Firebottle phono MM/MC loan list.

[Firebottle]

As there is continued demand I thought it was time to organise a dedicated thread to show the availability of the Firebottle loan unit.
There are a couple of dings to the corners of the enclosure through its continued postal journey:

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/Paramotorpilot/Firebottle%20phono/P1040735.jpg

It has been updated to the latest tweaks for the RIAA eq, plus slightly increased gain of 41dB MM and 61dB MC, which should suit the majority of installations.

First on the new list is Ashmore, will be out to you at the end of this week,
.................followed by mikeyb,
.................followed by Bluesboy65.

As ever I request a little patience so the current recipient can get the full flavour over a few days/week end.

:cool: Alan

PS Firebottle 2 is under development :)

[awkwardbydesign]

I would be interested in trying it, but my Decca London Supergold supposedly likes 33k loading.

[mikeyb]

:)

Mike.

[Wakefield Turntables]

I'd love to have a listen please.

[Thebiglebowski]

Count me in as well please?

[MarginWalker]

I'd be interested in trying it out too.

[paul(555)]

Can I join the fun as well please.

[rossman]

I'd like to try the Firebottle too :)

[struth]

Looks like one hell of a queue alan :)

[Firebottle]

It sure is Grant :)

OK, list as stands:
Ashmore
mikeyb
Bluesboy65
awkwardbydesign
REXTON
Thebiglebowski
MarginWalker
Paul(555)
rossman
Tarzan
Shane

:D

[Tarzan]

Hi Alan, l used your blue faced phono stage and enjoyed it - could l go on the list please.:)

[Firebottle]

OK Andy, you're on the list :thumbsup:

You'll find the updated version to be way superior to the original blue faced original,

:cool: Alan

[shane]

That's eleven people now. Given about 2 weeks each (is that about right?) that takes us to late summer, by which time with luck my impending house move will be over and done with. Can you pop me on the list please Alan?

[Firebottle]

Okee doaky, done.

[awkwardbydesign]

..

[Tarzan]

OK Andy, you're on the list :thumbsup:

You'll find the updated version to be way superior to the original blue faced original,

:cool: Alan


The Blue was good.:)

[Ashmore]

Looking forward to trying this out!

[awkwardbydesign]

A couple of questions; how does the posting onwards work? Does the current user contact the next one, does it go back to you first (firebottle), or do you pass on details, or what?
And is there a way to change the loading for MM? My Decca will work into 47k, but it's not considered ideal.

[Firebottle]

It's on its way to you Ashmore :)

@awkwardbydesign (great handle by the way), the current user contacts the next one, usually by PM, for address details.
You will have to use a piggy back connector to alter the loading with the loan unit.

I have included the current loan list on the back of the specification/instruction sheet so everyone can see who's next.

:cool: Alan

[mikeyb]

It's on its way to you Ashmore :)

@awkwardbydesign (great handle by the way), the current user contacts the next one, usually by PM, for address details.
You will have to use a piggy back connector to alter the loading with the loan unit.

I have included the current loan list on the back of the specification/instruction sheet so everyone can see who's next.

:cool: Alan
Hi.

Thanks for the info :-)

Mike.

[Mike g]

I've got one of Alan's firebottle+ stages and after a bit of deck swapping (from my gyrodec back to my lenco gl75) I plugged my jico sas shure onto my jelco 750d today and bam - hit the motherload with SQ. Sounded fantastic - detailed but not analytical with great rythmn and full frequency range. If you are thinking about trying the loaner don't hesitate to sign up. The Firebottle is a beaut.


And alan - when you need someone to demo or test the mk2 just let me know...��

[Bluebeat13]

I would like to be added to the list please Alan. My next system movement will likely be to get some valves in the phono stage so would like to give yours a go giving all the glowing reviews.

Thanks,

Tom

[Ashmore]

Just arrived today. 'Unfortunately' out for a curry tonight, so no listening. But I can report it's a handsome beast!!

[mikeyb]

:hmm:

[Thebiglebowski]

Can you take me off the list please, at this rate it'll be another 2 months before it reaches me. I'm going to buy a new phono now instead.

[mikeyb]

Can you take me off the list please, at this rate it'll be another 2 months before it reaches me. I'm going to buy a new phono now instead.

Hi,

Could be longer, I've not received it yet, or heard if on its way.

Mike.

[mikeyb]

Hi,

Now been pm'd and it will be posted to me on Tuesday 3rd :eyebrows:

Away all day Wednesday and attending a Focus - Hawkwind Concert on Wed evening, my ears should be perfect for a listen on Thursday :lol:

Mike.

[Ashmore]

Hi all

Apologies for the radio silence. This wonderful box of tricks will be on its merry way to Mike on Tuesday. It's been a very positive experience and I'm very grateful Alan for the loan. It's a splendid way to try things out in one's own system.

Simon

[mikeyb]

Hi all

Apologies for the radio silence. This wonderful box of tricks will be on its merry way to Mike on Tuesday. It's been a very positive experience and I'm very grateful Alan for the loan. It's a splendid way to try things out in one's own system.

Simon

Hi Simon,

excellent, I thought that curry had done you in lol.

Look forward to trying it out with my new amp that is due to arrive this week ;)

Mike.

[Ashmore]

On its way to you Mike. Should be there tomorrow am. I admit, I did not enjoy unplugging it from my system :(

[Aligauld]

Hi There,
I was wondering if I could be placed on the list.

Many Thanks,
Alistair

[Firebottle]

OK, you're on the list.
Current standing:

mikeyb
Bluesboy65
awkwardbydesign
REXTON
Thebiglebowski - has requested to be removed
MarginWalker
Paul(555)
rossman
Tarzan
Shane
Bluebeat13
Aligauld

[mikeyb]

On its way to you Mike. Should be there tomorrow am. I admit, I did not enjoy unplugging it from my system :(
Thanks, I expect I'll feel the same way when I send it on. Going to do a comparison with a Trigon Vanguard II and see what comes out best for me.

Mike.

[Robprog]

I have had one of Alan's MM/MC versions for a few weeks now and I think its brilliant. It takes the edge of my very analytical, to my ears, Ortofon 2M Bronze. I think I might in time upgrade the cartridge to the Ortofon MC Black. Not sure of its designation. The Firebottle is dynamic with great soundstage and separation and complements my Rogue Audio Sphinx very well. Lovely stuff

[mikeyb]

Hi,

just received the demo one this am and DISASTER !!

When pulling out the TT phono lead from the Firebottle to swap it back into my amps' phone stage input to compare, the phono plug ( male ) on my Gyrodec pulled apart leaving the pin still inserted into the Firebottle input, so I'm going to have to get my arm wire/phono connector repaired before I can have a good listen, wouldn't be so bad but it has just been rewired due to a fault/break in the cable when I bought it just before Xmas grrrrrrrrr.

Hope to get it fixed locally so should be testing it by the weekend and will forward to next on list next week.

" No harm was caused to the Firebottle during the making of this DISASTER !! "

Mike.

[Ali Tait]

I can sort it for you.

[mikeyb]

I can sort it for you.

Hi Ali,

A very generous offer can I pm you in the morning to arrange?

Thanks,

Mike.

[Ali Tait]

Aye sure.

[mikeyb]

Aye sure.

Hi,

Thanks.

Pm sent :-)

Mike.

[Elephantears]

Hi Alan,

I didn't realise the Firebottle was still doing the rounds. I heard it when Jeff had it and was very impressed. I have not heard the mono Blue Train sound so good since. I'd love to give it a go if possible.

[Firebottle]

OK Andrew, I'll update the list and keep re-posting at the end of the thread when updated so it is easily found.
Next is:

Bluesboy65
awkwardbydesign
REXTON
Thebiglebowski - has requested to be removed
MarginWalker
Paul(555)
rossman
Tarzan
Shane
Bluebeat13
Aligauld
Elephantears

:cool: Alan

[mikeyb]

Hi,

Bluesboy65 can you PM me your address for posting please.

Thanks,

Mike.

[mikeyb]

Hi,

Still waiting for Bluesboy65 to send me his address so I can send him the stage.

Pm sent this am to chase him up.

Mike.

[awkwardbydesign]

Sod him! Send it to me instead. :lol:

[Firebottle]

I think if you don't get a reasonably quick response then do send it to the next on the list>
It can always be sent to the 'missed' person afterwards.

:) Alan

[awkwardbydesign]

Yay!

[mikeyb]

I think if you don't get a reasonably quick response then do send it to the next on the list>
It can always be sent to the 'missed' person afterwards.

:) Alan

Hi,

if I hear nothing by tomorrow am I will send it to awkwardbydesign, I will package it tonight and have it ready for addressing to post 1st thing tomorrow.

Awkward send me your address in readiness ;-)

I've PM'd Bluesboy65 and posted here so if he misses it .......tough lol

Mike.

[mikeyb]

Hi,

It's on its way to awkward ;-)

Sent Special Delivery guaranteed by Monday as they wanted an extra £8 to get it tomorrow. Jeez it used to be £2 extra!

List can now be updated again.

Many thanks to Alan for the opportunity to try it.

Mike.

[awkwardbydesign]

Ooh! I'd better sharpen my needle then.

[Audio Al]

Alan

Can I have a listen with Tarzan as we live close :D

[Ali Tait]

Only if you pay half the postage.:lol:

[Audio Al]

Only if you pay half the postage.:lol:

Don't tell M rAndy

I will just turn up " Oh what a coincidence " :D

[Ali Tait]

Well, that would be in keeping with yer cheapskate image.. ��

[Audio Al]

Well, that would be in keeping with yer cheapskate image.. ��

If only you new the real me , Judge , book , cover all come 2 mind ;)

[Ali Tait]

Sorry, the smiley didn't come out, only joking!

[Tarzan]

Alan

Can I have a listen with Tarzan as we live close :D


You may come and have a listen Owl.

[Audio Al]

You may come and have a listen Owl.

Fanks M rAndy :)

[Bluesboy65]

Been busy and just read message.

[awkwardbydesign]

Been busy and just read message.
:ner: :D

[mikeyb]

Been busy and just read message.

Hi,

Just pm your address to awkwardbydesign so he can send it to you next [emoji6]

Won't make any difference to the list as time of sending to the next person that was due to get it (Rexton) after Awkward will still be the same.

Unless of course anyone thinks differently ?

Mike.

[awkwardbydesign]

Shouldn't he go to the back of the queue for not concentrating in class? ;)

[awkwardbydesign]

It arrived safely this morning. So I suppose I'd better buy some records.

[Tarzan]

It arrived safely this morning. So I suppose I'd better buy some records.


:popcorn:

[awkwardbydesign]

Well, I plugged it in, listened to 30 seconds of music, and BANG! Oracle Delphi dead, phono stage dead. And the Oracle motor, of course, is irreplaceable!
Out with the test meter, 60v AC from the PSU for the deck. Went upstairs and used the better meter; no AC, just 27v DC as it should be. Threw away the cheap downstairs meter! Checked everything I could check, plugged it all back in and it all works! WTF? It seems the on/off switch on the PSU has failed in the on position. Don't know why it all went off, then!
Played half a side of Yargo - Bodybeat, and got a knock on the door. Keeping next door's kids awake! I am the noisy neighbour, it seems. She was very nice about it (again!), but proper listening will have to wait until the kids are at school.
It sounded good at a low level, but that's a BIG red light on the front!

[walpurgis]

Oooh. Are you still having palpitations Richard? Must have shocked you a bit. :eek: :)

[Firebottle]

The BIG red light is so you don't keep it :lol:

[awkwardbydesign]

The BIG red light is so you don't keep it :lol:

Pah! I could fix that, no problem.https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRX9rhRc1o9WTFCOJuvhWRgwSR3YIfFf 3l8z-wjKE8JWAP8BdIEHg

[Soulman]

Could I go on the list to try it please?

[Firebottle]

OK no problem, list now standing as :

Bluesboy65
REXTON
Thebiglebowski - has requested to be removed
MarginWalker
Paul(555)
rossman
Tarzan
Shane
Bluebeat13
Aligauld
Elephantears
Soulman

:) Alan

[British high fidelity]

Hi guys I'm in Malaysia so wouldn't be able to test but may want to buy one, as I'm new can someone please send pm on price etc

[Firebottle]

PM sent :)

[Zoidburg]

Can I add my name to the list please?

I think my current phono stage is playing up and I'm now having to consider something to replace it with.

[Firebottle]

OK done, list now standing:

Bluesboy65
REXTON
Thebiglebowski - has requested to be removed
MarginWalker
Paul(555)
rossman
Tarzan
Shane
Bluebeat13
Aligauld
Elephantears
Soulman
Zoidburg

cheers, Alan

[awkwardbydesign]

PM sent to Bluesboy65. Let's hope he reads it this time! :lol:

[struth]

PM sent to Bluesboy65. Let's hope he reads it this time! :lol:

How did it do against the Yaqin Richard?

[awkwardbydesign]

How did it do against the Yaqin Richard?

PM sent.

[awkwardbydesign]

PM sent to Bluesboy65. Let's hope he reads it this time! :lol:

Come out, come out, wherever you are!

[orbscure]

OK done, list now standing:

Bluesboy65
REXTON
Thebiglebowski - has requested to be removed
MarginWalker
Paul(555)
rossman
Tarzan
Shane
Bluebeat13
Aligauld
Elephantears
Soulman
Zoidburg



Could I please be added to the waiting list Alan? :)

[struth]

Come out, come out, wherever you are!

he has not been on for a few days. you may have to wait til weekend or again bypass him.

[awkwardbydesign]

he has not been on for a few days. you may have to wait til weekend or again bypass him.

To the back of the queue with him! You'd think he would keep an eye on it after last time.

[Firebottle]

Bluesboy65
REXTON
Thebiglebowski - has requested to be removed
MarginWalker
Paul(555)
rossman
Tarzan
Shane
Bluebeat13
Aligauld
Elephantears
Soulman
Zoidburg
Orbscure

Done :) Alan

[awkwardbydesign]

Right, I've PMd REXTON, so if Bluesboy65 doesn't reply tonight he may miss out again!

[Wakefield Turntables]

And now replied!

[awkwardbydesign]

Posted, and insured. Damned expensive, insurance!

[awkwardbydesign]

Um, it looks like it was delivered to REXTON last Friday, 27th March. Have you got it?

[Floyddroid]

I finally took delivery of mine last Sunday in the most unique mode of delivery ever. Alan was wearing it around his neck. brilliant! I plumbed it into my system yesterday and it sounded bloody good. I will be writing up my findings soon. Watch this space.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n621/Progmeister/Firebottle2.jpg (http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/Progmeister/media/Firebottle2.jpg.html)

[struth]

Didn't know Alan had started selling them yet... waiting with baited buttocks on your report :eyebrows:

[paul(555)]

Alan,
Can you move me down the list please, I've just dismantled all my gear for a major overhaul of the lounge which is likely to take two or three months.
Thanks.

[Firebottle]

OK Paul, hows this:


Bluesboy65
REXTON at present with.
MarginWalker
rossman
Tarzan
Shane
Bluebeat13
Aligauld
Paul(555)
Elephantears
Soulman
Zoidburg
Orbscure

Rexton how are you getting on with it?

:) Alan

[Wakefield Turntables]

Fine, I think its time for next person on List.

Bluesboy can you email me your address please.

[Floyddroid]

Eyup Grant

For my own convenience i reviewed this on my website. please click on and have read. I already started a thread that may not have been seen by prospective Firebottle customers so here it is....

http://progmeister.com/firebottle-phono-stage


Didn't know Alan had started selling them yet... waiting with baited buttocks on your report :eyebrows:

[paul(555)]

Thanks Alan, revised place looks fine and will keep me motivated on the refurb.

[rossman]

It's been a few weeks since Rexton offered to pass the Firebottle on. Is there any info on the progress through the list please?

[Firebottle]

Mr Rexton said he was posting it last week (Friday I think), so should arrive soon.

Rexton can you confirm?

:) Alan

[Wakefield Turntables]

Who am i supposed to be mailing this to? I thought it was bluesboy. Please confirm next member and can they send me address please.

[Firebottle]

Looks like Bluesboy65 is not checking in again, so send it to MarginWalker.

[awkwardbydesign]

Who am i supposed to be mailing this to? I thought it was bluesboy. Please confirm next member and can they send me address please.
:popcorn:

[Wakefield Turntables]

I did get a PM from Bluesboy with his address.

Can I have a definitive answer as to who I should then this to please. I don't want to piss people off.

Thanks

A

[Firebottle]

Sorry for any confusion caused. As it's not being transferred via myself then use a bit of initiative if members on the list are not responding.

As you have had PM from Bluesboy then send it to him as he is at the top of the list.
Hopefully nobody will get pissed of if there is the occasional hiccup :)

:cool: Alan

[Wakefield Turntables]

Right thanks.

[rossman]

It was always going to be either Bluesboy65 or MarginWalker and both are before me anyway so no annoyance here.

[mikeyb]

Hi,

Jeez I felt bad keeping it for a week when I had it on loan.

Mike.

[Wakefield Turntables]

Hi,

Jeez I felt bad keeping it for a week when I had it on loan.

Mike.

There was no specified amount of time for the loan. The phonostage would have been sent within the specified loan period if one had existed.

[mikeyb]

It was always going to be either Bluesboy65 or MarginWalker and both are before me anyway so no annoyance here.
Hi,

Be fine as long as Bluesboy65 is better at testing and posting than he is at watching this thread lol

I would have bought one if we hadn't had to watch our finances due to my wife being made jobless (she's the main earner by a long way lol) I was actually penned in for getting the two box version with Firebottle serial 002 but had to cancel 😢

It beat both the Whest 2.0 and a Trigon Vanguard II I had on trial at the same time.

So I'm having to make do with the stage in my TQ Tellurium Claymore amp, which is pretty decent and will suffice until my wife finds another job.

Mike.

[awkwardbydesign]

So I'm having to make do with the stage in my TQ Tellurium Claymore amp, which is pretty decent and will suffice until my wife finds another job.

Mike.
That's what wives are for!

[mikeyb]

That's what wives are for!

Ach a Ken, its nae easy.

Mike.

[Wakefield Turntables]

Firebottle now on its travels to Bluesboy.

[Bluesboy65]

Fire bottle arrived yesterday,wife's not happy at all,lol.

[MarginWalker]

Completely forgot I was on this loan list and haven't checked in for a while, I hope I haven't held things up. Don't think I have had a PM so hopefully it hasn't reached my turn yet.

MW

[Tarzan]

Where are we with the loan list folk?:eek:

[Firebottle]

Situation as follows showing the next on the list at the top:

MarginWalker
rossman
Tarzan
Shane
Bluebeat13
Aligauld
Paul(555)
Elephantears
Soulman
Zoidburg


:)

[Ali Tait]

Anyone near me is welcome over for a listen to mine.

[orbscure]

Situation as follows showing the next on the list at the top:

MarginWalker
rossman
Tarzan
Shane
Bluebeat13
Aligauld
Paul(555)
Elephantears
Soulman
Zoidburg
Orbscure

:)

Not that it has much of as bearing on the list, but as I've finally moved away from vinyl, perhaps you could remove me from the list please Alan - and many thanks for allowing me the opportunity... :)

[Firebottle]

OK done, enjoy your CD and streaming :)

[MarginWalker]

Probably best to remove me from the list too. Since the loan started I have upgraded my phono stage so not sure the missus would be too pleased to see another one come through the door!

MW

[Elephantears]

Crikey, it's a long wait!

Very keen to hear the Firebottle before I buy another phono stage. My impressions when reformed audiophile had the prototype model were very good indeed, and I'd love to hear it properly in my system.

[Sansui111]

Hi Alan! this is my second post on AOS. Could you add my name to the list too please?

Tautvilas

[Firebottle]

Updated:

rossman
Tarzan
Shane
Bluebeat13
Aligauld
Paul(555)
Elephantears
Soulman
Zoidburg
Sansui111
rdpx

:)

[rossman]

I had a PM from Bluesboy a couple of days ago and the Firebottle should be on it's way soon.

Come to think of it, I had a note saying that Royal Mail had tried to deliver a parcel yesterday - I wonder if it could be the phono stage. Unfortunately I'm on a 12 hour day shift tomorrow and won't be able to collect it until Tuesday at the earliest.

[mikeyb]

Hi,

5 people in 4 months, at this rate Alan you might get a sale before year end lol.

2 week turnaround should surely enough to know if it's for you or not.

I had it a few hours and knew it right away that it beat the two other stages I had on test.

I know there isn't a set time but at this rate some poor sod is going to wait a year or more 😞

Mike.

[Firebottle]

Thanks for the observations Mike :cool:

I didn't really want to make a comment myself but as you have brought it into focus I shall make the request 'can the loan unit get moved on after 2 weeks folks?'

:)

[mikeyb]

Thanks for the observations Mike :cool:

I didn't really want to make a comment myself but as you have brought it into focus I shall make the request 'can the loan unit get moved on after 2 weeks folks?'

:)Hi Alan,

no worries, I know I only kept it a week and then posted it via Royal Mail Special Delivery to ensure next day arrival (£26), it arrived on the Monday after posting on the Friday :( but I thought a week was long enough to know how good it was, I know RMSD might be a bit expensive for some people but at least it ensured very little delay in changing hands.

Sorry if my comments might upset some people but if you don't have time to listen to it within a few days of receiving it then........ what's the point of having HiFi :eyebrows::D

Mike.

[shane]

Since house moves are approaching I'm going to have to duck out for the moment, I'm afraid. Could you take me off the list please Alan?

[rossman]

At the moment I'm still waiting for the Firebottle to arrive, the previous parcel was an LP.

I had a PM from Ian (Bluesboy) on Wednesday saying the he would post it on Thursday. I can only think that it might have been sent 48 hr delivery and should be due Monday. Unfortunately shift work means that unless someone is in to receive the parcel on Monday, that I can't pick it up until Wednesday.

On the upside I've got a couple of weeks off work from Friday so plenty of time to listen and send on within 2 weeks.

[mikeyb]

On the upside I've got a couple of weeks off work from Friday so plenty of time to listen and send on within 2 weeks.

Excellent, I'm sure you won't be disappointed ;)

Mike.

[Firebottle]

Updated:

rossman
Tarzan
Bluebeat13
Aligauld
Paul(555)
Elephantears
Soulman
Zoidburg
Sansui111
rdpx

:)

[rossman]

The Firebottle arrived a few minutes ago. A nice surprise as we don't normally get deliveries at teatime on a weekend.

Time for a bit of a listen before the rest of the family get back from shopping.

[Bluesboy65]

Hi,in reply to what you are saying,some people work shifts/have family commitments, and don't have a lot of spare time to listen to music,therefore,to make a proper evaluation of something new can take longer than 2 weeks,you cannot make your mind up in a few listens I'm afraid,it takes time.

[Elephantears]

some people ... don't have a lot of spare time to listen to music

But have time for hi-fi forums!

Really, a week should fine.

[Bluesboy65]

Your opinion,not mine.

[Elephantears]

What I should have said that yes, a couple of weeks would be ideal, but there are a lot of us who want to hear this stage so it would be better for someone who doesn't think they have time spare to volunteer themselves down a place or two in the queue until they do have time.

[Floyddroid]

I have to say, Duran Duran's Rio album via my Firebottle plus/modded 1210/Denon 103 is a match made in heaven. Musical as f..k!

[mikeyb]

I have to say, Duran Duran's Rio album via my Firebottle plus/modded 1210/Denon 103 is a match made in heaven. Musical as f..k!
The Firebottle Miracle [emoji5]

[Firebottle]

I have to say, Duran Duran's Rio album via my Firebottle plus/modded 1210/Denon 103 is a match made in heaven. Musical as f..k!

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but Steve you have the two box version, the Firebottle 2. This is a distinct step up from the Plus, mainly due to the use of Mundorf ZN capacitors, apart from the separate psu.

:cool: :) Alan

[Firebottle]

The Firebottle Miracle [emoji5]

Many thanks ........:thumbsup: ............ but there is more performance on the way with the KIN line/phono :eek:

[rossman]

The Firebottle is now on it's way to Tarzan.

I've had a very enjoyable week and a bit with it. I just kept on wanting to listen to music :guitar:

[Tarzan]

Firebottle arrived yesterday- but l was not in.:lol:


It is now plumbed in and playing some choons.:cool:

[Tarzan]

Firebottle blog- ( 2 hours:lol:) a very easy and relaxing listen that is smooth and extremely musical:cool:


What version am l using.:scratch::D

[struth]

think itscthe first one

[Floyddroid]

Eh, wot! woz this???? Kin what? tell me more Mr Bottle.
Many thanks ........:thumbsup: ............ but there is more performance on the way with the KIN line/phono :eek:

[Gordon Steadman]

Eh, wot! woz this???? Kin what? tell me more Mr Bottle.

'e tells me it's 'kin awesome!!

[Audio Al]

'e tells me it's 'kin awesome!!

Always the salesman ;)

[Ali Tait]

Bit more here-

http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?38340-New-project-appearance

[Gordon Steadman]

Always the salesman ;)

I tried selling central heating systems for a month once. As it was mid summer and a heatwave, I don't recall being too successful.

We all know Alan is a friend of mine so I doubt many will take my opinion as fact:lol:. I haven't heard the Kin but I do have the original Phono stage and that is rather nice I must admit.

[Firebottle]

What version am l using.:scratch::D

Hi Andy, the loan unit is the Firebottle Plus.

:)

[Firebottle]

Eh, wot! woz this???? Kin what? tell me more Mr Bottle.

Hi Steve, I have developed a new Firebottle circuit that enables the valve stages to operate in the most linear way possible. This gives lower distortion and much improved drive to succeeding stages, apart from other advantages.

The real benefit for a phono stage is the total absence of alteration to the RIAA equalisation with the spread of valve characteristics and ageing. A lower impedance passive RIAA network can also be used resulting in increased 'drive' to the music. This is a step up in performance from the Firebottle 2, so far I have proven the line stage and am completing the phono stage at present.

:)

[Tarzan]

Hi Andy, the loan unit is the Firebottle Plus.

:)


Thanks Alan.:eek:

[Tarzan]

The Firebottle+ will be posted out Monday...............to the next lucky loanee.:)

[mikeyb]

Hi,

I've registered 12 different Forum names so I can send it to myself for a whole year :eyebrows:

Bob.

[rossman]

The Firebottle+ will be posted out Monday...............to the next lucky loanee.:)

Andy, according to the last list Alan posted it's due to go to Bluebeat13 next.

[Tarzan]

Andy, according to the last list Alan posted it's due to go to Bluebeat13 next.

Ok will PM him, thanks Paul.:)

[Bluebeat13]

Ready and waiting! That actually came round pretty quick. For those thinking the list is long and their day will never come, just stick your name down, it hops along quick enough.

[Aligauld]

Hi Alan,
Sorry to do this at such late notice but I'm having to work away from home for the next few months so could you please remove me from the list at present.

Apologies

Cheers,
Alistair

[Firebottle]

OK no problems, updated list:

Bluebeat13
Elephantears
Soulman
Zoidburg
Sansui111
rdpx
Paul(555)

:)

[paul(555)]

Hi Alan,
I've still got my lounge in bits so can you drop me to the bottom of the list please. In the mean time I've also bought a Croft Super Micro A, so I can have some fun comparing when everything is back together.
Paul.

[Tarzan]

Tom, l have contacted you by PM, can you give a call on the number l gave you.:)

[Tarzan]

The lovely Firebottle Plus is now with Tom ( Bluebeat13.):)

[Bluebeat13]

I'm ready to pass this on, Elephantears is up next?

[Zoidburg]

oo oo oo getting excited now its only a few stops away from me!

Soulman please pm me when you finished enjoying it :-)

[Firebottle]

I'm ready to pass this on, Elephantears is up next?

Send him a pm, that's the usual way.

How did you get on with it?
:)

[Elephantears]

looking forward to trying this. Tom, can you let me know when it's on its way so I can be in for the post?

[Bluebeat13]

Hey Andrew, PM sent regarding possible drop off rather than post.

[Sondekker]

Having simplified my system a few years back to a pre-amp with on-board phono stage (Croft 25R) in order to reduce the number of boxes, power supplies and interconnects etc, I'm getting increasingly curious about this offering......

Could I please be added to the list?

John

[Firebottle]

No problem John, list now:


Elephantears
Soulman
Zoidburg
Sansui111
rdpx
Paul(555)
Sondekker


:)

[Elephantears]

Hey Andrew, PM sent regarding possible drop off rather than post.

Any idea when that might be Tom?

[Bluebeat13]

Wednesday Evening?

[Elephantears]

That's not possible, I'm afraid. Best do this by pm - I've sent one. I think postage would be easiest. As I've said another forum member really wants to hear it whilst I have it. He has been considering buying one for some time now. He is going away on holiday at the weekend so I'd really like to get this sorted so that he can come round and have a good listen whilst he has chance.

[Elephantears]

Just to be clear to those on the list after me - I haven't got the Firebottle yet. Hopefully it will arrive on Thursday as promised.

[karma67]

could i add my name to the list please?

[Firebottle]

No problem Jamie, list now;

Soulman
Zoidburg
Sansui111
rdpx
Paul(555)
Sondekker
jamie123

:)

[Elephantears]

Just a provisional note to say that I've been listening to the Firebottle over the weekend and I think it is really excellent. I've tried it with two different cartridges so far - a Nagaoka MP500 and an AT33EV. You might think they are chalk and cheese, and the Firebottle really brings out the differences very clearly, but crucially it brings out the best of both of them, making their different presentations really compelling. I started with the Nagaoka and found it particularly absorbing on a tonal level, especially with saxophones. But it was also dynamically convincing. I think what this phono stage does is combine tonal naturalism with dynamic naturalism - that is always what I look for in hi-fi, and Alan has achieved it here.

Myself and lost audiophile listened to the Firebaottle with the Nagaoka a couple of nights ago and both of us were wondering how it would perform with a more lean and dynamic MC cart, so after a day or two I switched to the AT33EV. This is in its way just as satisfying with voices and saxophones, even though it is not as rich and full as the Nagaoka. But it brings an extra dynamic dimension; I always thought this cartridge was great with drums and percussion, and this makes jazz recordings as well as rock very compelling.

With the Firebottle it never sounds like the valves are adding too much richness or compromising the dynamics. I am really enjoying both the most dynamic jazz recordings and lean punk records. I listened to The Minutemen's 'Double Nickels on a Dime' all the way through for the first time - all 45 songs! I've listened to several of Coltrane's recordings on Atlantic and the saxophone has just the right tonal balance, so that you can hear the slightly nasal edge of the metal Link mouthpiece but it doesn't dominate (this can happen very easily with the Atlantic Coltrane if the system has any tendency towards brightness).

Over the next couple of days I'd like to listen to more classical recordings through the Firebottle and try one more cartridge. I'd be interested to hear what it makes of my cheap Grado wood body, or a Music Maker.

It's clear to me already that Alan has managed to get that overall balance of attributes that makes music compelling. I'm most impressed.

[Mike g]

Elephanteers - I own a firebottle (possibly serial number 1 - would need to check) and was using a music maker with it until I trashed the cantilever. You are in for a treat when you try the music maker and firebottle combo :lol:p

[struth]

I enjoyed my Firebottle, and it sounded great on all my carts. Its at a level that its difficult to dismiss if you want a bit of valve in your records. Sure a big company would be charging 2/3 times as much

[Soulman]

I'm away for 2 weeks from the 8th of August so it may be better if I can drop a couple of spots down the list and have it on loan in September if that's ok?

[Firebottle]

OK folks, list re-jigged:

Zoidburg
Sansui111
Soulman
rdpx
Paul(555)
Sondekker
jamie123
banjoman

:)

Oh and thanks for the praise Elephantears :thumbsup:

[Elephantears]

Ok, I've got Zoidburg's details and will post this as soon as I can get a courier.

[banjoman]

I just met Elephantears (Andrew) today and he strongly recommended I try out the Firebottle.
Could I add my name to the loaner list please?

Thanks

Deba


Ok, I've got Zoidburg's details and will post this as soon as I can get a courier.

[Firebottle]

OK Deba, done.

[Elephantears]

Bad timing! If I'd known Deba was looking for a new phono stage I would have made sure he heard the Firebottle, but it was all packed up when we met and is now on it's way to Zoidburg. I will post more comments on this in the future, but just to reiterate how good it is. I'm not sure why others aren't commenting; is there another thread for this? Anyway, it has become a favourite for me. If it had come a couple of months ago I would have bought it but I recently bought something else at a much higher price level (more than x4) which is also very good. But it's not really about price; some things just have that balance and that rightness you can't easily define. I hope more people hear this in the Firebottle.

One small note; the box for the PSU is very loose. It clips back on fine so I'm sure there's no danger but I thought I'd mention it.

[Firebottle]

One small note; the box for the PSU is very loose. It clips back on fine so I'm sure there's no danger but I thought I'd mention it.

Thanks for that Andrew.
Zoidburg when you receive it would you mind applying a little super glue to the PSU case join line, can't have any risk, thanks.

It's probably all the travelling it's done :doh:

:cool: Alan

[Zoidburg]

Received the fb yesterday and initial impressions are very good. Only had limited time with it but so far so good. Will check out the PSU before its sent onwards after the weekend if that's OK.

Cheers

Ben

[supapeet]

Hi, can I be added to the list please.

[Firebottle]

OK Peter, done:

Soulman
rdpx
Paul(555)
Sondekker
jamie123
banjoman
supapeet

:)

[Sansui111]

Hi Alan,
Sorry for my late reply to all the guys here who are after me but I decided to go in another direction with my audio system, sorry.. Alan, please remove me from the list and keep going futher with such a nice concept.
Regards,
Tautvilas

[Firebottle]

OK Tautvilas, I hope your other direction is straight and true :)

List now as above.

[Zoidburg]

PM on its way to soulman shortly re posting on the FB.

Thanks again Alan, its a wonderful phono stage. I will also be PMing you later to discuss a purchase.

cheers

Ben

[Zoidburg]

Just Noticed Soulman is away for 2 weeks at present, can I keep it for a bit longer :-)

[mike1210]

Hello, can I be added to the list please :-)

Mike

[Firebottle]

OK Mike,

Soulman
rdpx
Paul(555)
Sondekker
jamie123
banjoman
supapeet
Mike1210

[Zoidburg]

Have contacted soul man twice now via pm with out reply so unless I hear from him I will contact rdpx and get it posted off tomorrow.

[Zoidburg]

FB now posted on to Soulman (should have it today if not tomorrow).

Thanks for the loan Alan, was very much appreciated, and I cant wait for my very on FB+ to arrive now!

[Soulman]

Arrived safely, going to plug it in and start listening this evening....

[Soulman]

Contacted Robert (rdpx) and he's asked to be mssed out so will PM Paul(555)

[rdpx]

Contacted Robert (rdpx) and he's asked to be mssed out so will PM Paul(555)

Cheers Des.... I don't need the risk of my phono stage being shown up just now as any spare money is ring-fenced elsewhere, but I am sure I will want to try it out one of these days...
Robert

[Soulman]

Sent Paul(555) a second message today, how long shall I give him before trying the next in line?

[Firebottle]

Leave it a couple of days. Maybe send an e-mail as well if his account is set up for it :cool:

[paul(555)]

Sorry for not paying attention. Now PM'd Des and asked to pass for now as the house and main system are still in bits.
Paul.

[Sondekker]

Sent my address details to Soulman in response to his request some six days ago but have not heard from him. I have today agreed to exchange my tonearm for a new one and so will be without the ability to try the Firebottle for one possibly two weeks (also need to acquire a new tonearm cable with din plug connector) and so have PM'd Soulman again today to suggest that if he hasn't yet posted the Firebottle to me perhaps I could drop a place on the waiting list....

Will await his response.

John

[karma67]

sweet as,im up next :)

[banjoman]

sweet as,im up next :)

Yea! And I'm after you!

[Sondekker]

Have just been contacted by Soulman (who's been away) and have suggested he send to the next on the list. I have today paid for my new tonearm which is built to order and will not be with me for nearly two weeks.

I would like to slip a place on the list if that's okay with everyone?

[Soulman]

Pm the next in line, sorry about this week, was called away on a family issue...

[karma67]

arrived today safe and sound. :)

[karma67]

I have today agreed to exchange my tonearm for a new one and so will be without the ability to try the Firebottle for one possibly two weeks (also need to acquire a new tonearm cable with din plug connector) and so have PM'd Soulman again today to suggest that if he hasn't yet posted the Firebottle to me perhaps I could drop a place on the waiting list....

Will await his response.

John

so who's next then? banjoman or sondekker ?

[Sondekker]

My new tonearm arrived yesterday and will be installed today. According to the manufacturer it will take around two weeks for the wires and components to settle and sound its best so I am happy for banjoman to receive next and to take my turn after him.

Thanks

John

[banjoman]

My new tonearm arrived yesterday and will be installed today. According to the manufacturer it will take around two weeks for the wires and components to settle and sound its best so I am happy for banjoman to receive next and to take my turn after him.

Thanks

John

That's good of you John.
Will happily be the next in line

[karma67]

pm sent to banjoman requesting address details :)

[supapeet]

So it's:

Banjoman
Sondekker
Supapeet

[Sondekker]

That's good with me :)

[banjoman]

A package arrived yesterday for me - assume its the firebottle - thanks Jamie. Been away on work so havent had a chance to open it yet - but will give it a go tonight

[banjoman]

Quick update from me
Had the firebottle for about a week now and I am well impressed.

Compared to my Croft R phono stage, I initially felt the sound to be lighter and airier, especially in the bass, but with more detail and better separation.
Initial comparison with my old faithful Trichord Delphini also went favourably for the Firebottle and clearly showed that its the Croft that is the fullest and warmest of them all.

I've now spent a few evenings with the Firebottle and have really got used to it , especially the slight 'lightness' that surprised me initially. Its a beautiful mix of detail and smoothness without loss of dynamics. It doesnt have any obvious tube warmth - in fact the treble is as well extended as any phono stage I've heard - but its wonderfully smooth and musical.

Alan has done a superb job with this one!
I think I'll probably order one from Alan, but having impulsively bought a Tellurium Iridium phono stage here, I need to first give that a try as well.

I was planning to mail this out tomorrow but will have to travel on work - so will be able to pass this on to Sondekker later this week

Sondekker - will PM you for address details later

[karma67]

I really liked it too,although their wasn't much in it and the Nakamichi ca5 otherwise i would have bought one.

[banjoman]

On its way to Sondekker now
I've really enjoyed the Firebottle plus.

Thanks a lot, Alan!

[Sondekker]

The Firebottle has now arrived safely with me and will hopefully be installed into my system tonight. I am looking forward to comparing it against the internal phono stage of my own modified Croft 25R over the next week or so.

Will detail my thoughts in due course before making arrangements to send it on its way to Supapeet.

John

[Jimbo]

The Firebottle has now arrived safely with me and will hopefully be installed into my system tonight. I am looking forward to comparing it against the internal phono stage of my own modified Croft 25R over the next week or so.

Will detail my thoughts in due course before making arrangements to send it on its way to Supapeet.

John

Looking forward to your comparison on this one John as I have already done this evaluation myself.

[Sondekker]

Well after a week and a half I can report that the Firebottle was posted to Supapeet today and should be with him by Thursday.

It has been a very interesting, worthwhile and ultimately confusing experience for me. First of all, like many who've gone before me I'd like to congratulate Alan on producing a very fine sounding phono-stage and for his generosity in making this available for home trial.

As previously indicated, I wanted to compare the FB against the internal phono-stage in my modded (12bh7) Croft 25R. To put things in context, I have followed this hifi obsession for some 40 years and until a couple of years ago I had always used solid state amplification and had owned a fair few s/s phono-stages. However, in response to growing domestic pressure from you-know-who, I decided that I'd had enough of a system of endless separate boxes, power supplies and the inevitable tangled mess of interconnects.

I decided to satisfy my long held curiosity about valves and bought the 25R on account of Glenn's reputation together with the undoubted attraction of a single box replacing the four that went before it. I have since bought a 7R and have been fairly happy with the sound I get despite simplifying my system. However, despite following Glenn's advice and upgrading the valves in the phono-stage I always thought there was more performance to be had, hence my curiosity in trying the FB.

I currently run a Lyra Delos through a Cinemag SUT into the Croft and when I installed the FB I decided to try it on its MC setting first. I was impressed with what I heard and after a couple of days listening I thought it offered a little more detail and transparency through the mid-range and upper frequencies. My conclusion was that FB had shaded it and was just slightly better. I then decided to try the FB on its MM setting with my Cinemag SUT introduced back into the replay chain in order to more accurately replicate my normal system.

This is where I experienced some issues. No matter what I did in terms of where I sited the various components of my system I could not get rid of a significant amount of hum. After contacting Alan for any suggestions I tried a number of different earth wire connections one of which reduced the degree of hum considerably, although even at this level the hum was still evident and intrusive. My other observation was that like Banjoman, I too found a loss of bass presence and lower register weight in this configuration. Conversely, through my SUT I thought the midrange and upper frequencies were even more detailed and transparent which just seemed to accentuate the missing bass response.

After a number of further days listening I finished by switching back to the MC setting on the FB and my overall conclusion was that in the context of my particular system, the FB on MC setting was best and I felt satisfied that a separate phono-stage was worth acquiring.......but I didn't want to forego use of a SUT which I know offers even more sound quality improvements in better quality versions.

For that reason alone, I decided that much though I recognised the sound quality of the FB, it just didn't work well in my system when used on its MM setting with my SUT.

My confusion relates to the fact that having re-inserted my SUT and connecting back into the Croft, I have had had a day off work today and have listened to a few albums through the Croft phono -stage and lo and behold it has sounded excellent with a well-weighted and solid bass underpinning the sound through my system. I don't think I'm sure anymore which one I prefer... :doh:

[Firebottle]

Very interesting there John.
If I may make a couple of observations, the base model Firebottle Plus is now improved in a number of areas, namely a little more bass 'weight', more air and 'space' at the top registers plus reduced distortion and lower output impedance.

The Croft also has a non RIAA bass lift in its frequency response so will always appear more 'well-weighted' as you describe.

:cool: Alan

[Sondekker]

Thanks Alan,

I recall you mentioning when we liaised about my hum problem that your current Firebottle Plus did now offer some 'trickle down' improvements from the Firebottle KIN preamp, although you didn't explain in any detail the sonic effects of these improvements. I believe the extra information you have now provided will be very useful to those who've already tried the FB and those that have yet to do so.

Having just read what I originally posted again I would just want to take this opportunity to clarify that my comments and findings were not intended to in any way suggest that the FB is a poor sounding unit. That is definitely not the case and I would want to stress that my comments were just my best effort at describing what were generally marginal differences in the context of my system.

Thanks again.

[Marco]

The Croft also has a non RIAA bass lift in its frequency response so will always appear more 'well-weighted' as you describe.


Which Croft are we talking about here, Alan? Is it part of the new or old range? Mine, a modified Charisma-X (measurably) possesses no such "bass lift' :)

Marco.

[Jimbo]

Well after a week and a half I can report that the Firebottle was posted to Supapeet today and should be with him by Thursday.

It has been a very interesting, worthwhile and ultimately confusing experience for me. First of all, like many who've gone before me I'd like to congratulate Alan on producing a very fine sounding phono-stage and for his generosity in making this available for home trial.

As previously indicated, I wanted to compare the FB against the internal phono-stage in my modded (12bh7) Croft 25R. To put things in context, I have followed this hifi obsession for some 40 years and until a couple of years ago I had always used solid state amplification and had owned a fair few s/s phono-stages. However, in response to growing domestic pressure from you-know-who, I decided that I'd had enough of a system of endless separate boxes, power supplies and the inevitable tangled mess of interconnects.

I decided to satisfy my long held curiosity about valves and bought the 25R on account of Glenn's reputation together with the undoubted attraction of a single box replacing the four that went before it. I have since bought a 7R and have been fairly happy with the sound I get despite simplifying my system. However, despite following Glenn's advice and upgrading the valves in the phono-stage I always thought there was more performance to be had, hence my curiosity in trying the FB.

I currently run a Lyra Delos through a Cinemag SUT into the Croft and when I installed the FB I decided to try it on its MC setting first. I was impressed with what I heard and after a couple of days listening I thought it offered a little more detail and transparency through the mid-range and upper frequencies. My conclusion was that FB had shaded it and was just slightly better. I then decided to try the FB on its MM setting with my Cinemag SUT introduced back into the replay chain in order to more accurately replicate my normal system.

This is where I experienced some issues. No matter what I did in terms of where I sited the various components of my system I could not get rid of a significant amount of hum. After contacting Alan for any suggestions I tried a number of different earth wire connections one of which reduced the degree of hum considerably, although even at this level the hum was still evident and intrusive. My other observation was that like Banjoman, I too found a loss of bass presence and lower register weight in this configuration. Conversely, through my SUT I thought the midrange and upper frequencies were even more detailed and transparent which just seemed to accentuate the missing bass response.

After a number of further days listening I finished by switching back to the MC setting on the FB and my overall conclusion was that in the context of my particular system, the FB on MC setting was best and I felt satisfied that a separate phono-stage was worth acquiring.......but I didn't want to forego use of a SUT which I know offers even more sound quality improvements in better quality versions.

For that reason alone, I decided that much though I recognised the sound quality of the FB, it just didn't work well in my system when used on its MM setting with my SUT.

My confusion relates to the fact that having re-inserted my SUT and connecting back into the Croft, I have had had a day off work today and have listened to a few albums through the Croft phono -stage and lo and behold it has sounded excellent with a well-weighted and solid bass underpinning the sound through my system. I don't think I'm sure anymore which one I prefer... :doh:

Hi John I have quickly read your excellent review and will comment more a little later but your last paragraph rings a bell with myself. I did not use the FB MC stage but have evaluated all his MM phono stages against the Croft and Initially I have been impressed until I went back to my modified 25R and I stopped and thought about what I was listening. I agree the FB does sound detailed and transparent in the top end but so does the Croft but with with more meat on the bone in the lower registers.

I think its a matter of considering the Firebottle just different, certainly not better. At the end of the day it comes down to a difference in the presentation of the music and the overall balance of the Croft I found more compelling and ultimately more satisfying.

[Firebottle]

Which Croft are we talking about here, Alan?

New range, the 25(R).

[banjoman]

I also did quite an extensive comparison of my modded Croft 25R with the FB plus MM input.
Overall, I found a lot more detail and space with the FB plus but found it lacking in bass and fullness. While I love my Croft 25R immensely, it is a bit too full and rather fruity in the bass which can get too much sometimes.
An FB plus with a bit more weight in the bass would be perfect for me

Sondekker - can I check what tubes you used in the phono stage of your Croft 25R (I use Briar CV4004 in the phono and Sylvania 12BH7A in the line)



Hi John I have quickly read your excellent review and will comment more a little later but your last paragraph rings a bell with myself. I did not use the FB MC stage but have evaluated all his MM phono stages against the Croft and Initially I have been impressed until I went back to my modified 25R and I stopped and thought about what I was listening. I agree the FB does sound detailed and transparent in the top end but so does the Croft but with with more meat on the bone in the lower registers.

I think its a matter of considering the Firebottle just different, certainly not better. At the end of the day it comes down to a difference in the presentation of the music and the overall balance of the Croft I found more compelling and ultimately more satisfying.

[Marco]

New range, the 25(R).

No worries, thanks for the clarification :)

Marco.

[Sondekker]

I also did quite an extensive comparison of my modded Croft 25R with the FB plus MM input.
Overall, I found a lot more detail and space with the FB plus but found it lacking in bass and fullness. While I love my Croft 25R immensely, it is a bit too full and rather fruity in the bass which can get too much sometimes.
An FB plus with a bit more weight in the bass would be perfect for me

Sondekker - can I check what tubes you used in the phono stage of your Croft 25R (I use Briar CV4004 in the phono and Sylvania 12BH7A in the line)


On Glenn's recommendation I am currently using a pair of original Tesla ECC83's in the phono stage and have an unbranded 12bh7 in the linestage that Glenn inserted himself when modifying my 25R. I did purchase a NOS Brimar 12bh7 with square getter some time ago but unfortunately it went microphonic within a couple of weeks. In the short time I used it I could not put my hand on my heart and say that I noticed any significant improvement over the unbranded 12bh7.

Having said that, I would welcome any observations anyone might have with regard to any specific brand/version of 12bh7 that works well in a 25R........ :)

[Jimbo]

K
On Glenn's recommendation I am currently using a pair of original Tesla ECC83's in the phono stage and have an unbranded 12bh7 in the linestage that Glenn inserted himself when modifying my 25R. I did purchase a NOS Brimar 12bh7 with square getter some time ago but unfortunately it went microphonic within a couple of weeks. In the short time I used it I could not put my hand on my heart and say that I noticed any significant improvement over the unbranded 12bh7.

Having said that, I would welcome any observations anyone might have with regard to any specific brand/version of 12bh7 that works well in a 25R........ :)

Hi John, I use an RCA 12BH7a in the line stage which sounds very good. If you want something more airy try a GE.

[Marco]

I wonder if Glenn introduces this "bass lift" in the 25R, in an attempt to ameliorate the inherently thin and rather reedy sounding nature of small signal valves, such as ECC83s, compared with the larger octal variety (6SL7s) he used in older designs, such as the Epoch and Charisma?

Just a thought, because in my experience, whenever you compare similar products (amps or phono stages), using either of those types of valves, the sonic signature derived from their use is immediately obvious - and let's not forget that any valve design is largely governed by the electrical requirements of the valves chosen, and with it their inherent sonic signature.

Marco.

[Jimbo]

There is a reason Glenn used ECC83 valves rather than the larger octal valves and I think you will find it has more to do with the microphonic nature of the larger valves. My 25R does not sound reedy as a consequence of using ECC83 valves and I am sure many of the American top end valve preamps using smaller valves do not either.

I think power supply and circuit design have more of an influence on a bigger sound as it were rather than the size of the valves themselves?

[Marco]

To an extent that's true, James. However, years of experience of tube rolling and using/hearing different types of valves, and associated equipment, has taught me that different valves possess different sonic signatures, even when used in the same circuit, e.g. a Russian 6H9C sounds quite different from an ECC35, although both officially belong to the 6SL7 family.

As a general rule (though not a fact), the larger the valve, the 'bigger' and weightier, more effortless it sounds - and if you produced two preamps, using a similar design topology, one using ECC83s, and the other with 6SL7s (or 6SN7s), trust me you would hear where I'm coming from (and not just because of how either were implemented into their respective circuits). That is why I think Glenn has introduced this measured 'bass lift', in order to get a 'meatier sound' from the smaller signal valves he now uses :)

The microphonic issue you refer to is correct, but of course in order to eliminate that effect, all one has to do is use valves in the first place that aren't microphonic... ;)

Anyway, all this will become blatantly clear when you visit me in the new year, and bring your Croft over for a sesh :cool:

Marco.

[Jimbo]

To an extent that's true, James. However, years of experience of tube rolling and using/hearing different types of valves, and associated equipment, has taught me that different valves possess different sonic signatures, even when used in the same circuit, e.g. a Russian 6H9C sounds quite different from an ECC35, although both officially belong to the 6SL7 family.

As a general rule (though not a fact), the larger the valve, the 'bigger' and weightier, more effortless it sounds - and if you produced two preamps, using a similar design topology, one using ECC83s, and the other with 6SL7s (or 6SN7s), trust me you would hear where I'm coming from (and not just because of how either were implemented into their respective circuits). That is why I think Glenn has introduced this measured 'bass lift', in order to get a 'meatier sound' from the smaller signal valves he now uses :)

The microphonic issue you refer to is correct, but of course in order to eliminate that effect, all one has to do is use valves that aren't microphonic... ;)

Anyway, all this will become blatantly clear when you visit me in the new year, and bring your Croft over for a sesh :cool:

Marco.


Looking forward to that Marco, will be really interesting to compare the two Croft preamps side by side. In your system any differences I am sure will be exposed with great clarity.

I will bring the VPI for a spin as well:)

[Marco]

Cool - should be fun! :cool:

Marco.

[Firebottle]

Would this get together be in January by any chance?
Can I tag along with my KIN line/phono preamp as well?

:)

[Marco]

Yeah, Alan, sure. That would make it even more interesting! :)

Marco.

[supapeet]

Firebottle has arrived safely and very well packaged. Will have a listen over the next week or so.

[Jimification]

Hello, could I be added to the firebottle (+?) loan list, please?

many thanks!

[Firebottle]

No problem Jim.

After Supapeet it will be with Dan (not of this parish), then

Someguy
Jimification

:cool:

[Jimification]

Thanks Alan :)

[YNWaN]

Alan (happy Christmas), if it is possible I would like to try the Fire Bottle (MC), but I quite understand if this is not on.

[mike1210]

OK Mike,

Soulman
rdpx
Paul(555)
Sondekker
jamie123
banjoman
supapeet
Mike1210

Am I still on the list?

Mike :-)

[Firebottle]

Oh dear, I knew this thread would catch up with me, or rather my deteriorating memory.

Sorry Mike, can I slot you in after Someguy, that would prevent any protracted e-mail exchange?

So if that's OK then the list will be:

Someguy
Mike1210
Jimification
YNWaN

Cheers folks :cool:

[mike1210]

Aye that's cool :-)

[supapeet]

Alan, the Firebottle is boxed up and ready to be sent tomorrow as my local Post Office is closed today. I'll post a few thoughts later.

[supapeet]

The Firebottle has been posted today and should arrive before 1pm tomorrow. I'm really grateful to Alan for letting me have it on loan. I have a Michell Orbe SE, Musical Fidelity Integrated Amp 3.2 and Monitor Audio Gold floorstanders. My phono stage is a Schitt Mani for which I paid £129.00.

I found the Firebottle gave an overall better listening experience. There was a far better soundstage and individual instruments and voices had more definition and presence. There was more clarity to the sound and more depth in the lower end without losing anything from the mid range or top. On some recordings this increase in the bass became a little overpowering and the bass definition was lost. That would be my only criticism which I suppose is determined by those particular recordings. Overall I enjoyed it very much and I know Alan has made some improvements to later versions of the Firebottle.

Thanks once again.

[SomeGuy]

Could my name be knocked off the loaner list please? I have a busy couple of months ahead & don't feel I'll be able to give the Firebottle a fair comparison as a result.

thanks.

[Firebottle]

It may have already been sent Mykee. Just checking.

OK, the loan unit has been sent out to you Mykee on Monday.

List now:

Mike1210
Jimification
YNWaN

:)

[YNWaN]

I'm afraid I must put my loan on hold too as I am also extremely busy and it wouldn't be fair to others (unless they are prepared to wait). How long is one allowed to loan it for?

[Firebottle]

Some have had it for a number of weeks. If there isn't the demand then that's fine.

[YNWaN]

Oh well, that's OK then, I don't want to put anyone out though :).

[SomeGuy]

Arrived yesterday (collected from neighbour this evening).

I'm sure I'll find some time over the next few days to give it a whirl.

[mac72]

How much Firebottle cost (MM version)?
There seems to be Firebottle plus version , what's the difference , I understand it uses tubes amI right?

[Firebottle]

Hi Slav, yes they are tube based, see http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?40005-Saying-Hello

:)