unlikely that anyone will be able to help you any further.
Yes, its a problem but at my age, programming is just a tad too far for me. Good at most things but pc language has always beat me.
I would have thought that the only thing you could change was the volumio program, but obviously not, which shows my linux abilities. Personally i think its a hardware problem as it broke down in mid song as it were. Ive forgotten the word you type in to get the bars up for adjusting already.:doh: Old age can be a bugger, especially when youve been hit on the head as often as I have:eek:
Thanks for the replies anyways Marc. It was good of you.:)
Rothchild
31-07-2015, 20:01
Lol, yeah, I struggle to remember how old I am and I'm not even 40 yet (I don't think....)
Honestly though, it's not actually that complicated (google is your friend for this stuff), let's hope that shopping is the solution this time around (and I'll join the queue of people waiting to take the 'broken' one off you ;-))
Well, the new rpi 2b+ came and I mated it with the new I sabre audiophonics dac. alas just the sam. same fail in set up although I dont know if this is anything to do with it. sound out to tv via hdmi socket but nothing from the rca outputs on the dac.
so, the original hardware may well be ok. still no futher forward as to whats gone wrong though.
depressed now .... wheres me gun.
sorted....i threate!ed it with Marcos chainsaw:eyebrows:
damned thing had switched drivers behind my back..i wonder if the other one did that for some reason...must try it.
this new combo sounds bloody good by the way.
brian2957
02-08-2015, 16:03
:) :mex::popcorn: Well done mate :D
Rothchild
02-08-2015, 16:41
Glad you got it working, had you been able to look in the config.txt file we'd have been able to determine that was the case. ;)
I shouldn't have bothered learning any geek skills if I'd known it's all resolvable with a chainsaw! :doh:
The Black Adder
02-08-2015, 16:43
lol... well done, Granty boy.
Ah well... at least you now have the soopadoopa Pi2. :)
no beer and no pi made homer mad
http://media.giphy.com/media/qSsglHKYJEC1q/giphy.gif
;)
Glad you sorted it Grant, you might want to give moode player a look, I found it easier to set up and more robust then Volumio.
http://moodeaudio.org/
How are you finding the new dac compared to the old one?
A bit like comparing a good mm to a very good mc at moment.
Moode eh. Was going to explore different os. I take it you image it the same as the volumio
Moode eh. Was going to explore different os. I take it you image it the same as the volumio
Yes, just download the image and write to SD card.
A few more tunes early evening as the neighbour was oot:eyebrows: Have to say that this new pi dac is the business, and sure the extra memory is helping it on too. Timbre is precise yet relaxed. Also an almost 3d effect at times, if thats possible; Diana Krall's voice sounded absolutely devine, with a certain something in the voice now that was missing b4. Also the slight hardness at the very top octaves in the likes of Annie Lennox ave been sweetened with out need for the MF buffer. Currently a very happy bunny sonically at moment
brian2957
02-08-2015, 21:22
Yup some things are just worth persevering with mate :)
Looks like your indefatigueability has paid off big time :cool:
Yup some things are just worth persevering with mate :)
Yup, your right. Have a feeling there will be more improvements when I get the Moode up and running. It has a dedicated driver for this dac, where Volumio doesn't, and you have to use hiberry. I have it downloaded and unzipped, so when I get a new fast card I will image it and try it out.
indefatigueability big word for a Sunday night Brian:)
cyclopse
03-08-2015, 19:35
Yup, your right. Have a feeling there will be more improvements when I get the Moode up and running. It has a dedicated driver for this dac, where Volumio doesn't, and you have to use hiberry. I have it downloaded and unzipped, so when I get a new fast card I will image it and try it out.
big word for a Sunday night Brian:)
Convinced the Audiophonics DAC is benefiting from the dedicated Moode driver. Have you noticed how the processor is only ticking over now.
Thanks
Steve
brian2957
03-08-2015, 19:36
Yup, your right. Have a feeling there will be more improvements when I get the Moode up and running. It has a dedicated driver for this dac, where Volumio doesn't, and you have to use hiberry. I have it downloaded and unzipped, so when I get a new fast card I will image it and try it out.
big word for a Sunday night Brian:)
I'm full of big words mate . Just can't get em oot :lol:
Convinced the Audiophonics DAC is benefiting from the dedicated Moode driver. Have you noticed how the processor is only ticking over now.
Thanks
Steve
Not got it imaged yet Steve. card comes tomorrow(today now) ....
Rothchild
04-08-2015, 06:27
Convinced the Audiophonics DAC is benefiting from the dedicated Moode driver. Have you noticed how the processor is only ticking over now.
Thanks
Steve
Does it actually have a dedicated driver or just a dedicated 'switch' with the correct name for the card (that actually just switches on the hifiberry driver)?
I suspect the latter as the release notes say: Add Audiophonics I-Sabre DAC ES9023 TCXO to audio device db - adding the name to the database isn't the same as writing a dedicated driver.
EDIT: Indeed the Audiophonics site says that the card uses the hifiberry+ driver - if they had their own surely they'd want to promote that one?
On volumio the sabre doesnt work on the hi plus or mine doesn't . works on the hiberry. Ive no idea but it is individually there. Will maybe find out if it's any better when card comes today.
Interesting point
Rothchild
04-08-2015, 08:37
I have a terradac 9023 card on mine (running dietpi) and it too works with the hifiberry (not +) driver.
Having seen the reference on the Audiophonics site this morning I intend to test the 'berry+ driver this evening. I'll report back if it works / makes any difference (can't imagine it will as it sounds pretty good already)
I think the point is that the 'hifiberry' driver is not a driver for the hifiberry per-se, rather it's an i2s driver, that had its development supported by hifiberry, so they picked the name. The bottom line is that i2s compliant chips should work with it (hence it working with both the sabre and burr-brown implementations of Pi soundcards).
Well, after much anticipation I imaged a card with Moode, and slotted it home, switched on and updated library. initial the player graphics on the tablet were not right for some odd reason and no menus were there or for that matter controls bar browse. I got sound but it was tinny and weak.
after a bit of fiddling /giving up and retrying, I got the full screen come up and proceeded to set up s in the directions for moode 2.1. selected i sabre dac and rebooted. the alsa disappeared and was getting no sound(this turned out to be a blind and was not important, even though the instructions said otherwise). this set of instructions were tbh a lot of bull, as I needed to go also into a section to add some stuff then had to find a button to switch the sound on again. Some nice tunes are now emanating from this finally. its not as intuitive as Volumio .....
I will need to have a good listen over the next few days to see if I think it better though.
Graphics seem to be quite a step up and much more detail, also the adjustments n menu are nigh on endless.
Rothchild
04-08-2015, 17:53
I just flipped over to the dacplus driver and it stopped working, so went back to the straight hifiberry version and it's fine.
it seems to be working fine at moment on current settings... ive put some images up on my blog.currently upscaling to 24 /192
What sample rate converter are you using? When I try any thing over 24/96 SRC: medium quality all I get is stuttering.
What sample rate converter are you using? When I try any thing over 24/96 SRC: medium quality all I get is stuttering.
last post on my log has pics Barry
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?28714-I-think-I-am-(not)-finished&p=672185#post672185
I tried the other version there but I got the same on the higher ones so sox vhq is the one to use I think
Am starting to enjoy the sound of this a bit more now. its very different to the iq dac. as is the moode v volumio. Instruments are firmly in their positions and its very hi end in style. a lot of this is the moode being able to stretch the dac to its capabilities. Graphics etc are much better too.
After saying all that in praise of moode, i still hanker a bit for volumios drive and presence.
Hi Grant,
Funnily enough I've started using MoOde this week too, main reason for my move away from Volumio was the fact that my BubbleuPnP app on my phone kept losing Volumio as a Renderer, so far it has picked up MoOde every time I've gone to use it.
I too was thinking of the Audiophonics Dac to try, as I have a spare Pi, but will wait until I'm back from holiday. Mind you the new iQaudio Digiamp + looks tempting to try, would do fine on my PC room system I think.
Mike.
Ive seen those ..dac and amp on one board. Needs a separate psu though
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 08:51
I simply changed some audio settings in Volumio this morning and it's borked.
All I did was change the upsampling and it just hung on updating MPD. So now it's simply not appearing in the browser, white screen of death. Ii can still access alsamixer though... very odd... if anyone has any advice, do let me know.
Might give Moode a try.
Is it easy to install etc?
I simply changed some audio settings in Volumio this morning and it's borked.
So I'm now think that I'll give Moode a try.
Is it easy to install etc?
Hi,
Installs exactly the same as Volumio. Just format card, and load the MoOde image onto it, currently on 2.1 I think, I'm running 2.0 and working great, the web controller seems to be better than the Volumio one too, I had issues with that hanging and unable to catalogue my music. Going over to MoOde cured that.
Mike.
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 09:00
thanks, Mike - Ii think I will.
there are a fair few more settings to go through Josie but it is a better interface i think. more stable.
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 09:12
Thanks, Grant.. Up to this morning Volumio has been pretty solid. But I think it got it's knickers in a twist with setting upsampling for some mad reason.
Are these the bes instructions for moode? http://moodeaudio.org/docs/tcmods-readme.txt - I hope it will fit on my SD card because Rune didn't, it was about 3 bytes out of space. Must be a crappy SD card.
Also, is there a mirror site for the moode 2.1 build? - it's taking hours to download.
thats the ones. they are alas in my opinion wrong. lol. think i set the dac etc rebooted then pretty much played about till it worked properly.. i started it with my hdd in place i downloaded from moode site. it took about 4/5 mins i think. its longer than volumio. i used a verbatim class 10 8gb card set into a usb adaptor.
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 11:14
Cool... thanks Grant.
Do you (or anyone else) know what the best (default) settings are in Moode?
A list of things to check/uncheck would be cool.
Many thanks
this is how mine is set up...some settings like dac type will be different
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/06/391317f774cd85396283fd5429d7c051.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/06/671ded22527eaff01dec6d44061aa477.jpg
Hi,
I have my volume set as HARDWARE and at 86 which is 0db gain using my iQAudio DAC, it is supposed to be superior to the software setting, not sure if the it's different on the Audiophonics DAC that you have Grant?
I also have both the other settings in ALsamixer at 100. I just use my amp to control volume or if using Airplay on ipad I use the iPad volume control.
Mike.
Downloading Moode now jeez it's slow? gotta go work in 3 hrs:eek:
Downloading Moode now jeez it's slow? gotta go work in 3 hrs:eek:
Hi,
I just tried it and I got it in less than 5 mins ?
Are you using this link?
MoOde 2.1 (https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/moodemedia/moode-sdimg-r21.zip)
Mike.
PS just tried it again and already gotten another download since posted the reply, it was coming in at 4mbps
Hi,
I just tried it and I got it in less than 5 mins ?
Are you using this link?
MoOde 2.1 (https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/moodemedia/moode-sdimg-r21.zip)
Mike.
The one from the main site, I will try your link.
Same thing estimated 35 mins.:scratch:
Hi,
I have my volume set as HARDWARE and at 86 which is 0db gain using my iQAudio DAC, it is supposed to be superior to the software setting, not sure if the it's different on the Audiophonics DAC that you have Grant?
I also have both the other settings in ALsamixer at 100. I just use my amp to control volume or if using Airplay on ipad I use the iPad volume control.
Mike.
hi mike. wasnt sure if i had a hardware vc lol so just using it as i did with volumio. might play with that later. alsa disappeared but not sure why...
Same thing estimated 35 mins.:scratch:
depend maybe how fast your bband is. ive got fibre so was pretty quick...its quite a big program
depend maybe how fast your bband is. ive got fibre so was pretty quick...its quite a big program
Fibre here, first attempt has almost finished
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 13:24
Moode has been playing now for about an hour.... all good. :)
Some of the options could do with a better description under the (?) symbol though.
Many thanks for you help, Grant/chaps... all good.
Yes, it said 3hrs to download for me too but then it downloaded in 10 mins this morning.
Moode has been playing now for about an hour.... all good. :)
Some of the options could do with a better description under the (?) symbol though.
Many thanks for you help, Grant/chaps... all good.
Yes, it said 3hrs to download for me too but then it downloaded in 10 mins this morning.
Got mine on again now tge neighbour has bogged off lol. listening to some paul simon stuff i know very well. Becoming more impressed. as i said separation and soundstage are very good. depth of stage has increased. the buffering being reduced seems better. not tried going to hardware vc yet....not sure how that works tbh.:scratch:
...not tried going to hardware vc yet....not sure how that works tbh.:scratch:have you got your pi hooked up to your system through a pre amp or integrated? If so then the vol control of that is your hardware control. I think you should indeed set this to hardware control in the settings - that should make for a better sq.
have you got your pi hooked up to your system through a pre amp or integrated? If so then the vol control of that is your hardware control. I think you should indeed set this to hardware control in the settings - that should make for a better sq.
yes it goes to a tvc.... will give it a try later once ive got used to the current sound then... easier to see if i prefer it. cheers Graeme
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 16:05
Paul Simon, good choice :)
Not sure how reducing the buffer size would change anything though, does it compress it on the fly?
not sure but supposed to reduce latency. if your processor is up to it i think it improves timing. if you go too low for your system it can stutter or thats what happens in jriver
I ve just invoked hardware vc... had to turn the amp volume down a tad.. think Graemes right. sounds better
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 16:44
Just managed to kill moode by reducing the buffer size too much... must have blown it's mind... Does anyone know of a way to get it back?
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 16:48
looks like a re-install
looks like a re-install
Yes, I think so Josie.
if you can get in, then reset to default. or maybe unplug leave for 10 secs. retry may do it. Wouldnt think that would cause melt down, as such though. mine is the 900mhz processor
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 16:55
Indeed Graeme.
It's great isn't it... why the hell doesn't it just log an error on to the SD card or something? Grr... any coder with brain cell flying free would do this in debug, so why not in the release.
These things are great but you have to be veeeeerry delicate with them which is poor.
Nah, just like Volumio, Grant.. it won't let you in through the browser. Through Putty, yes!... bonkers!
Indeed Graeme.
It's great isn't it... why the hell doesn't it just log an error on to the SD card or something? Grr... any coder with brain cell flying free would do this in debug, so why not in the release.
These things are great but you have to be veeeeerry delicate with them which is poor.
Nah, just like Volumio, Grant.. it won't let you in through the browser. Through Putty, yes!... bonkers!
how low did you go Josie?...I did 1024 and it was fine...still is.
Grant,
Did you ever get to the bottom of what went wrong with your original setup? I know you have effectively replaced everything, Pi, DAC board and now software system. but what was the cause of the original error?
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 17:22
512, Grant... lol
It's all back running now anyway. Good lesson learned and shared though. :lol:
Stay safe kids. It's 1024 and no less... or thy be brown bread! :) Buttered!
Grant,
Did you ever get to the bottom of what went wrong with your original setup? I know you have effectively replaced everything, Pi, DAC board and now software system. but what was the cause of the original error?
The software defaulted to the wrong dac. funny because when I replaced software it defaulted to the wrong one too. Then after I got the new one working I refitted it with software to see if that was the problem and it defaulted to the right one without me doing anything... Volumio has always been a bit buggy with me.
512, Grant... lol
It's all back running now anyway. Good lesson learned and shared though. :lol:
Stay safe kids. It's 1024 and no less... or thy be brown bread! :) Buttered!
:rfl:
did you have to re image or did it finally let you in?
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 17:46
I had to re-image... it just wouldn't let me in.
The software defaulted to the wrong dac. funny because when I replaced software it defaulted to the wrong one too. Then after I got the new one working I refitted it with software to see if that was the problem and it defaulted to the right one without me doing anything... Volumio has always been a bit buggy with me.
So you now have two working setups; one with the IQaudiO DAC and one with the Sabre chip? - that's good, and will be very useful for comparisons.
So you now have two working setups; one with the IQaudiO DAC and one with the Sabre chip? - that's good, and will be very useful for comparisons.
Yes, although the new Pi is the latest 900mhz 1 gb version, I think the other one is lightly slower and less memory. Cant get a dedicated box for the sabre dac at moment so just using the old one with one side off for now. May make something up later, or look for something nice. lucky me:eyebrows:
Rothchild
06-08-2015, 18:15
not sure but supposed to reduce latency. if your processor is up to it i think it improves timing. if you go too low for your system it can stutter or thats what happens in jriver
Latency (buffer size / samplerate x2) ought to have no effect on SQ, it's not even really a meaningful issue for a playback box. (I'll spare the long explanation for now but it's not...)
If anything, a larger buffer should better, it removes strain from the processor and means that things like the interface and mpd using processing won't cause dropouts (especially if you're upsampling).
EDIT: Oh yeah, setting your buffer to 0 will likely do weird things, the smallest buffer I'm offered on my RME driver on my studio machine is 32kb (and my studio machine can't run any meaningful size of project at that setting without glitches)
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 18:41
Latency (buffer size / samplerate x2) ought to have no effect on SQ, it's not even really a meaningful issue for a playback box. (I'll spare the long explanation for now but it's not...)
If anything, a larger buffer should better, it removes strain from the processor and means that things like the interface and mpd using processing won't cause dropouts (especially if you're upsampling).
EDIT: Oh yeah, setting your buffer to 0 will likely do weird things, the smallest buffer I'm offered on my RME driver on my studio machine is 32kb (and my studio machine can't run any meaningful size of project at that setting without glitches)
I would agree with that theory. If the buffer doesn't compress and decompress lossy then the data should be as identical as the stream.
I would like to know the long explanation if you have the time, Marc.
I ve just invoked hardware vc... had to turn the amp volume down a tad.. think Graemes right. sounds better
Hi,
make sure you haven't got the volume set at 100 on that setting as it gives it too much gain, although not sure if DAC dependant but the setting I thought was best was 86 which on the iQaudio ADC is 0db, not sure if the Audiophonics one is the same?
Mike.
Volume goes to 0 and isnt adjustable with this as far as I can see.
Inspired by you intrepid explorers decided to give MoOde another go ....
After much pratting about this afternoon the end result = total pants :steam:
The database struggles to update even a simple flash drive let alone my SSD and when it does I get no pertinent data - i.e. no track names or artists let alone pretty album pics. All tracks are instead listed as a 'Streaming source'. Tried with WAV files and AIFF but no joy - it won't even list station names when I add them to the playlist.
It may be prettier than Volumio but in my experience it sucks big time
Rothchild
06-08-2015, 19:04
I would agree with that theory. If the buffer doesn't compress and decompress lossy then the data should be as identical as the stream.
I would like to know the long explanation if you have the time, Marc.
Lol, I'm not sure I ought to after you've summed it up quite so succinctly!
The same sums are done in the same order regardless of the buffer size - so yes, no loss.
There's a good primer on what latency is here and how they relate to buffer size and sample rate: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201530
Note that they're talking about input and 'round-trip' latency (how quickly you can get a sound back out of a computer after you've put it in) the only effect of a bigger buffer on a playback system is that you might find the controls get a bit sluggish (just because that's the time it takes to fill the buffer and start/stop playing) and it may use a bit more RAM.
Inspired by you intrepid explorers decided to give MoOde another go ....
After much pratting about this afternoon the end result = total pants :steam:
The database struggles to update even a simple flash drive let alone my SSD and when it does I get no pertinent data - i.e. no track names or artists let alone pretty album pics. All tracks are instead listed as a 'Streaming source'. Tried with WAV files and AIFF but no joy - it won't even list station names when I add them to the playlist.
It may be prettier than Volumio but in my experience it sucks big time
well the you're doing it wrong then lol, it scanned both my NAS and the SSD connected to my NAS no problem, make sure once you've added the drives that you get a GREEN TICK on the settings page where you added the drives, if you get a RED X then it hasn't picked up the drive location(s).
Once I detected mine with the correct naming it scanned through 9000+ tracks no problem ;)
For me it is much more stable than Volumio as it would just hang at times and my android uPnP app couldn't see Volumio most of the time, with MoOde it works every single day I've tried it, the Radio Stations are better, the interface is better, and it can see my Library which was another issue I had with Volumio, and I'm pretty sure it sounds better too.
Each to their own I suppose, but I for one won't be going back to Volumio
Mike.
well the you're doing it wrong then lol, it scanned both my NAS and the SSD connected to my NAS no problem
Mike.
I don't use a NAS (can't be arsed with the expense) just plug in USB drives
Everything peachy,creamy with Volumio and has worked fine for a couple of months now, just cannot get MoOde to perform at all - (once I've summoned up the patience to download the bloated image file...)
Would love it to be different given that MoOde has radio stations I actually want to listen to ... but alas it's not to be :(
I dont seem to get the images that were in the folders with the music for albums. Not sure why but guess I cant have everything
cyclopse
06-08-2015, 19:44
well the you're doing it wrong then lol, it scanned both my NAS and the SSD connected to my NAS no problem, make sure once you've added the drives that you get a GREEN TICK on the settings page where you added the drives, if you get a RED X then it hasn't picked up the drive location(s).
Once I detected mine with the correct naming it scanned through 9000+ tracks no problem ;)
For me it is much more stable than Volumio as it would just hang at times and my android uPnP app couldn't see Volumio most of the time, with MoOde it works every single day I've tried it, the Radio Stations are better, the interface is better, and it can see my Library which was another issue I had with Volumio, and I'm pretty sure it sounds better too.
Each to their own I suppose, but I for one won't be going back to Volumio
Mike.
And you get an update every month from Tim Curtis.
Thanks
Steve
cyclopse
06-08-2015, 19:50
Can someone do a favour with Moode. In settings at the bottom of the page there is an option for Kernal Latency. I only have Default showing in the drop down box. Is anyone else seeing ACX and Orion as selectable options.
Thanks
Steve
Can someone do a favour with Moode. In settings at the bottom of the page there is an option for Kernal Latency. I only have Default showing in the drop down box. Is anyone else seeing ACX and Orion as selectable options.
Thanks
Steve
yup. acx and orion as well
The Black Adder
06-08-2015, 20:16
Yep, I've chosen ACX as I think that was the one I had in Volumio.
not tried anything with that and left it on default. Managed to ind something re the album art, and it looks like it only works on upnp server systems. dont think ive got one of those lol
To get album art to show on my system I had to have the art file in every folder called Folder.jpg or folder.jpg and then set moode to default to find the album art. Worked for me.
To get album art to show on my system I had to have the art file in every folder called Folder.jpg or folder.jpg and then set moode to default to find the album art. Worked for me.
So, Barry, I would go into every folder and change the names the rescan/update library
Yes, that's what I had to do on album's that did not show any artwork. Try a few and check that it works for you.
So, Barry, I would go into every folder and change the names the rescan/update library
Ach just stick a CD in FFS! :)
Ach just stick a CD in FFS! :)
cd in...spinning...;)
The Black Adder
07-08-2015, 10:42
I'm not sure if I really need the boosts active in alsamixer. Does anyone have enough gain without them? I certainly do.
i dont get alsa with this dac selected. loads of gain
listening to you can call me al and its awesome lol
The Black Adder
07-08-2015, 11:00
superb track... lol :)
iron maiden for me... haha!
I don't need the extra gain into my Arcam A75+ amp, volume set at about 11 o'clock on the amp, using hardware volume control in moode.
Rothchild
07-08-2015, 11:28
i dont get alsa with this dac selected. loads of gain
Yeah, the sabre dac doesn't have a mixer so it's just straight through (which is better imo - I probably am a bit more 'flat earth' than many around here) - mine seems to spit out plenty of gain.
The Black Adder
07-08-2015, 12:13
Does anyone know how to get Moode to fetch album covers? I've got images in each folder but nothing comes up.
Like I said to Grant, I made sure all my images were called Folder.jpg or folder.jpg, then set artwork to default in moode, could try the all setting in moode. I have no problem showing artwork, but I also have the image inbeded in the music file.
You might find some info in the moode forums.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pc-based/271811-moode-audio-player-raspberry-pi.html
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/moode-audio-player-raspberry-pi-23858/
i couldnt get it to work and have given up. ditto with trying to stream music files etc from pc to rpi wirelessly....so will do without ...its a tad beyond me i think.
The Black Adder
07-08-2015, 15:06
Like I said to Grant, I made sure all my images were called Folder.jpg or folder.jpg, then set artwork to default in moode, could try the all setting in moode. I have no problem showing artwork, but I also have the image inbeded in the music file.
You might find some info in the moode forums.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pc-based/271811-moode-audio-player-raspberry-pi.html
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/moode-audio-player-raspberry-pi-23858/
Thanks, Barry... sorry I missed your other post.
I tried what I suggested yesterday, created folder on drive, copied music file and art image (folder.jpg) to folder, updated drive in moode, rebooted and image appeared when I played the track.
Josie, any luck with getting your album covers to show?
I tried what I suggested yesterday, created folder on drive, copied music file and art image (folder.jpg) to folder, updated drive in moode, rebooted and image appeared when I played the track.
have you got a screenshot of the way it looks in the folder et ...It didnt work for me so i must be doing something wrong.
I have a dozen songs I copied to the sd card, no art work because they were not in a folder with a image file. I created a folder named "Still got the blues", moved the song file to the folder, then copied the folder.jpg image from the main album folder to the created folder on the sd card, updated the sd card in moode, rebooted and image shows.
ah you put it on sd card...not played with that tbh i think id screw it up...best leave that for a genius:)
ah you put it on sd card...not played with that tbh i think id screw it up...best leave that for a genius:)
It's the same principle for any drive, all of my music files are on my NAS drive connected to my main computer up stairs, then streamed to the pi down stairs. My folder setup is artist folder, album folder, song files and image file, all art work is showing on my setup. Should be no different for a connected usb drive.
Rothchild
09-08-2015, 16:26
Yeah, it works fine if the artwork is in the folder with the choons, doesn't seem to work with ones where the artwork is embedded in the file (as it is with some of my FLACs.
I keep all my files as
music folder
music folder - artist name
music folder - artist name - artist/album
with the artwork and any cue files etc in with the album.
I also played with the different driver settings and, as predicted, they are just basically pretty labels, both the sabre drivers actually just load the hifiberry driver - so the odds of hearing a difference due to the driver selection are pretty marginal!
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