View Full Version : New DAC board for my Pi: Audiophonics I-Sabre DAC ES9023
In my original post about my Raspberry Pi adventures I mentioned that I originally ordered an Audiophonics DAC, but got bored waiting for it and order an IQAudio board as well. Well a few days ago the Audiophonic DAC board finally arrived, and I've finally had a chance to fit it. The board is a Audiophonics I-Sabre DAC ES9023 (http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-raspberry-pi-a-b-i2s-p-9341.html). It fits the same interface as the IQAudio board.
http://www.audiophonics.fr/8612-large_default/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s.jpg
I also bought another Raspberry Pi (version 2 this time). I couldn't get my new Pi to recognise the Audiophonics board. However, I've swapped it out for the IQAudio on my first Pi (a B+) and it is working a treat there. I needed to change the volumio settings: set the I2S driver to Hifiberry, but that was all.
First impressions are very good.
The Black Adder
12-06-2015, 17:02
it has better sockets I see... that was something I would have wanted to change on the IQAudio one... or have solder points to be able to set a choice of the plugs elsewhere.
How does it sound?
It feels better made all round. The phono sockets are more substantial.
It pass the Agnes Obel test better than the IQAudio - this is an album that has always troubled the IQAudio. I'm waiting a little to give a full assessment of the sound quality as if it's anything like the IQAudio, it will need a couple of days of playing before it gives of its best.
I'm looking forward to have a long listening session with it as it has a Sabre ES9023 chip at its core. I love the sound of my Peachtree DAC-IT which also has a Sabre DAC.
My plan is to get the IQAudio working with my other Raspberry Pi and then do a back to back comparison.
Actually, looking at the Audiophonics site again, my DAC is one of the new models: Audiophonics I-Sabre DAC ES9023 TCXO (http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-tcxo-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s-p-9978.html)
http://www.audiophonics.fr/11316-large_default/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-tcxo-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s.jpg
Wow. First night listening via the new DAC, and I have a huge smile on my face.
To my ears, the Audiophonics DAC is better than the IQaudIO! It has a more natural and nuanced presentation. I love it.
Also I'm not getting the odd artefacts I'd get with the IQaudIO. Everything is sounding good with the Audiophonics DAC.
I'll get my camera out tomorrow, and post a couple of photos of the unit.
:D
Elbow "Build a rocket boys!" playing at the moment. It's not a rocket, but it is a lovely streaming solution.
I'm not sure this is the greatest photo I've ever taken, but hey ho!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHX6C6hWoAAnCSQ.jpg
I'm not sure what I'm going to do about a case. The RCAs are a little further apart than they are on the IQaudIO DAC so the case doesn't fit. Hmmm.
Looks like a very good crystal in the unit, and even tighter layout / minimalism than the IQAudio, also the Sabre DAC is better on paper, anyway, enjoy!
I've found out why I was having trouble getting the new Pi 2 to work with RuneAudio. You have to edit a text file before the system will see the DAC cards. Details are here:
http://www.runeaudio.com/forum/the-new-4-core-raspberry-pi-t862-40.html#p5386
That means I now have two working Pi streamers. Now I can start back to back comparisons of the Audiophonics and IQAudIO cards.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do about a case. The RCAs are a little further apart than they are on the IQaudIO DAC so the case doesn't fit. Hmmm.
Hi Rob, I was about to ask about the case, as I couldn't see a viable option on the web site...shame the IQ one doesn't fit, as it's the best I've seen on the market....:eyebrows:
cyclopse
14-06-2015, 12:06
Hi Rob, I was about to ask about the case, as I couldn't see a viable option on the web site...shame the IQ one doesn't fit, as it's the best I've seen on the market....:eyebrows:
Could you drill some fresh holes for the phono sockets? Or just have three sides on the Pi case and remove the side causing the obstruction.
Could you drill some fresh holes for the phono sockets? Or just have three sides on the Pi case and remove the side causing the obstruction.
...probably a question best answered by Rob ;)
I think you could just elongate one of the RCA holes, and it would fit. That or remove the one side.
However, as I now have two Pi + DAC units, I'll leave my current case on the Pi using the IQaudIO DAC. So I'm looking round before I buy a second IQ case.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G8wIv84XaxU/VYCVhXUxODI/AAAAAAAAAig/VFG7mhXyEwQ/w378-h673-no/IMG_20150616_220432419.jpg
I think I've sorted out my best combination of Pi's and DAC after a little reassembly.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-IAkHTNmzU-E/VYCVn_B02xI/AAAAAAAAAio/LoAU7zDHLF0/w1200-h674-no/IMG_20150616_215122743.jpg
Side by side:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0Y4R0SjJI0c/VYCVfUeBVZI/AAAAAAAAAiU/zuTRwP88ZF8/w378-h673-no/IMG_20150616_215844486.jpg
RasberryPi B+, RuneAudio, and Audiophonics I-Sabre DAC ES9023 TCXO at the top
RasberryPi 2, Volumio, and IQAudIO Pi-DAC+ at the bottom.
Just ordered one of these:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81-nltde2tL._SL1500_.jpg
It should be easy to modify
I use one of these with my pi/dac, ok if you are happy with no sides, unlimited height extension with extension pieces.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171735430786?_trksid=p2060353.m2748.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291007541074?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&var=590176013325&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I've been looking at the specs of the ESS DAC chip this board uses and it looks very impressive. What's odd is that the Audiophonics website quotes handling of resolutions up to 24/192 whereas the DAC is capable of much higher. This bit doesn't bother me, but what does interest me is that it looks like the DAC will handle native DSD decoding, which on the end of a Pi, if it works could be something really special. Anyone know if the Audiophonics board allows this?
cyclopse
21-06-2015, 09:14
Wow. First night listening via the new DAC, and I have a huge smile on my face.
To my ears, the Audiophonics DAC is better than the IQaudIO! It has a more natural and nuanced presentation. I love it.
Also I'm not getting the odd artefacts I'd get with the IQaudIO. Everything is sounding good with the Audiophonics DAC.
I'll get my camera out tomorrow, and post a couple of photos of the unit.
:D
I take it your using HifiBerry for the dac board driver. Is it true there is no volume control, no alsamixer so fixed at 2V output?
Thanks
Stephen
I take it your using HifiBerry for the dac board driver. Is it true there is no volume control, no alsamixer so fixed at 2V output?
That's correct, I don't have the alsamixer settings available that I get with the IQAudIO DAC. Personally, I'd much rather have the better sound quality of the Audiophonic DAC, than the tweakability of the IQAudIO.
My wooden case (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00B24FLDY)arrived a few days ago, and I've finally got around to drilling out the holes for the DAC RCAs. I'm very pleased with results.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIcyDtBWsAAybRp.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIcyD0PWgAIIIgm.jpg
The case is made by a Spanish Guitar maker (https://sites.google.com/site/granadaguitar/otras-cosas-other-things/raspberry-pi).
cyclopse
21-07-2015, 20:15
These are back in stock for those interested in testing. It's the board with the TXCO clock that you need.
Regards
Stephen
Starterman
22-07-2015, 08:43
I see that there is now a V2 with the connectors on the other side of the pcb:
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-v2-tcxo-raspberry-pi-20-a-b-i2s-p-10176.html
http://www.audiophonics.fr/12240-large_default/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-v2-tcxo-raspberry-pi-20-a-b-i2s.jpg
Apparently there's Un boîtier aluminium spécialement to go with it, but I cannot find it:
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/boitiers-diy-boitiers-divers-c-506.html
Could be tempted with the new v2 with the headphone socket, not sure how this would work seeing the DAC has a fixed output, suppose it would need a player with software volume control, would this not defeat the object of having a fixed volume control?
cyclopse
25-07-2015, 09:39
With a bit of drilling managed to get the Audiophonics DAC into the IQ Audio case.
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/cyclopse14/image.jpg1_3.jpg
If you have problems loading drivers for the Audiophonics board with runeaudio, this might help:
http://www.runeaudio.com/forum/the-new-4-core-raspberry-pi-t862-40.html#p5386
You need to uncomment the driver from the list in /boot/config.txt
My wooden case (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00B24FLDY)arrived a few days ago, and I've finally got around to drilling out the holes for the DAC RCAs. I'm very pleased with results.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIcyDtBWsAAybRp.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIcyD0PWgAIIIgm.jpg
The case is made by a Spanish Guitar maker (https://sites.google.com/site/granadaguitar/otras-cosas-other-things/raspberry-pi).
did you have to elongate them or was there no holes to start with Rob?
i ve got mine in the standard plastic box with one side off. its still solid enough but like the look of those.. is there air holes
Rothchild
09-08-2015, 11:26
If you have problems loading drivers for the Audiophonics board with runeaudio, this might help:
http://www.runeaudio.com/forum/the-new-4-core-raspberry-pi-t862-40.html#p5386
You need to uncomment the driver from the list in /boot/config.txt
I think most distros have now worked around this and included some sort of configuration option that saves you having to edit the config file directly - this fix appears to have been an interim state when the driver got rolled in to the kernel (and they changed to the 'overlay' approach) but none of the distros had code to switch the drivers yet.
After a fair few sessions with this new combo(rpi2b 900khz and I-Sabre 24/192 Dac using MoOde, that is is light years ahead of the of the old, superb rpi2b iqdac with Volumio. Absolutely no complaints that i can find and makes my cd system sound pants in comparison.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/10/54f1cb5db157ed4a6943c1b577a3a3ad.jpg
did you have to elongate them or was there no holes to start with Rob?
i ve got mine in the standard plastic box with one side off. its still solid enough but like the look of those.. is there air holes
The wooden box had no holes - so I drilled holes for a RCAs. I took a little time looking for a case with the extra height to accommodate the DAC board. Most of them aren't high enough. The fact the case was wooden was an added attraction as I though it would be easier to drill.
The wooden case does have a couple of slots - that I think are to allow ribbon cables access. The box doesn't get hot - or even warm. I tend to leave my Pi on all the time.
My other Pi system is in one of the IQaudIO cases. I think that case is nice, but I would have had to enlarge the RCA holes to fit the Audiophonics DAC. I though that would be ugly and wanted to check out the alternatives - hence the wooden case.
After a fair few sessions with this new combo(rpi2b 900khz and I-Sabre 24/192 Dac using MoOde, that is is light years ahead of the of the old, superb rpi2b iqdac with Volumio. Absolutely no complaints that i can find and makes my cd system sound pants in comparison.
Glad I'm not alone in thinking the I-Sabre DAC is a step up. I love it!
After a fair few sessions with this new combo(rpi2b 900khz and I-Sabre 24/192 Dac using MoOde,
Sounds good Grant - did you get the same version as Rob did (i.e. ES9023) ??
Only asking as there are a few on the Audiophonics site and I'm not too bothered about no having a headphone output...
Rothchild
12-08-2015, 07:01
There appear to be 2 basic implementations of the 9023 (which all look like variations of the Terradac (http://www.teradak.com/products/103.html)
The differences between the 4 main models are the clock and the RCA sockets, the cheapest one has the smaller clock and cheaper RCAs, the next one up has the same clock but better RCA, they you can get the TCXO updated clock model (with budget RCAs) and finally the one that's shown in this thread which has the better TCXO clock and the chunky RCAs. I've not heard all the variations but I'm guessing that the biggest difference to be heard (if there is one) is going to be between the differently clocked models.
They also vary depending if they need you to solder pins on the p5 breakout of your pi or if they work with the existing gpio pins - more examples of variants here: http://www.thanksbuyer.com/product/search?&filter_name=pi%20dac
Mine is number 4 ;) lol .... I did see a cheap version from china that had cheap rca's and was a fraction of the price of mine, so guessing its number 1.:eek:
Mine is number 4 ;) lol .... I did see a cheap version from china that had cheap rca's and was a fraction of the price of mine, so guessing its number 1.:eek:
So just like Rob's - with the mini biscuit tin clock and no headphone socket:
http://www.audiophonics.fr/11316-thickbox_default/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-tcxo-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s.jpg
actually i think its this one
www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-raspberry-pi-a-b-i2s-p-9341.html
Rothchild
12-08-2015, 10:07
Mine is number 4 ;) lol .... I did see a cheap version from china that had cheap rca's and was a fraction of the price of mine, so guessing its number 1.:eek:
I'll wager they're all from China (if not from the same factory) - the odds that Audiophonic actually have folk in berrets soldering these up in France is utterly miniscule. IMO the similarities etc are such that the most interesting models are either the complete bottom of the range (mine) or the complete top of the range (ReggieB's).
I've actually been considering taking the RCA's off mine and hard wiring some flying leads, of suitable quality cable, straight on to the dac board (taking another set of connections out of the equation and shorting the signal path even further).
I've actually been considering taking the RCA's off mine and hard wiring some flying leads, of suitable quality cable, straight on to the dac board (taking another set of connections out of the equation and shorting the signal path even further).
This one looks interesting for that reason (i.e. installing a breakout cable) - it looks to be the same manufacturer as the Audiophonics boards but a cheap variant they don't offer which allows later addition of the TCXO:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/I2S-HiFi-DAC-ES9023-Expansion-Board-Decode-Board-Encoder-for-Raspberry-pi-B-/181694631154?hash=item2a4dd80cf2
Could of course be a complete fake ..... but some gambles are worthwhile
Rothchild
12-08-2015, 19:07
Interesting, that does look identical to Grant's
The issue is that it's not straight forward to find those 50mHz 'biscuit tin' tcxo crystals - Audiophonics do them but I was hoping to spend in the 3-5 pound range, not the the 15 - 20!
Interesting, that does look identical to Grant's
The issue is that it's not straight forward to find those 50mHz 'biscuit tin' tcxo crystals - Audiophonics do them but I was hoping to spend in the 3-5 pound range, not the the 15 - 20!
including postage from Audiophonics in France mine was nearly £50
Rothchild
12-08-2015, 19:41
including postage from Audiophonics in France mine was nearly £50
I'm only down £12, so even if I spring the 19 euros that audiophonic want for a tcxo chip I'm quids in! (leaving more dosh for :cool: 'n' choons)
I'm only down £12, so even if I spring the 19 euros that audiophonic want for a tcxo chip I'm quids in! (leaving more dosh for :cool: 'n' choons)
have ordered the one from far Cathay - if I get it in time for Xmas might get the biscuit tin too .... (for Boxing Day fun)
I see that there is now a V2 with the connectors on the other side of the pcb:
Apparently there's Un boîtier aluminium spécialement to go with it, but I cannot find it:
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/boitiers-diy-boitiers-divers-c-506.html
I've ordered the V2 board :)
If anyone spots "Un boîtier aluminium spécialement" please give me a shout...:eyebrows:
I'll go with an old dog bone case for the time being...
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Boitier-aluminium-Raspberry-Pi-/131156949218
is this it?
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Boitier-aluminium-Raspberry-Pi-/131156949218
is this it?
Hi Grant, no apparently it's not yet available, I've just had a reply from our French chums, and thankfully their English is much better than my French, here it is...
https://plus.google.com/+AudiophonicsFr-audio/posts/b8jbCHdMsNM
...it looks a little OTT for me, I was hoping for something as neat as the IQ case, we'll see :eyebrows:
different layout to my board...youd think they woukd keep them pretty much the same..it gets very confusing...damn em
different layout to my board...youd think they woukd keep them pretty much the same..it gets very confusing...damn em
Ah yes, they've switched the RCA's on V2...
Not sure what else is in the box to justify its size, looks like an HDMI cable and a blue light...perhaps I'll customise an IQ case instead ;)
Unless there is a link between then the hdmi is in wrong place too.
Unless there is a link between then the hdmi is in wrong place too.
It's a bit confusing however..."Chassis Aluminium pour Raspberry 2 avec sortie HDMI"
https://plus.google.com/+AudiophonicsFr-audio/posts/b8jbCHdMsNM?pid=6148390584560828514&oid=102683024013761366366
But where's the micro USB for power? :scratch:
badsoden
13-08-2015, 14:23
It's a bit confusing however..."Chassis Aluminium pour Raspberry 2 avec sortie HDMI"
https://plus.google.com/+AudiophonicsFr-audio/posts/b8jbCHdMsNM?pid=6148390584560828514&oid=102683024013761366366
But where's the micro USB for power? :scratch:
Looking at the details of the DAC board on there website I think the 3.5 jack can be used as a power input in place of the USB power input.
Also they have just confirmed that on Google+!
Looking at the details of the DAC board on there website I think the 3.5 jack can be used as a power input in place of the USB power input.
Also they have just confirmed that on Google+!
Cheers for the update Chris...:)
Looking at the details of the DAC board on there website I think the 3.5 jack can be used as a power input in place of the USB power input.
Also they have just confirmed that on Google+!
Neat box and I like the look very much - even if power is via the 3.5 socket there's still the question of accessing the microcard :scratch:
badsoden
13-08-2015, 15:06
Neat box and I like the look very much - even if power is via the 3.5 socket there's still the question of accessing the microcard :scratch:
It does look good but as you say no SD card slot access. I suppose they expect people to set it up and leave it in the slot.
It does look good but as you say no SD card slot access. I suppose they expect people to set it up and leave it in the slot.
In an ideal world, yes. In reality I don't relish a disassembly every time I want to try out a different player or simply install an OS upgrade ..... that card slot isn't best situated as is.
badsoden
13-08-2015, 15:29
Response from Audiophonics.fr
'You'll have to open the top cover. Chosen software solution only need to be put inside once.'
I must admit that now I have the software that I want inside I don't want to keep changing to something else.
Another question is whether the power button will cleanly power the PI down?
couldnt get mine working there.....after a while i find although no ones been near it it had spat out the sd card....most odd!
Another question is whether the power button will cleanly power the PI down?
With piCorePlayer there'll be no problem, one can pull the plug out at any time, as it runs purely from RAM...However I doubt switching it off will do any good for an O/S that writes to the SD card, it'll probably corrupt the image...:eyebrows:
actually i think its this one
www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-raspberry-pi-a-b-i2s-p-9341.html
Actually, that's the one I ordered. It took ages to arrive (weeks - time for me to decide it was taking too long, order the IQAudIO DAC, receive that DAC, built it with the pi, and post about on this site for a few weeks). When I placed the order, the one I received wasn't listed on their site. I think they sent me the one of the new ones to get me off their backs. Whatever the reason, I am hugely grateful to them. It was well worth the wait in my opinion.
Hi guys
Could you make some more comments on sound quality please?
I currently use RaPi2 with iqaudio DAC and thinking what are the significant differences in terms of sound stage, sound signature and details?
Anyone can add some more comments please? :)
Thanks
Bourneendboy
23-08-2015, 17:34
I've ordered one of these and while waiting for it to arrive, thought I'd try and sort a case.
I'm looking at one of these and wonder whether the Pi and DAC will fit? The internal height is 41mm, would someone be kind enough to check the overall height of theirs to see if it will fit - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261845147195?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Cheers,
Bill.
I've ordered one of these and while waiting for it to arrive, thought I'd try and sort a case.
I'm looking at one of these and wonder whether the Pi and DAC will fit? The internal height is 41mm, would someone be kind enough to check the overall height of theirs to see if it will fit - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261845147195?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Cheers,
Bill.
I have my Pi/IQAudio DAC built into an ordinary plastic project box 40mmx75mmx100mm with an internal height of 35mm with some clearance on top and I'm pretty sure the Sabre DAC combo is no higher than the IQAudio model - I'm sure someone will confirm that who has both though ;)
I've ordered one of these and while waiting for it to arrive, thought I'd try and sort a case.
I'm looking at one of these and wonder whether the Pi and DAC will fit? The internal height is 41mm, would someone be kind enough to check the overall height of theirs to see if it will fit - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261845147195?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Cheers,
Bill.
Including the spacers under the Pi 2 it's, about 45 mm (within 1mm) to the top of the RCAs...:eyebrows:
FYI mine is the latest version with the RCAs at the back...
Bourneendboy
23-08-2015, 18:08
Thanks chaps!
Gone for one of these, gives 50mm internal - http://cpc.farnell.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=15002&langId=69&urlRequestType=Base&partNumber=EN84151&storeId=10180
Bourneendboy
23-08-2015, 18:34
How long is the DAC taking to arrive?
Mine took 5 days I think. (audiophonics France)
cyclopse
23-08-2015, 19:36
Purchased on the Sunday and received the following Thursday. They provide a tracking number when you purchase.
Bourneendboy
24-08-2015, 19:15
Mine took 5 days I think. (audiophonics France)
Grant,
How does it compare to the HRT Music Streamer?
Grant,
How does it compare to the HRT Music Streamer?
Different product tbh, but I would say with the Pi as source, the I sabre or the IQ dac are way better, but again they are designed to work with the Pi. I use a streamer upstairs and out to a small but decent set of actives and it is a lot, lot better then a soundcard, and its beauty is its simple to hide at the back. Ive not tried the pi out to a stand alone dac, and doubt anything I could afford could beat this one I have to my ears anyways.
Bourneendboy
24-08-2015, 19:39
Different product tbh, but I would say with the Pi as source, the I sabre or the IQ dac are way better, but again they are designed to work with the Pi. I use a streamer upstairs and out to a small but decent set of actives and it is a lot, lot better then a soundcard, and its beauty is its simple to hide at the back. Ive not tried the pi out to a stand alone dac, and doubt anything I could afford could beat this one I have to my ears anyways.
Cheers Grant!
I'm currently using an HRT MSlll into the Pi and it does sound great, so will be interested to see how the I-Sabre compares.
Bourneendboy
27-08-2015, 16:28
I've found out why I was having trouble getting the new Pi 2 to work with RuneAudio. You have to edit a text file before the system will see the DAC cards. Details are here:
http://www.runeaudio.com/forum/the-new-4-core-raspberry-pi-t862-40.html#p5386
That means I now have two working Pi streamers. Now I can start back to back comparisons of the Audiophonics and IQAudIO cards.
My DAC has arrived today, but the driver is not showing in Rune Audio. How do I edit the code?- http://www.runeaudio.com/forum/the-new-4-core-raspberry-pi-t862-40.html#p5386
Please help!
I think Hiberry is the same driver Bill
Bourneendboy
27-08-2015, 16:37
I think Hiberry is the same driver Bill
I have read I need to select that, but it's not showing in the 'Audio Output Interface' in the MPD Configuration.
Rothchild
27-08-2015, 16:45
My DAC has arrived today, but the driver is not showing in Rune Audio. How do I edit the code?- http://www.runeaudio.com/forum/the-new-4-core-raspberry-pi-t862-40.html#p5386
Please help!
You can put the SD card in your computer and find a folder called 'boot' and file called config.txt (/boot/config.txt) open config txt with notepad and delete the # from the line that says #device_tree_overlay=hifiberry-dac (the # 'comments out' the line so the machine won't read it) then save the file, safely remove the card and stick it back in the pi, next time it boots it will load the correct driver for your soundcard.
When you get more confident you can look to install a program called Putty (http://www.putty.org/) that allows you to log in to your pi from a windows computer and edit the files in situ.
Bourneendboy
28-08-2015, 10:46
You can put the SD card in your computer and find a folder called 'boot' and file called config.txt (/boot/config.txt) open config txt with notepad and delete the # from the line that says #device_tree_overlay=hifiberry-dac (the # 'comments out' the line so the machine won't read it) then save the file, safely remove the card and stick it back in the pi, next time it boots it will load the correct driver for your soundcard.
When you get more confident you can look to install a program called Putty (http://www.putty.org/) that allows you to log in to your pi from a windows computer and edit the files in situ.
I have opend up the SD card on the PC and then 'config' and have this dialogue box - could you please point me in the right direction from here, many thanks!
# Uncomment some or all of these to enable the optional hardware interfaces
# Params:
# i2c_arm Set to "on" to enable the ARM's i2c interface
# (default "off")
# i2c_vc Set to "on" to enable the i2c interface
# usually reserved for the VideoCore processor
# (default "off")
# i2c_arm_baudrate Set the baudrate of the ARM's i2c interface
# (default "100000")
# i2c_vc_baudrate Set the baudrate of the VideoCore i2c interface
# (default "100000")
# i2c_baudrate An alias for i2c_arm_baudrate
# i2s Set to "on" to enable the i2s interface
# (default "off")
# spi Set to "on" to enable the spi interfaces
# (default "off")
# act_led_trigger Choose which activity the LED tracks.
# Use "heartbeat" for a nice load indicator.
# (default "mmc")
# act_led_activelow Set to "on" to invert the sense of the LED
# (default "off")
# act_led_gpio Set which GPIO pin to use for the activity LED
# (in case you want to connect it to an external
# device)
# (default "16" on a non-Plus board, "47" on a
# Plus or Pi 2)
# N.B. It is recommended to only enable those interfaces that are needed.
# Leaving all interfaces enabled can lead to unwanted behaviour (i2c_vc
# interfering with Pi Camera, I2S and SPI hogging GPIO pins, etc.)
# Note also that i2c, i2c_arm and i2c_vc are aliases for the physical
# interfaces i2c0 and i2c1. Use of the numeric variants is still possible
# but deprecated because the ARM/VC assignments differ between board
# revisions. The same board-specific mapping applies to i2c_baudrate,
# and the other i2c baudrate parameters.
#device_tree_param=i2c_arm=on
#device_tree_param=i2c_vc=on
#device_tree_param=i2s=on
#device_tree_param=spi=on
#device_tree_param=act_led_trigger=mmc
# Uncomment one of these lines to enable an audio interface
#device_tree_overlay=hifiberry-dac
#device_tree_overlay=hifiberry-dacplus
#device_tree_overlay=hifiberry-digi
#device_tree_overlay=hifiberry-amp
#device_tree_overlay=iqaudio-dac
#device_tree_overlay=iqaudio-dacplus
# Uncomment to enable the lirc-rpi module
# Params: gpio_out_pin GPIO pin for output (default "17")
# gpio_in_pin GPIO pin for input (default "18")
# gpio_in_pull Pull up/down/off on the input pin
# (default "down")
# sense Override the IR receive auto-detection logic:
# "1" = force active high
# "0" = force active low
# "-1" = use auto-detection
# (default "-1")
# softcarrier Turn the software carrier "on" or "off"
# (default "on")
# invert "on" = invert the output pin (default "off")
# debug "on" = enable additional debug messages
# (default "off")
#device_tree_overlay=lirc-rpi
#device_tree_param=gpio_out_pin=17
#device_tree_param=gpio_in_pin=18
#device_tree_param=gpio_in_pull=down
# Uncomment to enable the w1-gpio Onewire interface module
# Use this overlay if you *don't* need a pin to drive an external pullup
# N.B. The parasitic power feature is not yet functional using DT.
# Params: gpiopin GPIO pin for I/O (default "4")
#device_tree_overlay=w1-gpio
#device_tree_param=gpiopin=4
# Uncomment to enable the w1-gpio Onewire interface module
# Use this overlay if you *do* need a pin to drive an external pullup
# N.B. The parasitic power feature is not yet functional using DT.
# Params: gpiopin GPIO pin for I/O (default "4")
# pullup GPIO pin for external pullup (default "5")
#device_tree_overlay=w1-gpio
#device_tree_param=gpiopin=4
#device_tree_param=pullup=5
# Uncomment to enable pps-gpio (pulse-per-second time signal via GPIO)
# Params: gpiopin GPIO input pin (default "18")
#device_tree_overlay=pps-gpio
#device_tree_param=gpiopin=18
# Uncomment to enable the PCF8523 Real Time Clock
#device_tree_overlay=pcf8523-rtc
# Uncomment to enable the DS1307 Real Time Clock
#device_tree_overlay=ds1307-rtc
# Uncomment if you get no picture on HDMI for a default "safe" mode
#hdmi_safe=1
# Uncomment this if your display has a black border of unused pixels visible
# and your display can output without overscan
#disable_overscan=1
# Uncomment the following to adjust overscan. Use positive numbers if console
# goes off screen, and negative if there is too much border
#overscan_left=16
#overscan_right=16
#overscan_top=16
#overscan_bottom=16
# Uncomment to force a console size. By default it will be display's size minus
# overscan.
#framebuffer_width=1280
#framebuffer_height=720
# Uncomment if hdmi display is not detected and composite is being output
#hdmi_force_hotplug=1
# Uncomment to force a specific HDMI mode (this will force VGA)
#hdmi_group=1
#hdmi_mode=1
# Uncomment to force a HDMI mode rather than DVI. This can make audio work in
# DMT (computer monitor) modes
#hdmi_drive=2
# Uncomment to set monitor mode to DMT
#hdmi_group=2
# Uncomment to increase signal to HDMI, if you have interference, blanking, or
# no display
#config_hdmi_boost=4
# Uncomment for composite PAL
#sdtv_mode=2
# Uncomment to overclock the ARM core. 700 MHz is the default.
#arm_freq=800
# for more options see http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
# setting the max usb current to 1200mA
max_usb_current=1
## Some over clocking settings, governor already set to ondemand
##None
#arm_freq=700
#core_freq=250
#sdram_freq=400
#over_voltage=0
##Modest
#arm_freq=800
#core_freq=300
#sdram_freq=400
#over_voltage=0
##Medium
#arm_freq=900
#core_freq=333
#sdram_freq=450
#over_voltage=2
##High
#arm_freq=950
#core_freq=450
#sdram_freq=450
#over_voltage=6
##Turbo
#arm_freq=1000
#core_freq=500
#sdram_freq=500
#over_voltage=6
gpu_mem=64
As a wild stab in the dark I would suggest...
open config txt with notepad and delete the # from the line that says #device_tree_overlay=hifiberry-dac (the # 'comments out' the line so the machine won't read it) then save the file, safely remove the card and stick it back in the pi, next time it boots it will load the correct driver for your soundcard.
...I'm not sure how to improve on that advice ;)
I have opend up the SD card on the PC and then 'config' and have this dialogue box - could you please point me in the right direction from here, many thanks!
# Uncomment some or all of these to enable the optional hardware interfaces
# Params:
# i2c_arm Set to "on" to enable the ARM's i2c interface
# (default "off")
# i2c_vc Set to "on" to enable the i2c interface
# usually reserved for the VideoCore processor
# (default "off")
# i2c_arm_baudrate Set the baudrate of the ARM's i2c interface
# (default "100000")
# i2c_vc_baudrate Set the baudrate of the VideoCore i2c interface
# (default "100000")
# i2c_baudrate An alias for i2c_arm_baudrate
# i2s Set to "on" to enable the i2s interface
# (default "off")
# spi Set to "on" to enable the spi interfaces
# (default "off")
# act_led_trigger Choose which activity the LED tracks.
# Use "heartbeat" for a nice load indicator.
# (default "mmc")
# act_led_activelow Set to "on" to invert the sense of the LED
# (default "off")
# act_led_gpio Set which GPIO pin to use for the activity LED
# (in case you want to connect it to an external
# device)
# (default "16" on a non-Plus board, "47" on a
# Plus or Pi 2)
# N.B. It is recommended to only enable those interfaces that are needed.
# Leaving all interfaces enabled can lead to unwanted behaviour (i2c_vc
# interfering with Pi Camera, I2S and SPI hogging GPIO pins, etc.)
# Note also that i2c, i2c_arm and i2c_vc are aliases for the physical
# interfaces i2c0 and i2c1. Use of the numeric variants is still possible
# but deprecated because the ARM/VC assignments differ between board
# revisions. The same board-specific mapping applies to i2c_baudrate,
# and the other i2c baudrate parameters.
#device_tree_param=i2c_arm=on
#device_tree_param=i2c_vc=on
#device_tree_param=i2s=on
#device_tree_param=spi=on
#device_tree_param=act_led_trigger=mmc
# Uncomment one of these lines to enable an audio interface
#device_tree_overlay=hifiberry-dac
#device_tree_overlay=hifiberry-dacplus
#device_tree_overlay=hifiberry-digi
#device_tree_overlay=hifiberry-amp
#device_tree_overlay=iqaudio-dac
#device_tree_overlay=iqaudio-dacplus
# Uncomment to enable the lirc-rpi module
# Params: gpio_out_pin GPIO pin for output (default "17")
# gpio_in_pin GPIO pin for input (default "18")
# gpio_in_pull Pull up/down/off on the input pin
# (default "down")
# sense Override the IR receive auto-detection logic:
# "1" = force active high
# "0" = force active low
# "-1" = use auto-detection
# (default "-1")
# softcarrier Turn the software carrier "on" or "off"
# (default "on")
# invert "on" = invert the output pin (default "off")
# debug "on" = enable additional debug messages
# (default "off")
#device_tree_overlay=lirc-rpi
#device_tree_param=gpio_out_pin=17
#device_tree_param=gpio_in_pin=18
#device_tree_param=gpio_in_pull=down
# Uncomment to enable the w1-gpio Onewire interface module
# Use this overlay if you *don't* need a pin to drive an external pullup
# N.B. The parasitic power feature is not yet functional using DT.
# Params: gpiopin GPIO pin for I/O (default "4")
#device_tree_overlay=w1-gpio
#device_tree_param=gpiopin=4
# Uncomment to enable the w1-gpio Onewire interface module
# Use this overlay if you *do* need a pin to drive an external pullup
# N.B. The parasitic power feature is not yet functional using DT.
# Params: gpiopin GPIO pin for I/O (default "4")
# pullup GPIO pin for external pullup (default "5")
#device_tree_overlay=w1-gpio
#device_tree_param=gpiopin=4
#device_tree_param=pullup=5
# Uncomment to enable pps-gpio (pulse-per-second time signal via GPIO)
# Params: gpiopin GPIO input pin (default "18")
#device_tree_overlay=pps-gpio
#device_tree_param=gpiopin=18
# Uncomment to enable the PCF8523 Real Time Clock
#device_tree_overlay=pcf8523-rtc
# Uncomment to enable the DS1307 Real Time Clock
#device_tree_overlay=ds1307-rtc
# Uncomment if you get no picture on HDMI for a default "safe" mode
#hdmi_safe=1
# Uncomment this if your display has a black border of unused pixels visible
# and your display can output without overscan
#disable_overscan=1
# Uncomment the following to adjust overscan. Use positive numbers if console
# goes off screen, and negative if there is too much border
#overscan_left=16
#overscan_right=16
#overscan_top=16
#overscan_bottom=16
# Uncomment to force a console size. By default it will be display's size minus
# overscan.
#framebuffer_width=1280
#framebuffer_height=720
# Uncomment if hdmi display is not detected and composite is being output
#hdmi_force_hotplug=1
# Uncomment to force a specific HDMI mode (this will force VGA)
#hdmi_group=1
#hdmi_mode=1
# Uncomment to force a HDMI mode rather than DVI. This can make audio work in
# DMT (computer monitor) modes
#hdmi_drive=2
# Uncomment to set monitor mode to DMT
#hdmi_group=2
# Uncomment to increase signal to HDMI, if you have interference, blanking, or
# no display
#config_hdmi_boost=4
# Uncomment for composite PAL
#sdtv_mode=2
# Uncomment to overclock the ARM core. 700 MHz is the default.
#arm_freq=800
# for more options see http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
# setting the max usb current to 1200mA
max_usb_current=1
## Some over clocking settings, governor already set to ondemand
##None
#arm_freq=700
#core_freq=250
#sdram_freq=400
#over_voltage=0
##Modest
#arm_freq=800
#core_freq=300
#sdram_freq=400
#over_voltage=0
##Medium
#arm_freq=900
#core_freq=333
#sdram_freq=450
#over_voltage=2
##High
#arm_freq=950
#core_freq=450
#sdram_freq=450
#over_voltage=6
##Turbo
#arm_freq=1000
#core_freq=500
#sdram_freq=500
#over_voltage=6
gpu_mem=64
Remove # from there and save
Bourneendboy
28-08-2015, 15:15
Remove # from there and save
Many thanks again Grant!
Hifiberry now showing! Just got to run through the settings.................
Bourneendboy
28-08-2015, 15:37
So simple!
My Pi and I-Sabre DAC are now up and running, even Spotify is working!
Cheers Fellas:)
Bourneendboy
30-08-2015, 18:52
Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that this can be powered via the headphone jack, can anyone confirm if this is possible.
Cheers,
Bill
This one looks interesting for that reason (i.e. installing a breakout cable) - it looks to be the same manufacturer as the Audiophonics boards but a cheap variant they don't offer which allows later addition of the TCXO:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/I2S-HiFi-DAC-ES9023-Expansion-Board-Decode-Board-Encoder-for-Raspberry-pi-B-/181694631154?hash=item2a4dd80cf2
Could of course be a complete fake ..... but some gambles are worthwhile
And this one was :)
Took just over a fortnight to arrive (which ain't too bad from China) and sounds great. Only downside is it won't play via Volumio which means me using Moode that I don't get on with. Also doesn't seem to play DSD files so I guess it's not equipped for them :(
The lack of ALSA means it's running at 2v output which is also not great for my set up ... but for £14.95 its a real steal so no complaints from me :lol:
Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that this can be powered via the headphone jack, can anyone confirm if this is possible.
Cheers,
Bill
Hi Bill, the one I have, with the RCAs at the back, can be powered via the headphone socket, but not sure about the others...
My only concern is if it can still be powered by the micro USB, otherwise I'm one cable short of a picnic ;)
Rothchild
01-09-2015, 18:27
And this one was :)
Took just over a fortnight to arrive (which ain't too bad from China) and sounds great. Only downside is it won't play via Volumio which means me using Moode that I don't get on with. Also doesn't seem to play DSD files so I guess it's not equipped for them :(
The lack of ALSA means it's running at 2v output which is also not great for my set up ... but for £14.95 its a real steal so no complaints from me :lol:
Should work with the software volume control.
Nevertheless it's a good chance for you to try out Subsonic if you don't like Moode - I'd be interested in if you do give it a go to hear what happens with the DSD files as I don't have any to test.
Rothchild
01-09-2015, 18:28
Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that this can be powered via the headphone jack, can anyone confirm if this is possible.
Cheers,
Bill
I've not seen anything about powering via the headphone socket. You can (with some hacking) power it through the ethernet socket but it looks like a right PITA to do and you need to buy additional accessories too.
Should work with the software volume control.
Thanks for the tip - will give that a whirl next time I have the Sabre plugged in
Nevertheless it's a good chance for you to try out Subsonic if you don't like Moode - I'd be interested in if you do give it a go to hear what happens with the DSD files as I don't have any to test.
Might give Subsonic a go although that won't help the DSD bit, I gather that particular Sabre chip doesn't support the format :(
Yes it does work with the software vc if memory serves. I prefer hardware now but agree it is quite loud. fortunately I can adjust mine easily enough.
Bourneendboy
04-09-2015, 08:35
I've been in contact with Audiophonics and they have confirmed the DAC/Pi cannot be powered by the headphone socket, it is audio out only.
I have an external HD plugged into the Pi, but would much prefer to have it connected to my main PC for ease of loading new music. Can someone please give me a clue of how to set this up.
Many thanks,
Bill.
I have an external HD plugged into the Pi, but would much prefer to have it connected to my main PC for ease of loading new music. Can someone please give me a clue of how to set this up.
Bill.
What is the "it" in the above sentence?
A hard drive;)
If you look on your pc you may see the volumio and be able to access the hd remotely. I can and sent and remove music from my pc upstairs via wifi
Bourneendboy
06-09-2015, 18:07
I've been in contact with Audiophonics and they have confirmed the DAC/Pi cannot be powered by the headphone socket, it is audio out only.
I have an external HD plugged into the Pi, but would much prefer to have it connected to my main PC for ease of loading new music. Can someone please give me a clue of how to set this up.
Many thanks,
Bill.
Coming back to this chaps, after trying a few things with no luck. I'd like to plug the USB hard drive into my router and access via Rune Audio and the Pi. I'm sure this is just a networking thing, any pointers greatly appreciated!
]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/911/hc2BJm.png
If you look at bottom left of the pic you will see moode and all its connections. My hd is in usb1. licking on it allows me to see into the files on the pi drive. I can add to it by copy and paste etc, then on the pi just update folder when finished for he music to appear. It appears as long as upnp is not activated on pi this will show on a pc connected to that network, allowing access. It may work with you I dont know, but unless I am puting lots of stuff onto the drive this is the easiest way for me and being hard wired to pi it is more stable
cyclopse
06-09-2015, 18:28
Coming back to this chaps, after trying a few things with no luck. I'd like to plug the USB hard drive into my router and access via Rune Audio and the Pi. I'm sure this is just a networking thing, any pointers greatly appreciated!
Why not instal HaneWin on the host computer and create a NFS network?
Rothchild
06-09-2015, 18:41
I've always found nfs unnecessarily complex (not that I've tried it for a while).
The fact that Moode offers up a Samba share (Samba is a linux program that allows it to talk to the windows 'SMB' drive sharing protocol) is pretty handy for most windows users as it is just point and click (as Grant has found).
DietPi has the option for both Samba and FTP for network disk sharing, I use the latter because it's platform agnostic and much quicker than Samba for copying files. I also have a back-up drive plugged in to the back of my router (shared via Samba) that my pi automatically backs its drive up to (using 'rsync') so I rip the cd, drag it on to the Pi network folder and then overnight the pi looks at it's music folder and the folder on the drive on the router and just amends the changes.
I'm totally new at this...I'm trying to use volumio on a Galaxy s3 (android) with the Pi, and it works, but seems to only work when wireless is enabled on the router. As i was intending to use the pi as a high res player in my workshop system, and there is no internet or router there, this kind of stymies things.
Is there a workaround so that the phone can directly control the pi without the router acting as an intermediary? Or should I just get a router in the workshop. Am I missing something obvious?!!!?
The Pi needs to be connected to a network, you can't connect directly as far as I'm aware. You can se powerline plugs if the workshop is on the same fs board as the house
That's a great suggestion, thanks. The workshop's about sixty yards away across a field. But if it would reach it would be great, streaming radio would be an option as well as playing files . I'll do some research on how far could be reached...
Actually, looking at the Audiophonics site again, my DAC is one of the new models: Audiophonics I-Sabre DAC ES9023 TCXO (http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-tcxo-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s-p-9978.html)
http://www.audiophonics.fr/11316-large_default/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-tcxo-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s.jpg
I have the same !! It's a great little DAC. This version has a optional clock (TCXO on the top left of the DAC shown in the pic). I have the older version as well which doesn't have the clock. Cannot say yet if the newer model is that much better than the old version which was already very good imho but not compatible with the new pi's. For the price it is an absolute no brainer with the pi (gives you a streamer, airport compatible device, DAC, etc.) and all that with a very limited power consumption. Great stuff !
Nice to hear that you are enjoying it ;-)
greets
ru
Us-&-Them
10-09-2015, 22:44
Hi Guys
I've been very intrigued by this Pi/DAC combination since reading the rave reviews about the Pi/IQAudio combination via this forum. I am seriously not familiar (in any way whatsoever) with Pi's, Linux programming (or whatever language a Pi is programmed with) and I am certainly not familiar with some of the terminology being used (in some of the responses written) in relation to the setting up/operating of this File System audio playing system. In all honesty I am a complete nooob to it all !!!!!!!
Anyway, I've took the plunge and bought a Pi 2, PSU and keyboard. I dont even know how to put an operating system on it, access it, communicate with it or anything else. I have got to now get the DAC - from what I've read, it seems that a lot of you are more biased towards the Audiophonics since its been tested (due to its better build quality (in certain areas). It is somewhat dearer though than the IQ Audio - is the difference in price worth it????? I dont know but, either way there's a choice to be made:scratch:
Anyway, I've got to get a box, DAC, a cable for the router, a NAS file storage centre etc., so I'll let you know in due course but, looking forward to hearing a system that supposedly can be bought for around £150 that sounds as good as a system that costs a £couple of grand :) We'll see :)
Stratmangler
10-09-2015, 22:53
]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/911/hc2BJm.png
If you look at bottom left of the pic you will see moode and all its connections. My hd is in usb1. licking on it allows me to see into the files on the pi drive. I can add to it by copy and paste etc, then on the pi just update folder when finished for he music to appear. It appears as long as upnp is not activated on pi this will show on a pc connected to that network, allowing access. It may work with you I dont know, but unless I am puting lots of stuff onto the drive this is the easiest way for me and being hard wired to pi it is more stable
I'm surprised that licking a USB HDD makes any difference :eek:
Doesnt have to be a nas Loz. A usb hdd self powered or used through a powered hub will do initially if you have one. it just connects hard wired to on of the PI's usb sockets.
I have both dacs and prefer the Audiophonics but the IQaudio one is very good also. You will need to download and install a programme like MoOde. you download to pc, then extract the file. then write it to a micro sd card using win32disklmanager. then instal the sd into pi and switch on. you can then set it up via your tablet or pc by connecting to the programmes local ip address found in your router home page.
Sounds complicated but it isnt actually even I managed it
I'm surprised that licking a USB HDD makes any difference :eek:
Oh yes, youve gotta lick it Chris ;)
Stratmangler
10-09-2015, 23:03
Oh yes, youve gotta lick it Chris ;)
You have to forgive me for spotting and exploring the comedic potential.
Is it the licking that puts the "H" into HDD? :eyebrows:
You have to forgive me for spotting and exploring the comedic potential.
Is it the licking that puts the "H" into HDD? :eyebrows:
Advice from the site says you can lick it or suck it, but dont bite it:lol:
Us-&-Them
10-09-2015, 23:09
You will need to download and install a programme like MoOde. you download to pc, then extract the file. then write it to a micro sd card using win32disklmanager. then instal the sd into pi and switch on. you can then set it up via your tablet or pc by connecting to the programmes local ip address found in your router home page.
Sounds complicated but it isnt actually even I managed it
I get some of these instructions you have stated here. What site do you d/load MoOde from? Where do I get win32disklmanager from? Is it a zipped up file - can I extract using WinRar and then copy and paste onto the micro sd card? Will the addition of the files onto the SD card automatically make it a bootable drive? :scratch: How do I talk to the Pi, how do I tell it to talk to the (audio) files in the drive etc
I'll have to just wait till I've obtained all the parts and see :rolleyes: One things for sure, I hate pratting around with router/settings its a PITA !!!!!
You cant copy and paste it. it needs to be written by a programme. sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager think win32 will auto install if you download to run
http://moodeaudio.org. extraction of zipped files with win 8 is within windows. some others may need an external program.
Once extracted, open win32 and it will write the image to sd for you.
Us-&-Them
10-09-2015, 23:57
You cant copy and paste it. it needs to be written by a programme. sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager think win32 will auto install if you download to run
http://moodeaudio.org. extraction of zipped files with win 8 is within windows. some others may need an external program.
Once extracted, open win32 and it will write the image to sd for you.
OK. I'm downloading moode audio now (724mb zip file). I've downloaded Win32diskmanager (my computer is a 64bit machine but, I do have a 32bit machine aswell) so thanks for that Grant :) Will the Pi2 work with either DAC (I believe V2 card for the Audiophonics)?
... it seems that a lot of you are more biased towards the Audiophonics since its been tested (due to its better build quality (in certain areas). It is somewhat dearer though than the IQ Audio - is the difference in price worth it????? I dont know but, either way there's a choice to be made:scratch:
Personally I went for this which is basically the Audiophonics board with the Sabre chip but direct from China were they are made ... the huge price difference is the real clincher - just £14.95 and took about two weeks to arrive - which ain't bad really).
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181694631154?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
OK. I'm downloading moode audio now (724mb zip file). I've downloaded Win32diskmanager (my computer is a 64bit machine but, I do have a 32bit machine aswell) so thanks for that Grant :) Will the Pi2 work with either DAC (I believe V2 card for the Audiophonics)?
Yes, it works with both. Mike's option is a financially good one, although not tried that particular version It will probably be similar. From France it was expensive(the version I got) ...I still have the IQ one and another pi as back up. MoOde seems much more stable than Volumio, although a new volumio is due out fairly soon, and no doubt I will try it. The beauty of it is you can have several cards imaged with different operating systems and just change them over. once you set them up first time, when you put it back in it just works. Doubt I will move from Moode for a while as I like it
PS. remember to eject the sd card properly or it may get corrupted after writing
Us-&-Them
11-09-2015, 00:08
Personally I went for this which is basically the Audiophonics board with the Sabre chip but direct from China were they are made ... the huge price difference is the real clincher - just £14.95 and took about two weeks to arrive - which ain't bad really).
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181694631154?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I notice it doesnt have the tin TCXO clock box in corner - is it the same? Will it work with a Pi2 ?
I notice it doesnt have the tin TCXO clock box in corner - is it the same? Will it work with a Pi2 ?
Yep ... I have one for my Pi2 and it works fine. The clock is one step down from the tin box model, whether that makes such a big difference is debatable but sound wise its on a par with the IQaudio DAC which I also have. There are some operational differences between the Sabre chip equipped boards and the IQaudio one and how the output level is controlled but that's another story....
Us-&-Them
11-09-2015, 00:37
Yep ... I have one for my Pi2 and it works fine. The clock is one step down from the tin box model, whether that makes such a big difference is debatable but sound wise its on a par with the IQaudio DAC which I also have. There are some operational differences between the Sabre chip equipped boards and the IQaudio one and how the output level is controlled but that's another story....
OK - I'll have to look at this tomorrow :) Just realised the time so off to throw some zzzzzzeds :) Thanks for the info; speak tomorrow :D
Personally I went for this which is basically the Audiophonics board with the Sabre chip but direct from China were they are made ... the huge price difference is the real clincher - just £14.95 and took about two weeks to arrive - which ain't bad really).
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181694631154?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
The components dont look the same as on Audiophonics board. I don't think you can honestly compare these two boards.
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-tcxo-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s-p-9978.html
The components dont look the same as on Audiophonics board. I don't think you can honestly compare these two boards.
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-tcxo-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s-p-9978.html
Bar the RCA sockets, the components DO very much look the same - so I think you 'honestly' can compare.... but it depends which Audiophonics board you compare it too :lol:
I compared it to this one (cost = 42,90 €):
http://www.audiophonics.fr/8612-large_default/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s.jpg
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s-p-9341.html
Look at the ebay picture in detail and you will see distinct similarities in pretty much everything;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181694631154?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Also notable that the Chinese RCA sockets also feature in some of the other Audiophonics boards - leads me to conclude they are actually from the same factory Audiophonics source their boards from before adding their own costs and profit (which I don't begrudge them) If you want to pay the extra by all means go ahead.
my fault... the only thing that seems to be different are the RCA sockets, the board material and above all, the tranquility to know that you are getting original parts. I have the one with the clock which they didn't charge me because the delivery was delayed. Nice touch on Audiophonics part. I asked them directly what the difference was... here their reply: of course he is right in saying that the Chinese sellers dont add taxes :eyebrows:
Bonjour,
De toute évidence les produits sont plus que similaires, il est fréquent que nous trouvions les anciennes générations de nos modules refabriqués par les sous traitants et vendus à l'international sans TVA et frais de douane ( ce qui nous pousse à les faire évoluer en permanence).
En voici un exemple :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XEs9023+au diophonics.TRS0&_nkw=Es9023+audiophonics&_sacat=0
Aucun de ces modules ne viens de chez nous.
Concernant le produit en question, visuellement seules des embases sérieuses (dans notre cas) font la différence avec ce modèle.
Il nous est impossible de proposer un tel prix compte tenu des frais de développement, port, douane, TVA etc ..
C'est ici purement d'un choix intellectuel...
Nous allons continuer à apporter des plus technologique sur les versions à venir.
Sachez qu'équipé de nos embases, le produit est compatible (en le recablant) avec le boitier que nous venons de mettre en ligne :
http://www.audiophonics.fr/fr/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s-p-9341.html
Je reste à votre disposition pour toutes questions sur le sujet.
Cordialement
Quick (google) translation
Hello,
Obviously the products are very similar, it is common that we find the older generations of our modules remanufactured by subcontractors and sold abroad without VAT and customs duties (which drives us to constantly evolve ).
Here's an example:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_fr...onics&_sacat=0
None of these modules are from us.
Concerning the product in question, visually only good RCA sockets (in our case) make the difference with this model.
We are unable to provide such prices in view of the development costs, port, customs, VAT etc ..
This is purely an intellectual choice ...
We will continue to add more technology in future versions.
http://www.audiophonics.fr/fr/kits-m...2s-p-9341.html
I remain at your disposal for any questions on the subject.
Best regards
Us-&-Them
11-09-2015, 15:45
There are some operational differences between the Sabre chip equipped boards and the IQaudio one and how the output level is controlled but that's another story....
I like to keep things simple when I'm on a learning curve :) Which is the simplest to operate etc??
The sabre one is easier in my view.
I like to keep things simple when I'm on a learning curve :) Which is the simplest to operate etc??
I agree with Struth - the Sabre board was pretty much 'plug and play' with MoOde once you have the SD card set up. There are some system options you need to check so it identifies your DAC but that also the case with either board.
Personally I prefer the 'hardware' volume control you get with the IQaudio board but that does require an additional bit of mumbo-jumbo using Linux to optimise performance which seems for some to be a bridge too far ;)
my fault... the only thing that seems to be different are the RCA sockets, the board material and above all, the tranquility to know that you are getting original parts.
Cool ... I know there's always the risk that you get duff knock-offs but as I was only vaguely interested (at best) I decided the punt was worth it - as it is the board performs just fine so no worries there :)
I wasn't bothered about the fancy RCA sockets as I don't use the nuts in my case build and I intend to replace them with a breakout cable either way ... so they were simply superfluous bling as far as I'm concerned :lol:
Us-&-Them
11-09-2015, 16:19
I agree with Struth - the Sabre board was pretty much 'plug and play' with MoOde once you have the SD card set up. There are some system options you need to check so it identifies your DAC but that also the case with either board.
Personally I prefer the 'hardware' volume control you get with the IQaudio board but that does require an additional bit of mumbo-jumbo using Linux to optimise performance which seems for some to be a bridge too far ;)
I like the idea of hardware control but, like I said, I like to keep it simple so plug and play without too much complication seems good to me. As for setting up the SD Card, I thought that mood was the setting up/operating system or is there a bit more to it????
There are a few things to set up in moode but you can do them via your controller; ie tablet, smartphone or pc. its all just ticking boxes and rebooting tbh and is easy. you will get a snap shot from someone or a quick walkthrough. takes 5 mins to be up and running once the card is installed. you initially get web radio which is very good, then once youve set up everything you can add the hdd and ask it to scan it...finished
as said iq can require you to connect a monitor and keyboard and do some Linux. not much but annoying if you are not into the language.
Us-&-Them
11-09-2015, 17:02
Hi guys
Got a bit of a conundrum!! I've just been offered this for £30 - what do you think??
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-v2-tcxo-raspberry-pi-20-a-b-i2s-p-10176.html
Is it worth it or would you go for V2?
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-tcxo-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s-p-9978.html
Not sure which ones which but 30 notes is not bad price. think mine was over 60 including postage. there is a full pi in classifieds built into a box for sale or was..think it is iq audio dac though
I'm using this dac with volumio. I've got volumio on my phone, and after a lot of messing about I've got it to control the playing of tracks on a usb drive plugged into the Pi.
BUT the sound only comes out of the Pi's headphone jack - nothing out of the nice gold phonos of the dac. In playback settings I've selected the various hifiberry options and rebooted. Still only headphone jack outputs.
Any volumio hands out there that can advise? Or should I forget volumio and install moode or whatever? Maybe the dac isn't working?
Us-&-Them
11-09-2015, 17:31
Not sure which ones which
The top one is V1 the 2nd one down is V2 :) What are the differences between the 2 other than the moving round of the components.
Both look good to me. remember those prices dont include postage from France so it is a decent price
Us-&-Them
11-09-2015, 17:54
Both look good to me. remember those prices dont include postage from France so it is a decent price
I agree but, if you look on the boards, one says for Pi B+ but the other says for Pi2 B+ :scratch: so i'm a bit concerned with compatibility issues/operation etc.
Think its just the way its been written. they both do pi 2 a and b and + so doubt there will be any problems. both have the same connecting strip too. think the 2nd one is just an updated version of the other to stay ahead of the forgers lol
Any volumio hands out there that can advise? Or should I forget volumio and install moode or whatever? Maybe the dac isn't working?
I couldn't get the Sabre DAC to work with Volumio no matter what I tried- with Moode it's fine
Think mine worked ok. But I preferred moode by a long way.
Basically I gave up on the Pi after upgrading my Mac digital output, just too much faffing about for what it delivers ... its now relegated to the living room where I use it as a radio streamer connected to a Sony all-in-one combo - sounds very nice when I'm doing the morning crossword and my daughter pushes some Alestorm to it when she's sewing :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta-Z_psXODw
I couldn't get the Sabre DAC to work with Volumio no matter what I tried- with Moode it's fine
Thanks guys...hi ho, hi ho, its off to Moode I go...
Us-&-Them
11-09-2015, 19:35
:rolleyes:OK, just purchased that Audiophonics board so, fingers crossed it works out good :goodluck: Just waiting for Pi2, PSU, keyboard and spacer kit to come; then its HDMI cable, network cable (maybe wi-fi dongle) and then USB H/D cradle or NAS :scratch: the list hopefully doesnt go on toooo much further - oh yes, I forgot, if I aint got a monitor with a HDMI input, I gotta get one of those mini Pi monitors :scratch:. Oh and then hook up to an amp - need some good interconnects !!!! :mental: I think I'm losing the plot; this better be all its cracked up to be !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh crap, then there's a box to put it in :rolleyes: When's Christmas coming :)
All for music :D
cyclopse
11-09-2015, 20:01
:rolleyes:OK, just purchased that Audiophonics board so, fingers crossed it works out good :goodluck: Just waiting for Pi2, PSU, keyboard and spacer kit to come; then its HDMI cable, network cable (maybe wi-fi dongle) and then USB H/D cradle or NAS :scratch: the list hopefully doesnt go on toooo much further - oh yes, I forgot, if I aint got a monitor with a HDMI input, I gotta get one of those mini Pi monitors :scratch:. Oh and then hook up to an amp - need some good interconnects !!!! :mental: I think I'm losing the plot; this better be all its cracked up to be !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh crap, then there's a box to put it in :rolleyes: When's Christmas coming :)
All for music :D
Why not use your PC as the NAS and use a tablet for accessing Moode? That way all the screen bits are not necessary.
Us-&-Them
11-09-2015, 20:11
Why not use your PC as the NAS and use a tablet for accessing Moode? That way all the screen bits are not necessary.
As I said before, I'm not familiar with the intricacies of communicating with a Pi or via PC to/from a Pi so until I get to grips its kinda like being in a dark wilderness :(
cyclopse
11-09-2015, 20:24
As I said before, I'm not familiar with the intricacies of communicating with a Pi or via PC to/from a Pi so until I get to grips its kinda like being in a dark wilderness :(
What about HaneWin software to create a NFS server on your PC to share your music folder.
Ethernet from Pi to router and tablet to run Moode. No other IT bits necessary.
initially a powered hdd is the easiest to get you going. I like the idea of using that software to eventually produce a nfs server from my pc but at moment I dont feel confident enough not to screw up what ive already got. maybe one day though.
.... - oh yes, I forgot, if I aint got a monitor with a HDMI input, I gotta get one of those mini Pi monitors :scratch:
If your using the Sabre DAC and Moode there's be no need to hook the Pi up to a monitor at all - you can do all the setting up you will need on your PC, phone or tablet ... whichever suits. Once you've got your Pi talking to your router you're away ... simples ;)
Once set up you can listen to plenty of 'onboard' radio stations or simply plug in a USB stick with some toons on it - really not complicated at all; once you get used to it (which takes a few hours at most) you can start expanding with an HDD, NAS or what takes you fancy.........
What about HaneWin software to create a NFS server on your PC to share your music folder.
Ethernet from Pi to router and tablet to run Moode. No other IT bits necessary.
While looking at the Hanewin software I came accross haneWIN DHCP Server 3.0. If I turn the DHCP server off in my router could I then use haneWIN DHCP in it's place and use it to setup a static ip address via WiFi for Moode on my pi? My router does not support setting up static ip addresses via WiFi.
Us-&-Them
12-09-2015, 08:09
Hi All
I'm already blinded by science - DHCP, Servers, Hanewin and the like :scratch: I seriously wouldnt know where to start. Its just gonna be a big learning curve and it'll take a while to get to grips with but, once its sussed, then it'll be good hopefully :eyebrows:
Just gotta wait for all the stuff to arrive and then see how we go from there :)
I'll report back, as and when :)
Cheers to all of you for the advice/comments.
Don't worry Loz, the basic setup using a cable and usb drive is fairly simple, the fun can start when you add wifi and a NAS drive. :)
Well....Moode installed and high quality sound is now outputted at the phono sockets. Thanks to all who suggested Moode.
I do have major further problems, though - I'd appreciate any help!
When I first connected up after installing Moode, in the browse section there was a tab showing for webradio, and a tab showing USB, with the contents of my USB stick displayed when I clicked on it.
Now there's nothing but webradio.
I've tried the following:
Going back to an ethernet connection, removing the wireless usb transmitter in case it was hogging.
Another USB stick
Turning off and on again, both as a re-boot within Moode, and physically removing and re plugging the cable after shutdown in Moode.
Is there a way of forcing the Pi to see the USB storage? Both sticks show up fine on my main computer, but now when I plug them in I do get asked if I want to scan and fix them, which I don't usually get, and don't think I got before using them in the Pi.
Considering I embarked on this project to play hi res off storage this is all rather disappointing :(
cyclopse
12-09-2015, 09:42
Well....Moode installed and high quality sound is now outputted at the phono sockets. Thanks to all who suggested Moode.
I do have major further problems, though - I'd appreciate any help!
When I first connected up after installing Moode, in the browse section there was a tab showing for webradio, and a tab showing USB, with the contents of my USB stick displayed when I clicked on it.
Now there's nothing but webradio.
I've tried the following:
Going back to an ethernet connection, removing the wireless usb transmitter in case it was hogging.
Another USB stick
Turning off and on again, both as a re-boot within Moode, and physically removing and re plugging the cable after shutdown in Moode.
Is there a way of forcing the Pi to see the USB storage? Both sticks show up fine on my main computer, but now when I plug them in I do get asked if I want to scan and fix them, which I don't usually get, and don't think I got before using them in the Pi.
Considering I embarked on this project to play hi res off storage this is all rather disappointing :(
Have you tried Menu > Configure > Sources > Update MPD DB.
Thanks
Steve
Have you tried Menu > Configure > Sources > Update MPD DB.
Thanks
Steve
Result!
Thanks!
Bourneendboy
12-09-2015, 10:28
Hi All
I'm already blinded by science - DHCP, Servers, Hanewin and the like :scratch: I seriously wouldnt know where to start. Its just gonna be a big learning curve and it'll take a while to get to grips with but, once its sussed, then it'll be good hopefully :eyebrows:
Just gotta wait for all the stuff to arrive and then see how we go from there :)
I'll report back, as and when :)
Cheers to all of you for the advice/comments.
Loz,
If you want one that's all up and running with Runeaudio, I have one for sale in the classifieds:)
Us-&-Them
12-09-2015, 12:17
Loz,
If you want one that's all up and running with Runeaudio, I have one for sale in the classifieds:)
Thanks for the offer but, got a lot of the stuff on order and on the way now so it would be kinda pointless :)
Cheers
Loz
I couldn't get the Sabre DAC to work with Volumio no matter what I tried- with Moode it's fine
Not sure but did you select the "hifiberry" I2S driver from the "system" menu in the volumio web interface ? All other drivers won't work.
Ah yes i remember whe! I used the sabre with volumio. That was my initial problem i had it on hibery plus and it didnt work.plain old hiberry did. I remember thinking it sounded better than the iq one and got a further improvement with moodes output
Just to say thanks to all on this thread who kindly provided pointers and help.
It's all running well now and am able to control functions with my phone. So far I've only tried it with my lowly living room system(no wi fi elsewhere as yet) - Genexa pro speakers and Luxman l5 integrated. This isn't a super resolving system, but I'd say I'm hearing much improved clarity and superior ambience retrieval compared to the Pioneer CDP previously used. I'll post my findings when I crack extending the wi fi to try it in one of the big systems.
To other newbies, perhaps at the directing profanities at the unfamiliar and intractable stage, I'd say persevere - this thing is so good when it's set up. Stick at it and if you're really up against it there's helpful advice to be had here.
So thanks again all, firstly for the heads up about this amazing device, and secondly for the helpful nudges en-route. Now....back to some music...
Not sure but did you select the "hifiberry" I2S driver from the "system" menu in the volumio web interface ? All other drivers won't work.
Tried pretty much all the drivers as I recall but might give that a go if I ever plug the Sabre in again. To be honest I kicked it into touch because the chip doesn't support DSD playback (which IQaudio does) and as I'm interested in exploring this area at some point the Sabre is no use to me really. Either way developments with my Mac OS playback set up since then have rendered the Pi redundant as my main player so all is moot really as far as I'm concerned.
After a couple of weeks delay...I didn't spot that my 75p bag of mother board spaces was in fact coming from Hongkong :doh:
...I'm up and running with;
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-v2-tcxo-raspberry-pi-20-a-b-i2s-p-10176.html
...N.B. for anyone else out there that's contemplating this board it does happily run from the USB power supply, despite there also being a min-jack PSU plug on the DAC...I'll save that for the official case, if and when it's ever released.
First thing of note is in combination with the pi 2 it's pretty tall, hence the need for many spacers, and hence it looks a little Heath-Robinson in comparison to the IQ case...I'll let it run in and see how it compares sonically :eyebrows:
One thing of note, I'm using piCorePlayer, the configuration that works is to select 'Generic I2S', the card will then default to HiFiberry rather than ALSA...:)
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First thing of note is in combination with the pi 2 it's pretty tall, hence the need for many spacers, and hence it looks a little Heath-Robinson in comparison to the IQ case...
What's the height of the spacers between the RPi and audiophonics DAC?
What's the total height of spacers used between bottom and top plate of the open dog-bone case?
Not at home with the pi at the moment, however the dog bone case is as follows...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00MTIS49A?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
...from the photo you can see all of the silver spacers were required (one had no thread in the top, hence the front right top screw is not installed), in addition I used 2 of the brass spacers on each leg, now the only issue is how long are they 4 or 5 mm...?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00MJUABCG?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00
...anyway it'll do until I get the proper case...:)
Ive got a guitar man wood case on order but its still not arrived ...ggrrrr
la nouvelle boite est arrive...!!!
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/aluminium-boxes-cases/aluminium-chassis-for-i-sabre-v2-dac-raspberry-pi-20-model-b-p-10280.html
...let's hope they issue some instructions ;)
looks nice :) I guess the PS will have to be separate. I wonder how the LED will work though :scratch:
This is probably the casing for the new ready built Audiophonics streamer.
Best
Ru
looks nice :) I guess the PS will have to be separate. I wonder how the LED will work though :scratch:
This is probably the casing for the new ready built Audiophonics streamer.
Best
Ru
As I'm using a battery I'm glad it's separate...my only concern is the soldering required to fit the mini jack DC socket, perhaps I'll get a grown up to do it...;)
I think they're working on a 'driver' for the LED screen for Volumio...
"Hello Will, assembly is really easy, but yes it's a good suggestion, we can do assembly tutorial.
We're also willing to post a tutorial for Volumio Installation including LCD driver."
...presumably some form of API that can capture and display meta data from the player...so track/artist/album etc, which would be nice :)
Unfortunately I'm using piCorePlayer, so unless it's generic, I'll have to wait until a compatible one is available...if at all :eyebrows:
Therefore I presume all I'll have is their logo, if and when I get it up and running
;-)
looks like there will be a version 2 of the casing which won't require de desoldering of the jack. In any event, if you have some experience with soldering, it should be quite easy to remove it.
cheers
ru
Attention dans sa version actuelle le boîtier nécessite de dessouder le jack 3.5 mm (à droite des RCA) présent sur la version 2 du Audiophonics I-Sabre DAC ES9023 V2 TCXO.
This popped though the letterbox today.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/17/2ed09fba5b19acd2debafc23aa972c29.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/17/fa81cf084a8161faf7e43c45e0f79c64.jpg
2 holes for rca's need drilling otherwise its all ok. Drilling is not too bad if careful and fits nicely.
looks cool ... looks a bit like a device out of a Jules Verne book / movie :)
Grant, I'm glad you like the wooden case. My Pi has been working well in its case for a few months now.
Grant, I'm glad you like the wooden case. My Pi has been working well in its case for a few months now.
I do Rob its attractive and seems to be just about perfect. the only criticism is the ventilation is all on the bottom(dunno if its needed) so I have taken to running it on its edge with logo outfacing to allow air at the bottom. seems to run cooler that way.
Pi in vertical position
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/17/c6ed5d743771c9c54a9fdb4bb7777295.jpg
Grant, I was a little concerned about heat dissipation but it doesn't seem to be a problem. There is a lot of space around the boards, and the Pi doesn't get particularly warm anyway.
Grant, I was a little concerned about heat dissipation but it doesn't seem to be a problem. There is a lot of space around the boards, and the Pi doesn't get particularly warm anyway.
Apologies if this is a case of grandmothers and egg sucking, however...
Temperature = sudo cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
...if you want to check out the pi temperature :)
Apologies if this is a case of grandmothers and egg sucking, however...
Temperature = sudo cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
...if you want to check out the pi temperature :)
Not at all Will....I just touch the box;) I will give it a bash sometime though
cyclopse
19-09-2015, 20:02
If in Moode why not do menu > audio info temperature of processor bottom left.
Regards
Steve
The Pi needs to be connected to a network, you can't connect directly as far as I'm aware. You can se powerline plugs if the workshop is on the same fs board as the house
I'm dredging this up from several pages back so that others know its a workable strategy. My workshop is right across a field from the house, nevertheless the powerline devices I chose
http://http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00DHB2T44/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/275-0653771-0629745?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_r=18PBNHQ68Y8N1DG2D4JH&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=569136327&pf_rd_i=B0084Y9N3O
manage to connect with each other and extend wi-fi succesfully. Glitches en route included not realising Moode needed to have the powerline devices SSID and password, not that of the router network:doh:.
So I was at last able to try the Pi/Audiophonics Dac in the serious system in the barn, up against the slightly poorly* Denon 2900 that is the normal digital source in that system.
The Denon is plugged into a BBC transmitter voltage surge protector/power supply which gives a better sound. So I likewise plugged the Pi in, giving it every chance.
My initial impression was the Pi wasn't as good - you know how some speakers can sound impressive, but because they aren't really clean in the HF? You think there's more happening there, but some of it is just very slight coarseness giving the illusion of detail and exuberance. Further critical listening is often needed to establish exactly what's going on, and then its usually an embarrassed retreat from the first position adopted. Particularly if there's something really clean to hand to compare with.
So, my first reaction to the Pi was that something was missing.
I gave it a few tracks of hi res Rumours, then swapped back to the Denon. And I right away thought I was correct, that the Pi is missing something. I swapped back, was more careful about matching levels, and changed my opinion. There is more clarity and less hash in the treble of the Pi. And although bass seems less, what is there goes just as low and is just as articulate. Maybe less open? Maybe just a touch. But is that openness or treble emphasis with the Denon?
Ironically these were just the improvements noticed when I first tried the BBC power supply. The Pi, on extended listening, came over as just creamier than the Denon and leaner in the bass. A fractionally smaller overall soundstage in the bass and a larger one in the treble, if that makes sense, but less hash. Dynamics about the same, but the Pi sounding less obvious because it's cleaner. I realise I may have sounded a bit critical with regard to the bass - but its not really worse or better, just a little different.
Those big Ureis really show whats upstream without fear or favour.
Has anyone tried improving on the stock Pi power supply or giving a separate supply to the Audiophonics Dac or whatever? And was there improvement to be had?
Then to Radio:
On R4 compared to my classic Onkyo T9090ii tuner....Hmm...advantage Pi - creamier, less sibilance, better specificity of image. And I have an external aerial and am in sight of the mast. And the Onkyo is a VERY nice Fm tuner. But the Pi
A. sounds better IMHO
B gets a gazillion more stations, some of which are very listenable. (Wouldn't mind R4 extra, though. How DO you add them?)
*Since replacing laser plays CD's ok, but is flakey from about halfway through any hi-res discs, though will play tracks from start anywhere on the disc. Any pointers to fixing this gratefully received...still love my Denon.
I'm dredging this up from several pages back so that others know its a workable strategy. My workshop is right across a field from the house, nevertheless the powerline devices I chose
http://http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00DHB2T44/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/275-0653771-0629745?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_r=18PBNHQ68Y8N1DG2D4JH&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=569136327&pf_rd_i=B0084Y9N3O
manage to connect with each other and extend wi-fi succesfully. Glitches en route included not realising Moode needed to have the powerline devices SSID and password, not that of the router network:doh:.
So I was at last able to try the Pi/Audiophonics Dac in the serious system in the barn, up against the slightly poorly* Denon 2900 that is the normal digital source in that system.
The Denon is plugged into a BBC transmitter voltage surge protector/power supply which gives a better sound. So I likewise plugged the Pi in, giving it every chance.
My initial impression was the Pi wasn't as good - you know how some speakers can sound impressive, but because they aren't really clean in the HF? You think there's more happening there, but some of it is just very slight coarseness giving the illusion of detail and exuberance. Further critical listening is often needed to establish exactly what's going on, and then its usually an embarrassed retreat from the first position adopted. Particularly if there's something really clean to hand to compare with.
So, my first reaction to the Pi was that something was missing.
I gave it a few tracks of hi res Rumours, then swapped back to the Denon. And I right away thought I was correct, that the Pi is missing something. I swapped back, was more careful about matching levels, and changed my opinion. There is more clarity and less hash in the treble of the Pi. And although bass seems less, what is there goes just as low and is just as articulate. Maybe less open? Maybe just a touch. But is that openness or treble emphasis with the Denon?
Ironically these were just the improvements noticed when I first tried the BBC power supply. The Pi, on extended listening, came over as just creamier than the Denon and leaner in the bass. A fractionally smaller overall soundstage in the bass and a larger one in the treble, if that makes sense, but less hash. Dynamics about the same, but the Pi sounding less obvious because it's cleaner. I realise I may have sounded a bit critical with regard to the bass - but its not really worse or better, just a little different.
Those big Ureis really show whats upstream without fear or favour.
Has anyone tried improving on the stock Pi power supply or giving a separate supply to the Audiophonics Dac or whatever? And was there improvement to be had?
Then to Radio:
On R4 compared to my classic Onkyo T9090ii tuner....Hmm...advantage Pi - creamier, less sibilance, better specificity of image. And I have an external aerial and am in sight of the mast. And the Onkyo is a VERY nice Fm tuner. But the Pi
A. sounds better IMHO
B gets a gazillion more stations, some of which are very listenable. (Wouldn't mind R4 extra, though. How DO you add them?)
*Since replacing laser plays CD's ok, but is flakey from about halfway through any hi-res discs, though will play tracks from start anywhere on the disc. Any pointers to fixing this gratefully received...still love my Denon.
Yes there is a considerable difference using even fairly cheap bits, I knocked together a Audiowind regulator board (£13 from ebay) and a dual output 6V toroid from Maplins and it made an easily noticeable step up in SQ, a second Audiowind board, from the second Transformer tap, connected to the DAC made less of an improvement but it was noticeable (bit more focus, tighter bass). I'm about to build 2 better supplies and will hopefully hear another step up.....
Yes there is a considerable difference using even fairly cheap bits, I knocked together a Audiowind regulator board (£13 from ebay) and a dual output 6V toroid from Maplins and it made an easily noticeable step up in SQ, a second Audiowind board, from the second Transformer tap, connected to the DAC made less of an improvement but it was noticeable (bit more focus, tighter bass). I'm about to build 2 better supplies and will hopefully hear another step up.....
Thanks....food for thought.
I'm dredging this up from several pages back so that others know its a workable strategy. My workshop is right across a field from the house, nevertheless the powerline devices I chose
http://http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00DHB2T44/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/275-0653771-0629745?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_r=18PBNHQ68Y8N1DG2D4JH&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=569136327&pf_rd_i=B0084Y9N3O
manage to connect with each other and extend wi-fi succesfully. Glitches en route included not realising Moode needed to have the powerline devices SSID and password, not that of the router network:doh:.
So I was at last able to try the Pi/Audiophonics Dac in the serious system in the barn, up against the slightly poorly* Denon 2900 that is the normal digital source in that system.
The Denon is plugged into a BBC transmitter voltage surge protector/power supply which gives a better sound. So I likewise plugged the Pi in, giving it every chance.
My initial impression was the Pi wasn't as good - you know how some speakers can sound impressive, but because they aren't really clean in the HF? You think there's more happening there, but some of it is just very slight coarseness giving the illusion of detail and exuberance. Further critical listening is often needed to establish exactly what's going on, and then its usually an embarrassed retreat from the first position adopted. Particularly if there's something really clean to hand to compare with.
So, my first reaction to the Pi was that something was missing.
I gave it a few tracks of hi res Rumours, then swapped back to the Denon. And I right away thought I was correct, that the Pi is missing something. I swapped back, was more careful about matching levels, and changed my opinion. There is more clarity and less hash in the treble of the Pi. And although bass seems less, what is there goes just as low and is just as articulate. Maybe less open? Maybe just a touch. But is that openness or treble emphasis with the Denon?
Ironically these were just the improvements noticed when I first tried the BBC power supply. The Pi, on extended listening, came over as just creamier than the Denon and leaner in the bass. A fractionally smaller overall soundstage in the bass and a larger one in the treble, if that makes sense, but less hash. Dynamics about the same, but the Pi sounding less obvious because it's cleaner. I realise I may have sounded a bit critical with regard to the bass - but its not really worse or better, just a little different.
Those big Ureis really show whats upstream without fear or favour.
Has anyone tried improving on the stock Pi power supply or giving a separate supply to the Audiophonics Dac or whatever? And was there improvement to be had?
Then to Radio:
On R4 compared to my classic Onkyo T9090ii tuner....Hmm...advantage Pi - creamier, less sibilance, better specificity of image. And I have an external aerial and am in sight of the mast. And the Onkyo is a VERY nice Fm tuner. But the Pi
A. sounds better IMHO
B gets a gazillion more stations, some of which are very listenable. (Wouldn't mind R4 extra, though. How DO you add them?)
*Since replacing laser plays CD's ok, but is flakey from about halfway through any hi-res discs, though will play tracks from start anywhere on the disc. Any pointers to fixing this gratefully received...still love my Denon.
Just an update, in case any AOS'ers take the above as gospel and think I rode off happily into the sunset.
The powerline devices mentioned stopped functioning - they'd work in the house, but refused to connect to each other over the longer distance. Flakey...I've sent them back.
The Pi/dac is back in the house system, which is very pleasant to have, and where it works almost flawlessly, apart from sometimes throwing a mild wobbler when updating the 128gig USB, and sometimes taking it upon itself to, just for the hell of it, get a new ip address.
In the workshop I took advice from the other place and now have a Yamaha DVD-S2700, which is a considerable advance on the Denon 2900. Plays all my hi res discs and does a stellar job on CDs too.
God, this thing is almost too clear, its spooky.
I'm afraid I have to say that it exceeds the Pi/dac's capabilities by some margin too.
But I'm very happy to have made the Pi/dac, and it gets a lot of use down in the house. Its good enough to majorly sonically embarrass both the Technics ST-7300 and the Pioneer Pd-207, so they're retiring to the subs bench.
Result!
Interesting take Nial. Ive never tried a Yamaha cd player, but if you prefer it then thats great. I love my Pi and think it is at least the equal of my cd set up, and although obviously more fiddly, its nice and easy to use. I can change the music without the pain of getting up etc. Not tried these powerline network transfer devices, but have considered it recently (after your post actually) So good to know they aint perfect.
Not tried these powerline network transfer devices, but have considered it recently (after your post actually) So good to know they aint perfect.
Hi Grant,
I run my Pi via power line adapters and no issues here, it all depends on which ones you buy, I had expensive Devolo ones and they were crap. Swapped them for Tplink ones and they've been rock solid.
Mike.
Interesting take Nial. Ive never tried a Yamaha cd player, but if you prefer it then thats great. I love my Pi and think it is at least the equal of my cd set up, and although obviously more fiddly, its nice and easy to use. I can change the music without the pain of getting up etc. Not tried these powerline network transfer devices, but have considered it recently (after your post actually) So good to know they aint perfect.
I think re powerlines it may be you have to suck it and see - mine worked ok in the house, and when I first got them they reached the fifty yards or so to the workshop seemingly without trouble.
Then they lost the connection and despite running through the pairing up ritual many times they would connect perfectly well in the house but not over the distance.
I didnt mention the other negative with them which was I thought I had a capacitor going on one channel of the JVC combo....grumbling motorboating and crackling at low but audible level. Turned off the powerline and it stopped. It was def the powerline, you could turn it off and on. Wireless or wired connection made no difference.
The Yam is a real sleeper...it's that good.
Rothchild
07-10-2015, 10:14
I run my pi with a wireless dongle and have no issues (including upstreaming files to the internet so I can listen at work).
I've only had one experience with powerline adaptors and it wasn't a good one!
cyclopse
07-10-2015, 21:50
Just an update, in case any AOS'ers take the above as gospel and think I rode off happily into the sunset.
The powerline devices mentioned stopped functioning - they'd work in the house, but refused to connect to each other over the longer distance. Flakey...I've sent them back.
The Pi/dac is back in the house system, which is very pleasant to have, and where it works almost flawlessly, apart from sometimes throwing a mild wobbler when updating the 128gig USB, and sometimes taking it upon itself to, just for the hell of it, get a new ip address.
In the workshop I took advice from the other place and now have a Yamaha DVD-S2700, which is a considerable advance on the Denon 2900. Plays all my hi res discs and does a stellar job on CDs too.
God, this thing is almost too clear, its spooky.
I'm afraid I have to say that it exceeds the Pi/dac's capabilities by some margin too.
But I'm very happy to have made the Pi/dac, and it gets a lot of use down in the house. Its good enough to majorly sonically embarrass both the Technics ST-7300 and the Pioneer Pd-207, so they're retiring to the subs bench.
Result!
You can fix the Pis IP address to a static one so it will never change. I would never use power line adapters. My friend is into amateur radio and he showed me the noise coming from a home down the road that uses them. Our passtime likes as pure a supply as possible so powerlines go against this.
Regards
Stephen
Mine changes sometimes but only when its been off, and not always. depends what else is on at time. no big deal as my router tells me where its at and I just edit the speedial accordingly. I have found that my broadband slows considerably when I send stuff down to the pi hdd to an extent that I have to reset the router by switching it off. must narrow the bandwidth or something.
Really need to look into a nas
does your router have a speed dial ?
lol. no my browser. Opera usually. Moode is on a tile. if it doesnt load, I go the the router tile and see where it went and just edit the moode one... I like fast access;)
ohhki ;) btw didn't know Moode... it sure looks alot like Volumio !
Used to use Volumio, but moode is so much better on every level tbh. Maybe volumio 2 will redress the balance when it comes out. I checked a few days ago and no news yet.
Moode is more stable, looks better and sounds better imo.
Really need to look into a nas
Hi Grant, get one with LMS loaded, put picoreplayer on your piDACs, and orange squeeze on your phone and away you go...
All the file access grunt is taken up by the NAS, the players are effectively decoupled from the source HD, its accessible to multiple clients in multiple rooms, all the GUI grunt is taken up by your phone and or tablet, leaving the pi to DAC and network duties alone, hence picoreplayer runs purely from RAM and is therefore immune to power cuts etc.
Add to that the benefits of RAID D/R, low power usage, and fanless if you wish. I have my NAS hard wired to the router, and my players connected via wifi, two of which are piDACs, they're rock solid. :)
You can fix the Pis IP address to a static one so it will never change. I would never use power line adapters. My friend is into amateur radio and he showed me the noise coming from a home down the road that uses them. Our passtime likes as pure a supply as possible so powerlines go against this.
Regards
Stephen
Well...I did try that at one point. The router then wouldn't find it. I couldn't access the Pi to change it back. I had a brick until in the end I took out the sd card, re formatted it, re installed Moode, hard wired the router to the Pi, set up the wireless, disconnected and was back where I was.
Well...I did try that at one point. The router then wouldn't find it. I couldn't access the Pi to change it back. I had a brick until in the end I took out the sd card, re formatted it, re installed Moode, hard wired the router to the Pi, set up the wireless, disconnected and was back where I was.
I would set up the static ip on the router. There is usually a table where you can list specific items (like a printer for instance), and give it a static ip. The table maps the unique MAC address of the item to a static ip address. Then the router will always know where to look, and if you have programmed a browser or something to expect a specific ip address then it will always be there. No need to do this at the pi.
I would set up the static ip on the router. There is usually a table where you can list specific items (like a printer for instance), and give it a static ip. The table maps the unique MAC addresse of the item to a static ip address. Then the router will always know where to look, and if you have programmed a browser or something to expect a specific ip address then it will always be there. No need to do this at the pi.
This worked...thanks!
This worked...thanks!
Wish my Belkin router supported that option, it would save a lot of hassle.
Hi All,
not sure this has been raised yet but there is a ready built Kit from Audiophonics.fr with the new V2 Sabre DAC and a LCD screen. As I understand, software (i.e. Volumio, etc.) is already installed. There will be a DIY version in the near future as well.
Greetings
Ru
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/appareils-hifi-dac/audiophonics-raspdac-network-player-raspberry-pi-20-dac-sabre-p-10369.html
http://www.audiophonics.fr/13713-thickbox_default/audiophonics-raspdac-network-player-raspberry-pi-20-dac-sabre.jpg
http://www.audiophonics.fr/13707-large_default/audiophonics-raspdac-network-player-raspberry-pi-20-dac-sabre.jpg
Thanks for info Rubert, looks very nice together with tha matching linear power supply, pity no headphone output.
www.amazon.co.uk/Ex-Pro®-Socket-Connection-Professional-Stereo/dp/B004XU9C9S/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1444732214&sr=8-7&keywords=headphone+socket+to+rca
www.amazon.co.uk/Ex-Pro®-Socket-Connection-Professional-Stereo/dp/B004XU9C9S/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1444732214&sr=8-7&keywords=headphone+socket+to+rca
Cheers Grant, are you saying that this cable will give a suitable output for headphones from the rca sockets?
Dunno lol but you could connect them. .might need to attenuate it..... Thought they did a version with a headphone socket? I guess you could usevthe software vc as an attenuator
I think what looks like a headphone socket on some versions is actualy a 5v power input. I suppose if I went the sabre route I could always treat myself to a headphone amp :)
Sure i read somewhere that a loptop headphone socket can op up to 1.5v depending on the impedance of the phones so its not goona be right at 2v. The older iqdac can put out less and may be able to be set up properly. A small headamp like the little battery ones might do the job while keeping the whole affair simple n cheap
I think what looks like a headphone socket on some versions is actualy a 5v power input. I suppose if I went the sabre route I could always treat myself to a headphone amp :)
Yep, it is a 5v input to power the DAC and the Raspberry. There is no headphone jack on this device. It is a pure streamer / DAC which needs to be connected to a attenuator (passive pre) or a normal pre amp. I use mine with a "passive pre", i.e. just a volume pot.
Yep, it is a 5v input to power the DAC and the Raspberry. There is no headphone jack on this device. It is a pure streamer / DAC which needs to be connected to a attenuator (passive pre) or a normal pre amp. I use mine with a "passive pre", i.e. just a volume pot.
I take it that volumio can't operate as a software volume control on the sabre chip - am i correct?
Forgive me for being a bit dense , i just want it clarified before i buy one as my French is hopeless so reading the Audiophonics site don't help much, neither did a google translate.
T'would be a shame to include a pot in the line as I currently use Jrivers vol control direct to power amp with pretty decent results
Just a quick update ... I bought a second hand 5v/2A industrial power supply (https://www.galco.com/buy/International-Power/IHTAA-16W). It is now feeding the Raspberry and the DAC board to good effect in that the sound seems to be more detailed and airy. I was sceptical but it does seem that a good PSU can help the SQ. Next, I'm going to try the one on the right (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hifi-linear-power-DC-1-USB-amp-DAC-external-power-supply-with-digital-display-1510/1720450749.html).
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I take it that volumio can't operate as a software volume control on the sabre chip - am i correct?
T'would be a shame to include a pot in the line as I currently use Jrivers vol control direct to power amp with pretty decent results
Yep, that seems to be the case. Using the Volumio web app on my iPhone, I cannot change the volume from within the web page.
Whereas when using the Volumio "Airplay" speaker on my iPhone I can use the phone volume controls. Same goes from my Mac when using Airplay. But I only use the software volume control as a convenience. For hi res replay, I push the volume to max on the phone and use a manual attenuator to adjust the volume.
Greetings
Ru
Yep, that seems to be the case. Using the Volumio web app on my iPhone, I cannot change the volume from within the web page.
Whereas when using the Volumio "Airplay" speaker on my iPhone I can use the phone volume controls. Same goes from my Mac when using Airplay. But I only use the software volume control as a convenience. For hi res replay, I push the volume to max on the phone and use a manual attenuator to change adjust the volume.
Greetings
Ru
Thanks Ru, damn shame I missed that passive that Marco just sold.
Anyone got a stepped attenuator Tisbury passive sitting in a drawer that they would like to part with for a fair price?
There are settings on volumio accessible by a keyboard and an hdmi cable into your tv.
There are settings on volumio accessible by a keyboard and an hdmi cable into your tv.
Thanks Grant.
I'd love to know for sure before I blow my speakers and /or amp, but I seem to recall from reading somewhere that the sabre can't be controlled by a software volume option, can't remember where though, just searched my history and that didn't help either .I'll have to do some more research.
Wish it had a headphone out so I could just risk my Grados as i don't really use them
Have you tried Moode, or one of the others like rune.....I prefer moode on both IQ and sabre dacs. its also more stable and easier to control. also get album art easily now
Thanks Ru, damn shame I missed that passive that Marco just sold.
Anyone got a stepped attenuator Tisbury passive sitting in a drawer that they would like to part with for a fair price?
:eek:
I stumbled across this item which has a headphone jack a Sabre chip and a volume pot .. all not too expensive..
http://hifimediy.com/DACs/spdif-dac-230V
15502
15501
Have you tried Moode, or one of the others like rune.....I prefer moode on both IQ and sabre dacs. its also more stable and easier to control. also get album art easily now
Haven't tried any as yet, I'm still trying to get my head round it all before i go shelling out, but I do like the look of Moode and it does seem more stable than volumio.
Have you tried Moode, or one of the others like rune.....I prefer moode on both IQ and sabre dacs. its also more stable and easier to control. also get album art easily now
Very tempting... will give it a go.. and report back.. thank's for the tip.
Greetins
ru
:eek:
I stumbled across this item which has a headphone jack and a Sabre chip and a volume pot .. all not too expensive..
http://hifimediy.com/DACs/spdif-dac-230V
Thanks for that Ru hadn't seen that one, although I have had a few bits from the Hifimediy stable they've all been good value and pretty decent performance wise, I'm just hoping someone will part with a Tisbury for around the same price
Maybe someone has a Stereocoffe LDR for sale ? :eek:
I find it is very transparent and works well directly connected to the DAC.
Maybe someone has a Stereocoffe LDR for sale ? :eek:
I find it lets absolutely everything through to the amp.
I'm not that lucky unfortunately
but you have a nice dog :)
btw. the StereoCoffee is not that expensive.. you just have to put it together and find a 12v ps
but you have a nice dog :)
Unfortunately he's getting on a bit now but he's still ok as a taxi for Bob the parrot
but you have a nice dog :)
btw. the StereoCoffee is not that expensive.. you just have to put it together and find a 12v ps
The "put it together " bit is the problem as I'm hopeless with tech
but you have a nice dog :)
btw. the StereoCoffee is not that expensive.. you just have to put it together and find a 12v ps
Just been to Ebay and they are well within my budget' I'll stick an ad on here and see what turns up
I always thought they cost mega bucks, cheers for the heads up
cool ! Chris the designer is on this forum and a very helpful person.
greets
ru
What's his name ?
The dog is Stig - named after my favorite childhood book "Stig of the dump"
pitadavespa
05-11-2015, 17:26
Hi,
Does anyone confirm these are the same (except the RCA plugs)?
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-raspberry-pi-a-b-i2s-p-9341.html
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/I2S-HiFi-DAC-ES9023-Expansion-Board-Decode-Board-Encoder-for-Raspberry-pi-B-/181694631154?hash=item2a4dd80cf2&clk_rvr_id=923702173706&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true
Thanks,
Luis
Hi,
Does anyone confirm these are the same (except the RCA plugs)?
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-raspberry-pi-a-b-i2s-p-9341.html
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/I2S-HiFi-DAC-ES9023-Expansion-Board-Decode-Board-Encoder-for-Raspberry-pi-B-/181694631154?hash=item2a4dd80cf2&clk_rvr_id=923702173706&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true
Thanks,
Luis
I bought the eBay one direct from China from the same seller and as far as I can see it looks identical (bar the RCAs) It fitted perfectly and was recognised as the Sabre DAC by my Pi and plays toons to the standard I'm used to with the IQaudio DAC
pitadavespa
05-11-2015, 17:51
I bought the eBay one direct from China from the same seller and as far as I can see it looks identical (bar the RCAs) It fitted perfectly and was recognised as the Sabre DAC by my Pi and plays toons to the standard I'm used to with the IQaudio DAC
Hi,
Good to know.
Are you using MoOde?
Can you control volume?
Thanks,
Luis
By the way: the headphone out sound quality is really bad, mainly when reading music files (flac) from an usb disk. Not too bad when listening to webradio, what is weird...
Do you guys have this opinion also?
Hi,
Are you using MoOde?
Can you control volume?
I did use Moode but couldn't find the volume control that I use with the IQaudio. My other problem was that the Sabre chip doesn't support DSD which I was trying out at the time so I swapped back for the IQaudio board which does.
Since then changes to my main set up mean I rarely use the Pi at all and have it working as a radio streamer in another room for the odd occasion I'm in there.
TimCurtis
06-11-2015, 02:00
I did use Moode but couldn't find the volume control that I use with the IQaudio. My other problem was that the Sabre chip doesn't support DSD which I was trying out at the time so I swapped back for the IQaudio board which does.
Since then changes to my main set up mean I rarely use the Pi at all and have it working as a radio streamer in another room for the odd occasion I'm in there.
Hi,
The Audiophonics I-Sabre ES9023 DAC like many other DAC's does not incorporate a hardware volume controller. In this case select "Software" volume control in Moode MPD config. MPD's software volume control algorithm is high quality 32 bit float with dither :-)
With regard to DSD support, Audiophonics ES9023 and IQaudIO PCM5122 based DAC do not support native 1-bit DSD stream or DSD over PCM (DoP). They require the DSD source to be converted on-the-fly to PCM before sending to the DAC.
There are two easy configurations in Moode to accomplish this.
(1) In MPD config, set "DSD over PCM" to "No". This will automatically cause DSD source to be converted to PCM on-the-fly at the max sample rate that either of these DAC's support.
(2) Leave "DSD over PCM" set to "Yes" and enable SoX resampling at a rate that you prefer. Often this is the max sample rate that the DAC supports.
Regards,
Tim
Hi Tim,
Does Moode airplay use the same software volume control algorithm? I have noticed when using the volume control in ipad app's that the master volume control in alsamixer does not operate.
Barry
TimCurtis
06-11-2015, 16:01
Hi Tim,
Does Moode airplay use the same software volume control algorithm? I have noticed when using the volume control in ipad app's that the master volume control in alsamixer does not operate.
Barry
Hi Barry,
The Airplay receiver (shairport-sync) will use ALSA hardware volume if DAC has onboard hardware volume controller, otherwise it uses its own software volume control. It's completely separate from MPD Software volume controller.
The easiest way to understand it is to consider which component performs the math to create the new audio samples that reflect the requested volume adjustment:
(1) Application does the math = Software volume
(2) Audio device does the math = Hardware volume
(3) Can also be both of the above!
When adjusting the volume knob in Moode:
(1) If MPD = Software volume then MPD is doing the math on the audio samples and then just shipping them to ALSA for output. Note that ALSA will additionally (#3 above) perform its own volume math if the audio device has an onboard volume controller, unless in this case ALSA volume is set to 100% (0dB). When at 0dB (no attenuation) the samples are left untouched.
(2) If MPD = Hardware volume then MPD sends a volume % to ALSA which maps this into a corresponding value within the audio devices hardware volume range, then sends this to the audio devices onboard hardware volume controller which performs the math on the samples.
If Airplay used on client to redirect audio to Airplay receiver in Moode:
The client application sends a volume value (-144 = mute, -30 -- 0 is range) to the Airplay receiver. If audio device has hardware volume controller then similar to # (2) above, otherwise the Airplay receiver performs the math using its own 32 bit w/dither software volume algorithm.
Volume is one of the most confusing aspects of computer audio because there are almost always multiple volume controls in the audio pipeline and sometimes a mix of software and hardware controllers.
Regards,
Tim
Thanks Tim, it appears that the ipeng and Radio Paradise app's from my ipad are using hardware volume control but the spotify app does not.
TimCurtis
09-11-2015, 23:41
Thanks Tim, it appears that the ipeng and Radio Paradise app's from my ipad are using hardware volume control but the spotify app does not.
Hi Barry,
Interesting. The Spotify app must be doing its own volume control and bypassing IOS system Airplay.
Regards,
Tim
Hi Barry,
Interesting. The Spotify app must be doing its own volume control and bypassing IOS system Airplay.
Regards,
Tim
My mistake, Spotify is now working the same as the other app's.
Audiophonics have now release a kit that allows you to add a case with external display and on/off switch to an existing Raspberry Pi + I-Sabre DAC (http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/diy-dac/audiophonics-raspdac-kit-diy-network-player-for-raspberry-pi-20-dac-p-10511.html):
http://www.audiophonics.fr/14432-large_default/audiophonics-raspdac-kit-diy-network-player-for-raspberry-pi-20-dac.jpg
http://www.audiophonics.fr/14442-thickbox_default/audiophonics-raspdac-kit-diy-network-player-for-raspberry-pi-20-dac.jpg
This is in addition to two other options (previously described in this thread by r100 (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?39055-New-DAC-board-for-my-Pi-Audiophonics-I-Sabre-DAC-ES9023&p=692632#post692632)):
Above kit with a Pi and DAC (http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/diy-dac/audiophonics-raspdac-kit-diy-network-player-raspberry-pi-20-dac-sabre-p-10384.html)
Above kit with Pi and DAC assembled (http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/appareils-hifi-dac/audiophonics-raspdac-network-player-raspberry-pi-20-dac-sabre-p-10369.html)
was looking at those a few days ago Rob funnily enough. not sure how the on/off works unless you have to power off electronically first.. A nice finished item and they do the linear psu for it as well, but at a price
Grant,
I ordered one of the kits with Pi and DAC board yesterday.
I love my existing unit, but the nicely package option is very appealing. I was tempted to get the partial kit, but it doesn't match my existing DAC board (which has the RCA out the side) and I thought it would be easier to pass on the current unit whole rather than sans Pi board. Actually, the most likely outcome is that I will keep the two sabre DAC units (the one that started this thread, and the one ordered yesterday) and get rid of my original IOaudIO unit.
I m tempted too rob but already have 2 boxed units... Let me know how it goes... Im still awaiting my psu...thats 3 weeks now
pas de points pour la rapidité de livraison
Take it thats something derisory re delivery speed... you'd be right too... :D
Bourneendboy
26-11-2015, 13:32
I currently using my Pi with an HRT Music Streamer lll. I did have this DAC very briefly, not sure why I passed it on actually. Just rethinking this again and would be interested to what level users put them at - is it likely to be an improvement over the HRT?
I currently using my Pi with an HRT Music Streamer lll. I did have this DAC very briefly, not sure why I passed it on actually. Just rethinking this again and would be interested to what level users put them at - is it likely to be an improvement over the HRT?
Ive got a streamer 2 and would reckon the pi dacs are better and tidier for that matter. Think as in all things the less cables you use the better. Ive got the sabre sightly ahead of the iq one.both good though..
pas de points pour la rapidité de livraison
Came today Rob. Into the system running the pi..(there is a pic in my blog thread). It was worth the wait..looks good and improved the pi sound a fair bit.
That's great news Grant.
It looks like my stuff has been dispatch.
Perhaps they've improved their delivery times.
Guys, what's the difference between these 2?
a) http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s-p-9341.html
b) http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-tcxo-raspberry-pi-a-b-20-i2s-p-10296.html
And can I buy a regular case for this or does it have to be the one from Audiophonics because of size/height?
Second one has the tcxo clock. Most high boxes will fit. Some of the thinner ones dont take a dac i think. You sometimes need to drill a bit depending. My wooden one had to have holes drilled for the rcas.
Thanks, moving slowly ehehe :)
Regarding the wifi adapter, as I've been reading some comments regarding their problems setting up the wifi with some adapters, is there any recommended mode in "nano" disguise that works without issues with Moode release?
I used this one for a few months now - worked a treat from day one in Volumio and Moode:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINI-WIFI-USB-WIRELESS-ADAPTER-DONGLE-150MBPS-LAN-NETWORK-RASPBERRY-PI-2-RT5370-/231483794170?hash=item35e58262fa
Thanks, ordered one from another location.
edit: wonder if the Sabre Dac will fit in this case, excepting the drilling part:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-Aluminum-Alloy-Protective-Case-with-Cooling-Fan-for-Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-/311390957959?hash=item488058f187:g:kOYAAOSwv0tVaSt h
Also found this one already dac ready and cheap!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Special-Acrylic-Case-for-Raspberry-Pi-2-B-B-I2S-HIFI-DAC-Sound-Card-Black-/391330119351?hash=item5b1d17beb7:g:aXwAAOSwys5WWBr S
There's a new Audiophonics V3 Sabre DAC with power management and some nice parts and a dedicated clock. As I understand, the power managment lets the system (Pi included) gracefully shut down when the power switch if flipped to off ... but I could be mistaken.
http://www.audiophonics.fr/fr/dac-diy/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-v3-tcxo-raspberry-pi-20-a-b-i2s-p-10657.html
http://www.audiophonics.fr/15436-thickbox_default/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-v3-tcxo-raspberry-pi-20-a-b-i2s.jpg
There's a new Audiophonics V3 Sabre DAC with power management and some nice parts and a dedicated clock. As I understand, the power managment lets the system (Pi included) gracefully shut down when the power switch if flipped to off ... but I could be mistaken.
http://www.audiophonics.fr/fr/dac-diy/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-v3-tcxo-raspberry-pi-20-a-b-i2s-p-10657.html
http://www.audiophonics.fr/15436-thickbox_default/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-v3-tcxo-raspberry-pi-20-a-b-i2s.jpg
optimized version of the U-SABRE DAC V2.0:
Advanced revision of version 2, this version includes a lot of new options: Easy assembly (no soldering required). built-in power management connector dedicated to a screen connection (HD44780) push button dedicated connector (shot) Jack DC Input on the PCB control with low noise heatsink Optimizing the integration of the converter and the circuit.
Product description:
New version of I-TCXO Sabre, its architecture is designed to allow you to have all the outputs on the same side as the Raspberry Pi is coupled to the DAC.
Connectors have been added to make the integration of the various components of a DIY drive as simple as possible.
V3.0 is now equipped with advanced power management (type ATX) to clean off the used software solution.
These functions are controlled by a PIC and allow different blackout mode as needed (software or hardware).
This converter now have new features is ideal for turning Raspberry Pi 2.0, A + or B + high definition file reader.
Equipped with the famous ES9023 SABRE, a revised scheme, and OS-CON capacitors that DAC will offer a musical, its dynamic and rich in micro detail.
For the many software solutions for audio playback on this platform, it allows a simpler implementation than ever for an incomparable result in this price range.
An aluminum housing designed to receive the PI 2, the converter and the display is available (10280 Products)
Although optimized to operate using the script available in the power management forum works by default in hardware mode without having to change the audio solution chosen.
Features: Advanced Power Management (Script volumio and tutorial on our forum) low control power supply noise allowing feeding from 6 to 9 VDC (2A) of the Food Raspberry PI via the GPIO (separately power the PI n ' is necessary). analog to digital conversion PCM (24bit / 192khz Max) analog stereo RCA output 2Vrms
Features: High Precision Clock TCXO 0.5ppm ultra low jitter Input: Raspberry PI B + A + 2.0 GPIO output: plated high quality stereo RCA Gold DC-Jack connector 5.5 / 2.1 mm: Suitable power 6V 2A (Product 10656) sampling rates supported : 24bit at 192kHz Interaxle Spacings mounting holes (HAT format): 50mm x 58mm RCA Headers: spacing 20 mm, hole diameter 12 mm Dimensions PCB: 85x56x33mm driver I2S: Hifiberry (volumio) fixed issue in volumio in bitperfect (activation control software volume as possible in the interface).
Comes with 4 nuts, 4 screws and 4 M2.5 spacers for attaching it to the PI B +, A + or 2.0 (HAT Format)
oops, yeah sorry forgot about the translation ;-)
Having the power socket where the headphone socket is on the older board makes sense as it should line up with the hole in the case they sell as part of a package. See this: http://forum.audiophonics.fr/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1549
Hi All,
Great thread !
Has anyone listened to both the Audiophonics es9023 v2 tcxo (http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-v2-tcxo-raspberry-pi-20-a-b-i2s-p-10176.html) and the Mamboberry HiFi DAC+ (192kHz/24bit) (http://www.collybia.com/product/mamboberry-hifi-dac-192khz-24bit/) ?
The Mamboberry HiFi DAC+ has an on the board linear power supply. Interested to hear how the two compare.
Thanks !
That's something I'd like to know also, wondering if the Sabre chip is the most musical for the rpi or one of the other contender would make it less "digital" and more musically refined altogether.
rikardo1979
03-04-2016, 08:39
I have just ordered AUDIOPHONICS I-Sabre V3 DAC ES9023 TCXO (http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-v2-tcxo-raspberry-pi-20-a-b-i2s-p-10657.html) with case (http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/diy-dac/audiophonics-raspdac-kit-diy-network-player-for-raspberry-pi-20-dac-p-10511.html). I have few RPis at home so did not order full kit
Will see how it works :)
rikardo1979
03-04-2016, 08:43
That's great news Grant.
It looks like my stuff has been dispatch.
Perhaps they've improved their delivery times.
so how is it? Do you still using this kit?
After being impressed by the SQ I could get from an old RPi B via USB, and then reading this thread, I took the plunge and bought an Audiophonics I-SABRE V2 (it arrived in 5 days) and a RPi 3. I wanted to see if the combination would be better than my SBT & Beresford CAIMAN II DAC set-up.
I found could use the same PiCorePlayer image I had used for the RPi B and, once I had figured out you have to select the generic I2S (which loads the hifiberry driver) and NOT the hifiberry DAC+ option from the Squeezelite drop-down menu, the set-up was easy. I let it burn-in for a few days - I did notice a difference. I then did an A-B comparison vs. the SBT/CAIMAN II. Both sets were powered by the Li-Ion batteries I already use. I used the RPi 3 built-in wireless (which works very well) and its syncs with my SBT and SB Radio very nicely (I can use the SBT screen to control the PiCorePlayer instead of the Squeezer app).
There is a lot to like out the SQ from the I-SABRE. It is detailed (sometimes hearing things I had not heard before), the imaging is very good and its gets your foot tapping. However, in the A-B comparison I could always tell I was listening to it; the sound was a bit more clinical, the bass is a bit less defined and the sound-stage not quite there. However, these are not night and day differences and, given that the RPi and I-SABRE together cost less than 25% of the SBT/CAIMAN-II, its pretty impressive.
I'd like to see if I can squeeze a bit more SQ out of it to close the gap. In the last day or two I have been experimenting with the ALSA buffer size to see if that makes a difference. So far, best results seem to be with a buffer of 500 bytes (the smallest, i.e. 500:4:: ), which seems to make it sound less clinical and make the the bass more distinct. I'd be interested if anybody else has other ALSA settings they would recommend trying.
I have 80:4:16 set for my TDA1541 but if you have SOX installed (maybe by default with sqeezelite) you can mess about with filters and oversampling. The differences between settings is quite marked IME. For instance I have this set in the command field: -r 176400 -u hMX
Details on the settings here: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/squeezelite.1.html
SOX is installed in Squeezelite in piCorePlayer by default. I have not yet tinkered with re-sampling/up-sampling or filters but will give it a go, thanks.
Do you still using this kit?
In a word: No. I have three Pi's, but they've all moved to the project bench. That's not because I don't like them, but rather because I've upgraded my DAC to an m2Tech Young (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?42349-m2Tech-Young-DAC&highlight=m2Tech+Young+DAC), and that in combination with my Marantz NA7001 is more musical than any of the Pi's.
I miss the user interface, and I always found the Pi's enjoyable to listen to, especially the Sabre based ones. It's just that the m2Tech is better. But then, so it should be. New it would have been ten times the price of a Pi combination.
My longer term plan is to connect one of them up to the m2Tech via the USB interface. That way I'll get the best of both worlds.
In summary: I thoroughly enjoyed assembling and playing with the raspberry Pi's. If the m2Tech hadn't appeared when it did, I'd most probably still be using a Pi as my primary streaming source.
Canetoad
25-04-2016, 04:40
Try running the Pi through the Caiman 2 with a Hifiberry spdif card (digi+). In my experience Pi DAC add on boards don't sound as good as this combination and I have tried the Hifiberry Dac+ and IQAudio DAC.
Try running the Pi through the Caiman 2 with a Hifiberry spdif card (digi+). In my experience Pi DAC add on boards don't sound as good as this combination and I have tried the Hifiberry Dac+ and IQAudio DAC.
Now that looks like an interesting option!
Just ordered one!
Try running the Pi through the Caiman 2 with a Hifiberry spdif card (digi+). In my experience Pi DAC add on boards don't sound as good as this combination and I have tried the Hifiberry Dac+ and IQAudio DAC.
I had thought of that option before but jumped straight to the Sabre, but I'd still like to give it a try. I like the Caiman II a lot so although the Pi/Sabre combo does sound very good, the digi+ option is worth a go.
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