HMV Turntable wont auto return / switch off

[Oddball]

Hi Peeps ,
Have been fettling an old HMV 8000 Turntable (BSR/ADC type) of late , that came with some stack separates from an 8000 system.
Its had a few problems , the arm was out of its gimbal ,and the cueing platform pin was seized , but now apart from the addition of some Plasticine to weigh the plinth , it works tidy.
Sounds ok ,I am surprised :)
Or so I thought .
She does not return the arm to rest as the stylus enters the run -out point ,and in fact wont ,even if you leave it for a long time !
But if you cue up and push the arm towards the label ,in fact half way across the label , it does !

My brain tells me the ic ?? for the activation of shut off ,is ok , but the setting is wrong .
I have a manual but it says nothing about this at all , and having removed the base again , I can see the rod that acts on the switch , but can see no method of adjustment !!
(Will take a few pictures of the mechanism when I have a second )
Any bright ideas ?
:scratch:

[Oddball]

Thought I'd keep you posted . The silence was deafening , however , my lack of info didn't help !!

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Heres the underside of the TT.
You can just make out the nut with the head connection wires passing through on the right hand side . The rod that attaches to it goes to the turntable centre.

I expected to find a switch in there , but having removed the platter ,found a pawl system (Suprise surprise :doh:)

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The rod underneath moves across as the arm progresses left.
I had twigged it was not adjusted right and lo and behold , a plastic screw head nut at the arm connecting base . Tweaked her a bit and away to go

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Here she is ,
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Can anyone tell me a bit more about the dustracker I was given with the whole kit ??

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It looks a bit of a thing , I was unsure on the straight down attitude of the brush , but I really really like it . It seems to get a lot of dust up out of the grooves as it works !!!

The whole set up me back £65 but I am very chuffed .
Not your average quality stuff most of you peeps are used to ,but adequate for me:eyebrows:

[prestonchipfryer]

The brush is a Watts Dust Bug. Can be quite effective at picking up the dust.

[walpurgis]

But don't use it whilst playing a record. It buggers up the sound. The fibres 'play' the groove modulations and feed the noise to the stylus through the vinyl and into the turntable via the mounting.

[Oddball]

Ha , I thought it sounded as if it was playing the grooves when I put it on !!
Cant see the point of using it on its own !!
My other dustracker lightly glides over the lp, and I always use that during playback

[walpurgis]

Ha , I thought it sounded as if it was playing the grooves when I put it on !!
Cant see the point of using it on its own !!
My other dustracker lightly glides over the lp, and I always use that during playback

Absolutely. If you put a tracking dust arm on the record without putting the cartridge onto the record and listen very closely you can hear the flippin things playing music!

Always had serious doubts about the cartridges with little brushes on too.

[Oddball]

I know now why the auto return was out .
When I had the whole setup ,I only bought it for the amp/tuner and cassette player , cabinet ,no speakers and the TT was just part of the whole lot.
It didn't work right when I first played it , in fact when I made it 'Cut' it didn't raise the arm but simply scratched across my copy of Solar Fire by Mannfred Manns Earth Band.
The lift pin on the cueing platform was seized in!!:(
I rckon the oppo who used it had set the auto return so it wouldn't ,and just used it manually.
I like things that work properly

[StanleyB]

I recognize the actual turntable. It was sold by Fidelity (who used to be in Acton). The TT was actually very good! I couldn't get mine to produce any feedback if I put it close to a speaker or on a wobble shelf. I only binned it after the motor started to make noise. I used to work for Fidelity by the way in their QC department. They had some good budget separates that never really sold well in the UK.

[walpurgis]

It looks as though it came out of the same factory as the ADC turntables. I believe late BSR badged TTs were pretty similar too, amongst others.

From Stan's comments, I'd suggest an occasional dab of oil with a cocktail stick onto the motor bearings. And a bit on the main bearing too, as long as it's not a sealed type. A little on the pivots and contact areas of the linkages underneath and control shafts probably won't hurt. Don't use grease though. You don't really need to lube the nylon gear & cam.

[DSJR]

The auto trip parts should be dry and free to rattle as much as possible. Don't know this unit at all otherwise.

The dust bug should be sold for megabucks on fleabay, as the far better Bib 'Groov-Kleen' seems to... use a carbon fibre brush lightly on a spinning record before playing is my recommendation.

[Oddball]

I recognize the actual turntable. It was sold by Fidelity (who used to be in Acton). The TT was actually very good! I couldn't get mine to produce any feedback if I put it close to a speaker or on a wobble shelf. I only binned it after the motor started to make noise. I used to work for Fidelity by the way in their QC department. They had some good budget separates that never really sold well in the UK.

Hi Stanley . Interesting stuff !!
I only bought the stack ,because it was one I passed by when I was 17 . I remember Rumbelows in Whitchurch sold HMV stuff , and knew it was Made in England , but I plumped for the Triumph stack sold by Currys and which was Japanese made (mainly Hitachi) . So now instead of renewing my amp and going more modern ,I have purchased a stack of the same vintage , and because I liked the look of it too :mental: (77-78) There wern,t any decent separates shops anywhere that I knew of then , and I was not clever enough to realise that was the way to go.
I recall Fidelity stuff about that time , I must google it :)

Edit - I did - found this -(I have no affiliation to this by the way ) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-FIDELITY-SYSTEM-5-50D-AUTOMATIC-CRO2-DOLBY-STEREO-/221736681167?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a0893ecf
It has the same tone arm as the HMV

[Beobloke]

Edit - I did - found this -(I have no affiliation to this by the way ) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-FIDELITY-SYSTEM-5-50D-AUTOMATIC-CRO2-DOLBY-STEREO-/221736681167?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a0893ecf
It has the same tone arm as the HMV

It doesn't - the one on the Fidelity music centre is much shorter, believe me!