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Unbeliveable but true:
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-32052736
Just shows how utterly stupid the BBc management are. Obviously never spent a day in the real world. Sacking their best earner? What exactly was going through their micro-brains when they decided that?
No doubt they think they can install some politically correct non-entity into the Top Gear job and carry on as before. Well they will soon find out that won't work. Meantime Clarkson will just sod off to Sky and do his show there instead.
At any normal Corporation the shareholders would have these idiot executives sacked for damaging the profitability of the company but of course that won't happen at the la la land BBC, instead it will be pay rises and trebles all round.
Pricks.
Unbeliveable but true:
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-32052736
Just shows how utterly stupid the BBc management are. Obviously never spent a day in the real world. Sacking their best earner? What exactly was going through their micro-brains when they decided that?
No doubt they think they can install some politically correct non-entity into the Top Gear job and carry on as before. Well they will soon find out that won't work. Meantime Clarkson will just sod off to Sky and do his show there instead.
At any normal Corporation the shareholders would have these idiot executives sacked for damaging the profotability of the company but of course that won't happen at the la la land BBC, instead it will be pay rises and trebles all round.
Pricks.
Not one of his fans but its a stupid decision. typical of an organisation that gets its cash from us even if its shit. Way overdue for the license to be abandoned in this digital age
Anthony K
25-03-2015, 16:52
Likewise , I think the man is a trumped up arse , but have to agree the BBC will lose viewers for sure whereas arseus trumpetus will go to Sky or worse still the USA and make more ridiculous amounts of paper.
I stopped watching the show about 10 years ago as the average show has cars way beyond the average man's income.
The Black Adder
25-03-2015, 17:10
:ban:
YESSSS!!!
PAAARTAY!
:partytime:
Sorry but I really can't stand the man. Chances are he's been offered a better deal elsewhere, the beeb got wind of it and sacked him before his announcement to leave to save face.
I think he has to go now. His co-presenter's agents will be telling them to move on too I should imagine. He's not good publicity for them.
Anyway, it needs a female presenter in that show IMO...
I used to watch the show but over the past 5-6 years it's been becoming very same-olde *BUMP* "oh I've bumped your car".. crap.
:sofa:
Sorry chaps but I feel otherwise.
It would appear that there is no denial that he "threw a punch" and as such committed assault :punch: regardeless of earning potential for aunty Beeb that has to be contrary to his terms and conditions of employment.
If I assaulted someone at work I'd be out, no questions asked and up before the GMC.
Absolutely can't have 1 rule for the rich and famous and another for the rest of us.
Personally, I cant stand the man - I wonder how much the "victim" was paid off not to press charges? :peace:
Sure he'll be off somewhere else but IMHO the Beeb was in a no win situation and I believe chose wisely
:sofa:
Unbeliveable but true:
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-32052736
Just shows how utterly stupid the BBc management are. Obviously never spent a day in the real world. Sacking their best earner? What exactly was going through their micro-brains when they decided that?
No doubt they think they can install some politically correct non-entity into the Top Gear job and carry on as before. Well they will soon find out that won't work. Meantime Clarkson will just sod off to Sky and do his show there instead.
At any normal Corporation the shareholders would have these idiot executives sacked for damaging the profitability of the company but of course that won't happen at the la la land BBC, instead it will be pay rises and trebles all round.
Pricks.
Didn't he thump a bloke, or something, because he didn't have his lunch ready, after coming back from the pub pished? If that's true, then it's sheer thuggery (and assult), so regardless of how big an earner, or how popular Clarkson was, you can't tolerate that behaviour. Therefore he had to go. Simples.
Marco.
Technically, he's not been sacked. They just chose not to renew his contract. I think the man's an embarrassing oaf and clearly was bang out of order for physically assaulting someone and whilst half pie eyed. However, given that the producer has lodged no formal complaint (although is reportedly seeking legal advice as to what he can do next...presumably for monetary gain), the BBC have just dropped their highest grossing team, hence our licence fee will not stretch as far as it currently does and this may well be the spark needed to force the Beeb's hand and forgo this modern highway robbery. I hardly ever bother with the BBC these days anyway and consider the management overpaid far left wing politically correct fanatics with their own far from impartial agendas. They've been in breach of their own mandated code for years on being politically impartial, which they are clearly not, so are not deserving of a public funded licence fee any longer. May and Hammond I suspect will go with Clarkson to the highest bidder and simply set up top gear all over again under a different show name and tweaked show format. Sweepstake for what it will be called?
A few ideas: High Gear; Top Car; Performance Gear etc etc
I reckon it'll happen simply because Clarkson may be an oaf but he isn't stupid and knows that he, May and Hammond are a top line up and with their gelling and the right format, they'll clean up and do much better than the Beeb will without them. Licence to print money.
They may not be irreplaceable as show hosts but they are irreplaceable as three middle aged oafs who seem to gel together into a last of the sumer wine type of car show which has followers both young and old simply because they dont try to be clever or serious. It's an entertainment show and they seem to be pretty good at it.
I'll miss Top Gear but Clarkson can consider himself lucky to have got off so lightly.
Sorry chaps but I feel otherwise.
It would appear that there is no denial that he "threw a punch" and as such committed assault :punch: regardeless of earning potential for aunty Beeb that has to be contrary to his terms and conditions of employment.
If I assaulted someone at work I'd be out, no questions asked and up before the GMC.
Absolutely can't have 1 rule for the rich and famous and another for the rest of us.
Ah, you beat me to it, Stephen. Spot on! Therefore, there is nothing to debate.
Marco.
walpurgis
25-03-2015, 17:50
I'm with Martin on this.
What a stupid decision. We all know Jeremy is a lout and so what? He's a 'Golden Goose' for the Beeb. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, that's going to cost them millions. Top Gear IS Jeremy Clarkson, any version put on without him will just sink and die. I won't watch it on principle, as I like Clarkson and his unruly ways. He should go back and give the git another dig! ;) I don't give a toss what the 'prissy' and 'proper' lot think as they look down their noses at anything contentious like Top Gear.
I'm with Martin on this.
What a stupid decision. We all know Jeremy is a lout and so what?
So you let a celebrity get away with common assault? Where do you draw the line after that, Geoff? Throw a left-hook at the tea lady because she got your order wrong?
Clarkson committed a criminal act. pure and simple, and has been rightly punished for it. *That* is the key issue here, not how good/popular/valuable a commodity he was. He should be in jail, never mind anything else.
Marco.
The Black Adder
25-03-2015, 18:01
I'm with Martin on this.
What a stupid decision. We all know Jeremy is a lout and so what? He's a 'Golden Goose' for the Beeb.
Then the beeb shouldn't be so stupid as to put all their eggs with such a loose cannon...
Agreed the TG team have become a little complacent of late and the humour is a bit laboured and predictable, , but two points to raise here:
I stopped watching the show about 10 years ago as the average show has cars way beyond the average man's income.
How much of an audience do you think there is for a program about Kias and Hyundais? TG is NOT an information service, it's entertainment, and there's nothing entertaining in discussing all the cars you get stuck behind every morning on the way to work. I get a bit pissed off when they drop yet another piano on yet another Austin allegro, bit features like the BMW i8 in the last show are brilliant.
Way overdue for the license to be abandoned in this digital age
It's precisely because the BBC is funded by license fees that a program like Top Gear can exist. How long do you think they would be able to do what they do if they were funded by advertisng?
Anthony K
25-03-2015, 18:09
I believe he also made a rather insulting remark regarding the gentleman's racial background as well as the punch.
Apart from widely broadening the meaning of the word Arse and having the ability to talk fart regarding automobiles the man has no noticeable talent,
he should be damned grateful companies like the beeb are willing to throw money at him. His ego is out of hand.
Money does not buy class and his behaviour speaks volumes , maybe the BBC should be commended for sacking his mid-life crisis induced backside.
Marco -If my language ever appears too saucy for the squeamish please step in and pull me aside :rolleyes:
I believe he also made a rather insulting remark regarding the gentleman's racial background as well as the punch.
Apart from widely broadening the meaning of the word Arse and having the ability to talk fart regarding automobiles the man has no noticeable talent,
he should be damned grateful companies like the beeb are willing to throw money at him.
His ego is out of hand.
Money does not buy class and his behaviour speaks volumes , maybe the BBC should be commended for sacking his mid-life crisis induced backside.
That's it in a nutshell.
Marco -If my language ever appears too saucy for the squeamish please step in and pull me aside...
I doubt that'll be necessary ;)
Marco.
Anthony K
25-03-2015, 18:18
I said affordable , I do not like the fact that Clarkson in particular turns his nose up at anything less than verging on supercar.
BMW, Alpha Romeo , Volkswagon , Lexus , Suburu , Ford , Jagur , Vauxhall , Mercedes ( the list goes on and on ) still have models that are great and affordable. Lets face it the vast majority of this country I believe to be average. That was my reasoning for no longer tuning in.
walpurgis
25-03-2015, 18:20
So you let a celebrity get away with common assault? Marco.
Not what I said Marco. There were other sanctions that could have been used.
The true 'ins and outs' of the incident have not been publicised. Maybe the other guy was on a major piss take. Everybody has their limits.
Sorry, mate. I disagree, much as I enjoyed Clarkson's un-PC humour and outspokenness, there is no excuse for thumping someone like that, and the Beeb couldn't be seen to condone it. The bloke has no class and is way too far up his own arse for his own good.
Marco.
The Black Adder
25-03-2015, 18:37
I agree.. I wouldn't expect to keep my job if I punched someone. So why should he... because he's a darling and a friend of David Cameron? - Nah.
He should be treated the same as anyone else.
Agreed the TG team have become a little complacent of late and the humour is a bit laboured and predictable, , but two points to raise here:
How much of an audience do you think there is for a program about Kias and Hyundais? TG is NOT an information service, it's entertainment, and there's nothing entertaining in discussing all the cars you get stuck behind every morning on the way to work. I get a bit pissed off when they drop yet another piano on yet another Austin allegro, bit features like the BMW i8 in the last show are brilliant.
It's precisely because the BBC is funded by license fees that a program like Top Gear can exist. How long do you think they would be able to do what they do if they were funded by advertisng?
Well judging by the amount of money it earns them globally I don't think there would be a problem there. The Beeb act hi handedly just because they can. thats whats wrong with them. If you get pissed off with sky you can stop paying them but aunty beeb has got everyone by the balls . You are not allowed to say I dont watch your programs so why should I pay you.
He should be treated the same as anyone else.
Exactly and if the allegations are true, he should be stood in front of a Magistrate and answering to them.
Audio Al
25-03-2015, 19:52
He was on a final warning
The BBC needed to prove NO ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE BBC
I think he is a twat , but entertaining ;)
Spectral Morn
25-03-2015, 20:08
Verbal abuse and actual assault are in any organisation a sackable offence. This is what Clarkson did, so he had to go, and the BBC had the balls to do it. I hope the police also follow through.
Sadly Top Gear won't be the same without Clarkson, I like the humour and the program, the dynamic between the presenters but Clarkson had to be sacked. I guess that's the end of the program.
Regards Neil
top bloke
not to mention the life he risksthat he puts into the show (hammond crash) ?(risk assesment)
driving the worlds most dangerous roads did you see thay episode???????? (did auntie bbc do a risk assesment of course not)
half of the damn episodes would not have made it to broadcast :stalks:
just a smoke screen
for a failing organisation riddled with peadophilia
horsess and stable come to mind:scratch:
have none of you gone to work:lol: things like this happen all day everyday:eek: if ya face fits:D
prestonchipfryer
25-03-2015, 20:35
Best show on the TV now ruined by Blockhead Bloody C=nts who are way out of touch. Goodnight. I will not be posting on the AoS again.
Best show on the TV now ruined by Blockhead Bloody C=nts who are way out of touch. Goodnight. I will not be posting on the AoS again.
AoS didn't sack him.
The Black Adder
25-03-2015, 20:41
lol... bonkers! Proper surreal.
Best show on the TV now ruined by Blockhead Bloody C=nts who are way out of touch. Goodnight. I will not be posting on the AoS again.
What have you been drinking, daftee? :D
Marco.
walpurgis
25-03-2015, 20:45
Best show on the TV now ruined by Blockhead Bloody C=nts who are way out of touch. Goodnight. I will not be posting on the AoS again.
Eh? I don't get it! :scratch:
prestonchipfryer
25-03-2015, 21:42
Best show on the TV now ruined by Blockhead Bloody C=nts who are way out of touch. Goodnight. I will not be posting on the AoS again.
Apologies, I meant to say I won't post on this matter (Clarkson and the BBC) again. I know I am daft.
Audio Advent
25-03-2015, 21:49
I'm not sure, but I think the licence-fee payer's BBC has just saved themselves a load of money by not having to fork out the licence for showing Top Gear.
Top Gear is made and owned by BBC Worldwide, a completely commercial and self-supporting, profit-making company. Nothing to do with the licence-fee payer as I understand it.
walpurgis
25-03-2015, 21:52
Apologies, I meant to say I won't post on this matter (Clarkson and the BBC) again. I know I am daft.
So do we now John. ;) :)
Its all that grease he did in the 60's :eyebrows:
prestonchipfryer
25-03-2015, 21:58
So do we now John. ;) :)
:rolleyes:
Audio Advent
25-03-2015, 22:04
I think BBC Worldwide/BBC (whoever it actual is who's not renewing the contract) has shown strength by acting to protect it's staff at great financial expense!
To do otherwise, to allow bullying and potentially criminal activities to go on in the work place just because they might loose money would essentially be corrupt. Surely keeping him on would be no different to protecting presenters found guilty of sexual assault in the work place? That inner-circle protection is something that everyone has been disgusted about hasn't it? (please don't confuse sexual assault with rape or paedophilia - I'm not comparing this to those more serious crimes). Sexual assault/intimidation and violent assault/intimidation are as serious as each other in my book.
Can't believe so many people think physical assault is ok in the work place as long as it doesn't effect their viewing pleasure?? The repetitive, contrived situations and false emotion on that show surely must have worn thin on its viewers years ago?
I can picture Hammond now saying something like ".. and yet despite its flaws, there's something.... REAL about this car, something which touches the essence of you in ways no other has. And I for one am ... I'm going to miss this fella!" Taps his fist chummily on the steering wheel, feigns tears and then he zooms off with chords of ColdPlay hammering out in the background. Then you have to watch the other two do exactly the same thing with their cars. YAAAWWWNNNN !!!!!! It was the same over and over and over and over again. So much so that it's a relief to see 5th Gear or any of the other pretty mundaine car shows.
twickers
25-03-2015, 22:14
I've enjoyed it over the years but Top Gear has been pretty shite for the last few years now imo. Add to this Clarkson acting like a colossal fucking idiot (even for him), it'll be no great loss. If they keep it going, please don't get Chris Evans. :spew:
Audio Advent
25-03-2015, 22:18
I've enjoyed it over the years but Top Gear has been pretty shite for the last few years now imo. Add to this Clarkson acting like a colossal fucking idiot (even for him), it'll be no great loss. If they keep it going, please don't get Chris Evans. :spew:
Haha. +1 there.
James Martin, the chef chap from Saturday Kitchen, would be a good choice to replace Clarkson. He's a massive car fanatic and a good hoot, to boot :)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/classiccars/11330604/James-Martins-classic-obsession.html
Marco.
The Barbarian
25-03-2015, 22:42
Yeh i like James Martin seems a nice guy. You think he'll donate me that Geoffrey Baxter: Whitefriars Glassware in the Kitchen for saying that? :eyebrows:
Yeah, quality that, innit? :eyebrows:
Martin is a good Yarkshire lad. He'd sort out the resident Southern puffters... ;)
Marco.
Spectral Morn
25-03-2015, 22:48
I think BBC Worldwide/BBC (whoever it actual is who's not renewing the contract) has shown strength by acting to protect it's staff at great financial expense!
To do otherwise, to allow bullying and potentially criminal activities to go on in the work place just because they might loose money would essentially be corrupt. Surely keeping him on would be no different to protecting presenters found guilty of sexual assault in the work place? That inner-circle protection is something that everyone has been disgusted about hasn't it? (please don't confuse sexual assault with rape or paedophilia - I'm not comparing this to those more serious crimes). Sexual assault/intimidation and violent assault/intimidation are as serious as each other in my book.
Can't believe so many people think physical assault is ok in the work place as long as it doesn't effect their viewing pleasure?? The repetitive, contrived situations and false emotion on that show surely must have worn thin on its viewers years ago?
I can picture Hammond now saying something like ".. and yet despite its flaws, there's something.... REAL about this car, something which touches the essence of you in ways no other has. And I for one am ... I'm going to miss this fella!" Taps his fist chummily on the steering wheel, feigns tears and then he zooms off with chords of ColdPlay hammering out in the background. Then you have to watch the other two do exactly the same thing with their cars. YAAAWWWNNNN !!!!!! It was the same over and over and over and over again. So much so that it's a relief to see 5th Gear or any of the other pretty mundaine car shows.
+ 1
Regards Neil
ICan't believe so many people think physical assault is ok in the work place as long as it doesn't effect their viewing pleasure??
Ridiculous, isn't it? It just shows you how selfish some folk are, and that they only care about their own 'little bubble'...
Marco.
Chaps, as an HR practitioner with a decent knowledge of employment legislation I can't really see that he gave the BBC any choice by virtue of his actions. If any staff or contractor of mine, irrespective of their earnings or value to the organisation behaved in the same way, the matter would be investigated and if reasonable evidence were found they would be released.
Of course I might give them the option to resign which is what he should have done. The question now should not be who will hire him next but who out there will stoop so low as to give a man with a history of abusive behaviour and violence a job. In my profession I would be unemployable.
He'll just have to suck it up I'm afraid, being on the telly or amusing does not give him any extra rights than the rest of us. The BBC has had their fingers burnt by turning a blind eye to the behaviour of their presenters in the past. That's the times we live in guys like it or not.
RobbieGong
25-03-2015, 23:28
Unfortunately he's come across as more of a buffoon than anything else for some time now
Never had any time for him as he has no empathy for anyone bar him and his. Sure he has another job lined up; probably in the States but even if he hasn't, he wont go hungry. As someone said earlier aunty probably did it for those reasons, and this was a great excuse. The original format was more of a motoring program, and I watched it then along with the Tiff Need al one that tbh I preferred
walpurgis
26-03-2015, 00:10
I'd like to really say my bit, but I'd be giving you lot a whole load of ammo to have a go at me with. :eek:
Audio Advent
26-03-2015, 00:29
I promise not to. :)
I think he has a place on QI though - think he was entertaining (and respectable) when on there. That's non-contract work though, BBC pay his agent I think, so no reason he can't do that stuff.
Wonder if Quentin Wilson is still doing stuff on other channels? Get the man with a beard back too! I'm sure they'll keep the same Top Gear format in general, just different presenters. Who knows, they might be even better! Don't know till you try. Best not to be stuck in a rutt, ordering the same dishes from the same restaurant every single Sunday for years and years.
trio leo
26-03-2015, 00:55
Time to move on BBC, boringly repetitive, mid life crisis petrolheads that think everyone is interested in performing stupid, dangerous stunts in cars most people cannot dream of ever sitting in, we need a fresh 21st century approach to being a driver in the humdrum life most of us experience on a daily basis, I've just bought a new car and I want, economy, safety, comfort and practical day to day use of the vehicle, I accept exuberance is exciting and I would like to try some of the exotica, but the escapism has just become monotonous IMHO, Jeremy will just go to another multi milllion £ job, do I care? NO!!
cheers Al
Clarkson was a complete arse who committed common assault on a work colleague - the Beeb had no choice and there are no ifs or buts about it.
Sounds like he was looking for a way to end his contract and knew that this would do it so he can now piss off to yankland and make megabucks ... or run for PM as a UKIP candidate playing the 'misunderstood underdog victim of PC' bullshit card
Either way the mans a dick and deserves absolutely zilch sympathy
The Black Adder
26-03-2015, 06:23
I'm so surprised that Hammond and May haven't just said that they will host the show. Personally I think May is the best one out of the three. Hammond just tarts himself between between a budget factual show and a game show whilst May does more interesting stuff and of which I'd love to my kids to watch one day too. I wish I had shows like his when I was a kid.
I agree though that TG shouldn't be like it used to be... it was rather dull. And Channel Five's Fifth Gear was generally really shit...
Top Gear I think was nearing the end of it's life as a show. It was so formulaic and contrived, I just couldn't watch it. So if the decision is to end it now whilst it's on a high note is a good thing. I'm sure it will be missed by lots.
I miss Time Team but there you go so I'm sure I'm in a minority on that one.
Cars.... they are great things but put some arrogance inside one and that thing becomes not so great.
"Some say", Clarkson will be back next year most probably.
The Black Adder
26-03-2015, 06:33
I'd like to really say my bit, but I'd be giving you lot a whole load of ammo to have a go at me with. :eek:
You must admit though he has acted like an arse... He had a privileged job at the BBC, in fact... one of the most prestigious jobs in the world of TV and acting like that at his age needs to be brought in to account and acted upon.
If anything, I feel for the fans and not Clarkson. It's a long running show, lots of fans including me for a while before it all got a bit samey/silly.
I'd like to really say my bit, but I'd be giving you lot a whole load of ammo to have a go at me with. :eek:
Spit it out, Geoff. All views are welcome. We'll try to be as gentle on you as possible! ;)
If you have sympathy with Clarkson, then here's a thing.... Do you think that Eric Cantona, all those years ago, was right to karate kick the fan who abused him?
Although the situation is different, there are some parallels to be drawn, namely that, as a celebrity/public figure, when you're in a position of responsibility, no matter how irate you have become over a situation (justifiably or not), you must set a good example and be seen to be PROFESSIONAL at all times, i.e. rise above any provocation, and show restraint, dignity and class.
The problem is, Clarkson has and did none of that, and instead behaved not only like a thug, but a boorish buffoon, with an overblown ego and sense of self-worth far in excess of his talent.
The police are now looking into the report, so I hope the result is that the idiot receives a hefty fine (commensurate with his wealth), together with being given a little holiday at her Majesty's pleasure, because that's precisely what would happen to you or I, if we did to someone what he did - and he should be no different!!
:exactly:
Marco.
The fact is that the bloke who got hit did not do the job he was paid to do which was to make sure the stars had a decent meal to come back to after a day on location. Typical public-sector attitude - he couldn't be arsed to do even that simple job. Probabaly immersed in the BBC culture of doing sweet FA all day and picking up an inflated salary, paid for by me.
Then when he rightly gets a bollocking instead of accepting it, apologising and trying to do better next time he answers back and gets a smack in the mouth.
Now the fact is that in reality, rather than on the internet, if you give someone a load of verbal there is a chance, depending on the sort of person they are, that they will hit you. I think that is what has happened here.
Our society seems to have become so feminised that what was once a relatively common interaction between men with a serious disagreement has been blown up into a sacking offence. That is not a good thing.
Let's not forget that the 'victim' took it on the chin and did not complain, it was Clarkson who reported the incident.
Just imagine a world in which people who cannot be arsed to do the job they are paid for got a smack in the mouth. There would be a 100% improvement in service standards overnight.
The Black Adder
26-03-2015, 08:59
Our society seems to have become so feminised that what was once a relatively common interaction between men with a serious disagreement has been blown up into a sacking offence. That is not a good thing.
Feminised?... You mean not acting like typical neanderthals down the pub. Femininity has nothing to do with it, it's simple common sense. Violence is violence, regardless of who you are and/or how rich or well connected you are.
You need to live in the now my friend... It's not the 1970's any more.
The fact is that the bloke who got hit did not do the job he was paid to do which was to make sure the stars had a decent meal to come back to after a day on location.
Oh poor Clarksy - my heart bleeds! He should've taken a packed lunch with him then and learned to fend for himself!! ;)
Then when he rightly gets a bollocking instead of accepting it, apologising and trying to do better next time he answers back and gets a smack in the mouth.
Erm, I don't think that's quite what happened. Apparently, Clarkson subjected the guy to a torrent of invective and racial and/or homophobic abuse (I think Tymon is a Jew), and then when the guy naturally responded (probably telling him to fuck off), Clarkson thumped him, which as I alluded to earlier, has shades of Eric Cantona.
It was a complete over-reaction, as a result of what was in the real world, a triviality, and which most probably occurred for a valid reason. Perhaps the guy got caught up doing something else, or forgot, or the kitchen had run out of filet mignon?
Shit happens. No-one's perfect. Therefore, tell the guy off for not doing his job properly, in a calm way, by all means, but quite simply what Clarkson did was totally OTT, unprofessional and completely unacceptable.
If it'd been me he'd subjected to that initial torrent of abuse, I know where I'd have shoved his fucking lunch!!! The plate would've been parked sideways up his arse, and it would've been ME who was given the sack (and probably jailed), not Clarkson...!
However, when you're in the public eye and occupy a position of responsibility, you should show some class and behave accordingly. It's as simple as that. The bit in bold differentiates Clarkson from 'Joe Bloggs', who may be entitled to react differently - and *that* is the whole point!
Let's not forget that the 'victim' took it on the chin and did not complain, it was Clarkson who reported the incident.
Yeah, because when he'd calmed down, he knew that he'd behaved like an arrogant wanker, and was simply pre-empting the inevitable, before someone else reported the incident for him. Quite simply, there are already enough overrated and egotistic 'Prima Donna's' in the celebrity world, without Clarkson adding to the equation with his inexcusable thuggery.
Marco.
walpurgis
26-03-2015, 10:12
He He :lol:. I think Martin has said more or less what I'd had in mind.
There are occasions, right or wrong, when a good clump seems the immediate option (and bugger the legality).
No. I don't need a lecture, nor do I feel obliged to justify my position. Nuff said! ;)
I am not sure what the rules are about swearing on this forum, but this non-story is all over the news and now here it is all over a hifi forum when who really gives a fucking fuck about it?
I totally agree, Geoff!
*However*, if you're going to do it, then use your brains and do it in a way where you won't get caught, so that there aren't any repercussions!! ;)
Although, that doesn't really apply in these circumstances. That aside, as I've said before, the rules of acceptable behaviour are different when you're a celebrity, or simply a nobody, like you or I.
What is being missed by most folk in this matter, is that the focus of this incident should also be placed on the restraint shown by Tymon, for not knocking Clarkson out, for his initial abusive behaviour towards him, than what happened afterwards. The fact is: no-one should have to put up with that level of abuse! Oh, and whether Tymon was a 'pussy' or not, for sitting back and taking it, isn't the point.
The point is, Macca and you seem to be saying that because you're an influential celebrity, paid by taxpayers money, you're entitled to verbally and physically abuse your staff. Is that what you're saying? It seems so.......
Marco.
I am not sure what the rules are about swearing on this forum, but this non-story is all over the news and now here it is all over a hifi forum when who really gives a fucking fuck about it?
hardly all over the forum Robert. 1 thread on absract. a non story it may be to some of us but not to others.
Indeed. Off-topic (non-hi-fi or music related) stuff is what this section of the forum is for :)
Marco.
hardly all over the forum Robert. 1 thread on absract. a non story it may be to some of us but not to others.
Fair point. It's been the first story here in my tapatalk app for what seems like a week now though. [emoji12]
I'm not really that bothered by it but it is interesting that people are getting so worked up by it. I think perhaps that some people see this situation as a "political correctness gone mad" attack on "harmless banter" and as an important battle that has been lost in the manly war against the onslaught of feminism and good old British values that Clarkson embodied in his highly paid job as maverick loose cannon of the establishment.
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These things do not happen in a vacuum. One can analyse - speculate more likely - about the minute before the titanic hit the iceberg. But the tragedy (well, comedy in the present case) began long before. Clarkson has gone beyond what is legal and what is politically correct in his loudmouthing and throwing his considerable weight around. I reckon the deeper reason he has attained super-loser status is because of his history of Prima Donna histrionics. No doubt his employers will all be watching Gilbert and Sullivan and replaying the bit that says "He will not be missed".
I read today the BBC say he may well be employed again in the future lol
I reckon the deeper reason he has attained super-loser status is because of his history of Prima Donna histrionics.
Yup, "Prima Donna histrionics" neatly sums up Clarkson's behaviour. The fact that some folk seem to think he's entitled to act that way, simply because he's a famous TV celebrity, especially when it results in the physical abuse of an employee, really takes the biscuit.
Is that the kind of values we have in society now? If so, God help us! :doh:
Marco.
Yup its Gordon Ramsey syndrome. Remember him(clarkson) on who do you think you are and his Victorian anscestors being bottle magnates. He would have revelled in that position in those days.
edit remember the name now..it was the Kilners. made those jars plus pretty much everything else in glass storage..they were mega rich. had their own railway sidings and telephone communication to all their plants etc. factories everywhere and lost the lot after buying the wrong automated plant. conglomerates took over...he was sick as a proverbial parrot......as i would have been :eyebrows:
I think perhaps that some people see this situation as a "political correctness gone mad" attack on "harmless banter" and as an important battle that has been lost in the manly war against the onslaught of feminism and good old British values that Clarkson embodied in his highly paid job as maverick loose cannon of the establishment.
Well, if that's true, too bad! I'm all for waging a war against stupid political correctness (you'll scarcely meet a more non-PC person than me), but not at the expense of the right and respectful treatment of a human being.
If we condone that sort of behaviour from TV celebrities, and most importantly the BBC were being seen to do that, then what sort of signal does that send out??
As was said earlier, I think some superficial-thinking and selfish folk are more interested in the effect Clarkson's sacking has had on their viewing pleasure, than ensuring what's right and proper is done :rolleyes:
Marco.
julesd68
26-03-2015, 11:40
The fact is that the bloke who got hit did not do the job he was paid to do which was to make sure the stars had a decent meal to come back to after a day on location. Typical public-sector attitude - he couldn't be arsed to do even that simple job. Probabaly immersed in the BBC culture of doing sweet FA all day and picking up an inflated salary, paid for by me.
Then when he rightly gets a bollocking instead of accepting it, apologising and trying to do better next time he answers back and gets a smack in the mouth.
Now the fact is that in reality, rather than on the internet, if you give someone a load of verbal there is a chance, depending on the sort of person they are, that they will hit you. I think that is what has happened here.
Our society seems to have become so feminised that what was once a relatively common interaction between men with a serious disagreement has been blown up into a sacking offence. That is not a good thing.
Let's not forget that the 'victim' took it on the chin and did not complain, it was Clarkson who reported the incident.
Just imagine a world in which people who cannot be arsed to do the job they are paid for got a smack in the mouth. There would be a 100% improvement in service standards overnight.
Having worked at the BBC for a number of years, on both a staff and freelance basis I cannot let this go unanswered.
It's based on a fantasy about the BBC, lumping it in with all public services, that you imagine are run like British Rail in the 1970's, rather than the reality of working in this particular organisation.
I can tell you this - the idea of people sitting around at the BBC doing 'FA' all day could not be further from the truth. I, and virtually all my colleagues, worked my butt off day in and day out. We all did masses of overtime, which was neither recognised or paid. We all got paid a lot less than we could have done working in the private sector. The reason people do this varies from person to person - some believe in the principles of the BBC and its history in the country, others simply want the name on their CV. It doesn't really matter what the motivation is - underperformance is not an option. Most of the different working environments in the various departments of the BBC are very demanding and often fast paced - you simply will not be allowed to get away with sitting on your behind all day. More importantly, the vast majority are so professional, they would not even want to do this if they could.
I can assure you of another thing. If I hit any of the presenters I worked with for being rude to me as a director, can you imagine how quickly I would be fast-tracked out of the organisation? You cannot have a different rule for Mr Clarkson just because of the income he brings into the organisation.
Yes, I agree it is a shame that the event could not have been settled amicably between the two men. This is what I would have like to have seen happen. But yes, it was Mr Clarkson who reported the event. Don't forget the producer in question had worked effectively with Clarkson for ten years or so. Just because one meal order goes wrong, does he deserve a smack in the mouth for this? More than likely he was let down by someone more junior than him on the team - should he have gone and given them a good hiding as well?
I can assure you of another thing. If I hit any of the presenters I worked with for being rude to me as a director, can you imagine how quickly I would be fast-tracked out of the organisation? You cannot have a different rule for Mr Clarkson just because of the income he brings into the organisation.
Yes, I agree it is a shame that the event could not have been settled amicably between the two men. This is what I would have like to have seen happen. But yes, it was Mr Clarkson who reported the event.
Don't forget the producer in question had worked effectively with Clarkson for ten years or so. Just because one meal order goes wrong, does he deserve a smack in the mouth for this? More than likely he was let down by someone more junior than him on the team - should he have gone and given them a good hiding as well?
Nail > head :clap:
Marco.
You need to live in the now my friend... It's not the 1970's any more.
More's the pity. :)
Julian I appreciate your comments re the BBC however my opinion is not based on fantasy it is based on what I have been told by people who have worked for them/with them relatively recently.
Could you answer this please?
The point is, Macca and you seem to be saying that because you're an influential celebrity, paid by taxpayers money, you're entitled to verbally and physically abuse your staff. Is that what you're saying? It seems so.......
Marco.
julesd68
26-03-2015, 12:33
Julian I appreciate your comments re the BBC however my opinion is not based on fantasy it is based on what I have been told by people who have worked for them/with them relatively recently.
All I can say Martin is that your description of the BBC isn’t the organisation that I knew at many different levels, from 'shop floor' to senior management over 15-20 years. There are always people who have an axe to grind about management in whatever organisation you like, whether effective or ineffective, that’s just human nature … There are things I disliked about the way it was run, but being full of lazy people isn’t one of them … That’s all I can really say about it.
No what I am saying is that men should settle their differences like men and not go running to the authorities or HR or whoever. Doesn't make any difference whether your famous or not. And when men do settle their differences between themselves, even if it ends in a fight, it should be regarded as perfectly normal and not some shock-horror outrage. So someone got a split lip - big deal. If he'd beaten the bloke half to death then fair enough, that's going too far.
There is something here of casting the first stone. I'm happy to admit that if I came in after a long day's work expecting steak and chips and was told by some nonce that the kitchen was closed here's some garlic sausage and a bit of ham, I would be very pissed off and yes I would probably have a go at whoever was responsible.
And if instead of apologising and doing their best to fix the problem they gave me load of lip back then I couldn't guarantee that things wouldn't get violent, even though I'm not a violent person. Low blood sugar and all that.
So I'm not going to condemn Clarkson - or anyone - for doing the same thing.
Just because you are in the public eye doesn't make you any less human. These situations happen, they happen all the time to everyone.
No what I am saying is that men should settle their differences like men and not go running to the authorities or HR or whoever.
Wasn't it Clarkson himself who 'went running to the authorities'?
Apparantly it was he who reported it; probably felt concerned by the politically correct over-feminised backlash that might occur...
Wasn't it Clarkson himself who 'went running to the authorities'?
Precisely. I shall address the rest of your reply, Martin, after lunch.
Marco.
P.S Welcome back, Joe!
Apparantly it was he who reported it; probably felt concerned by the politically correct over-feminised backlash that might occur...
That most certainly doesn't reflect my position!
Marco.
Firebottle
26-03-2015, 13:17
Apparantly it was he who reported it; probably felt concerned by the politically correct over-feminised backlash that might occur...
No, there's aforethought to all this I think.
His contract was coming to an end and I think he wanted a change, and lets's face it it wouldn't be Clarkson if he didn't do it with a blaze of xxxxxx (insert glory or publicity or whatever).
Cheers, Alan
Haselsh1
26-03-2015, 13:20
Jeremy Clarkson is a total and utter knob; he is however a damn funny and humerous knob when combined with the other two knobs. Synergy methinks that simply won't be replicated by anyone else.
No. I don't think it was that. He clearly loved presenting Top Gear. In any case his contract was due for renewal anyway so he could have walked away and gone to any other broadcaster in the world, or packed it in altogether and retired. I'm sure he has enough money already to last him out in luxury.
The Black Adder
26-03-2015, 13:21
Apparantly it was he who reported it; probably felt concerned by the politically correct over-feminised backlash that might occur...
Are you deliberately trying it on?... I can't tell if your on a wind up or not with such sexist remarks.
I think it's time for me to log out me thinks.
probably felt concerned by the politically correct over-feminised backlash that might occur...
... utter and complete claptrap - the guy acted like a thug, the type who go out on a Friday night and down a gallon before kicking someone's head in for 'looking at their pint' (with occasional fatal results)
Resorting to violence is the recourse of a complete arse ... and a very dangerous one at that. Nowt to do with 'feminism' - just what it means to live in a civilised society not run by idiot barbarians with badly wired brains.
There is a difference in meaning between 'feminism' and 'feminised'. I was not being sexist not am I sexist. I do happen to think that men make very poor women and women make very poor men but that is hardly the same thing.
Yes, that comment could be construed as being quite sexist, Martin. Please remember that there are females amongst our membership.
No what I am saying is that men should settle their differences like men and not go running to the authorities or HR or whoever. Doesn't make any difference whether your famous or not. And when men do settle their differences between themselves, even if it ends in a fight, it should be regarded as perfectly normal and not some shock-horror outrage. So someone got a split lip - big deal. If he'd beaten the bloke half to death then fair enough, that's going too far.
I completely disagree. In normal circumstances out in the street, between two civilians, yes, and then you won't see me complain.
However, what you're failing to grasp is the fact that Clarkson is a public figure, and a supposed professional - and as such he should act responsibly and set a good example, AT ALL TIMES to the general public, that is if you have any class/breeding or pride in your profession.
However, that's the problem these days: any idiot can become a 'famous celebrity', without sufficiently qualifying for the title!
Clearly, despite his wealth, Clarkson has no class whatsoever, and the behaviour he displayed was on the level of a common thug. Quite simply, in his position, what he did was appalling and totally inexcusable - end of.
Anyway, please read over again the bit (above) in bold, and let it sink in, before you respond.
There is something here of casting the first stone. I'm happy to admit that if I came in after a long day's work expecting steak and chips and was told by some nonce that the kitchen was closed here's some garlic sausage and a bit of ham, I would be very pissed off and yes I would probably have a go at whoever was responsible. And if instead of apologising and doing their best to fix the problem they gave me load of lip back then I couldn't guarantee that things wouldn't get violent, even though I'm not a violent person.
Well, to my knowledge, that's not quite how the story was reported.
Are you saying you know that, completely unprovoked, Tymon rudely refused, at an appropriate time, to provide the required meal for Clarkson? That's rather different from Clarkson coming in (apparently pissed from the pub), at goodness knows what hour, arrogantly demanding to be fed, which is the version of events I'm familiar with.
Even regardless of that, there is still NO ACCEPTABLE EXCUSE WHATSOEVER, in his responsible position, for Clarkson thumping the guy. Also, if it turns out it's true that Clarkson racially abused and directed homophobic remaks at Tymon, would you also condone that behaviour?
Just because you are in the public eye doesn't make you any less human.
No, but as I said before, being a public figure comes with a certain level of responsibility, and also an acceptable standard of conduct. If you're going to reduce every small inconvenience experienced, or a disagreement with someone, into an excuse for a pub brawl, then quite simply, you don't deserve to be in such a privileged position.
Marco.
He's a TV presenter and a journalist not a Judge or a Member of Parliament. I don't see how that means he has to obey more rules than the rest of us.
Also for what it's worth I didn't have any problem with Cantona walloping that gobshite , either.
Guess I live in a different world from a lot of you folks :)
Yes, we live in a respectful, polite and civilised one, where public figures behave with dignity, and certain standards of conduct are adhered to ;)
It doesn't matter that he's 'only' a TV presenter and journalist. He's in the public eye and globally famous. In reality, he's more famous than most judges or MPs, and so with that comes responsibility (you continue to ignore that fact) and certain acceptable standards of conduct.
If a famous film star thumped a film critic for giving his latest film a bad review, how would that behaviour reflect on him?
Also for what it's worth I didn't have any problem with Cantona walloping that gobshite , either.
So you think that was appropriate behaviour for a professional footballer, and an acceptable example to send out to the hundreds and thousands of kids, worldwide, who idolised him? In a similar situation, if they ever became professional footballers. they should copy him, should they??
Also, you haven't answered my question about Clarkson's apparent racially abusing of Tymon and directing homophobic remarks at him. If proven to be true, is that also acceptable in 'your world'?
Marco.
walpurgis
26-03-2015, 15:59
Glad I'm not sexist. I like women. Two at a time even. :eyebrows:
There is a difference in meaning between 'feminism' and 'feminised'. I was not being sexist not am I sexist. I do happen to think that men make very poor women and women make very poor men but that is hardly the same thing.
I'm a senior man in a female dominated department
70% of my colleagues are women. That don't mean my masculinity is threatened. If anything I consider myself a modern man and if the rules of the workplace mean I can keep my team and colleagues in an environment they can do their best work then that's all I really care about. 2 blokes slugging it out don't fit there really.
Glad I'm not sexist. I like women. Two at a time even. :eyebrows:
:lolsign:
Could you do it though without having a heart attack? :D
Marco.
If anything I consider myself a modern man...
Yesh, shweety, and if rumours are to be believed, one who also isn't afraid to embrace his feminine side..... :eyebrows: :bum:
;)
Marco.
walpurgis
26-03-2015, 16:12
:lolsign:
Could you do it though without having a heart attack? :D
Marco.
Nah. My pacemaker keeps the Viagra boost under control.:lol:
Yesh, shweety, and if rumours are to be believed, one who also isn't afraid to embrace his feminine side..... :eyebrows: :bum:
;)
Marco.
Yer a wrong un :lol:
I've actually just been away at a 2 day conference and went for a drink where I was the only chap with 8 rather smartly turned out ladies. The barman looked at me like I was either the gayest or luckiest man on the planet. :lol:
My gabber has never been so flasted by some of the Neanderthal comments made here . . . .
Canetoad
27-03-2015, 00:00
In all honesty, who gives a fuck!! :rolleyes:
In all honesty, who gives a fuck!! :rolleyes:
Now, Now Bernie....He deserves a fair trial by interweb b4 we execute the Bassa:eyebrows:
Floyddroid
27-03-2015, 09:38
I have to disagree on this one. I was thinking to myself what would have happened had my boss or colleague took me to a pub for my tea because i had been working all day and i kicked off because the meat was cold, acting like a prick and hitting him? The answer would be to quote Mr Sugar,"your Fired!" He has hidden his bullish ways behind his celebrity far too long and whilst lads may like his behavior and opinions it is still unacceptable for a person to be allowed to assault another especially over such a minor issue. It boils my p..s to hear of his sacking being a tragedy. 150 people dying needlessly in an air crash that's a tragedy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good riddens to bad blood, he turned Top Gear into a sketch show anyway. Just saying.
So you let a celebrity get away with common assault? Where do you draw the line after that, Geoff? Throw a left-hook at the tea lady because she got your order wrong?
Clarkson committed a criminal act. pure and simple, and has been rightly punished for it. *That* is the key issue here, not how good/popular/valuable a commodity he was. He should be in jail, never mind anything else.
Marco.
Hi Steve,
You appear to be agreeing with me, not disagreeing... ;)
I wholeheartedly endorse everything you've written. Clarkson acted like an arrogant, thuggish cock, and was duly punished for it - end of. All those bemoaning his sacking are simply selfishly thinking of themselves and the disruption to their viewing pleasure, because Top Gear (as it was) is no more, which is narrow-minded and rather pathetic - simples :)
If I was Tymon, I'd be pressing charges and suing Clarkson's ass for assault, and if the racial abuse he was subjected to from him was true, ensuring that he met the same TV fate as Ron Atkinson did for his famous racist 'faux pas', live on air, at a football match.
Zero tolerance should be shown to thugs and racist bigots - even ones who are 'TV celebrities'!
Marco.
Ninanina
27-03-2015, 19:54
Feminised?... You mean not acting like typical neanderthals down the pub. Femininity has nothing to do with it, it's simple common sense. Violence is violence, regardless of who you are and/or how rich or well connected you are.
You need to live in the now my friend... It's not the 1970's any more.
Best comment I've seen on the matter Jo.. ;)
Much as I like Martin, he does have some rather strange ideas sometimes! ;)
Marco.
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