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Anyone watching this?
Apparently music is more pleasurable when you're stoned, groundbreaking stuff, perhaps this explains why my bedroom seemed to be hangout of choice for my pals when we were teenagers. I had a decent system, turntables, guitars and plenty ashtrays.:lol:
They should give a warning though, it can lead to harder things....like HiFi
Seriously though I do worry about the strength of the stuff the kids get these days, not to mention the legal stuff. It's a whole different kettle of fish to what we had.
John Snow doesn't look to be enjoying it very much at all.
He got the heebiejeebies and that's what the strong stuff did to me.
It's a shame it's the only option these days as I'm sure if given the choice many people would choose the milder strains. I also think that the most emotionally intelligent people can be the most affected by it and often not in good ways.
Ninanina
03-03-2015, 23:34
I'm not watching it but I can imagine what it's about
Richard you are so correct.... The milder stuff that was available many years ago was pretty harmless but the 'skunk' stuff of today is just too wicked and too strong...
NOT that I'm an expert at all but I'm sure i'm right...:D
StanleyB
03-03-2015, 23:40
Anyone remember Durban Poison?
Anyone remember Durban Poison?
No, and I lived there for 10 years. I do remember the 'Snake Bite' though.
Weed is like any other drug in that it has different effects on different people.
Booze is the same. Some like scotch while I'm sure someone likes Malibu and some can drink more than others.
Legalise green and get the tax.
I'm not watching it but I can imagine what it's about
Richard you are so correct.... The milder stuff that was available many years ago was pretty harmless but the 'skunk' stuff of today is just too wicked and too strong...
NOT that I'm an expert at all but I'm sure i'm right...:D
You are actually wrong. It is not possible to alter the genetics of the plant to produce anymore THC than it ever has been.
That the population doesn't smoke Lebanese Red/Gold hash that was traded for guns anymore means it is nowhere near as prolific. But that stuff WAS strong.
What has happened is domestic growing has massively increased as the tech to do so has become widely available. Quite a few of these strains are low in CBD and that can cause more prolific mental problems. There are strains that are high in CBD though - like those used to produce Afghan black hash. That everyone seems to want skunk is probably more a feature of idiotic media promotion of its high potency more than it being a better smoke.
The skunk versus hash argument is a bit of a lie. Strains low in CBD could be used to make hash whereupon the hash will simply be the same as the "skunk" used to produce it. Typically, though, imported hash does not use low CBD strains in its manufacture.
StanleyB
03-03-2015, 23:48
No, and I lived there for 10 years. I do remember the 'Snake Bite' though.
I am not aware of the Snake Bite. But Durban poison was once easily available in the UK up to about 1985. It was far stronger than skunk, had a nicer taste, and you would actually let the thing go out instead of fighting to keep it alight.
If you're smoking a strain that has 23% THC or thereabouts you are right up at the top of the tree - or weed:D Durban poison is not of that potency.
Weed is like any other drug in that it has different effects on different people.
Booze is the same. Some like scotch while I'm sure someone likes Malibu and some can drink more than others.
Legalise green and get the tax.
I've long been a supporter of decriminalization rather than legalisation. This would take the black market out of it and promote more varieties. I reckon those who were into it would grow a few plants in their greenhouses or cupboards for themselves and their mates and the value would drop to next to nothing. The criminals would have to move into something else. When I was an allotment keeper I used to swap peppers and tomato varieties with the other gardeners and we would give each other spare produce. In the high summer when the fruit crops of gooseberry and strawberries were up I used to give carrier bags of them away to friends and family. I like to think it might be a bit like that.
You are actually wrong. It is not possible to alter the genetics of the plant to produce anymore THC than it ever has been.
That the population doesn't smoke Lebanese Red/Gold hash that was traded for guns anymore means it is nowhere near as prolific. But that stuff WAS strong.
What has happened is domestic growing has massively increased as the tech to do so has become widely available. Quite a few of these strains are low in CBD and that can cause more prolific mental problems. There are strains that are high in CBD though - like those used to produce Afghan black hash. That everyone seems to want skunk is probably more a feature of idiotic media promotion of its high potency more than it being a better smoke.
The skunk versus hash argument is a bit of a lie. Strains low in CBD could be used to make hash whereupon the hash will simply be the same as the "skunk" used to produce it. Typically, though, imported hash does not use low CBD strains in its manufacture.
True, I think they were making the comparison with 'soap bar' hash, or burglars choice as we used to call it. That's a horrible mix of things and dogshit would be less toxic. In the States where focus has shifted onto medicinal strains they can now produce CBD dominant strains which can have some real benefits as a pain and anxiety relief medicine. Whilst the criminal element dominate it is all about bang for the buck which means high THC and lots of mental illnesses.
Try blue Meth Yo...
Just don't put no chilli in it... I hate chilli
StanleyB
04-03-2015, 00:07
If you're smoking a strain that has 23% THC or thereabouts you are right up at the top of the tree - or weed:D Durban poison is not of that potency.
Durban Poison comes in at about 24.5% of THC.
True, I think they were making the comparison with 'soap bar' hash, or burglars choice as we used to call it. That's a horrible mix of things and dogshit would be less toxic. In the States where focus has shifted onto medicinal strains they can now produce CBD dominant strains which can have some real benefits as a pain and anxiety relief medicine. Whilst the criminal element dominate it is all about bang for the buck which means high THC and lots of mental illnesses.
Trouble with hash is it makes it easy to contaminate. I'd swear some of the hash I used to smell in various clubs in Bristol years ago had rubber in it. It definitely smelt like it.
Anyway who cares. Plenty more problems in the world than something as insignificant as weed/hash. Like alcohol. Which is bloody terrible for you. Leagues worse.
Durban Poison comes in at about 24.5% of THC.
Only ever saw that in Amsterdam, around 20 years ago. Was weak compared to the California Orange bud and haze which were the rage back then. Of course I never inhaled.
Durban Poison comes in at about 24.5% of THC.
Hm just checked yeah it is stronger than I thought. Soz Stan.
So what was the conclusion? My assumption is that they stuck to the government line.
StanleyB
04-03-2015, 12:03
So what was the conclusion?
There are more experts in the theory, than consumer based knowledge.
Surely there are far more consumers than there are experts?
StanleyB
04-03-2015, 12:56
Judging by some of the comments and replies in this thread alone, there are more armchair experts with a knowledge of the UK product range, than those who have had hands on experience with a global variety of substances and the individual effects. If you magnify that over the whole of the UK, the armchair experts win hands down :).
No wonder that the knowledgeable consumers end up visiting Amsterdam instead of listening to the sales pitch of a local dealer.
I smoked cannabis regularly for 30 years. Wouldn't call myself an expert and the stuff I smoked back then was considerably milder in strength than current strains. However I knew what I liked and what I didn't.
My favourite way to smoke marajuana was to make a roll-up with 'grass'. No tobacco and a nice gentle buzz. Unfortunately, it tended to stink somewhat.
After 'grass', my next two favourites were what we called 'paky black' and 'nepalese blue'. The 'paky black' (apologies for the less than pc appellation, but that was what it was called then) was cannabis resin which you had to mix with tobacco or use a pipe. It too gave a very nice high with a gentle come down. Nepalese 'blue' was a very hard dark blue-grey coloured resin which was difficult to roast and gave one a more hallucinogenic high (yes I know all cannabis is a hallucinogen, but those effects were more pronounced with the nepalese 'blue').
The worse was Moroccan 'gold'; a dunn brown coloured soft, soapy, resin, which produced a high so mild it was almost not worth bothering with. We tended to avoid it, given the choice.
'Golden Lebanese' (or simply 'Lebanese') was a better smoke than the Moroccan, but not as good as 'Paky Black' :)
Hm can't say I am a practical expert but I have read an awful lot about the subject to try and see through the constant media bullshit and lies about said substance. The same applies to other substances that appear to cause less physical damage than the massively problematical alcohol abuse that occurs in his country that we somehow justify as OK.
Aldous Huxley had some very sensible things to say about substances. I think his best point is that since the beginning of time man has looked in every nook and cranny for something to take him away from the drudgery of normal existence. So why not do some serious research into substances that do the job without harmful side effects and control/tax them.
It's a practical way of preventing organised crime with minimal adverse effects on consumers. Good thinking if you ask me.
Where I grew up it was what we did instead of drinking.
We didn't have a lot of money so we'd all chip in for a bit and a crate. I used to hang with some older guys who introduced me to it. They also introduced me to a lot of great music such as Floyd, Hawkwind, Ozrics.
My weed and I were great friends for a good few years until it started to affect me in the opposite way to how I'd enjoyed it. It took away my confidence socially, made me withdrawn and pessimistic, and the impact on short term memory was the last thing I needed when I started back in education. This coincided with the prevalence of v strong homegrown and I think my change in attitude to it had a lot to do with the strength and nature of the product changing.
When I stopped using it I became more outgoing, less anxious and according to my partner much easier to live with. Preferring a steady state of mind, my use gradually reduced to nothing. At the time I worried I'd never enjoy music in the same way again, but clearly I got over that and my tastes are now more diverse than ever. I still visit Amsterdam a couple of times a year, (cheap flights from Newcastle) I just like the place, the cycling and the cafe culture without the coffee shops and could easily set up residence there if not for work.
I still remember the joy of coming across a nice bit of caramello, leb, goldseal, double zero or sticky black. Also the disappointment at only finding bush full of sticks and seeds or the dreaded slate and soapbar. These are all but gone nowadays and all I ever smell at gigs and festivals is the skunk. It actually makes makes me retch.
I don't think I was ever addicted, but it left the nicotine hook deep. My ecig takes care of that for me now.
Ah see now I come at it from a slightly different angle.
I started smoking pot in '89 as a young raver and the only green available was crap homegrown. The solid however was great with a few different varieties available many of which are named in the proceeding posts. Slate was always a favourite for me as despite its relative weakness I loved the way it fluffed up and a weight seemed to last forever.
These days I love the stronger, quality weed and in particular the cheese variants.
I think the law is simply this.
If you like something, don't think it is harmless and do too much of it. In all likelihood you will experience problems. Once or twice a week with anything apart from the most powerful hallucinogens probably won't cause you too much in the way of psychological or physical problems. If you have the discipline to do that you probably will never have any really significant problems with the vast variety of stuff out there.
That said it can take me 3 days to feel 100% after 5-6 pints of beer these days. Liquid poison, but I do like a drink, like many others.
Just don't be a prat, look after yourself and do not try to influence others.
Everyone should know that, relative to drugs freely available and legal in the West, weed is pretty much harmless, so the backwards toff media and government are saying how there's this "new evil skunk" version - let's ignore all the science, medical evidence and peer review though...
Having said this adolescents and children shouldn't go near weed as, taken at high levels for sustained time, can impact brain development. Adult minds however do not experience any changes i.e. weed makes use of existing pathways rather than creating new ones.
Any drug is dangerous when someone irresponsible or self-destructive is using it though...
The Barbarian
09-03-2015, 16:12
Thats not troo
drugs are for mugs.
I agree, make it into a tea rather than fucking your lungs up with smoke. ;)
The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, countless other rock/pop/reggae artists...
Gentleman, a lot of the stuff that gives you so much pleasure - surely you are not suggesting it was created by mugs? Many of literature's greatest works were also inspired by chemically altered states.
Get a grip.
The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, countless other rock/pop/reggae artists...
Gentleman, a lot of the stuff that gives you so much pleasure - surely you are not suggesting it was created by mugs? Many of literature's greatest works were also inspired by chemically altered states.
Get a grip.
Amen.
Ali Tait
09-03-2015, 19:48
drugs are for mugs.
You including alcohol in that statement, it's a drug like any other.. :-)
I had to sons use drugs. Ones dead the other is mentally ill now.
Ali Tait
09-03-2015, 20:23
Sorry to hear that Grant, didn't know.
I had to sons use drugs. Ones dead the other is mentally ill now.
That is a tragedy. My wife lost a relative to heroin addiction and an old friend of mine is now severely affected by mental illness after years of weed smoking. He now has no sense of perspective on life and lives a very lonely existence. His days revolve around blagging whatever he can from anybody close to him with the sole purpose of getting as pissed and stoned as he can before the day is through. This made him untrustworthy and I along with others had to sever our ties. He was one of the guys who got me into playing bass and hifi and now all the instruments and lovely gear has gone.
I got out of that game before it affected me hence I now worry, not that kids are taking drugs, I think they will regardless of their legality, more of the strength and type of drugs they are taking.
I was a long time ago but sometimes, like now it feels like yesterday. It can cause depression, paranoia and lots more beside. He hung himself at 21. Pretty much destroyed a family........ not an unfamiliar story I know but one that people should realise can happen to anyone.
I had to sons use drugs. Ones dead the other is mentally ill now.
This is a huge shame indeed and have had the same experiences in my family. In the context of the marijuana programme topic of this thread there is a media bias in that it tries to say 'horrendous experience, I'll never do it again' whilst ignoring people who go about their everyday lives and do such things in moderation and for enjoyment.
Addictive substances are different, all rationality and potential doses go out of the window, but this thread is about cannabis. Hard drugs are a completely different ballgame, they can and do kill people, mistakes are made.
an old friend of mine is now severely affected by mental illness after years of weed smoking. He now has no sense of perspective on life and lives a very lonely existence. His days revolve around blagging whatever he can from anybody close to him with the sole purpose of getting as pissed and stoned as he can before the day is through.
Pissed, stoned and broke, you can't blame cannabis and alcohol for this man not being able to get a grip on his life. There are deeper underlying issues, which are not drug related. EDIT: this sounds like very hard talk, but it's true!
Pissed, stoned and broke, you can't blame cannabis and alcohol for this man not being able to get a grip on his life. There are deeper underlying issues, which are not drug related.
Oh yes, absolutely. We discussed this at length over the years we associated with him. It has been a source of sadness for all of his friends and many of us tried to support him with what I think is a learning disability in spite of him taking liberties at every turn. We all cut him a lot of slack.
The cannabis is both his comforter and tormentor. It has helped and hindered him and become the thing which fills the void. We're talking about a 30 year habit here. It has defined who he now is.
Most folk have issues tbh.They often think and are sure that drugs, and I will include alcohol helps. it at best masks, and often makes the issues worse. This of course is usually not noticed by the person and things get worse. Not everyone has these dramas of course, but for evry one that it helps there are 2 at least that it hinders; I quote my son's excellent psychiatrist
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