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The Black Adder
09-05-2015, 12:55
The IQAudio DAC+

Just thought I'd do a simple review of this DAC for you. I've now had it in my system for a couple of days now so here is my experience so far.



Setup:

I had recieved the Pi board with the SD card and PSU before I recieved the DAC+. So after I flashed the card with the Volumio image and plugged it in.

The setup with the IP address (via Ethernet cable first) with no hassle. My Router is a cheap one too and not very highly regarded.

Once that was done I entered Volumio via my web browser. Volumio popped up fine. I then plugged my music HDD in to the Pi and off it went updating.

The Wifi connection was next. With the Ethernet still connected I plugged the dongle in to the Pi and entered the network section of Volumio. I set it up with the password etc and rebooted it. It did take a little while to see the router but it eventually did.

With the Ethernet cable now disconnected I could now control the Pi perfectly. On my Windows 7 laptop though I had to install Bonjour to get past the firewall.

When the DAC+ arrived there was only a couple of things to setup in Volumio at first. Namely setting Volumio to work with the IQAudio Dac+.



Audio quality of the IQAudio DAC+

From out of the box with the Pi the dac fitted together in the IQAudio case very well. Although there was a small snap-off tag left on the PCB which hindered the fitment to the Pi a little but it squeezed in fine. The standoffs fitted fine too and made both boards nice and rigid.

Sound wise. With an A/B comparison to a TEAC D700 (with twin TDA 1541A S1 chips) it's a much more natural sound. The image is superb with no real overly hot areas in the sound, it's very much a tamed down sort of sound that doesn't lose it's drive. A very well separated sound which is very much like vinyl.

The IQAudio Dac has a much smoother sound that gels the sound stage together very nicely. It's also much easier to hear the most minuscule of detail of the high frequency that other dacs seem to brush over. A much more refined and detailed sound.

Regarding mids. These are much smoother, less shouty and presented in the image like a perfectly finished jig-saw. With that the sound stage seems much more coherent and understandable. The stage isn't wider but much easier to see.

Now the bass. The TDA1541 DAC is a lovely dac and for bass it's one of the best even today but only if it's designed and implemented correctly. The IQAudio DAC+ presents the same weight of bass but with less flab... that might sound funny to you but it's true. It's again much more coherent and focused which makes it more tuneful and easy to follow.

In all I'm very happy with the IQAudio DAC+ and it's a keeper.



Notes to other potential converts:

This needs some quality time to set up. There are lot's of information out there to guide you through.

I used this guide: http://theaudiostandard.net/thread/1241/build-raspberry-based-audio-streamer (Thanks guys)

I was glad that I set my Pi up before the board arrived actually... it gave me some quality time to get the network sorted beforehand so I'd recommend that. Makes things much easier as impatience can get the better of some.

You will need to download Putty if your using windows.

Once you set it up there are other small tweeks to do in Volumio and in Alsamixer.

Once your set up and running you can explore better PSU's and fiddle with cables to your heart's content.

Don't rush... it's not a plug n play thing. If you get stuck then just ask for guidance. It will be worth it.

NRG
09-05-2015, 13:53
Nice write up Jo, my initial thoughts tie in nicely with yours. The balance is very even, it has great detail and insight plus Bass tunes are easier to follow vs my TDA DAC...it's a good 'un!

RichB
09-05-2015, 14:10
Thanks Jo, I'm setting mine up as I write. All helpful mate.

Getgaff
09-05-2015, 16:51
Nice write-up, thanks.

Quick tip: To avoid seting up Volumio to work with the IQAudio DAC+ simply download the image from their website:

http://www.iqaudio.com/downloads/

I didn't do this initially and couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting any sound from the DAC. But reformatting and rewriting the SD card with the IQAudio Volumio image fixed it.

337alant
09-05-2015, 18:02
Nice write up thanks I have been ignoring the RPi stuff but it sounds like time I got interested in it :eyebrows:

What Dac chip is in the IQAudio?

Anyone have any opinion on the Audiophonics PI + Saber Dac
http://www.audiophonics.fr/en/kits-modules-diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9023-raspberry-pi-a-b-i2s-p-9341.html

Alan

The Black Adder
10-05-2015, 14:11
Thanks guys.

No idea what dac chip is in it... very happy with it though.

NRG
10-05-2015, 14:40
DAC Chip: PCM5122

The Black Adder
13-05-2015, 09:17
Cool. :)

Still very happy with the PiIQDac combo... :)

I am finding however that the volume is best around 90-95 when fed in to my pre. With the volume around 86 there simply isn't enough drive it seems. Not tried it direct in to the amp yet, so that could be interesting.

As for resampling I've had a very good play with the settings and I'm inclined to say that the sound is best (most natural) with the resampling turned off and the rate converter set to 'best'.

From experience, does anyone have any other tweaks I could try? Is there anything else in alsamixer I wonder?

NRG
13-05-2015, 09:38
If resampling is off then the rate converter would have no effect? :scratch:

The Black Adder
13-05-2015, 09:44
yeah, I just left if on that.

guyhayton
13-05-2015, 19:29
I'm very pleased with my PI2 and IQAudio DAC+.... put it all together last night and did some quick listening and I was impressed.

I opted for the RuneAudio solution - but just spent the last hour reconfiguring it to get the hardware volume control working. Now it was a huge surprise (and initial shock) to see that the volume control is now logarithmic in its use. So 99% is really loud and 70% quiet and 50% might as well be mute.

Going to listen to some tunes tonight with a glass of Pinot Noir (or two)

Glad you're having a good experience as well

Krisbee
15-05-2015, 16:40
There was a discussion about volume control in the rune audio forums "Volume control; Linear or logarithmic?" , see:

http://www.runeaudio.com/forum/volume-control-linear-or-logarithmic-t254.html

Someone claimed to have found a best fit curve from data put into Excel, integer=rounddown(120*log(volume)+15). Gordon of IQaudio got involved.

The Black Adder
15-05-2015, 17:32
Thanks Chris... that's cool but I simply don't understand that at the moment.. lol

Could you explain that a little?

The Black Adder
16-05-2015, 10:33
!!!FOOOOKIN' NORAH BATTY'S PAJAMAS!!!


Just plugged it direct in to the amplifer.... Oh my!... Marco, you are a bloody star!!!! - I see what you mean now!

RichB
16-05-2015, 11:07
Well I spent the last day or so toying with mine and I can say with confidence that running the Pi through USB to an MF Vlink and then to my Rega DAC gives the best results by far. No messing with any settings or tweaking of volumes on the device required.

As such I'll be offering my IQ DAC and case for sale here and putting the Pi in a case in its own. Fancy one of those wooden ones actually. I just can't get away with the sound of the IQ DAC... definitely not my cup of tea.

Anyone interested in an IQ DAC and case is welcome e to PM me...

The Black Adder
16-05-2015, 11:20
Fair enough. lol

I don't mind a bit of tweaking.

You had best get it in Private Exhibitions then.

Gazjam
16-05-2015, 11:31
There was a discussion about volume control in the rune audio forums "Volume control; Linear or logarithmic?" , see:

http://www.runeaudio.com/forum/volume-control-linear-or-logarithmic-t254.html

Someone claimed to have found a best fit curve from data put into Excel, integer=rounddown(120*log(volume)+15).
Gordon of IQaudio got involved.

Ah the Rasberry Pi...plug and play computing for the Everyman. :)

Krisbee
16-05-2015, 11:41
Thanks Chris... that's cool but I simply don't understand that at the moment.. lol

Could you explain that a little?

OK, did you read the discussion in that thread? My understanding is it was started by users who were controlling their sound volume via the widget on the web interface. They found dialling it down from 100 to 50 did not halve the perceived sound volume, but reduced it to very low levels. Hence the following discussion about the nature of the volume control ( linear or logarithmic ) and how the underlying software was working and the interaction with any in-built hardware volume control that might exist on their DACs.

A fair comparison would be with controlling the volume on a HiFi amp which used a classic potentiometer. Turn the knob of your hifi volume control from maximum to halfway, and has the volume halved, or is it some other reduction in the volume that you hear?

For audio applications, logarithmic rather than linear potentiometers are preferred, as the variation in loudness as you go from a min to a max setting is closer to the way the ear behaves in its response to loudness. This diagram summarises the two scales:



http://s16.postimg.org/4xzytye39/hw3_Sf.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
imagen (http://postimage.org/)


The formula I quoted was someone's attempt to establish if the volume control dial on the web interface matched a linear or a logarithmic scale. The census seems to be be it was the latter.

The discussion then revolved around how this volume control dial on the web interface was actually linked to the MPD (Music Player Daemon) internal volume control and not the volume control that can be done via the use of either the “alsamixer” or “amixer” command line programs. There is also the added complication of what, if any, type of volume control is built into the DAC hardware, and how this can/should be harnessed in software. This is where Gordon of Iqaudio came in.

What can you take from this technical discussion? I think you have two viable options.


1. Set DAC levels using alsamixer that suit your hifi setup and disable volume control via the web interface. Then control volume via your hifi controls.

2. Set DAC levels using alsamixer that suit your hifi setup. Set volume control via the web interface to use “mixer_type” of “hardware”. Then you can either control volume via the web interface or via via your hifi controls.

If you use option 2 above, then you can calibrate the volume control on the web interface yourself. Just connect to your RPI via SSH as root, start the “alasmixer” program at the command line and watch how the levels change in the “alsamixer” display as you vary the volume dial on the web interface.

Krisbee
16-05-2015, 11:45
Well I spent the last day or so toying with mine and I can say with confidence that running the Pi through USB to an MF Vlink and then to my Rega DAC gives the best results by far. No messing with any settings or tweaking of volumes on the device required.

As such I'll be offering my IQ DAC and case for sale here and putting the Pi in a case in its own. Fancy one of those wooden ones actually. I just can't get away with the sound of the IQ DAC... definitely not my cup of tea.

Anyone interested in an IQ DAC and case is welcome e to PM me...

Maybe one of these might suit you : https://www.pi-supply.com/product/hifiberry-digi-plus-transformer-version/

RichB
16-05-2015, 11:48
Ah the Rasberry Pi...plug and play computing for the Everyman. :)

:lol:

Krisbee
16-05-2015, 11:53
Ah the Rasberry Pi...plug and play computing for the Everyman. :)

Yeah, we live in a dumbed down world were we rely on others to do the technical work. Just as you provide a service to "everyman" with your Music servers the developers of things like Volumio, RuneAudio etc. are attempting to make the RPI setup as "plug n play" as possible. But as has been said elsewhere :

"If you don't want to ( or are not prepared to...) put some effort in to learn for yourself you won't get anywhere with Raspberry Pi/i2s DAC's .. "

RichB
16-05-2015, 12:29
I'm anything but a technophobe I am a busy man and life's too short for learning a whole bunch of stuff I'm not likely to have any practical application for besides getting some tunes out of my stereo.

For anyone like me I'd say the Pi wouldn't really be a goer and they'd be better off spending their money on a new stylus or something and their time on cleaning their records.

Gazjam
16-05-2015, 12:40
Hear what your saying Chris, I think Pi's are great things, purely just because it's getting more folk (and kids) into computing.
Nowadays being at least a little savvy about these things can open new doors for you.

The Linux community guys who are developing these OS' for the Pi are doing a great job.

Gazjam
16-05-2015, 12:47
Well I spent the last day or so toying with mine and I can say with confidence that running the Pi through USB to an MF Vlink and then to my Rega DAC gives the best results by far. No messing with any settings or tweaking of volumes on the device required.

As such I'll be offering my IQ DAC and case for sale here and putting the Pi in a case in its own. Fancy one of those wooden ones actually. I just can't get away with the sound of the IQ DAC... definitely not my cup of tea.

Anyone interested in an IQ DAC and case is welcome e to PM me...

Got me curious Rich...
Didn't try USB out of the Pi into my own Dac.
Worth a punt just for fun. :)

mikmas
16-05-2015, 18:13
Interesting take on this little bleeder....

As a side note I was initially sceptical about the 'revolutionary' claims made about the Pi/IQ DAC combo and envisaged endless hours of tweaking and fussing as well as days wasted reading screeds of tedious geek forum threads before achieving any notion of audio nirvana...

As it was I took the punt, bought the gear, wanged it in a box and plugged it in straight after doing the mumbo-jumbo incantations to get the OS onto a card.

Result - absolutely stellar sound coming from my speakers ... with no tweaking to speak of bar setting an onscreen dial to the best volume setting !!!!!

The beast gets my seal of approval without a moments hesitation

mikmas
16-05-2015, 19:12
Yeah, we live in a dumbed down world were we rely on others to do the technical work. [/I]

So we should all learn how to smelt iron before we use a spoon?

SantanaCorreia
17-06-2018, 11:35
Dear friends,

Does anyone know if the Iqaudio dac plus can be connected to a power supply?

Thank you.

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