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British high fidelity
20-04-2015, 14:56
Hi Brian Pm sent
337alant
20-04-2015, 21:19
Hi Brian
I have tried the Klotz MC5000 cable and think it very good indeed and it has be come my cable of choice
When I made up a cable with phono plugs for my phono stage to pre amp I fitted flying leads so I could earth the cable screen directly to a binding post which is connected the the mains chasis earth. This makes it east to experiment with the screen floating or connected to chassis earth, for me it should not be connected to the phono plug ground as any RF picked up would be fed back to the pre amp signal ground
You could try a binding post with a 3 way switch
1 earthed to Chasis
2 floating (ground lift)
3 10 ohm resister to earth
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7471/15779675997_47694d8e66_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/q3oXVg)Cables (https://flic.kr/p/q3oXVg) by 337alant (https://www.flickr.com/people/69508926@N05/), on Flickr
Alan
brian2957
20-04-2015, 21:27
Interesting idea Alan . I do fit earth leads to the cables when one is requested . The thought never occurred to me to fit one as standard , particularly as I haven't owned a turntable for many years . The shielding on the MC 5000 does appear to work very well . I've never had any complaints to suggest otherwise .
What plugs do you use BTW ?
337alant
21-04-2015, 05:53
Interesting idea Alan . I do fit earth leads to the cables when one is requested . The thought never occurred to me to fit one as standard , particularly as I haven't owned a turntable for many years . The shielding on the MC 5000 does appear to work very well . I've never had any complaints to suggest otherwise .
What plugs do you use BTW ?
Brian
The plugs I use are the Maplin Shark phono plugs I think they are excellent and a very tight fit with Neutrik sockets
http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/shark-7mm-high-performance-phono-plugs-aq56l?gclid=CjwKEAjwx9KpBRCAiZ_tgYKWvhQSJABQjGW-aw1O3UYK-55bfs1HT9SEfhm9Hs7uZSUDHRfot1BCSRoC3T3w_wcB
The XLRs are all Neutrik
http://www.neutrik.co.uk/en-uk/xlr/xx-series/
There is one lead with some Monster Turbine plugs, they are excellent but you cant buy them separately I sacrificed a lead I bought in Dubai years ago and replaced the cable with again Maplin shark wire which is also very good cable.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/shark-audiovisual-twin-screened-two-core-blue-xs40t
Alan
I used to use single shielded Shark cable from Maplins, built a passive Pre many years ago using it, £2.29/Meter.
This is the stuff: http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/shark-audio-coax-single-screened-single-core-xs38r
They also used to do a Silver version, the conductor was solid Silver strands with a Silver over Copper braid, Maplins sold it by 1/4 meter multiples, it was a bit pricey at £33/Meter. They stopped stocking it a couple of years ago. :rolleyes:
Alan - An electronics engineer I worked with Near Coventry used to run flying leads from all his shielded cables to one external unconnected post, he then ran a lead from that to the earth pin on a mains socket, these drain wires were seperately shielded to the same pin. He was pretty manic about such stuff and had a seperate ring main and earth circuit for his audio gear, had everything hard wired etc.
337alant
21-04-2015, 11:14
Alan - An electronics engineer I worked with Near Coventry used to run flying leads from all his shielded cables to one external unconnected post, he then ran a lead from that to the earth pin on a mains socket, these drain wires were seperately shielded to the same pin. He was pretty manic about such stuff and had a seperate ring main and earth circuit for his audio gear, had everything hard wired etc.
Ken yes I think that would be the best way to do it, just taking it to the mains earth in the case is normally enough though, I suppose you could be even more obsessive and have a drain wire to a separate earth spike in the garden LOL
Alan
brian2957
21-04-2015, 11:25
Ken yes I think that would be the best way to do it, just taking it to the mains earth in the case is normally enough though, I suppose you could be even more obsessive and have a drain wire to a separate earth spike in the garden LOL
Alan
Hah , I've got one of those Alan and it did improve things a bit . However , one of the scottishmafia is an electrician and he advised me that it wasn't a good idea so I disconnected it .
I've never tried the Maplins interconnect cable . However , I have tried loads of cables and just keep going back to the MC5000 which is now my cable of choice . This can turn into quite an expensive business if you get carried away . I may try the Maplins offering as it won't burst the bank . :)
Hah , I've got one of those Alan and it did improve things a bit . However , one of the scottishmafia is an electrician and he advised me that it wasn't a good idea so I disconnected it .
I've never tried the Maplins interconnect cable . However , I have tried loads of cables and just keep going back to the MC5000 which is now my cable of choice . This can turn into quite an expensive business if you get carried away . I may try the Maplins offering as it won't burst the bank . :)
Was this because if there was a problem with the electrics in your road then everyone would be earthed through your garden earth and you would be fried ?:lol:
brian2957
21-04-2015, 11:41
Yeah , that worried me a little bit James :lol:
My MC5000 arrived today.
This might sound OTT but............
I think I'm going to make a little earthing box and stick it on the shelf behind my Pre, then all the shielded cables going in/out of it can be open shield (unconnected) at the opposite end and have the ends at the pre connected to the earth box using some RG316 coax and phono plugs/sockets. The box will be metal and have a Klotz AC110 lead draining the phono sockets via the centre conductor to a three pin plugs earth pin and the metal box attached to its screen and then the same earth pin.
That should ground any nasties picked up on any of my interconnects and give a screened drain and connection box so nothing can get out and contaminate things.
I would prefer this to grounding anything the screens pick up to each sources chassis as it is ultimately a bit cleaner and will be quite a flexible set up once the earthing box is made with 8 or 10 sockets on board.
I tried using just the two centre conductors on my Stage Line Mic cable for signal/return with the screen disconnected both ends, I got quite noticeable hum where it had been dead silent with the screen connected at just the source end. My cable runs arn't the tidiest and the interconnects were near some mains cables, so that might account for it.
Never mind that, how does it SOUND? :)
Marco.
I have to order some more RCA plugs/sockets and build the earthing box.
But I will report back on how it sounds and also how it compares to the Van Damme Silver Series leads I built. :D
Good lord, what you have guys been smoking:lol:
First its fuses, and magic potions to clean connectors with, now its separate earth boxes for interconnect shields.
It will be 'ambient field conditioners' next http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html)
:rfl:
The Black Adder
23-04-2015, 15:11
HAHAHAHA!!!!!
What the f@ck is all that about? - Has to be a wind-up... it certainly reads like a wind up.
Keep your money in your pockets folks.
HAHAHAHA!!!!!
What the f@ck is all that about? - Has to be a wind-up... it certainly reads like a wind up.
Keep your money in your pockets folks.
Nope, it's a real thing and it's only 2 grand!
The Black Adder
23-04-2015, 15:36
Blimey... I feel sorry for those taken in by that.
337alant
23-04-2015, 17:24
Anyway back on topic I think the MC5000 is a fantabulous cable better than anything else I have tried DIY:eyebrows:
Alan
brian2957
23-04-2015, 18:43
Yup agreed Alan . I've tried a number of cables and always go back to the MC5000 :)
Sovereign
23-04-2015, 19:38
Anyway back on topic I think the MC5000 is a fantabulous cable better than anything else I have tried DIY:eyebrows:
Alan
Yes I would definitely have to agree not tried the shield versus non-Shield I've always had my Shield floating, well done Brian for your efforts
brian2957
23-04-2015, 20:09
Thanks James , but as I've said before , this was an AOS collaboration . It wasn't me who first suggested the MC5000 . It was Kevin ( cageyH ) :)
I managed to lash up some interconnect leads using MC5000 cable.
I am going to get some of the MS Audio plugs but that will take time (2 ½ to 3 weeks) to get from Taiwan, so I used some Monster plugs for now. As for cable direction, I follow the common but not fully endorsed rule that the direction of flow should follow the direction of the writing on the jacket. It’s a bit pointless on an alternating signal but I stick to it out of habit.
http://www.jkwynn.co.uk/Pics/Earthbox2.jpg
http://www.jkwynn.co.uk/Pics/Earthbox3.jpg
I don’t like the idea of having no form of shielding on my leads so I made an earthing box, which attaches the interconnect screens to the earth pin on a mains plug. (Note that the screen is not connected in any way to the phono plugs at either end)
This avoids having to drain the interconnects screen through the return, which some folks have said affected the sound in a bad way and it also gets round the problem of using class 2 double insulated kit that is not earthed anyway. It is a simple and effective way of running any hash picked up by the screens to earth and away from the equipment, once set up it is very flexible and I can quickly plug/unplug up to four sets of screens on this unit.
The box itself is Alloy and connected to the screen on the outgoing Klotz AC110 cable, who’s centre conductor is used as the drain for the interconnect leads. The box/screened cable are used as double security and are also attached to the earth pin in the three pin mains plug.
Its too early to comment on how the leads sound in my system as I understand they need a few days to bed in, what I will say is that when I plug/unplug the screen it makes absolutely no difference to the sound, which in this configuration, it shouldn’t. This system has all the sound quality benefits of using the unscreened set up with the peace of mind and flexibility of a protected signal.
I will give my impressions of this cable, used between my DAC and Pre in a few days and how it compares to my Van Damme Silver Series equipment cable.
Meanwhile I am going to make a second pair of interconnects using MC5000 to go between my Pre/Power Amps. :)
Great stuff Ken, the Klotz saga continues!
Love it, Ken... I can see another 'officially AoS-endorsed product' in the making there! ;)
Be interesting to know what you think of the cables when you've had a proper listen.
Marco.
I ended up making two 1m pairs of leads using Klotz MC5000 microphone cable (as per first image) and two 1m pairs using the Van Damme "Lo-Cap 55" Silver Series Session Grade Instrument cable (top cable in the second image).
http://www.jkwynn.co.uk/Pics/Earthbox3.jpg
http://www.jkwynn.co.uk/Pics/VD_Silver_v_NVA.jpg
The Klotz cable pairs had 32 and 39 hrs use respectively before the comparison, the Van Damme had 50 hrs plus. The equipment used, is listed in my signature, I had the cables between my DAC and Pre and between the Pre and Power. I didn’t mix the cables, they were either both one, or they were both the other.
Because end result with the interconnects will be effected by the speaker cable used, I compared several. I used Van Damme Blue, Van Damme Hifi and a DIY tinned copper twisted pair similar to Belden 9497 but using 14awg instead of 16awg and some Rega Quattro.
Sound
I won’t go on about the differences on each track, I tried 4 CD’s and three tracks from each on all the combinations of IC/speaker cables so way too much to cover, in fact 96 seperate tests and I made notes on each. Then I re visited the best combinations in a head to head, so I will just keep to a general summery of where they differed and the strengths and weaknesses, all of course just my opinion listening on my gear.
I will start by saying both cables are very good.
OK, first off it was quite clear on all the Loud Speaker cables used that the Klotz was slightly warmer and less transparent than the Van Damme, the VD is just cleaner and clearer, silences were just blacker.
My killer piano track for timing showed that the Klotz could not quite keep up and became slightly muddled with every LS cable tried. The VD kept the notes separated and the tune carried better in all cases.
Dynamics were about even between the two when teamed up with the same LS cable.
Detail retreival was extremely good with both cables.
Tonally the Klotz was warmer and sounded good with things like acoustic guitar, but ultimately less realistic with some instruments, xylophone and brass for instance.
The best combination was the VD IC with the VD Blue LS cable. Clean and dynamic sound with a rich mid range and punchy bass, a very natural sound with good voices, only let down slightly by the Blue’s inability to convey really deep bass.
Swapping in the VD Hifi improved the Bass but the top end got too forward and started to loose control. The Rega Quattro had the deepest and most well defined bass but the top end is all over the place, piano is just not realistic with this.
The best combo for the Klotz was when used with the VD hifi, the warmth of the Klotz being offset by the very clean, crisp top end of the VD Hifi. But it was some way behind the Silver Series/Blue combination that was just so musical I didn’t want to change it.
The Klotz MC5000 makes a good interconnect, better than shop bought items costing several times more, but for my system the Van Damme Silver Series is better and by quite a margin. I may look further to find a speaker cable that will be as well balanced as the “Blue” and give that extra bottom end grunt, but the Silver Series interconnects are staying.
These results were based on my gear and preferences, but I will bring both sets of leads to the next NEBO meet and give folks the chance to try them out in their own set up. :)
Nice write-up, Ken. Always good to hear what different folks think :)
It shows again how system dependent this stuff is, as in my system the results were the complete opposite. I much preferred the Klotz, finding the Van Damme rather 'hi-fi sounding' (and 'etched' at the top-end) in comparison.
It's all about what does it for you though, so enjoy! :cool:
Marco.
brian2957
04-05-2015, 07:56
I think the MS Audio plugs make a big difference to the Klotz MC5000 cable . I've tried several plugs on the MC5000 and the MS Audio pugs were by far the best match . I will probably try a set of KLE plugs later this year , but the MS Audio plugs are excellent VFM for what they cost ( £16 for a set of 4 ) .
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MS-Audio-Star-Line-Rhodium-Plated-Tellurium-Copper-RCA-Plugs-2-Pair-/321743234297?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae96424f9
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MS-Audio-Star-Line-Silver-Plated-Tellurium-Copper-RCA-Plugs-2-Pair-/321734433454?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae8dddaae
Marco - did you try the Van Damme Silver Series instrument cable or their Pro Grade Classic? If the Silver was it the Lo-Cap?
I'm finding that you need to balance the interconnects/speaker cables carefully as not all combinations work, its a bit of a black art, my advice to folks is, if you find a combination that works for you, stick with it. It's a bit like tube rolling, you can drive yourself mad with all the combinations available. :D
I think the MS Audio plugs make a big difference to the Klotz MC5000 cable . I've tried several plugs on the MC5000 and the MS Audio pugs and by far the best match . I will probably try a set of KLE plugs later this year , but the MS Audio plugs are excellent VFM for what they cost ( £16 for a set of 4 ) .
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MS-Audio-Star-Line-Rhodium-Plated-Tellurium-Copper-RCA-Plugs-2-Pair-/321743234297?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae96424f9
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MS-Audio-Star-Line-Silver-Plated-Tellurium-Copper-RCA-Plugs-2-Pair-/321734433454?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae8dddaae
Ah, so Ken's not tried the MC5000s with MS Audio plugs? Missed that... Well, that could make a difference!
Brian, I wouldn't bother with the KLEs, unless you're really desperate to try them. Cagey (Kevin) sent me some MC5000s, fitted with KLEs. They were good, but in my system ultimately not as good as the MS Audios.
I always find that when the latter are in the equation, there's a certain 'magic' (with music) that's otherwise missing when they're not.
Marco.
Marco - did you try the Van Damme Silver Series instrument cable or their Pro Grade Classic? If the Silver was it the Lo-Cap?
The exact same as yours, mate, which you posted a picture of, as highlighted above. When I looked at them (and later bought them), they seemed to tick all the right boxes. However, when I listened, they certainly produced a nicely detailed and 'crisp sound', but one that ultimately left me a bit cold.
One thing I don't like (although they're nicely made an fit well) are the supplied plugs... Too heavy and too much metal in their construction for my liking, which is one of the things I've learned is a bad idea, sonically. One of the successes of the MS Audio plugs is their lightweight construction with almost no metal in it, apart from only where it is needed.
In that respect, I wouldn't dismiss the MC5000s until you've heard them fitted with MS Audio plugs, as when both items are used together, there seems to be real synergy at work! :cool:
Marco.
brian2957
04-05-2015, 08:24
Now that's interesting Marco . I've tried a number of combinations of plugs and cables over the last year or so and I always go back to the Klotz MC5000 / MS Audio combination , so I gave up a while back . This is the combination I'm currently very happy with so I think I'll give the KLEs a miss then . Thanks for the information mate :)
Brian,
If you want to try the KLE equipped cable, just give me a shout.
It is sat in the spares box (which seems to be growing!).
brian2957
04-05-2015, 08:41
Thanks Kevin , I'll give them a miss mate . They would have to be substantially better to justify the extra outlay . How are you getting on with the Switchcraft RCA plugs ?
You have email mate .
Firebottle
04-05-2015, 10:47
If the Silver was it the Lo-Cap?
Hi Ken, as you seem to be keen on trying things, I have a suggestion. Will not be surprised if the Lo-Cap Silver walks it but might be worth a comparison.
I found some standard satellite cable has the same low capacitance of the Low-Cap at 55pF per meter. Conductors are copper so it would be a Copper/Silver shoot out, but with the same capacitance :hmm:
I'd try it myself but I don't have any Silver Lo-Cap. I can send you the satellite cable if you need it.
:) Alan
Alan - I've tried shotgun satalight cable in the past and wasn't impressed, I may even still have the leads somewhere.
Tried it in the cross connection method as well - centre of one to the shield of the other etc.
Not sure I want to buy the MS Audio connectors (at least 8 needed) as I am not a believer in connectors making much difference, having said that, if anyone is going to bring some MC5000 leads with these fitted, to the next NEBO meet I will give them a go.
Not sure I want to buy the MS Audio connectors (at least 8 needed) as I am not a believer in connectors making much difference, having said that, if anyone is going to bring some MC5000 leads with these fitted, to the next NEBO meet I will give them a go.
Fair enough, although that's quite contrary to my experience, and over the years I've experimented quite a bit with a number of them. However, I'll defo bring my MC5000s with me to the next NEBO and we can do some comparisons :cool:
Marco.
Firebottle
04-05-2015, 13:42
OK Ken, not sure how you cross connected, the cable I have is just standard coax construction with inner and screen.
I will build some up, need to get some plugs, then the only I/Cs I can compare to are some MC5000 with silver plugs that I have on loan.
:) Alan
Hi I picked up a 1m pair of this cable yesterday made up with Neutrik XLR connectors from a local pro studio company to connect between my pre/power, sounded bloody awful for the 1st few hours and then sounded good, today sounded crap again and then after a few hours started to sound good again, does this cable burn in and improve with time? I've never experienced this before, also how does it compare to Mark Grant as an RCA.
Thanks for advce
I use it between my pre and mono blocks.
Once it settles in, you will have no issues.
I use it between my pre and mono blocks.
Once it settles in, you will have no issues.
Thanks for the advice Kevin, I've just realized that this is your own thread for selling the cables you make, sorry for posting here
John
Yep doh sorry Brian, blond day!
Hi Guys,
Just wanted to thank Brian for building me a couple of Klotz MC5000 cables one with MS Star Line Phono plugs at each end and the other with MS Star Line Phonos at one end and Neutrik gold plated 1/4" jacks to interface with my Crown D60 power amp. Both cables have been beautifully made and have given my system a new lease of life with much better resolution and an even response over the whole audio spectrum. Listening to my system now is like hearing it with all the mud n crud stripped away, wonderful!
Brian is a top chap to do business with and kept me fully informed of progress. Nice one Brian!
cheers
Chris
brian2957
11-06-2015, 17:00
You're welcome Chris , it's been an absolute pleasure dealing with you :)
Good to see another happy Klotz user. These cables *really* do offer quite ridiculously high SPPV: an 'AoS collaboration', par excellence! :)
Enjoy, Chris :cool:
Marco.
Whats current thinking on the shield - are folks still using the two centre cores only and not connecting the shield at all ?
I tried this on a couple of leads without problems, between several power amps and my Croft Pre, till I introduced a Quad 306 Power and the leads picked up loads if interferance and hum from nearby mains leads. I think its down to the hyper sensitivity of the Quad (375mV for 50w into 8 ohm) any hash around at all and it passes through at a very audible level. Something to consider if your gear is very sensitive.
brian2957
12-06-2015, 15:22
On the Klotz MC5000 / MS Audio cables the shield is connected at the source end . After experimenting with quite a few cables of this type I found that they all sounded better with the shield connected at source . ( IMO and the opinion of others who gave feedback of course )
On the Klotz MC5000 / MS Audio cables the shield is connected at the source end . After experimenting with quite a few cables of this type I found that they all sounded better with the shield connected at source . ( IMO and the opinion of others who gave feedback of course )
+1 I always make up my Klotz MC5000 cables with the shield connected at the source end. I too had noise problems in my system when I tried them with an unconnected shield. (which does feature a pair of Quad 306's in bi-amp mode).
On the Klotz MC5000 / MS Audio cables the shield is connected at the source end . After experimenting with quite a few cables of this type I found that they all sounded better with the shield connected at source
Yup, same here. The 'floating shield' thing, to my ears in my system, was a no-no. That became patently obvious when I had two otherwise identical sets of MC5000s, and compared one against the other. The ones with the shield connected at the source end made the 'floater' sound muted and ill-defined, in comparison.
That fact makes it even more of a joke that 'certain folk' elsewhere are ridiculously accusing Brian of copying their cable design! :doh: :mental:
Marco.
OK thanks for that chaps, I need to make up several sets for the active setup I am working on, so its good there seems to be a consensus of opinion on what works.
Must admit I allways used to wire seperate shields that way on non Klotz builds and it seemed to work well for me.
I still like the idea of running the shields direct to a seperate earth, but it gets a bit messy in its implementation for an active set up, where lots of interconnects are used.
Hello
Can someone post a picture of how the shield connected to the end please?
I don't have a picture but will try to explain.
Strip back the outer insulation, and group the shield close to the wire for the outer connection.
At the source end, strip the insulation from the wire to be connected to the outer part of the RCA plug.
Twist this wire together with the braided shield. Then tin with solder.
You will then need to trim to the correct length, and solder to the outer part of the RCA plug.
Just my two words aboutt the MS Audio / Klotz MC5000 ICs. I've ordered so far two pairs of them and they fit very well and sound amazing in my system. Excellent building quality and great service from Brian. The second ICs was lost somewhere along the way (all these mail services :( ) and the response from Brian was very fast - he sent me immediately another pair.
So just wanted to thank Brian for the excellent communication and services.
Cheers.
brian2957
26-06-2015, 10:24
Thanks for the feedback Petar . Happy you got your interconnects ( eventually ) :)
just been re reading this thread and at the beginning the cables were wired with the screen floating with better results than it being connected,towards the end of the thread the general view changed to using the screen,what was the reasoning behind this change?
brian2957
02-11-2015, 18:16
After multiple tests and feedback from trusted members on AOS it was decided that the cables were slightly better with the shield connected at the source end . There wasn't a lot in it (IMO ) but the difference was there . :)
sweet, i dont have to get the soldering iron out again then! :)
brian2957
02-11-2015, 18:21
Nope :D
I found the Klotz MC5000 definitely sounded better with the last configuration you did Brian. Attached at source end and left floating at the other.
Damn good cable for the money - Oh and even better with the silver MS Audio plugs.:)
brian2957
02-11-2015, 20:38
Good to know James . It's feedback like this which helps to get the best out of any audio product :)
just a quick update on my cables,i took them over to my mate Ian's today to see how they compared against his QED silver anniversary interconnects.
I dont know how well the QED is regarded but we both agreed mine were better,more detail was obvious to us both. needless to say im making up a set for him when their plugs are back in stock :)
just a quick update on my cables,i took them over to my mate Ian's today to see how they compared against his QED silver anniversary interconnects.
I dont know how well the QED is regarded but we both agreed mine were better,more detail was obvious to us both. needless to say im making up a set for him when their plugs are back in stock :)
Hope you took proper measurements Jamie;)
yep we we had 2 cups of tea exactly 15ins apart! :)
Ian will be along soon as im shit at describing the difference :lol:
yep we we had 2 cups of tea exactly 15ins apart! :)
Ian will be along soon as im shit at describing the difference :lol:
Sounds fair enough to me... perfect scientific principle:eek:
After Jamie had drunk far too much coffee and I'd got him down from the ceiling we had a good listen to both sets of cables I thought there was a definite smoothing of the treble without losing any clarity. There was also a slight harshness with the QEDs which was much improved with the Klotz. The mid range was better controlled and bought slightly more to the front of the sound. Overall I thought there was a significant improvement. I shall certainly put young James to work on a set for me but just need to ration the coffee.
brian2957
22-11-2015, 22:30
yep we we had 2 cups of tea exactly 15ins apart! :)
Ian will be along soon as im shit at describing the difference :lol:
Yup , that's the way to do it Jamie . It's called using your ' God given ' precision measuring equipment , otherwise known as your ears . Enjoy yourselves gentlemen :)
It's called using your ' God given ' precision measuring equipment , otherwise known as your ears.
Lol - indeed. However, there are some 'objectively programmed robots' around, posing as 'human beings', who seemingly are incapable of carrying out that simple task! :wanker:
Sad, sad, puppies......
Marco.
brian2957
23-11-2015, 13:08
:lol: It's also the cheapest and most accurate ( IMO ) way of assessing new gear / cables which I'm trying in my system :D
Oooh ! are you getting some puppies mate :popcorn:
i reckon my set has burned in now,im itching to make a cable for the ittok :eyebrows:
I reckon my set has burned in now, I'm itching to make a cable for the ittok :eyebrows:
Are you referring to your ears, or to the cables? ;)
kininigin
25-11-2015, 21:00
A thanks to Brian for his excellent service for a few pairs of the MC5000 cable. Been in use the last few hours and they have improved my system nicely!
brian2957
25-11-2015, 21:29
Nice one Darren , glad you like the cables .
Pieoftheday
05-12-2015, 19:57
Well I've tried to stay away from swapping interconnects for a while,it can do your head in,but after reading this thread today I've just contacted Brian. I'm rather looking forward to it:cool:
Pieoftheday
05-12-2015, 20:10
you'll love erm!
Hurrah!! Then a better amp, hurrah again!!!
kininigin
05-12-2015, 20:19
I'm not one for changing cables every 2 minutes either! Been using Mark Grants for the last 5 years with no urge to change! After using these Klotzs i won't have another urge for a long time i feel. They have surprised me,worth every penny!
Pieoftheday
05-12-2015, 20:29
I'm not one for changing cables every 2 minutes either! Been using Mark Grants for the last 5 years with no urge to change! After using these Klotzs i won't have another urge for a long time i feel. They have surprised me,worth every penny!
Darren, I'm using mark grant cables with my DAC, phono and coaxial,excellent.the one from Brian will replace a van damme one that goes direct from source,its a bit shut in , though I use one from my blue ray and its great:scratch:
kininigin
05-12-2015, 20:42
Darren, I'm using mark grant cables with my DAC, phono and coaxial,excellent.the one from Brian will replace a van damme one that goes direct from source,its a bit shut in , though I use one from my blue ray and its great:scratch:
For me in my system,the mark grants are a bit less detailed/defined. For me it was more noticable in the HF's,which sound more smoother and not so hard in comparison! They handle all frequencies really well and evenly though and just let through whatever is on the recording!
Pieoftheday
08-12-2015, 14:42
Mine arrived today:) thank you Brian:wave:
brian2957
08-12-2015, 15:47
Mine arrived today:) thank you Brian:wave:
You're welcome James . Enjoy the cables .
Pieoftheday
09-12-2015, 16:43
Well I'm very happy with my new interconnect. I've been little dissapointed with the sound I was getting from the novafidelityx40, it was OK but much better via the LiTe DAC, however the klotz has improved things quite noticeably, a much more open and musical sound,Im quite surprised at the improvement,perhaps the van damme I was using just didn't suit the x40,I use one with my blue ray and its very good. I better not try the klotz with my blue ray, just in case!!;)
Well I'm very happy with my new interconnect. I've been little dissapointed with the sound I was getting from the novafidelityx40, it was OK but much better via the LiTe DAC, however the klotz has improved things quite noticeably, a much more open and musical sound,Im quite surprised at the improvement,perhaps the van damme I was using just didn't suit the x40,I use one with my blue ray and its very good. I better not try the klotz with my blue ray, just in case!!;)
Sure your just imagining it James :rfl::whistle:
Brians cables are great
Pieoftheday
09-12-2015, 17:10
Sure your just imagining it James :rfl::whistle:
Brians cables are great
:lol: Grant, im quite sceptical these days after many dissapointments!!! But to me the improvements with Brian's cable are quite obvious. :cool:
You have a PM
Regards
Jonathan
brian2957
02-02-2016, 10:12
Hi Jonathan , you need more posts to use the PM system . A total of 6 I believe .
Can a mod please advise .
I like the Klotz MC5000 very transparent and neutral, using it throughout my system.
I am less enamored with the MS Audio connectors.
The single point contact, well err doesn't always make good contact.
I have six RCA outputs on my active crossover and have to give the MS Audio plugs a twist every now and then to clean the contacts or I get reduced sound quality. I am using Neutrik sockets and both sockets and plugs are Gold plated. All solder joints are good in the connectors with no stray wires.
Bit disappointed in this, because otherwise I am very happy with the sound.
Hi Ken,
I am less enamored with the MS Audio connectors.
The single point contact, well err doesn't always make good contact.
I have six RCA outputs on my active crossover and have to give the MS Audio plugs a twist every now and then to clean the contacts or I get reduced sound quality. I am using Neutrik sockets and both sockets and plugs are Gold plated.
Good point, but the thing to remember is that the best way of guaranteeing a good solid contact between plugs and sockets is, if possible, to use both items from the same manufacturer. That way, as they've both been designed/machined together, chances are that they'll match well, in terms of fit :)
Therefore, if using Neutrik sockets, then use Neutrik plugs, WBT sockets, use WBT plugs, etc. I've always had the best results that way. However, unfortunately that method doesn't apply with MS Audio plugs, as to my knowledge, they don't produce matching sockets - but if they did, those would be the ones to use.
It's all to do with the physical design of plugs and sockets, and how successfully they 'mate' with their partnering plugs, often produced by different manufacturers. In that respect, some 'marriages' will be more successful than others! ;)
In my system, I can relate to where you're coming from, as the MS Audio plugs provide a much more secure connection with the Furutech sockets on my Copper amp, than say, the Eichmanns on my Croft. It's really a case of 'suck it and see'.
Marco.
brian2957
02-02-2016, 11:13
I can't say I've had that problem Ken . I always get a good connection with the MS Audio plugs into my Rega gear . The Neutrik plugs are a good alternative although the MS Audio plugs do sound better in my system .
I will be going balanced eventually so its not to much of an issue.
I did once experience this in the past with other makes of RCA plug/socket not being the best of fits with each other, so its probably best to use both parts from the same manufacturer as Marco points out.
Hi Brian
Now got seven posts - so trying a PM
brian2957
02-02-2016, 17:42
Hi Jonathan PM received and replied to :)
Welcome to AOS BTW . Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself . What system you've got and what kind of music you listen to . :)
AudioFreak
25-02-2016, 20:47
Many thanks Brian for the interconnects that you sent through in super quick time. :)
I must say the quality of the build is first class and the SQ from these cables is fantastic and they are not even burned in yet, a great upgrade from the Chord Crimsons that I had connected to my streamer. I will certainly be looking to buying some more soon. So thanks again and also thanks to Marco for such a good forum that enables people to share their ideas and excellent results.
Best regards
Gary.
brian2957
25-02-2016, 22:31
Thanks for the great feedback Gary and I'm glad you're happy with the cables :)
Another happy AOS member :)
So thanks again and also thanks to Marco for such a good forum that enables people to share their ideas and excellent results.
No worries, Gary, you're welcome, and thanks for your feedback. We actively seek to promote a vibe where members can discuss and share their ideas and experiences, without being subject to the ridicule or one-upmanship often seen elsewhere, so I'm glad you appreciate that :)
The MC5000/MS Audio plug combination is very much an 'AoS-endorsed' product, created by the forum community, for all members. We hope to collectively create many more products like that in future, based upon the 'SPPV' principles, which are a core part of what this site is about.
Enjoy! :cool:
Marco.
icehockeyboy
03-03-2016, 11:55
Can't wait to get mine and join the club!
brian2957
03-03-2016, 12:05
Hope you like them Craig . They do seem to work very well in a wide variety of systems :)
icehockeyboy
12-03-2016, 13:21
After a lengthy wait thanks we believe to the Royal Mail losing the first pair, I'm pleased to announce the arrival of mine!
Gazjam my friend, you were not over exaggerating, they are amazing, and as you say, will probably not be replaced any time soon!
Another happy convert!
You have to spend rather more for anything remotely 'better' IMO
After a lengthy wait thanks we believe to the Royal Mail losing the first pair, I'm pleased to announce the arrival of mine!
Gazjam my friend, you were not over exaggerating, they are amazing, and as you say, will probably not be replaced any time soon!
Another happy convert!
Told ya! :eek:
337alant
12-03-2016, 18:59
I like the Klotz MC5000 very transparent and neutral, using it throughout my system.
I am less enamored with the MS Audio connectors.
The single point contact, well err doesn't always make good contact.
I have six RCA outputs on my active crossover and have to give the MS Audio plugs a twist every now and then to clean the contacts or I get reduced sound quality. I am using Neutrik sockets and both sockets and plugs are Gold plated. All solder joints are good in the connectors with no stray wires.
Bit disappointed in this, because otherwise I am very happy with the sound.
Ken,
Have you tried the Shark Phono plugs from Maplin ?, I think they are a nice tight fitting plug and have good solder connections
Thats what I use with the MC5000 but generally where I can I use Neutric XLR.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7471/15779675997_47694d8e66_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/q3oXVg)Cables (https://flic.kr/p/q3oXVg) by Alan Towell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/69508926@N05/), on Flickr
Alan
Ken,
Have you tried the Shark Phono plugs from Maplin ?, I think they are a nice tight fitting plug and have good solder connections
Thats what I use with the MC5000 but generally where I can I use Neutric XLR.
Alan
Hi Alan
I made do for a while because I new I was going for a balanced set up in the end.
I've just made up these with MC5000 and Neutrik NCXX B Series XLR's, they have gold plated pins and were developed for the AES/EBU digital standard, nice colour coding options as well.
http://www.jkwynn.co.uk/Project_Images/Pro-Ject/Proj_02.JPG
wee tee cee
04-04-2016, 16:28
Brian made me up a set of 5000s with a new plug for me dac-pre/pre-hpa/pre-mono blocks.
I was running top notch Mark Grant wbt silver ICs but in a long IC/short speaker configuration.
After getting a couple of hundred hours on them and getting my head round what they do Im delighted.
I listen a lot on cans and find it separates the men from the boys cable wise-Brians cables could have a square go with all comers( Glaswegian for-they can hold theyre own).
His USB cable is something special-but that for another day!!!
Are these the black plugs?
wee tee cee
05-04-2016, 16:48
Sorry Kevin dont know...they are metal bodied with gold ends. Nothing like the ms audio/eichman silver bullet plastic jobbies.
brian2957
05-04-2016, 18:04
They're just good quality gold plated plugs gents . Better than Neutriks IMO ( on these cables anyway ) :)
Ok thanks. I was wondering if it was the POM bodied MS Audios, but it appears not.
The MS Audio are good, but the lead time annoys me!
brian2957
05-04-2016, 18:47
+1 :)
Hello Brian,
I would like to buy a 1 meter pair with MS plugs
brian2957
22-04-2016, 07:02
Hi Khoi , I would be happy to build you a set of these interconnects . If you make another few posts ( 4 I think ) I can discuss this with you further via the AOS private message system .
Welcome to AOS :)
Ok will post a little bit more
Actually I have a question that I could not find the reply on the entire thread
How do they sound like? Especially compared to Klotz AC110 for which I have a pair already (with neutrik)
I read they sound better but are they more analytical for instance? I'm really looking for a cable that is not bright or etched, rather warm
I have a rega DAC (filter 4) with Elicit R and Dynaudio speakers. Using Belkin PureAV right now (which sound great)
Tried AC110, flashback premiere, cardas hexlink...etc.
brian2957
22-04-2016, 15:49
I used these cables with a Rega DAC and a Brio R for many years Khoi . They are not bright at all and sound warm with plenty of detail and a nice big soundstage . They must suit a variety of systems and listeners as the feedback is excellent for them .
I have some AC110 here , however it just sounds lightweight compared to the MC5000s .
Perfect. That's how I would define the AC110. It's very refined particularly in the treble where I find it second to none in refinement but it's definitely lightweight in overall tone. Can't wait to try the MC5000 and will give my detailed feedback on this thread.
eabeemer
03-05-2016, 17:41
I definitely want to try this high praised cable but I have to post more as newbie to give Brian a pm. Counting my posts :).
Eugene
Ok so I have received the cable and tried it for a few days. First it's critical to say that such a cable is completely system dependent. What works for one system might not work for another one. Also it depends on the listeners preferences. It happens that in my system I have another cable that works better, the Belkin pure AV (also on the AoS list) works a bit better but I would say that it's a lesser performing cable that the Klotz. It's just synergy.
The Klotz sounds very open, transparent, very coherent from top to bottom. It has some similarities to the Linn Black but more of everything but also the key characteristic is that is VERY musical. It really sings. It's hard to tell why but there's something appealing about this cable. It's quite close to the Linn in sonic terms (but more extended and refined) but it's much better musically.
Now I have a very transparent system. On a less transparent one, the differences between all these cables mentioned might not even be noticeable.
So I recommend this cable as long as the basics in your system are in place. It cannot be used as a tone control as it has very little character on its own except being very musical. It's quite flat really, but has substance (not thin but not really euphonic or warm either) The Belkin tends to slightly make the sound darker which works better for my system and my tastes.
The Klotz MC5000 definitely deserves its reputation.
Virtual-Symmetry
07-05-2016, 15:23
Just changing brand slightly but mega VFM..I made all interconnects out of Van Damme 'Classic XKE' Never looked back
Forgot to add that compared to AC110, the MC5000 is clearly better
brian2957
08-05-2016, 02:43
Hi Khoi , many thanks for the feedback . The MC5000 interconnects tend to come on song after around 50 hours or so . It's worth persevering with them if you can .
The MC5000s have been used with success on all sorts of systems and all the feedback received has been positive :)
You're right I didn't go to 50 hours for sure, I should put it back and let it play more, will report back!
Jerseymark
08-07-2016, 21:44
Hi Brian.
Are you still supplying the Klutz MC5000 cables, if so would you be able to supply me a set to Jersey?
Thanks
Mark
I definitely want to try this high praised cable but I have to post more as newbie to give Brian a pm. Counting my posts :).
Eugene
Brian will look after you. :)
Cables great, use 3 of them in my system, not heard better!
brian2957
09-07-2016, 01:15
Hi Mark , PM sent .
Flanders
29-07-2016, 06:27
G'day Brian, I'm interested to know, have sent any of your famous IC's to anyone in OZ?
brian2957
29-07-2016, 07:19
Not yet Ben , there's always a first time :D
WESTLOWER
22-08-2016, 08:44
HI Brian
could you please quote me 3x 1m sets of your Klotz MC5000 interconnects please
Best Regards
brian2957
22-08-2016, 09:42
You have a PM Adam .
oceanobsession
06-10-2016, 20:35
Is the insulation on the klotz cable Teflon or ptfe , only it can look messy when its melted , or is there another method to not melt the insulation cheers phil.
brian2957
06-10-2016, 20:40
It's not Teflon , it's PVC . Not sure what you're doing to melt the insulation , probably holding the iron on for too long . Maybe your soldering iron isn't powerful enough Phil , or the solder has a very high melting point .
Is the insulation on the klotz cable Teflon or ptfe , only it can look messy when its melted , or is there another method to not melt the insulation cheers phil.
Teflon/PTFE is the same thing, Teflon is just DuPonts Brand name and is the stuff used on non stick frying pans, so if the insulation was made of this you would have to apply massive amounts of heat to melt it with an iron. Unfortunately, like Brian points out, its made of PVC which melts pretty easy. A fairly powerful iron with a biggish tip allows you to get in and out quick, without transferring too much eat through the wire to the jacket. A smaller less powerful iron increases the contact time and while the initial heat may not be enough to melt the solder it builds up and is more than enough to melt the PVC. You should only have the iron in place for 2 to 3 seconds for the small amount of metal in the lead and tab being joined. Also pre tin the wire and the tab with solder, then apply the solder loaded iron to melt the two together. Your solder should have a flux core, if not apply flux separately to ensure you get a good flow.
TIP if you still have problems:
I use the Klotz cable throughout the signal runs, even inside the amp. In some of my lash ups I end up soldering/de-soldering the leads several times during part changes, it is inevitable that the insulation ends up in a bad way. If I know the connection is going to be made several times, I apply a collar to the end of the lead, 4 to 5mm long, made from heat shrink sleeving. The heat from the iron just pulls it up tighter round the insulation and stops it deforming, as the heat shrink has a higher melting point, it keeps it looking tidy. As a last resort you could try this, but it should not be necessary for a one off joint in the phono plugs, a good soldering technique is what's required.
Hope this helps.
oceanobsession
15-10-2016, 22:13
Hi again , I have now purchased the cable and plugs , do you connect the screen at one end only , I'm going to have a go myself at making these , cheers phil.
Yes, and the end it is attached to, supposedly plugs into the signal source (upstream) so mark this end.
Regardless of whether there is any real science behind it, I always fit my leads the same way round, so I follow the above recommendation.
I read an article some time ago, trying to justify all this, one way sounds better than the other, the theory was based on magnetic lay lines, and whether the twisted pairs were clockwise or anti clockwise wound. If I remember correctly, in the signal direction the spiral should travel clockwise in the Northern hemisphere and anti clockwise in the Southern. The same way that water spirals down the plug hole opposite directions in the two hemispheres.
Or is it the other way round?
All a bit mystic Meg! :D
I tried both orientations for connecting the shield, connecting it at both ends simultaneously and not connecting it at all.
I couldn't hear a difference as to which way the shield was connected, I did however think it sounded better with the shield not connected at all. I ran into problems this way, with the leads picking up interference, so reverted to using the shield connected at the source end for single ended connections and I'm now using balanced connections where I can.
Jeff Wood
16-10-2016, 11:28
if youre making these yourself, my advice would be to try it first without the screen,
adding a screen can dull the sound a bit. I used to make cables when I worked for LFD, and most of our cables were unshielded.
I'll buy some of this of cable and give it a listen.
But I will probably strip out the two wires , twist them, then use spiralwrap, and then braid.
That would be good, and cheap,
Jeff Wood
16-10-2016, 11:32
and regarding directionality, my boss always said its better to keep the wires flowing the same way that it was strewn off the reel when the cable was made.
so at LFD that's what we did,
probably doesn't make any difference but hey :)
But more expensive than just the cable, which is already twisted?
my advice would be to try it first without the screen,
adding a screen can dull the sound a bit.
That was my conclusion as well, just lost a bit of the sparkle and transparency when the screen was connected. I have a bit of a snake pit of cables which caused interference, otherwise I would have left the screen disconnected.
brian2957
16-10-2016, 14:49
I've built a couple now and I prefer these interconnects with the shield connected .
That was my conclusion as well, just lost a bit of the sparkle and transparency when the screen was connected. I have a bit of a snake pit of cables which caused interference, otherwise I would have left the screen disconnected.
even only connected at one end?
Jeff Wood
16-10-2016, 15:20
But more expensive than just the cable, which is already twisted?
Wont be expensive, and what's outside the cable does make a difference, I might even try using ptfe sleeving, that was something we did at LFD on some interconnect cables.
This hifi lark can get a bit geeky at times :)
oceanobsession
16-10-2016, 18:09
Thanks folks for all your opinions , phil.
Shropshire Lad
16-01-2017, 08:26
Hi Brian
New Year's resolution - Sort my interconnects out !
So may I have a price for 2 sets 1m length please.
Thanks
Bigman80
16-01-2017, 11:13
I've built a couple now and I prefer these interconnects with the shield connected .
I concur
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brian2957
16-01-2017, 11:44
Hi Brian
New Year's resolution - Sort my interconnects out !
So may I have a price for 2 sets 1m length please.
Thanks
Hi I'm away from home at the moment . I will be at home later tonight . Can you please send me a PM and I'll get back to you as soon as I can . Thanks .
Just had a chance to try Brians (Brian2597)new silver/gold hybrid rca interconnect cables and whilst not the most eloquent wordsmith when it comes to describing what I hear I thought it only fair to pen a few words of praise.
Most of you will, I think, be familiar with the Klotz/MS Audio ICs that have been doing the rounds and which I have been using for some time, and have been very happy with, but you know what it's like always trying to get the best performance without breaking the bank.
Previously I thought that good ICs had to be big, prohibitively expensive, thick, chunky unwieldy things with posh plugs on, but these are just skinny little silver, flimsy looking flexible wires with basic looking RCA connectors.
These new ICs are like a breath of fresh air has blown through my system, to give you an idea I would like to use the age old analogy that hearing music recreated by a hifi is like looking at a picture through a window, now prior to fitting this new IC the picture looked ok but I would have a quick glance then become dis-interested and skip to another view, now it's like the window cleaners have been and not only have they cleaned both sides of the glass but inside the double glazing and gave my specs a quick buff:). I can now sit for hours listening to piece after piece without losing concentration the picture is that clear and much better focussed. After about 20 hours running in the performance is absolutely astounding:stalks:, simply put they seem to just get out of the way and let the music flow.
I believe a few on here have already trialled and kept these ICs and for good reason, the Klotz/MS Audio ones are good but these IMO are in a different league.
Brian's keeping the recipe for these close to his chest as he has invested a considerable amount of time and effort in developing these new interconnects, so please don't ask for the recipe:nono:, but I believe that he may be persuaded to build these to order.
If you are happy with your Klotz/MS Audio ones then :peace: be with you, if, like me however, you are always on the lookout for cheapish ways to improve your sound then you owe it to yourself to try these out.
And NO before you ask I'm not getting a kickback and don't even know the guy apart from ordering cables from him, I just think he deserves some well earned praise for his excellent work.
Brian:youtheman::respect:
Another new cable young Brian? You have been busy mate ....nice one
Bigman80
03-02-2017, 12:42
Do we have a picture of these Klotz killers ?
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I would if I could but I can't so I won't:D, honestly I still haven't learned to post pics yet(crap at 'puters and phone's a brick), Soverign(James)or the Black Adder(Josie) may add some in time or maybe even the Cable Guy himself.
Do we have a picture of these Klotz killers ?
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Another new cable young Brian? You have been busy mate ....nice one
These have been around for a while mate, and very good they are, too! They defo pull out more info from the mix than the Klotz, as good as those are in their own right. Highly recommended :thumbsup:
Marco.
I'm now using Brian's Klotz cables between my DAC and amp and CD player to amp.
Having recently acquired a rather nice Arcam CDP I've been able to experiment a bit trying different cables to see which best suit it's character. The Klotz pair Brian sent me to demo stole the show in this combination so it was an easy decision to go the whole hog in the system.
For me they have a great balance, detailed yet never add any harshness or hardness to the sound. They are cost effective and seem a perfect match for my current components. Brian as always a lovely guy to deal with and sent the cables promptly.
I'm very happy with these.
brian2957
03-02-2017, 20:32
Do we have a picture of these Klotz killers ?
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Picture as requested Oliver . These are a set of prototypes as I don't have a recent set which have all sold :)
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w2/brian2957/P1010842_zpshno9v39c.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/brian2957/media/P1010842_zpshno9v39c.jpg.html)
Bigman80
03-02-2017, 21:16
They look very interesting
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Still using the Brian Klotz specials in my system, haven't thought about interconnects in a long time...must be doing something right!
Firebottle
04-02-2017, 07:16
Nice looking cable Brian, I'll have to guess what it is ;)
The Black Adder
04-02-2017, 08:37
I have to say, that silver/gold hybrid ones that Brian make are utterly superb. I prefer them to the MC5000 ones in my system.
Nice looking cable Brian, I'll have to guess what it is ;)
I know what it is, but have been sworn to secrecy.
Brian spent a long time finding it, so I am not going to let the cat out of the bag.
I know what it is, but have been sworn to secrecy.
Brian spent a long time finding it, so I am not going to let the cat out of the bag.
Hope it was a blood oath Kevin. I will torture it out of him later ;)
Pieoftheday
22-02-2017, 20:49
I have to say, that silver/gold hybrid ones that Brian make are utterly superb. I prefer them to the MC5000 ones in my system.
+1,I'm surprised at the difference in my modest set up. The little ushers seem to have opened up quite a bit , there's more clarity no harshness,not that klotz made anything harsh,, hmm ,I've noticed only. Subtle difference with interconnect s usually,, Brian has Done a great job with these
Bourneendboy
15-03-2017, 20:38
I'm currently using some Klotz MC5000 but have an itch to try some Mark Grant HDX1 cables, anyone done a comparison? Or should I speak to Brian about some of his Silver/Gold cables?
Bigman80
15-03-2017, 20:49
I'm currently using some Klotz MC5000 but have an itch to try some Mark Grant HDX1 cables, anyone done a comparison? Or should I speak to Brian about some of his Silver/Gold cables?
Ive just tried some Mark Grant HD 1500. They are awful IMO. Bass heavy, muddy. If I had the cash id be buying Brian's Hybrids.
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The HDX1 are a different cable.
walpurgis
15-03-2017, 21:01
Ive just tried some Mark Grant HD 1500. They are awful IMO. Bass heavy, muddy. If I had the cash id be buying Brian's Hybrids.
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Ever tried Nordost? I have a couple of sets of Solar Wind interconnects, they suit my system extremely well. They aren't the only cables I use, but I do like these. Just don't run them over mains cables or transformers as they are not screened.
Bourneendboy
15-03-2017, 21:02
Ive just tried some Mark Grant HD 1500. They are awful IMO. Bass heavy, muddy. If I had the cash id be buying Brian's Hybrids.
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I've tried the previous cable and it wasn't for me, but as Kevin has said, the HDX1 different.
Bigman80
15-03-2017, 21:19
Ever tried Nordost? I have a couple of sets of Solar Wind interconnects, they suit my system extremely well. They aren't the only cables I use, but I do like these. Just don't run them over mains cables or transformers as they are not screened.
I haven't mate. They look very good and the reviews are good too.
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Bigman80
15-03-2017, 21:49
I've tried the previous cable and it wasn't for me, but as Kevin has said, the HDX1 different.
They will be different but i have to say, brian makes exceptional cables.
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How much are the cables? Would you send me a PM?
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brian2957
24-03-2017, 09:30
Hi Martin , you need a few more posts to use the PM system mate . ( 6 in total I think ) .
Hi Martin , you need a few more posts to use the PM system mate . ( 6 in total I think ) .
Ok, does this one count? :)
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i received brians silver rca leads today for my 774 tonearm,i have to say they are very well made and look the business. cheers brian. :)
thanks for tinning the ends too!
brian2957
26-04-2017, 16:14
Thanks for letting me know Jamie , hope you like the cables mate :)
im sure i will,they must be a step up from the old mission leads.can you pm me the price for interconnects please?
500mm or 800mm.
So I contacted Brian for a price on his interconnects and a few days later a beautifully made 1.5m set arrived in the post. When I say beautifully made I mean world class. Solid connectors, excellent labelling and cable nice and sturdy - I can easily imagine them lasting decades (Brian guarantees them for 'life').
Wide open, transparent sound - simply a well cleaned window to a world of music.
Would love to ABX test Brian's cables against high end (££££) cables.
Edward
brian2957
01-05-2017, 11:28
Thanks Edward , glad you like the interconnects. Pleasure doing business with you :)
brian,
ive turned the silver rca lead you made into an interconect,it sounded very good at the moment :)
brian2957
14-05-2017, 09:07
Cheers Jamie . Give them 30 hours of use , then they should sound their best :)
santodx5
01-07-2017, 05:24
Hi All,
I just bought MC5000 for my 7.1 system. So far I love it.
I was wondering how is it compare to the more expensive interconnect such as Analysis Plus or Wireworld. Have anyone compare them?
Thanks
brian2957
01-07-2017, 09:51
Hi Dan , I have had several people keep these interconnects and sell their much more expensive ones :)
I had the MC5000 supplied by Studiocare in Liverpool. I'm not really a cable believer but it is an exceptionally constructed item that would be very, very expensive if sold by an audiophile brand.
santodx5
02-07-2017, 06:28
Hi Brian,
A friend who is working in a pro audio industry recommend me MC5000. I'm using it for XLR with gold plated neutrix. Can you recommend which XLR connector is best for the MC5000?
Btw can you PM me about your new cable? how much is it? thanks
I used to use the Neutrik NC3FXX-BAG connectors.
If you want gold contacts, you need the NC3FXX-B version.
brian2957
02-07-2017, 10:06
Hi Brian,
A friend who is working in a pro audio industry recommend me MC5000. I'm using it for XLR with gold plated neutrix. Can you recommend which XLR connector is best for the MC5000?
Btw can you PM me about your new cable? how much is it? thanks
Hi Dan , you have PM .
Bigman80
03-07-2017, 17:52
I've done a few listening tests with the Klotz,VDH MCS 502, van damme UOFC with silver and some silver plated stuff and the Klotz is the best to my ears. with the MS Audio plugs but just as good with some rean plugs I have. Great find Brian.
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stonehenge
29-07-2017, 10:41
Hi Brian,
Ian7633 advised me about your cable for my newly acquired SME 3009 which works off regular RCA following modification by Johnny (AO). Could I have a price for a 1m stereo pair please.
Thank you ...... Steve
brian2957
29-07-2017, 12:50
Hi Steve , I think you can use the PM system on AOS now . I have sent you a message .
Purchased two set of Interconnects from Brian recently, they are absolutely excellent in my system,
these replaced very expensive interconnects which I was using,
Brian is a really great person to deal with, and communications are second to none.
thank you
Ray
brian2957
09-08-2017, 08:38
Thanks Ray , happy the silver hybrid interconnects are working well in your system . It was a pleasure doing business with you sir .
Hi
I read your post and I'm intrested in a one meter stereo pair and a 1.2 meter stereo pair with earth for my turntable.
Could you please let me know the cost.
Regards Steve...
Hi
I read your post and I'm intrested in a one meter stereo pair and a 1.2 meter stereo pair with earth for my turntable.
Could you please let me know the cost.
Regards Steve...
Floyddroid
10-09-2017, 11:41
I have three pairs of these interconnects. Great cables and embarrass many expensive cables. However, one of the cables I bought from someone on this forum works really well with my turntable totally eliminating hum. This obviously has something to do with how the cable has been configured. Can anyone shine some light on this? Many thanks.
brian2957
10-09-2017, 13:26
Are you fitting the cable with the direction arrow facing away from source mate ?
Are you fitting the cable with the direction arrow facing away from source mate ?
Hi Brian
I continue to love the cables I got from you already.
I know I'm replying to your post addressed to Steve but I have a question if I may? How does direction cables actually work given that one side is the return path?
Bigman80
10-09-2017, 13:48
Hi Brian
I continue to love the cables I got from you already.
I know I'm replying to your post addressed to Steve but I have a question if I may? How does direction cables actually work given that one side is the return path?One end is shield attached, one isn't. The shielded end goes on the output
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One end is shield attached, one isn't. The shielded end goes on the output
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So less RFI or something else?
Bigman80
10-09-2017, 13:52
So less RFI or something else?It's supposed to reduce interference but in my experience it really only mattered with my TT. CD player etc, made no difference
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brian2957
10-09-2017, 14:00
Yes reduced RFI Edward . Ultimately though , I tried these cables in all configurations and used the one which sounded best to my (and others ) ears .
Bigman80
10-09-2017, 15:12
I followed Brian's recipe and built my own. I have to admit, I never feel the need to swap cables. Very very good things they are.
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Floyddroid
10-09-2017, 15:27
Are you fitting the cable with the direction arrow facing away from source mate ?
Yes Brian. Should I try them the other way round?
brian2957
10-09-2017, 16:13
Yes Brian. Should I try them the other way round?
Wouldn't do any harm Steve . You never know :)
brian2957
10-09-2017, 16:15
I followed Brian's recipe and built my own. I have to admit, I never feel the need to swap cables. Very very good things they are.
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You do realise that this design is patented Oliver :) Do not pass GO and do not collect £200 :ner:
Bigman80
10-09-2017, 16:17
You do realise that this design is patented Oliver :) Do not pass GO and do not collect £200 :ner:Haha, I hope not lol.
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brian2957
10-09-2017, 16:21
Haha, I hope not lol.
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Oh... I forgot , please send me your Firebottle Monoblocks as compensation or I'll send the boys down :smoking:
Bigman80
10-09-2017, 17:34
Oh... I forgot , please send me your Firebottle Monoblocks as compensation or I'll send the boys down :smoking:Ah, well you'd better send the boys lol. The Monos are going nowhere 🤣
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brian2957
10-09-2017, 17:38
Ah, well you'd better send the boys lol. The Monos are going nowhere ��
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Judging by a previous discussion we had I better send quite a few :lol:
Bigman80
10-09-2017, 17:39
Judging by a previous discussion we had I better send quite a few [emoji38][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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Hi Brian,
can you send me the price for a 1M pair of MS Audio/Klotz MC5000 interconnects?
Thanks
Hi Brian
Have you ever tried the Van Damme Tour Grade Classic XKE Microphone Cable?
My application and experience is for balanced leads using XLR connectors, but may carry over to single ended use.
I have been using the Klotz MC5000, sounds great, but the conductors are too big for one of my projects, just won't fit through the holes in the PCB, so I started looking at alternatives and tried the Van Damme.
As a test, I used 1m pair of each, between my Pre-Amp and Power Amp for comparison.
The Klotz is warmer and fuller in the mids, it has slightly softer leading/trailing edges to notes, this can work to its advantage with some recordings, especially vocals. Piano is slightly more realistic.
The Van Damme is more sharply defined, more transparent and with a more focused and prominent sound stage. Its more dynamic and can scare the bejeezus out of you when a loud impact bursts out of no where. Bass is no deeper than the Klotz but seems to have more impact by not being as blurred at the edges. Double bass is slightly more realistic.
It's hard to say which I prefer at this point, as they offer very different presentations.
Depending on the rest of your set up, you will probably favor one over the other.
For anyone who is experiencing too warm or lush a sound from the Klotz with their gear, it offers a good alternative, but bear in mind I was using it balanced, so YMMV. At less than £2/M it wont break the bank to try it.
Bigman80
25-05-2018, 22:59
Hi Brian
Have you ever tried the Van Damme Tour Grade Classic XKE Microphone Cable?
My application and experience is for balanced leads using XLR connectors, but may carry over to single ended use.
I have been using the Klotz MC5000, sounds great, but the conductors are too big for one of my projects, just won't fit through the holes in the PCB, so I started looking at alternatives and tried the Van Damme.
As a test, I used 1m pair of each, between my Pre-Amp and Power Amp for comparison.
The Klotz is warmer and fuller in the mids, it has slightly softer leading/trailing edges to notes, this can work to its advantage with some recordings, especially vocals. Piano is slightly more realistic.
The Van Damme is more sharply defined, more transparent and with a more focused and prominent sound stage. Its more dynamic and can scare the bejeezus out of you when a loud impact bursts out of no where. Bass is no deeper than the Klotz but seems to have more impact by not being as blurred at the edges. Double bass is slightly more realistic.
It's hard to say which I prefer at this point, as they offer very different presentations.
Depending on the rest of your set up, you will probably favor one over the other.
For anyone who is experiencing too warm or lush a sound from the Klotz with their gear, it offers a good alternative, but bear in mind I was using it balanced, so YMMV. At less than £2/M it wont break the bank to try it.Brian has tried everything, the guy is a cable guru.
I've only liked a single Van Damme cable and that was the Lo-Cap stuff. Their best by far. The Rest (I believe I have tried almost all of their range) have a rather flappy bottom end and indistinguishable mids. Imaging is poor and their overall performance is not what I'd call "good"
Klotz are somewhat veiled and regardless of how well they perform for the money, it's something I couldnt live with once I'd heard better. A good "starter" cable to improve in the "out the box" red and whites.
GAC 1 is muddy in the midst and the bass is bloated. Really didn't rate this stuff at all.
Sommer Carbocab (?) Is much better but more expensive. It's still well within the budget cable market and if I were building budget cables for someone, that's what I'd recommend. Pay a bit more and get a better cable.
RCA plugs, go for MSaudio plugs for budget, AECO for midrange and KLEI harmony or WBT for Sunday best.
Brian has tried everything, the guy is a cable guru.
I've only liked a single Van Damme cable and that was the Lo-Cap stuff. Their best by far. The Rest (I believe I have tried almost all of their range) have a rather flappy bottom end and indistinguishable mids. Imaging is poor and their overall performance is not what I'd call "good"
Klotz are somewhat veiled and regardless of how well they perform for the money, it's something I couldnt live with once I'd heard better. A good "starter" cable to improve in the "out the box" red and whites.
GAC 1 is muddy in the midst and the bass is bloated. Really didn't rate this stuff at all.
Sommer Carbocab (?) Is much better but more expensive. It's still well within the budget cable market and if I were building budget cables for someone, that's what I'd recommend. Pay a bit more and get a better cable.
RCA plugs, go for MSaudio plugs for budget, AECO for midrange and KLEI harmony or WBT for Sunday best.
Most of these cables are meant for balanced use i.e. two conductors in a screen, which may effect the results, the XKE mic cable is giving me great bass in balanced use. I tried the low cap silver in single ended use and I have a few of the Sommer cables for digital AES use and balanced phono stage leads. Some swear by Mogami, particularly the star quad balanced, but never heard it myself.
Bigman80
25-05-2018, 23:30
Most of these cables are meant for balanced use i.e. two conductors in a screen, which may effect the results, the XKE mic cable is giving me great bass in balanced use. I tried the low cap silver in single ended use and I have a few of the Sommer cables for digital AES use and phono stage leads. Some swear by Mogami, particularly the star quad balanced, but never heard it myself.That's true, different uses will later things but the general characteristics of the cable will remain. If it's working for you then jobs a good un, its saving you a fortune! lol.
Had to look up what Spotfire cables were and caught Alan's thread.
Is the make up suitable for balanced use with XLR connectors?
If it is the cable I think it is, it is a balanced cable so would be fine.
Bigman80
26-05-2018, 08:16
Had to look up what Spotfire cables were and caught Alan's thread.
Is the make up suitable for balanced use with XLR connectors?It can be done, as can anything but it's not something I've tried, having no XLR requirements in my system.
It can be done, as can anything but it's not something I've tried, having no XLR requirements in my system.
My set up is balanced from cartridge tags to power amps and DAC route as well.
Appart from my DIY active crossover it is all differential balanced circuits.
So a shielded twisted pair is the usual method employed, I use Neutrik gold contact XLR's so nothing fancy there.
I may try the Sommer "CarboKab" though I can't find it on their website and also some Mogami 2534. 1m runs of each to compare with the Klotz and Van Damme I already have. The connectors will cost more than the cable so its just finding the time to make em up and try them.
I thought I was happy with the Klotz, till I experienced a very different sound from the Van Damme, so I am now curious what the other two will bring to the table.
Bigman80
26-05-2018, 14:36
The Mogami is good and I prefer it to the Klotz.
My set up is balanced from cartridge tags to power amps and DAC route as well.
Appart from my DIY active crossover it is all differential balanced circuits.
So a shielded twisted pair is the usual method employed, I use Neutrik gold contact XLR's so nothing fancy there.
I may try the Sommer "CarboKab" though I can't find it on their website and also some Mogami 2534. 1m runs of each to compare with the Klotz and Van Damme I already have. The connectors will cost more than the cable so its just finding the time to make em up and try them.
I thought I was happy with the Klotz, till I experienced a very different sound from the Van Damme, so I am now curious what the other two will bring to the table.
https://shop.sommercable.com/en/Cables/Bulk-Cables-Audio/Mikrofonkabel-SC-Carbokab-225-200-0281.html You will find it here.
i use it and found it too be a step up from the klotz.
Stryder5
26-05-2018, 16:21
My set up is balanced from cartridge tags to power amps and DAC route as well.
Appart from my DIY active crossover it is all differential balanced circuits.
So a shielded twisted pair is the usual method employed, I use Neutrik gold contact XLR's so nothing fancy there.
I may try the Sommer "CarboKab" though I can't find it on their website and also some Mogami 2534. 1m runs of each to compare with the Klotz and Van Damme I already have. The connectors will cost more than the cable so its just finding the time to make em up and try them.
I thought I was happy with the Klotz, till I experienced a very different sound from the Van Damme, so I am now curious what the other two will bring to the table.
CarboKab 225 on eBay .
Thanks for the links guys,
I want to try and finalize the interconnects prior to voicing my speakers.
I've made the final choice for discrete op-amps for the active crossover and power amps, though some are still on route from the States. I want it all in place to do the last tweaking of the attenuators, prior to replacing them with fixed resistor networks.
CarboKab 225 on eBay .
Bugger, its from Designacable, just had an order back from them 2 days ago.
Jamie - Thanks for the heads up.
But for a bit more, you get a better cable, and then a bit more than that, you can get a better cable etc.
But for a bit more, you get a better cable, and then a bit more than that, you can get a better cable etc.
Trouble is, for every price point, there are cables that will work well with your equipment and those that work less well.
It gets quite expensive trying the many options as you work up through the ranks, as recommendations may not suit.
I'm keeping things reasonably simple (Cheap) for now, as I am in the process of upgrading my Power Amps (x2 Stereo or x4 Mono) and my Pre/Dac.
I am already getting the best sound I have ever had in my room, the equipment upgrades should take me to another level. So cables will no doubt come back into the equation, to make the most of the changes, though I am not one for spending massively in this area.
There will always be arguments about cables but bigger differences are made elsewhere. It then just becomes what is worth paying for and what us not. Personally, I believe that cables from Klotz , Van Damme and Mogami all do a highly cost effective job.
Meanwhile, a friend and I used some mains cable cut from a lawnmower and could hear no difference to the £400 per metre cable he was previously using in his high end system!
Bigman80
27-05-2018, 10:12
There will always be arguments about cables but bigger differences are made elsewhere. It then just becomes what is worth paying for and what us not. Personally, I believe that cables from Klotz , Van Damme and Mogami all do a highly cost effective job.
Meanwhile, a friend and I used some mains cable cut from a lawnmower and could hear no difference to the £400 per metre cable he was previously using in his high end system!Nope, not going over this subject again lol
theres a lot of klotz being sold lately,i wonder what everyones ditching them for??
Bigman80
27-05-2018, 10:21
theres a lot of klotz being sold lately,i wonder what everyones ditching them for??They are a good step up from standard cables, maybe folk are all just moving on at the same time. But to what?............
The Black Adder
27-05-2018, 13:28
theres a lot of klotz being sold lately,i wonder what everyones ditching them for??
I have noticed that too.
I sold mine because I have moved my kit so bought some more Mark Grant HDX1's. The Klotz had been in my box for a while and had no urge to use them again.
The Klotz are great, but in the long run, not for me. Something (occasionally) wasn't gelling. http://theartofsound.net/images/smilies/smile.gif So maybe I'm just too used to the sound from the MG cables as I've been using them for donkeys.
Brian's builds are excellent though, top quality, top service 10/10. Top man.
The Silver/Gold ones which Brian made for me were excellent in my system. On a par with MG's in certain areas but had more zing which between source's and pre was the best place I found. Alas I needed so many in different lengths I couldn't justify the cost.
Are you building them again, Brian?
The only ones I've not tried are the Carabou? Ones. Which are supposed to be a step up from the Klotz.
Selling my 3 spare ones because they have sat unused in a drawer for about 6 months now.
Just decided it was time to have a clear out, have a load of kit I used to use still here.
Not selling mine as I'm swapping to something else, happy with what I'm currently using...£500 a pop and the first thing I'd heard that made me want to upgrade from Brian's cables.
wee tee cee
02-06-2018, 16:38
I tend to hold onto all my kit and cables.
End up making systems that go to family and friends.
All Brians cables have been superb.
He indulged me(after loads of pestering) and made up some exotic wires that are truly superb ....i just dont have the skill to do it myself.
With a bit of negotiation he has made some really outstanding ics.
No substitution for experience IMHO!!!
Hypnotist
23-01-2019, 16:54
I thought I'd try a 1m length of Klotz MC5000 and aquired some, and all I'll say first is "Brian you earn every penny" making up the cables, I'm a Auto-Electrician and very good at soldering, I've worked with far easier cable than Klotz MC5000. On burn in now to see how it compares to Van Damme Pro Classic
The Klotz is easy to solder.
Try the Sommer Carbokab 225, as preparing it takes much more work.
brian2957
23-01-2019, 19:18
I thought I'd try a 1m length of Klotz MC5000 and aquired some, and all I'll say first is "Brian you earn every penny" making up the cables, I'm a Auto-Electrician and very good at soldering, I've worked with far easier cable than Klotz MC5000. On burn in now to see how it compares to Van Damme Pro Classic
Thanks Dave :) Hope you like them . There are many happy users , some outwith the forum :)
I bought a used pair of these off the forum last week,I’ve only used kimber pbj for the last 20 years and haven’t ever swapped anything in or out,I was expecting pretty much the same sound or possibly not as good,I’m still scratching my head at how much better they are,total step up,I actually thought the volume had accidentally gone up,got the dB meter out to check and it was exactly the same as I swapped them backwards and forwards,so really unsure how that could happen,greater dynamic range???
Hypnotist
24-01-2019, 21:01
Strange isn't it the differences,I put it down to "owing too":D
brian2957
24-01-2019, 22:36
Hi Lee , glad you like them . I'm a firm believer in shielded interconnects , which PJB are not . Maybe that's the difference .
They are a good step up from standard cables, maybe folk are all just moving on at the same time. But to what?............
SPOTFIRE? Maybe it's time for a trade account!;)
Marco.
The only ones I've not tried are the Carabou? Ones. Which are supposed to be a step up from the Klotz.
As Kevin says, try some Sommer Carbokab 225s, with silver MS Audio plugs. That's what I'm using, and in my system, they're a step up from the Klotz. However, that didn't stop me from using MC5000s in my 'bad-ass' stereo for the car!;)
Marco.
Bigman80
25-01-2019, 11:29
SPOTFIRE? Maybe it's time for a trade account!;)
Marco.Well, if I was a trader, I'd have one! Do you do hobbyist accounts? [emoji848]
Hypnotist
18-02-2019, 20:43
You may recall a few weeks back I made up some interconnects with the Klotz cables, well I removed them and went back to the van Damme as I thought they lacked a bit of detail. I changed back to the Klotz cable again and put another 20hrs on them, seems there was not enough hours burn in time, as if by magic the hours went on towards 20hrs the cables opened up, the transformation between 10hrs and 30hrs totally changed my perception and I'm sticking with the Klotz.
Probably needing to recable all my interconnects soon. Need to give it some thought soon. Lol
Bigman80
18-02-2019, 21:06
You may recall a few weeks back I made up some interconnects with the Klotz cables, well I removed them and went back to the van Damme as I thought they lacked a bit of detail. I changed back to the Klotz cable again and put another 20hrs on them, seems there was not enough hours burn in time, as if by magic the hours went on towards 20hrs the cables opened up, the transformation between 10hrs and 30hrs totally changed my perception and I'm sticking with the Klotz.Careful, talk on burn in will get the blood going in some folk [emoji23]
brian2957
18-02-2019, 21:23
You may recall a few weeks back I made up some interconnects with the Klotz cables, well I removed them and went back to the van Damme as I thought they lacked a bit of detail. I changed back to the Klotz cable again and put another 20hrs on them, seems there was not enough hours burn in time, as if by magic the hours went on towards 20hrs the cables opened up, the transformation between 10hrs and 30hrs totally changed my perception and I'm sticking with the Klotz.
I always recommended 20 - 30 hours of burn in for these interconnects Dave . I've tried loads of interconnects and always return to the Klotz MC5000s :)
brian2957
18-02-2019, 21:24
Probably needing to recable all my interconnects soon. Need to give it some thought soon. Lol
Gimme a bell if you want a hand Grant :)
Radical Larry
26-02-2019, 17:50
Hi Brian,
Would you be able to give me a quote please on a 1m length of MS Audio / KlotzMC5000? (That is if you are still supplying these!)
Thank you for your time,
Regards
Malc
brian2957
26-02-2019, 18:00
You have PM Malc .
Brian I would like 1m RCA-RCA and 0.5m RCA-RCA, price please, thanks.
Also hae just posted re XLR adaptors as have issue as streamer is RCA out only and only spare input on amp is XLR, other option would be switching box, advice please. Thanks
brian2957
08-05-2020, 12:40
You have PM Gary .
Hi Brian,
Could you let me know a price for for RCA-RCA pairs of 0.4m and 0.9m please? I am interested in the MS Audio/Klotz MC5000 version from the title, I haven't read the whole thread, but I have seen mention of other versions, so prices for whatever options you are producing at the moment would be really useful.
Thanks,
Phil
brian2957
17-05-2020, 17:01
Hi Phil , you have PM .
Sorry Phil , never noticed ,you need 5 or more posts for the PM system to work .
So, a change of house and a new music room means that my current cables are probably too long. So, it could be time to try something new. :eyebrows:
Could you give me a quote for two sets of 0.5m RCA - RCA?
Ta!
brian2957
16-08-2021, 07:06
Morning Peter, you have PM.
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