View Full Version : Thick stone floor - Would I benefit much from a wall shelf for my GOrbe TT?
I'll be rejigging my rack (oo-er!) to accomodate a new amp at a later date, so got thinking about a wall shelf for my turntable...
Couple of proviso's though, and wanted to see what you guys thought. :)
Currently the deck sits on a Stands Unique rack, with Sound Damped Steel isofeet under each foor and the motor unit.
I've a solid stone floor.
No footfall iusues with the deck, could probably jump up and down beside it and have no effect.
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq61/gazjamster/b34102b24caf91f08c5ca7e6334c0b2e.jpg (http://s434.photobucket.com/user/gazjamster/media/b34102b24caf91f08c5ca7e6334c0b2e.jpg.html)
Would I benefit from a wall shelf you think, given my stone floor and the effective SDS Isofeet under my deck?
The other thing is thad due to lack of wall space I'd want the deck to sit pretty much where it is just now, just on a wall shelf.
I have about 5 inches of space between the top of the turntable and the bottom of the telly. (see pic)
Obviously this is as high as it can go.
So a tight space to fit a shelf, but only if I would get a lot of benefit from it, if that makes sense?
If so would need to be a low profile shelf that could "snick" in below the telly and the top of the rack.
Seen one that might fit the bill, well thought of too?
http://www.turntableworld.co.uk/analogue-c49/accessory-zone-c13/support-products-c27/wall-mounts-c40/hdw-quality-single-shelf-wall-bracket-p156
Appreciate any thoughts, thanks.
I think a stone floor will have more mass than a wall so would be the better resistant to vibration. So stay as you are.
Whole setup looks amazing btw. I've heard those Edingdales they are something else. Beautiful finish on them too.
Only possible advantage would be if you get any affects if you touch the table transferring to the deck. I get some with mine with a concrete floor and have conidered the same. I actually have a shelf that I could fit; its very similar to that one actually. Footfall wise I'd say little to be gained , so it would only be if you have a problem with touching the table when playing anything.
What an interesting question; with such a solid floor you ought to be immune from feedback, at even the smallest level. But with audio you never quite know. A nice solid wallshelf might still sound better, but you can only find out by erecting one. Which would be a real hassle.
So, depends how nosy you are. I'd not bother, but I'd always be wondering....
Gary, a long time ago l had a full Orbe, that sat on a Seimic Sink and sounded pretty darn good, then moved it to a wall shelf and got a dramatic increase in sound quality. ( The room/floor at the time was a nightmare!) l would say go for it.:)
Cheers guys. :)
@Andy,
What kind of floor did you have in your room with the Orbe?
Cheers guys. :)
@Andy,
What kind of floor did you have in your room with the Orbe?
A floor from hell Gary!
It was a suspended timber floor Gary.
if you wish to try b4 u buy you can borrow my one...
walpurgis
03-05-2015, 22:41
I've been using a wall shelf for many years. Two big beefy steel brackets from Wickes building supplies and an offcut of 27mm MDF. Works a treat. No going back! :)
With your floor and the beautiful aesthetic of your room I wouldn't bother.
orbscure
04-05-2015, 07:15
With your floor and the beautiful aesthetic of your room I wouldn't bother.
+1... Same here Gaz... I have a single piece MDF floor in my listening room and any heavy movement causes my deck to skip, so I'd murder to have something as firm as you have... so if yours ain't broke, don't fix it and spend the money on something nice and shiny :)
Feel a pattern emerging...
Read up a bit more elsewhere online and stone floor seems to be a "good thing", wall shelves more to alleviate problems from suspended floors etc.
Hmnn..reckon I've maybe crossed another thing off my OCD list. :)
Thanks guys for your input, really helpful.
The Black Adder
04-05-2015, 09:26
A dedicated stand might be a good idea
What's the wall made of?
You won't be getting anything coming up from the floor at the moment but those great big glass shelves in your rack could be picking up airborne feedback, which a much smaller wall shelf is less likely to do. If the wall is solid, go for it. If it's a stud wall, the wall itself will pick up acoustic energy and feed it into the shelf, whicjh would probably be worse than what you have now.
A dedicated stand might be a good idea
Good thinking...
Every little helps ( in isolation terms) with a Gyrodec, Orbe Gorbe etc.:eek:
its a concrete wall.
Yeah...suspended decks benefit the most I guess.
Not sure if airborne vibrations into the rack might be a massive issue?
Have this stuff under the deck...
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As always though, with audio you never can tell.
Me old Mucker Brian was over for a visit today to hear the new preamp and a catchup, and we were playing some vinyl.
We didn't hear anything of concern a wall shelf might fix, scale, depth, impact, emotion and boogie all there in spades.
I'll be leaving the wall shelf, the decks doing the business as is.
Less hassle as is and looks better in the room too. :D
Thanks guys for the feedback.
brian2957
05-05-2015, 16:27
Aye the system was sounding very good today mate. If I were you I would leave well alone :)
Clive197
06-05-2015, 08:21
Me old Mucker Brian was over for a visit today to hear the new preamp and a catchup, and we were playing some vinyl.
We didn't hear anything of concern a wall shelf might fix, scale, depth, impact, emotion and boogie all there in spades.
I'll be leaving the wall shelf, the decks doing the business as is.
Less hassle as is and looks better in the room too. :D
Thanks guys for the feedback.
Hence the old adage "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
awkwardbydesign
06-05-2015, 08:48
When I saw the demo of Sound Steel products at Scalford last year, he used an accelerometer phone app to demonstrate the effectiveness of his isolation. Something like this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.a10&hl=en I can't remember which one I have (my phone isn't to hand at the moment), but sensitivity is adjustable. Load one, place your phone on the table and try jumping up and down with the stylus on a record. Obviously not jumping ON the record! :D Then try the same with music playing loud, and place it on the deck and knock the table, etc, etc.
Costs nothing and is fun to watch all the wiggly lines. You may be able to hold or tape your phone against the wall and try that.
When I saw the demo of Sound Steel products at Scalford last year, he used an accelerometer phone app to demonstrate the effectiveness of his isolation. Something like this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.a10&hl=en I can't remember which one I have (my phone isn't to hand at the moment), but sensitivity is adjustable. Load one, place your phone on the table and try jumping up and down with the stylus on a record. Obviously not jumping ON the record! :D Then try the same with music playing loud, and place it on the deck and knock the table, etc, etc.
Costs nothing and is fun to watch all the wiggly lines. You may be able to hold or tape your phone against the wall and try that.
That's brilliant. And should worry some leading turntable companies. Too often, isolation is just something to which they pay lip service. Reviewers should use this app too, but they won't because the results would be too revealing.
I'd love to see the results for, say, Rega and Linn. Then we'd see whether sprung isolation is worthwhile or not. In fact I'm going to get this app and try it on a range of decks.
awkwardbydesign
06-05-2015, 20:50
Just bear in mind that these apps aren't very sensitve. Or very accurate. But (like cheap test meters) they ARE good at comparing like with like, so if one measures better than another, it probably IS better. If you had a signal generator (or app) you could find out at which frequencies there is any resonance. Hours of fun!
And good reviews (HiFi News used to be good at this when I used to read it) do measure these things.
VesaLato
07-05-2015, 15:27
Hi Gary, whatever you do, do nothing ;-) your set looks amazing as it is :-D
awkwardbydesign
07-05-2015, 17:11
Hi Gary, whatever you do, do nothing ;-) your set looks amazing as it is :-D
Ah, but looks aren't everything. :D
Ah, but looks aren't everything. :D
Heh. :)
Ah, but looks aren't everything. :D
Gary could do with buying a decent T/T for a start.:rolleyes::D
I'll dig out the old Dual 505 from the cupboard... :)
I'll dig out the old Dual 505 from the cupboard... :)
:)
Actually Andy,
Been meaning to pull on your coat about the Pedersen armboard mod?
Currently have the Michell decoupling kit on my deck, room for improvement courtesy of Mr P's mod?
Actually Andy,
Been meaning to pull on your coat about the Pedersen armboard mod?
Currently have the Michell decoupling kit on my deck, room for improvement courtesy of Mr P's mod?
Gary, just two words; BUY ONE
Then thank me later.:lol:, seriously it is a great mod for relative buttons, bringing improvements across the board, a no brainer in fact.:)
Does it come in black? ;)
Does it come in black? ;)
:lol: Transparent as far as l know- it will look cool on your Gorbe.:yesbruv:
Rush2112
12-05-2015, 20:18
Well I had my PT Anniversary on a isolation platform on the main rack for years and no urge to do more. Then I changed how I housed the main kit and decided a wall shelf might be the answer for the turntable and the difference was not subtle, greater focus bass extension and clarity so for me the answer is a resounding YES !
Well I had my PT Anniversary on a isolation platform on the main rack for years and no urge to do more. Then I changed how I housed the main kit and decided a wall shelf might be the answer for the turntable and the difference was not subtle, greater focus bass extension and clarity so for me the answer is a resounding YES !
And that's with an Anniversary, one of the best sprung decks ever made, with unusually high resistance to vibration. I have yet to come across a deck (below stuff like a Rockport) which did not audibly benefit from good isolation. You can't have too much of it. Doesn't have to cost a lot either.
And that's with an Anniversary, one of the best sprung decks ever made, with unusually high resistance to vibration. I have yet to come across a deck (below stuff like a Rockport) which did not audibly benefit from good isolation. You can't have too much of it. Doesn't have to cost a lot either.
X2 What a T/T that is.:youtheman::youtheman:
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