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PaulStewart
22-09-2014, 00:25
just a warning for those who think this method is a good idea
http://youtu.be/ziuYF86sUag
Audio Al
22-09-2014, 00:59
Why did he use Evo stick
I though you should use PVA
Not that glue would get anywhere near my records :eek:
PaulStewart
22-09-2014, 02:16
Why did he use Evo stick
Because he's a twunt I guess...... But it's good for a tin bath (laugh for those who don't parlez cockney:lol: )
Gordon Steadman
22-09-2014, 05:07
I tried it with an old single and it worked very well indeed. The PVA peeled off very easily in one big sheet and left the record very shiny and it played silently afterwards. I still wouldn't do it to my precious LPs though.
If you do it properly and use the proper stuff it does work pretty effectively, but it is messy and takes an age to dry. And then you have to do the other side. I'd reccommend it only if you really, really can't afford a RCM. The peeling off bit is quite fun, though.
Gordon Steadman
22-09-2014, 07:47
The peeling off bit is quite fun, though.
Yeah, its great that bit. Its worth getting sunburnt just so you can peel all the dead skin of afterwards - great fun and so therapeutic:cool:
Hahahahaha. I could only see one idiot from youtube. PVA, that was not!
could have been worse, he might have used super glue and rubbed it in with a brush:rfl:
just a warning for those who think this method is a good idea
http://youtu.be/ziuYF86sUag
Fucking hilarious!! Just the ticket to watch, whilst spitting out my morning coffee and croissant! :lol: :lol:
Marco.
Wakefield Turntables
22-09-2014, 10:49
If you do it properly and use the proper stuff it does work pretty effectively, but it is messy and takes an age to dry. And then you have to do the other side. I'd reccommend it only if you really, really can't afford a RCM. The peeling off bit is quite fun, though.
Long term this stupid method of cleaning vinyl would work out more expensive, I tried it once (yep I own up to it) and realised I'd never be doing it again. Just save up and buying a fookin RCM :doh:
Do you think if he covered his arms with glue he could remove those tatoos?
Wakefield Turntables
22-09-2014, 13:22
Do you think if he covered his arms with glue he could remove those tatoos?
:lol:
Absolute gold. What a dickhead. He should sniff less glue before applying it. And peeling it. I bet his youtube video on how to ride a bike is even funnier.
Notice that the clicking and skipping when he plays the record has a repeat period of about 1.8 seconds, which suggests that it is caused by radial scratches to the record surface, not the glue method. Glue is extremely good, but it will not mend gouges across the record surface, obviously. The twat in this video doesn't seem to have grasped that.
For the record, I have used the PVA method thousands of times now, and it has worked beautifully every single time. It is very quick, very easy, completely silent (so you can listen to music while doing it), very thorough, and quite satisfying. No additional equipment is needed, just the glue itself. However, a Technics DD deck has the torque to make it quicker. I like Unibond PVA, and I buy it in the red 5 litre cartons. I apply it with an Evo-Stik 1 litre bottle which has had its nozzle cut short. Normal Evo-Stik wood glue PVA (dark green bottle, red nozzle) is perfectly good too, but avoid cheapo PVAs. I tried a yellow carton one which was much cheaper than Unibond/Evo-Stik and it seemed to leave a very slight film on the surface if you looked really carefully at reflections on the outro flats.
Here's a video I made on how to do it properly:
http://cyberphotographer.com/technics/thepvastory.mov
I'm even quicker at applying and peeling these days. Of course, you have to wait a couple of hours for the glue to dry, but they say deferred gratification is a sign of intelligence, especially if you wait in the pub.
Oldpinkman
23-09-2014, 17:18
Years ago - 30 at least - I bought some special super duper aerosol cleaner that was in effect PVA glue to clean records. It worked well, as long as you weren't a tight-arsed student trying to make every penny go as far as possible and spraying it on a bit too thin so that when you peeled it off a gossamer thin ring of the stuff stayed stuck in one of the middle tracks on an LP side... :(
Which meant a 2nd thicker, wallet emptying, beer depriving, application of the stuff to get it off :(:(
I think as a fat lazy old man, I'll stick with my RCM :cool:
What a dickhead. He should sniff less glue before applying it.
Priceless!! :lolsign:
[And perhaps have a wash, too].
Marco.
I've used RCMs for quite a while, and graduated to a Loricraft so I can finally clean records without spiking my tinnitus up another notch. That said, the glue peel can work wonders on records that just don't want to give up some built in gunge, no matter what fluid you use. I can't see myself using it on every record though.
Jac Hawk
23-09-2014, 20:55
hi guys, i've used it on second hand stuff off ebay. If you use the right glue it works a treat but like others have said it's messy, takes ages to dry and in the long run works out expensive, if you're gonna get serious about your vinyl get a RCM it makes sense in the long run.
hi guys, i've used it on second hand stuff off ebay. If you use the right glue it works a treat but like others have said it's messy, takes ages to dry and in the long run works out expensive, if you're gonna get serious about your vinyl get a RCA it makes sense in the long run.
My Moth (built from a kit) is one of the best things I've ever bought.
Hi Mike - long time no see :wave:
hi guys, i've used it on second hand stuff off ebay. If you use the right glue it works a treat but like others have said it's messy, takes ages to dry and in the long run works out expensive, if you're gonna get serious about your vinyl get a RCA it makes sense in the long run.
I don't find it messy or expensive.
I think my video demonstrates that it need not be messy. I wipe my index finger on the previous peel, and the rest rubs off, as any carpenter knows.
As for expense, a 5 litre carton of Unibond costs less than 20 quid and will clean thousands of records. It's probably cheaper per record than all the bio-ethanol and distilled water options which are recommended on the endless record-cleaning threads.
Jac Hawk
24-09-2014, 20:53
Hi Keith it's good to be back.
Anyway the wood glue method, the plus points are that there is no high initial outlay, like Sonddek says it only costs a fiver for a big bottle unlike your average RCM which costs upwards of £300. it's quiet, it doesn't sound like concord is taking off like an RCM does, and finally if you do it right, it is a damn good way of getting your vinyl clean.
The bad points, it stinks, so unless you have a man cave your missus won't be pleased, it takes ages to dry, so cleaning more than one record at a time means you have your precious vinyl lying around where it could get damaged, it's messy and i know it's water soluble but for heavens sake do you really want to get glue on your turntable and finally i don't know what the long term effect of the glue is on the vinyl, i do know it leaves a smell behind, but does it do any damage?
The Grand Wazoo
24-09-2014, 21:00
Hi Mike - I hope you are well?
Good points - especially the one about leaving your albums lying around drying, just waiting to be damaged are! Pricey though, if you have a reasonable number of records and you're going to want to clean them again after a while. Bite the bullet and buy a vacuum machine if you possibly can!
Jac Hawk
25-09-2014, 07:41
Hi Chris, looks like i'm just down the road from you now
The Grand Wazoo
25-09-2014, 07:57
Good God, so you are.
That's got to be a good thing!
The bad points, it stinks...
No, it's water-based wood glue. It barely has a smell at all.
...it takes ages to dry, so cleaning more than one record at a time means you have your precious vinyl lying around where it could get damaged...
While what you say is academically true, the upwards-facing surface is covered with glue while it dries, so it would be pretty hard to damage it. I normally glue side two once side one is dry but before peeling it, so side one is quite well protected during drying of side two. Of course, if you lay them on the floor and tap dance on them with hobnail boots you will damage them. I don't know how to tap dance.
...it's messy and i know it's water soluble but for heavens sake do you really want to get glue on your turntable...
OK - this really is getting questionable now. I have glued thousands of records and never spilt a single drop of glue on the turntable I use as my potter's wheel. If you're that clumsy then you should probably go digital because you're going to damage your turntables and records by hook or crook.
...and finally i don't know what the long term effect of the glue is on the vinyl, i do know it leaves a smell behind, but does it do any damage?
You're putting PVA on PVC and then removing it in one piece once it is set solid. Perhaps your records will now eat themselves.
If scaremongering is the currency, think about the residue in the bottom of a dried-out tea cup. And think about your solvent of choice spreading solutes into the grooves of your records before evaporating, the volatile part leaving a non-volatile coating on the groove wall, ready to accrete to your stylus. I know wetvac RCMs make manly noise, look really handsome, occupy little space, and give one something to talk about when the neighbours drop in for a sweet sherry, but is it worth risking the damage they inevitably do to your records and stylus as a result of the abrasive film left by the incomplete removal of dirt particles in suspension? ;-)
The main ingredient of the record is polyvinyl chloride and the glue is polyvinyl acrylate, so they are chemically similar. The plasticisers from the record could migrate into the film and render it flexible again.
The main ingredient of the record is polyvinyl chloride and the glue is polyvinyl acrylate, so they are chemically similar. The plasticisers from the record could migrate into the film and render it flexible again.
Really? Got a link? Specifically about 'migration' of 'plasticisers', and how water-based PVA steals them from PVC surfaces?
At any rate, I'm not noticing any ill effects, and it would seem just as easy to imagine interesting ways that scrubbing bio-ethanol and wetting agent into your records could lead to damage to stylus and record alike.
Any RCM salesmen on this thread ought to declare their interests! ;-)
I've tried both methods and although I decided in the end to buy an RCM that was only after the glue method demonstrated to me that properly clean records were something that was worth having. I don't believe either method damages the records in the slightest.
The drawback with the glue is the time it takes them to dry, the space required to lay them all out whilst drying and the fumes from the glue - don't get me wrong I hate fresh air as much as the next man but if you have a few of these out drying in a small, unventilated room you will soon start to see munchkins coming out of the walls....and once they are dry you have to turn them over and repeat the procedure before you have a clean record. On a wet/vac rcm there is none of that grief and you will have a clean, dry record ready for the turntable within three to four minutes - delayed gratification sucks ;)
Macca, I agree with all you say, except..
...but if you have a few of these out drying in a small, unventilated room you will soon start to see munchkins coming out of the walls...
How you intend to hallucinate on the vapour rising off water-based glue is quite beyond me. You have obviously never tried real solvent abuse. I can't recommend it :)
walpurgis
26-09-2014, 20:08
Macca, I agree with all you say, except..
How you intend to hallucinate on the vapour rising off water-based glue is quite beyond me. You have obviously never tried real solvent abuse. I can't recommend it :)
It was probably the large 'joint' in his other hand that did it! :eek:
Yep, no harmful fumes, but dont ingest it.
Macca, I agree with all you say, except..
How you intend to hallucinate on the vapour rising off water-based glue is quite beyond me. You have obviously never tried real solvent abuse. I can't recommend it :)
Fair point, well made. It may be harmless but it does pong a bit.
It was probably the large 'joint' in his other hand that did it! :eek:
The PVA cleaning method is no easier with a joint in hand than the RCM/ethanol method. The 'rhythm method', on the other hand...
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