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talisman2
03-05-2014, 19:40
i recently fitted a Goldring 1042 to my Ittok on the old LP12 to replace the previous tenent (Ortofon VMS20E), and i have realised just how much information i have been missing . although the ortofon played music and was very good (it was a freebie) for what it was, it was only when the Goldring was fitted , that i realised just how good the 1042 is , and that it is worth all the recommendations it has been given over the many years since it's introduction . thanks to Richard and Simon

twotone
03-05-2014, 19:47
I've the Roksan version of the cart, a Reson Reca, which is fantastic, certainly the best cart I've ever heard in my system.

I have just bought a Firebottle valve phono amp and the seller optimised the amp for the cart, couldn't be happier.

Tony

DSJR
03-05-2014, 22:16
VMS20 in an ITTOK? Cripes :eek:

guy
03-05-2014, 22:23
VMS20 in an ITTOK? Cripes :eek:

I seem to remember that in the old days of "source first" and "GIGO" the cartridge wasn't really considered to be the source ie LP12/ITTOK/ inexpensive cartridge/budget amp/minimax speakers was acceptable.

walpurgis
03-05-2014, 22:25
LP12/ITTOK/ inexpensive cartridge/budget amp/minimax speakers was acceptable.

Those were the (daft) days! :)

The Barbarian
03-05-2014, 23:15
The old Barbarian is going ter do some trial's with total mismatches.. just ter see iffin der Pick-Up mass arm Vs Cartridge compliance is ballerkz.

walpurgis
03-05-2014, 23:22
The old Barbarian is going ter do some trial's with total mismatches.. just ter see iffin der Pick-Up mass arm Vs Cartridge compliance is ballerkz.

Well, if you're going for it Andr'e. Try an old Ortofon M15E in a Lustre arm, or a Decca 4RC in a Linn LVX. ;)

The Barbarian
03-05-2014, 23:27
The old Barbarian has had his Denon 'DL-110' singing like a lark.. fitted to his SME '3009,S2 Imp' Fixed Head shell..The old barbarian is always up for exposing bullshitery

walpurgis
03-05-2014, 23:28
The old Barbarian has had his Denon 'DL-110' singing like a lark.. fitted to his SME '3009,S2 Imp' Fixed Head shell..

Well that shouldn't work! :scratch:

(still prefer the DL-160 though)

The Barbarian
03-05-2014, 23:32
I know but it did

:scratch:
A brilliant value for money cart all the same..

walpurgis
03-05-2014, 23:38
I know but it did

:scratch:
A brilliant value for money cart all the same..

Buy a ZYX R50 and just forget about choosing cartridges. (you'd need a good SUT though)

Rush2112
08-05-2014, 20:18
Well this takes me back ! Cartridge matching - Effective Compliance Versus Arm Mass results in a Resonant Frequency  ( of the cantilever ) the idea being generally that you don't match high mass arms with high compliance cartridges or low mass arms with low compliance cartridges. For more info see:-

http://www.theanalogdept.com/cartridge___arm_matching.htm

But as with all things there are exceptions to every rule ! Like the miss held belief of many in the vinyl hey day that only LP12's worked in all Linn or all Naim systems ! Now that's bull shit if ever I heard any ! So as with everything use your ears where you can before you buy.

NRG
08-05-2014, 22:06
Matching is not BS, its physics and the matching charts are meant as a guide ;) The DL-110 compliance is measured at 100Hz, for matching its compliance at 10Hz is much greater (multiply by 1.8) so instead of 8x10-6cm/Dyne its nearer to 14 or 15x10-6cm/Dyne...

Plug that into the charts, add a gram or two for the fixings and you'll find the S2 Improved Fixed Headshell is not as "far off" as it first looks at ~12Hz...probably the reason it works OK :D

Rush2112
09-05-2014, 19:09
Absolutely on the money !

nat8808
11-05-2014, 03:19
I had an Audio Note version of the 1042, IQ3 - that was very good.


I've the Roksan version of the cart, a Reson Reca, which is fantastic, certainly the best cart I've ever heard in my system.


Just to be a pedant, the Roksan version is the Roksan Corus and the Reson Reca is the ... Reson version.

All these versions, I think, use exactly the same body... but the replacable needle is different. I wonder what someone like Northwest Analogue could do by fitting a fancy needle on one.

nat8808
11-05-2014, 03:20
I've got a couple of NOS cartridges and wonder how they will sound when I eventually get around to mounting them on an arm - I keep putting it off incase the suspension has gone and the needle falls off straight away..

I've never had a new cart before.