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RobbieGong
13-08-2014, 22:57
Is this price for real ?? :eek: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301159157870?_trksid=p11021.c100205.m2767&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26 asc%3D20140409140635%26meid%3D4832868bc6f44941940f 52f65c8c142d%26pid%3D100205%26prg%3D20140409140635 %26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D321490533557/?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:GB:1120 Never heard of this deck.......
It's probably made from Unobtanium :D
RobbieGong
13-08-2014, 23:06
It's probably made from Unobtanium :D
Or monitoburnium :lol:
istari_knight
13-08-2014, 23:09
Alright fess up, who offered £1 ? :D
walpurgis
13-08-2014, 23:09
And it's only six hundred quid delivery! :eyebrows:
Some idiot will likely buy it too
Alright fess up, who offered £1 ? :D
*looks sheepish*
The whole thing looks a bit daft. No deal for Singapore, but Angola, North Korea, Russia, Italy etc ok?? This baby will just disappear in the post. Nobody spends 10% of this on a car without a test drive so who is going to make that trip just to check it out. Unless you have an audiophile friend in Florida (yeah right) it can only realistically be sold to someone local. And the non-refundable deposit of $3,000 : What the hell is that?! A couple of hundred bucks for using up time with a failed sale is all that is required surely. Oh and whaddaya know! some references. For Pete's sake. All this ad is missing is a claim that is has been blessed by the pope.
It's actually quite a long standing and famous deck.
pure sound
14-08-2014, 07:55
Indeed, there are a few in the UK.
Lodgesound
14-08-2014, 11:21
If you move the decimal point in the Pounds price one step to the left then subtract 2 thousand you begin to get a figure somewhere approaching a reasonable price..............
That said it does look rather lovely.....
daytona600
14-08-2014, 11:27
One of my customers has one , would love to hear one
Wakefield Turntables
14-08-2014, 11:29
Yeah I tried one out but preferred my 1210
RobbieGong
14-08-2014, 12:28
Yeah I tried one out but preferred my 1210
:D
That said it does look rather lovely.....
I really don't like the way it looks at all - it's got a far too 'cobbled together as you go along' style that chucking some gold plate at does nothing to hide. Having said that, it is a genuine bit of engineering and has been around a long time.
Yeah I tried one out but preferred my 1210
Was it too pitch stable for you....?
Wakefield Turntables
14-08-2014, 15:17
Was it too pitch stable for you....?
That rubber band construction, you joking me:lol:
Too bling for me ... Would have one in Matt steel.
Uk hifi is cheap. I presume this is from usa. They do lots of silly priced stuff. Would go well with my 1,000,000 euro speakers from Kharma in Breda, Holland.
Is it good enough for my Linn K9?
As has been politely pointed-out, the Walker is a famous high-end deck. Why people should be proud of knowing nothing about it is a bit puzzling..
It has a sophisticated air bearing platter and a good air bearing arm. I've heard one, and it does sound very fine indeed. Not to my taste, it does look like a kit of parts piled together, but some people have the money, like the sound, and are prepared to rise above the common-place.
What exactly is so wrong in that? No-one has to buy it, those that do are at least showing some commitment and the money goes into the audio business.
Whether they are any more stupid/greedy/ naive than the rest of us...who can say. Somehow, I rather doubt it. I drive a Toyota, but that doesn't make me want to dismiss people willing and able to buy supercars.
And if some of you do get the chance to hear such high-end decks (especially a Rockport Sirius) you might get your preconceptions challenged. And that has to be good, doesn't it?
WOStantonCS100
14-08-2014, 22:01
As has been politely pointed-out, the Walker is a famous high-end deck. Why people should be proud of knowing nothing about it is a bit puzzling..
I'm going to have to agree with you (regardless of whether I'm a Technics fanboy or not (which I am)). The Walker is a serious bit of kit. "Air-everything."
Not doubting the fact that is is a fab piece of kit, but the price is silly money, and nowhere near going to produce a cost effective upgrade, unless they have found a way to re cut vinyl.
Why people should be proud of knowing nothing about it is a bit puzzling..
Not the deck - I'm sure there must be something behind its reputation - It is the silly add.
Not doubting the fact that is is a fab piece of kit, but the price is silly money, and nowhere near going to produce a cost effective upgrade, unless they have found a way to re cut vinyl.
"Cost effective" is a personal perspective though. If it's even a smidge better than the next level down there's someone who will buy it on that basis. Of course, there's also the "pride of ownership" types, but they probably wouldn't worry about things like speaker placement, so it'd sound like ass.
Incidentally, I think if you buy one of those new (which if you can afford the "used" price from that seller, I don't see the point of buying used), Mr. Walker himself and a minion come and set the thing up for you.
"Cost effective" is a personal perspective though. If it's even a smidge better than the next level down there's someone who will buy it on that basis. Of course, there's also the "pride of ownership" types, but they probably wouldn't worry about things like speaker placement, so it'd sound like ass.
Incidentally, I think if you buy one of those new (which if you can afford the "used" price from that seller, I don't see the point of buying used), Mr. Walker himself and a minion come and set the thing up for you.
And so they should at that price! And yes - I think it looks awful.
prestonchipfryer
15-08-2014, 07:30
Will be a load of hassle by whoever has it: fretting about whether it is set up properly, etc.,etc. Just because it is expensive does not make it good. It's just completely OTT imo. And it's belt drive! :doh:
zygote23
15-08-2014, 09:38
Some folks put their ornaments on the mantelpiece.....thats a glaring case of a mantelpiece on the ornament! I honestly think that after a point you are just listening to machinery rather than music but hey if thats what floats your boat.
Just so I understand - is the purpose of this thread just to bitch about stuff we can't afford?
If you think you know about turntables you should have encountered this one a long, long time ago. In it's way it genuinely is an all out attempt to address all the engineering challenges that confront record playback.
It seems many here make comments while not really having heard what a High End turntable is capable off, can I afford the Walker no sadly I cant it is way out of my price point. But am I happy it exists and makes the very few who can afford it happy yes yes is the answer. The walker has been the passion of its creator Lloyd Walker since the early nineties and has been perfecting it ever since, for me it is the greatest turntable one can currently buy it Just makes music. Come on guys this is a air bearing, air suspension turntable with an air bearing arm. All this costs serious money to produce and even though the market for such a beast is tiny the fact is that it exists and is a labor of love not some noisy idler drive turntable that just simply sounds crude. I speak from experience and even though I could never justify one and to be honest not sure if I really want one with all those hoses and noisy pumps etc but for sure it is the greatest turntable still in production and that says a lot. I know someone who owns one and have listened to his in a very expensive system, I went away smiling thinking it is so good that such a product does exist not thinking my much much cheaper 20 year old Basis Ovation turntable is superior who would I be trying to fool?. Do I enjoy my current turntable yes I do very much so, it does what I want it is neat no hassle has a great suspension works every day but there are better decks out there and we should be thankful that brave individuals like Mr Walker are still interested in perfecting this dying art.
Some folks will buy a Motorsport BMW for the performance and handling, and some will buy it because their tail-feathers aren't bright enough by themselves. Then some people will always assume the driver of an M-car is in the latter category.
And some people will dismiss belt drive the same way DD or idler is/was dismissed by the belt-drive fans. People who bang on about the drives tend to disregard the implementation. Their loss.
I'd love to just have the opportunity to see a Proscenium, let alone hear one fired in anger. I don't NEED one, any more than I need a Bugatti Veyron, neither of which I could afford anyway.
Wakefield Turntables
15-08-2014, 20:35
And then reality strikes.... it only spins a piece of vinyl.... it makes music..... FFS :rolleyes:
Think it is more than new price as well.....
And then reality strikes.... it only spins a piece of vinyl.... it makes music..... FFS :rolleyes:
Well so does the natty little Technics SL6 I have here. And so did the Saisho music centre my parents had. But you won't want to swap them for your decks. Price is totally relative and totally irrelevant. My Techie and cart together cost £800. Some people I know think that is an insane amount of money to spend in order to spin a piece of vinyl. If I have £10 million in the bank what is £100K on a TT? Let's face it if I like it and I want it then I am going to buy it. And yes there are starving children in the world blah blah but as a multi-millionaire I am probably doing my bit for them as well.
zygote23
16-08-2014, 09:35
For me it's not really how it sounds nor am I envious of the cost at all or the fact that I will never afford one. Like I said if you can afford it and it's your thang then knock yourself out. For me it has gold coloured bits.....I hate gold coloured things....especially gold...bleargh!
I've been to a few....erm Hi End Evenings and after a fashion I may as well be listening to QVC or Ideal World for the amount of utter gash spouted.
+1 (with bells on), especially in terms of the gold bits! :spew:
Given the engineering quality on offer (and its design principles), though, I’d expect it to sound very good….
Marco.
Wakefield Turntables
16-08-2014, 13:26
gash spouted.
I like to see a spouting gash.
zygote23
16-08-2014, 13:28
I like to see a spouting gash.
Dorty Bit!
Lodgesound
16-08-2014, 13:45
I hate to point this out.........but you could actually buy a second hand Neumann cutting lathe in operational condition for a fraction of this price.......and yes a Neumann lathe can be used to actually play vinyl discs believe it or not.
Weren't some lathes modified away from belt drive to a special Pro version of the Techie drive motor? It was a chunky white cased thing I recall...
BTH K10A
16-08-2014, 15:28
Weren't some lathes modified away from belt drive to a special Pro version of the Techie drive motor? It was a chunky white cased thing I recall...
It was the SP02 which used a 48 pole motor as opposed to 12 on the SP10
Speaking of which, this looks very interesting http://www.flokason.ch/fs_directdrive.html
It was the SP02 which used a 48 pole motor as opposed to 12 on the SP10
Speaking of which, this looks very interesting http://www.flokason.ch/fs_directdrive.html
About three grand in English money. Not cheap but I suppose could be a starting point of a self-build super deck.
BTH K10A
16-08-2014, 15:53
About three grand in English money. Not cheap but I suppose could be a starting point of a self-build super deck.
Only leaves £62k for all the other bits :lol:
Wakefield Turntables
16-08-2014, 16:56
I hate to point this out.........but you could actually buy a second hand Neumann cutting lathe in operational condition for a fraction of this price.......and yes a Neumann lathe can be used to actually play vinyl discs believe it or not.
That has to be the best post of this thread, well done mate! Put a smile on my face. :lol:
I see the so called BEST turntable in the world is belt drive!
idler drive & direct drive must be poo!:lol:
Ps I think the top Brinkmann turntable is also belt drive!
What do you expect? The 'delusion' must be maintained at all costs! ;)
Marco.
I hate to point this out.........but you could actually buy a second hand Neumann cutting lathe in operational condition for a fraction of this price.......and yes a Neumann lathe can be used to actually play vinyl discs believe it or not.
Are you suggesting installing one of these in my front room? Will have to check with the wife first.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/539/xbiaYr.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/ezxbiaYrj)
BTH K10A
16-08-2014, 19:41
Are you suggesting installing one of these in my front room? Will have to check with the wife first.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/539/xbiaYr.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/ezxbiaYrj)
Not the front room, don't you know it has to go in the bedroom :rolleyes:
http://www.gokudo.co.jp/Vanguard/room3/room3.htm
Not the front room, don't you know it has to go in the bedroom :rolleyes:
http://www.gokudo.co.jp/Vanguard/room3/room3.htm
That link image looks like a brothel and the speakers would without any doubt make the earth move.
walpurgis
16-08-2014, 20:35
Interesting, but I get the feeling this is somebody rather obsessed.
Andy - you're only jealous: all that gear is right up your street! :eyebrows:
Shame he is using the vastly overrated early Ortofon arms, but then he is probably obliged to do so with the Ortofon/EMT cartridge. (Which is it: an Ortofon (SPU?) made for EMT, or an EMT design made for them by Ortofon?)
That link image looks like a brothel and the speakers would without any doubt make the earth move.
Oh my giddy aunt, you are so right ... I mean, that's what I imagine a brothel would look like.
Oh my giddy aunt, you are so right ... I mean, that's what I imagine a brothel would look like.
With huge horns n all :D
WOStantonCS100
17-08-2014, 02:13
+1 (with bells on), especially in terms of the gold bits! :spew:
Given the engineering quality on offer (and its design principles), though, I’d expect it to sound very good….
Marco.
I suppose I'll watch this video, now, as well. I'd still take a Raven over this, I think; but, the Raven doesn't have all that this has. An earlier all black version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6cHAKXVVX4
Wakefield Turntables
17-08-2014, 08:11
Andy - you're only jealous: all that gear is right up your street! :eyebrows:
Busted! What can I say?
Busted! What can I say?
Actually I was referring to BTH K10A, who's real name I believe is Andy. If I have got his name wrong then I apologise, as I do for the ambiguous address - however if you feel my comments also apply to you, then no harm has been done! ;)
BTH K10A
17-08-2014, 11:31
Andy - you're only jealous: all that gear is right up your street! :eyebrows:
Shame he is using the vastly overrated early Ortofon arms, but then he is probably obliged to do so with the Ortofon/EMT cartridge. (Which is it: an Ortofon (SPU?) made for EMT, or an EMT design made for them by Ortofon?)
Barry it's most likly an Ortofon with slots for all Oertofon/EMT/ESL configurations where the connector can be rotated to suit as it seems to accomodate both the SPU and an EMT TSD12.
Not Jealous as I have lots of quality vintage hifi dating from the 20's on. What I do like to see is this quality ancient equipment saved and used which this guy certainly does and most of what he has would easilly better 95%+ of hifi available today.
Decor is quirky (as is often the case with an eastern take on european period style) but I have no idea what the inside of a brothel looks like so I'll have to take the others word for it :eyebrows: I'm more interested in the equipment and the increasing ammount of additional period brochures and specs that are appearing on the site.
PS Just noticed the owner does seem to have a penchant for reclining nudes
Barry it's most likly an Ortofon with slots for all Ortofon/EMT/ESL configurations where the connector can be rotated to suit as it seems to accomodate both the SPU and an EMT TSD12.
Yes - but what exactly is the cartridge, marked with both the Ortofon and EMT logos? An Ortofon (SPU?) made for EMT, or an EMT design made for them by Ortofon?
Regards
BTH K10A
17-08-2014, 20:02
Yes - but what exactly is the cartridge, marked with both the Ortofon and EMT logos? An Ortofon (SPU?) made for EMT, or an EMT design made for them by Ortofon?
Regards
It's the EMT TSD12 I mentioned previously. First produced in 1961 http://www.cricket-record.jp/product/626 which evolved in 1965 into the TSD15.
Both were afaik EMT specified versions of the SPU without the plastic body (nude) in EMT specified headshell that were obviously based on the Ortofon AB shell. These were supplied with the EMT Ortofon RMA 297 tonearm before EMT manufactured their own tonearms and cartridges.
I've also seen early Ortofon OFS25 & OFS65 cartridges with both Ortofon and EMT marked on them.
What do you expect? The 'delusion' must be maintained at all costs! ;)
Marco.
Oh dear.
As it happens, there are a number of direct drive 'high-end' turntables made these days (four come to mind immediately) and a couple of idler designs.
chris@panteg
18-08-2014, 08:51
One of the best Turntables I've ever heard was belt drive , Voyd Reference .
It's the EMT TSD12 I mentioned previously. First produced in 1961 http://www.cricket-record.jp/product/626 which evolved in 1965 into the TSD15.
Both were afaik EMT specified versions of the SPU without the plastic body (nude) in EMT specified headshell that were obviously based on the Ortofon AB shell. These were supplied with the EMT Ortofon RMA 297 tonearm before EMT manufactured their own tonearms and cartridges.
I've also seen early Ortofon OFS25 & OFS65 cartridges with both Ortofon and EMT marked on them.
Thanks Andy That is exactly the reply I was looking for and an answer to a long held question I have concerning the relation between Ortofon and EMT.
Apologies for not acknowledging this before: I though the "TSD12" was a typo.
Thanks again
Regards
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