Intergrated amplifiers

[hard1175]

Hi guy's
I'm looking at buying a new intergrated amp
Have any of you owned or demed either a Perreaux eloquence 250i or a Modwright audio KWI 200
I would be greatful for any views you have on these amps.

Regards
Bernie

[Spectral Morn]

Hi guy's
I'm looking at buying a new intergrated amp
Have any of you owned or demed either a Perreaux eloquence 250i or a Modwright audio KWI 200
I would be greatful for any views you have on these amps.

Regards
Bernie

Some idea of budget and the rest of your system would be very helpful



Regards Neil

[hard1175]

The rest of the system is
Mitchell Gyro SE, arm RB300, cartridge Sumiko blue point special evo3, CD player Olive audio 4, Speakers Proac tablette annerversery with a BK electronics xls 200 sub woofer.

Bernie

[Spectral Morn]

The rest of the system is
Mitchell Gyro SE, arm RB300, cartridge Sumiko blue point special evo3, CD player Olive audio 4, Speakers Proac tablette annerversery with a BK electronics xls 200 sub woofer.

Bernie

and budget, what you can spend?


Regards Neil

[southall-1998]

The rest of the system is
Mitchell Gyro SE, arm RB300, cartridge Sumiko blue point special evo3, CD player Olive audio 4, Speakers Proac tablette annerversery with a BK electronics xls 200 sub woofer.

Bernie

Perhaps take a look at Sugden.

S.

[Spectral Morn]

Perhaps take a look at Sugden.

S.

I was thinking that as an option too..... but the amp may need a sub out if that's how the subwoofer is being run. However if its being run from the speaker terminals then skys the limit re options.

A 35 watt (or upwards) class A valve amp would be an option too.


Regards Neil

[Martyn Miles]

Hi guy's
I'm looking at buying a new intergrated amp
Have any of you owned or demed either a Perreaux eloquence 250i or a Modwright audio KWI 200
I would be greatful for any views you have on these amps.

Regards
Bernie

Integrated...

[hard1175]

I'm looking at spending 4000 / 4500

[southall-1998]

Integrated...

This is not a spelling class :rolleyes:

S.

[synsei]

This is not a spelling class :rolleyes:

S.

Thnak duck 4 htat... :carrot:

[Martyn Miles]

This is not a spelling class :rolleyes:

S.

I agree, but standards in English language need to be maintained.
How would you feel if someone spelt your name wrong ?

[synsei]

To be fair Martyn this is not a forum dedicated to literary standards, it is but a humble hifi forum. As an aside, I know a couple of gentlemen who are scientific geniuses and yet neither of them can spell for toffee. Do I pick them up on their dreadful spelling? Of course not as I have far too much respect for both them and their work and anyway it would be churlish of me to do so ;)

[Martyn Miles]

To be fair Martyn this is not a forum dedicated to literary standards, it is but a humble hifi forum. As an aside, I know a couple of gentlemen who are scientific geniuses and yet neither of them can spell for toffee. Do I pick them up on their dreadful spelling? Of course not as I have far too much respect for both them and their work and anyway it would be churlish of me to do so ;)

Point taken.
An Academic I worked with at Oxford University is a case in point.
His capillaries were spelt 'capilliaries .
Mind you, quite a few people have trouble with that word...

[synsei]

Point taken.
An Academic I worked with at Oxford University is a case in point.
His capillaries were spelt 'capilliaries .
Mind you, quite a few people have trouble with that word...

Indeed... One of the gentlemen I mentioned is a chemist and he spells it 'capilliaries' too, I wonder if they studied the same course? :lol:

I was brought up to speak 'proper' and you would often hear my mum berating me for using 'ain't' for example, or telling me off for dropping my H's. "Hospital begins with the letter 'H' David - It's hospital not 'ospi(t)ul'...". It was always 'David' on such occasions, with the emphasis on the last syllable... :D

[Tarzan]

I agree, but standards in English language need to be maintained.
How would you feel if someone spelt your name wrong ?

Should that read, " spelt your name incorrectly." - Just a thought.

[Martyn Miles]

Should that read, " spelt your name incorrectly." - Just a thought.

You are absolutely correct.
I put it down to 1.15am after a long day out...

[Tarzan]

You are absolutely correct.
I put it down to 1.15am after a long day out...


No probs- sorry l meant no problem.:)

[Reffc]

Hi guy's
I'm looking at buying a new intergrated amp
Have any of you owned or demed either a Perreaux eloquence 250i or a Modwright audio KWI 200
I would be greatful for any views you have on these amps.

Regards
Bernie

I'm sorry to see that most posters to date seem to be more engrossed in having a literary related argument instead of answering your question Bernard ;)

I have heard the Perreaux which I think would be a very good match with your speakers. Forget weedy 35wpc amps with the Proacs. I owned a pair of these (and some Ref 8 Signatures) and you really do need much more grunt with them to control them at volume, particularly in the bass. The Perreaux has more than enough power for the proacs which are not particularly sensitive nor the easiest load in the LF region to control despite the relatively benign nominal impedance. I have also had on demo a Perreaux Audiant 80i which also proved to be a cracking amplifier but possibly still lacking in enough grunt for the little Proacs if your tastes include rock played at high volume.

My experiences with the Proacs was that anything much under 100wpc wasn't all that successful at controlling the cones when playing bass heavy material at volume. Even my (then) Rega 80wpc pre/power set up struggled and it was only when I hooked the Rega Pre up with a Quad 909 that the little proacs really started to sing and were kept tightly under control.

How this translates with your sub in the picture, I don't know. You may be able to get away with something less meaty when using an active sub since most of the power requirements are needed for programme material sub 1KHz.

I can only advise without the sub in the picture, but generally speaking, over-specifying amplification is rarely as problematical as under specifying with regard to power output. Personally, I'd go with the Perreaux as a pretty safe bet and it allows flexibility for future speaker purchases too.

[Tarzan]

I'm sorry to see that most posters to date seem to be more engrossed in having a literary related argument instead of answering your question Bernard ;)

I have heard the Perreaux which I think would be a very good match with your speakers. Forget weedy 35wpc amps with the Proacs. I owned a pair of these (and some Ref 8 Signatures) and you really do need much more grunt with them to control them at volume, particularly in the bass. The Perreaux has more than enough power for the proacs which are not particularly sensitive nor the easiest load in the LF region to control despite the relatively benign nominal impedance. I have also had on demo a Perreaux Audiant 80i which also proved to be a cracking amplifier but possibly still lacking in enough grunt for the little Proacs if your tastes include rock played at high volume.

My experiences with the Proacs was that anything much under 100wpc wasn't all that successful at controlling the cones when playing bass heavy material at volume. Even my (then) Rega 80wpc pre/power set up struggled and it was only when I hooked the Rega Pre up with a Quad 909 that the little proacs really started to sing and were kept tightly under control.

How this translates with your sub in the picture, I don't know. You may be able to get away with something less meaty when using an active sub since most of the power requirements are needed for programme material sub 1KHz.

I can only advise without the sub in the picture, but generally speaking, over-specifying amplification is rarely as problematical as under specifying with regard to power output. Personally, I'd go with the Perreaux as a pretty safe bet and it allows flexibility for future speaker purchases too.


Spot on Paul, l have owned and enjoyed a good few ProAc loudspeakers and in my book you do not get to hear what they are capable of unless given a lot of power behind them.

[awkwardbydesign]

Point taken.
An Academic I worked with at Oxford University is a case in point.
His capillaries were spelt 'capilliaries .
Mind you, quite a few people have trouble with that word...
Is it one of these?
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5117/6964560634_0e25d4a40b_z.jpg

[Tarzan]

:)

[Thebiglebowski]

+2 for the Sugden.

I have had both the A21a and the A21a2L with ProAc Response 1sc and it's a great pairing. Not a huge amount of difference between the two amps but the series 2 just edges it with the extra power and control.

[hard1175]

Paul
Thanks for the advice I shall try and get a demonstration.

Bernie

[hard1175]

Martin
Thanks for the advice on the ampplifiers it really helped.

Bernie

[Anthony K]

Look towards luxman accuphase and mcintosh....you can some sale bargains or ex dem units in the new year

[hard1175]

Thanks Anthony

Bernie

[hifinutt]

there are an awful ot of people who like the modwright option and its great to have a very good uk dealer in Malvern . I would be going for that option

[Andrei]

Bernard
I've had the Perreaux Eloquence 250 in my system but not heard it with ProAcs. These things are so well built that you will end up leaving them to your grand-children. They have a high Class A bias (about 13 watts) but will not overheat on extended listening. In terms of sound they are similar to ATC SIA150 and my one word description would be 'effortless'. I read the review in Hi-Fi world and in my humble opinion the author did not gild the lily.

[Mika K]

As McIntosh has already been mentioned I can recommend to try out MA-2275 integrated. It has similar KT88 based topology than legendary MC-275 power amp does, and pretty capable preamp section too with decent tube MM phonostage. Also extra pair of preamp outs for the subwoofer if needed. I have one of these in use with my system and it sounds absolutely stunning, plenty of control being valve amp with really special midrange and non fatiguing treble. I think this should match nicely with Proacs.

At the moment these seem to be pretty cheap at 2nd hand e.g. from Sweden http://hifimagasinet.com/fannonsDetalj.asp?annonsID=3045

[Spectral Morn]

Spot on Paul, l have owned and enjoyed a good few ProAc loudspeakers and in my book you do not get to hear what they are capable of unless given a lot of power behind them.

Some models yes, but not the Tablets, my experience contradicts Paul's but there you go that's audio for you, no one true valid experience.

I had wonderful experiences with Tablets and a 25 watt Class A Audio Innovations amp, no drive issues.


Regards Neil

[killie99]

I used a Perreaux 150 for about a year, stunningly good amp, built like a tank and I thought I'd never sell it as I wouldn't find something better, but I did. Luxman L550aii. Maybe a wee bit underpowered for your speakers (it's rated at 20W per channel but that must be a very conservative 20W) but you could get the L509u which is 120W per channel. Main difference between the 2 is class A and class AB. I know this is heresy for some people, but the real BIG plus of this amp are the tone controls and the loudness button. Don't think I could go back to an amp without these.

[Yomanze]

I'm looking at spending 4000 / 4500

This puts you into LFD NCSE MK2 territory.

[MikeMusic]

I'm very happy with my Chord CPM2600 driving Isobariks on my 2nd system
Current model at that level seems to be CPM2650 at £4,890.00

Buy 2nd hand then !

:)

Edit
There is also this !
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161513382294?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Edit 2
and this, nice price !
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111559011391?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[montesquieu]

Point taken.
An Academic I worked with at Oxford University is a case in point.
His capillaries were spelt 'capilliaries .
Mind you, quite a few people have trouble with that word...

Could be worse ... in parts of New Zealand (I lived there in the 90s) 'pacific' (for 'specific') appeared to be an accepted usage. Along with similar horrors.

You need a lot more valve watts than that 25 or so to get the Proarcs singing as they are capable. I think the Macintosh is a sensible recommentation. Hard to get the power in a valve integrated though. Lyngdorf might be an option, with the advantage of their room tuning capability? It's a route I'd be going down if I wasn't firmly in the valve camp, I've been very impressed by what I've heard.

[roob]

How about a used Rega Osiris?

[MikeMusic]

If anything like an Isis an Osiris will deliver superb VFM

[Andrei]

Could be worse ... in parts of New Zealand (I lived there in the 90s) 'pacific' (for 'specific') appeared to be an accepted usage. Along with similar horrors.

You need a lot more valve watts than that 25 or so to get the Proarcs singing as they are capable. I think the Macintosh is a sensible recommentation. Hard to get the power in a valve integrated though. Lyngdorf might be an option, with the advantage of their room tuning capability? It's a route I'd be going down if I wasn't firmly in the valve camp, I've been very impressed by what I've heard.
Just cause we are in the Specific Ocean doesn't mean you can make fun of us. ;)

[struth]

...or as Del boy would say...."Could you be more pasific" :rolleyes:

[montesquieu]

Just cause we are in the Specific Ocean doesn't mean you can make fun of us. ;)


Napier? You can't really make fun of a place where you can nip down the local winery and come back with a case of some of the best in the world.

To wash down the fush'n'chups of course :ner:

(Crab Farm was my favourite from Hawkes Bay area, not one they ship over here sadly. So called I was told because the vines are on land brought up in the '31 quake and the ground is full of dead crustaceans!)

[hard1175]

Guy's
Thankyou for all your help and recomendations you've giving a lot to think about in due course i shall let you know the out come.

Regards
Bernie

[hard1175]

Well just to let you know I went for the Modwright KWI 200.
Once again thanks for all your help.

Bernie

[petrat]

Well just to let you know I went for the Modwright KWI 200.
Once again thanks for all your help.

Bernie

Good choice :clap: