View Full Version : Pissed off with Pistorius
walpurgis
15-04-2014, 09:37
Am I the only one? It seems every time I get a news channel on TV, there's live broadcast of Pistorius blubbering his way through the trial. Why? This is a man who in the world scheme of things is basically insignificant. Yet the coverage is huge and I'm very bored with it.
Regardless of his unfortunate disability, my impression is that this is a man who acts rather like a child and is used to having things go his way. Just my opinion, but I reckon he was having a rage tantrum and lost the plot when he killed the girl. Whether he gets away with killing (murdering?) his girlfriend or is found guilty is will certainly be of no significance in my life.
There are far more important issues for the news media to be addressing. Or, is this just TV hours on the cheap?
chris@panteg
15-04-2014, 09:43
It is getting a bit much, and I agree Pistorius is trying to wiggle his way out of it with this pathetic act!
Hope justice is done and quickly!
At first glance I thought the title of this thread was "Pist off with Pistorius"
stupinder
15-04-2014, 10:47
Yep, bored senseless with it and reach for the remote every time the coverage comes on the box!
Roses are red
Violets are glorious
Don't sneak up
On......
an oldie but a goodie me thinks.
Yep, bored senseless with it and reach for the remote every time the coverage comes on the box!
Roses are red
Violets are glorious
Don't sneak up
On......
an oldie but a goodie me thinks.
Lol
he's not much of a role model is he? His tears are cried in self-pity, I think.
Hmm. I'm bored witless with it all and not too inclined to feel very sorry for him.
But, in the interests of justice, I'm slightly appalled. It it is hard to see how much more the police and prosecution could have done to bollox up their own case. The police and forensic procedure had so contaminated everything that it is a minor miracle the case hasn't been thrown out. And the prosecutor would have been shut down in this country if he had tried bullying a witness in the way he has been allowed to for five days.
Still, an SA case affecting SA nationals. But then we go and extradite a UK national to face this kind of farce.
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My gut feeling is that he was spoilt as a child and his reactions now stem from this. I suspect he acted in a fit of rage but I can't know that for sure. We have to bear in mind that there is a real terror amongst many South Africans around the violence that's commonplace there.
The level of coverage on TV is totally ridiculous. The prosecutor is just as annoying as Pistorius possibly more so.
The prosecuter does have a proper comedy South African accent, though.
istari_knight
15-04-2014, 14:05
Its a shame "The running man" is fictional... I would have enjoyed watching him on that.
I wonder if the protagonists in the 'Pistoffious' courtroom drama are at all concerned that the situation in the Ukraine might be affecting their viewing figures as this story is clearly at No1 in the news charts. I'm sure they would prefer it if the situation were reversed, kinda like when Ultravox were kept off the top spot by Joe Dolce years ago... Ah, shuddupa ya face!!!
kinda like when Ultravox were kept off the top spot by Joe Dolce years ago... Ah, shuddupa ya face!!!
Dave,
you say that, but I know which single I'm gladder to have in my collection. Who's Midge Ure anyway? :D
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Dave,
you say that, but I know which single I'm gladder to have in my collection. Who's Midge Ure anyway? :D
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Ah shudu........ :D
Dave,
you say that, but I know which single I'm gladder to have in my collection. Who's Midge Ure anyway? :D
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Haha, you don't do you?
Ah shudu........ :D
?? It's "Ah Vienna" isn't it? Or is that the Japanese version? I've a Kraftwerk Computer World single with the japanese version of Pocket Calculator on the reverse - is good.
In some ways, whilst not nice, in some ways a little disgusting... it is still interesting to listen to the emotional reactions, just as an experience.
Several things have stuck in my mind over the years, as audio (not seen any trial tv, don't have a tv), human tragedy reactions and it helps form you as a human being, compassion, making sensible decisions over risk taking etc, takes you away from your (well, my) comfortable life into other's realities. Not that one wants to be surrounded by it constantly of course.
I personally hear someone genuinely grieved by their own actions - but that doesn't rule either way for what is actually being tried here.
Haha, you don't do you?
There are some things a gentleman never divulges:eyebrows:.
There are times I'm so glad I don't have a TV licence and this is one of them :D
mee too, no TV in the house.. Thank G for that...
My mom came around last week and she looked at the trial on a tablet... she is from SA so that may explain why she is so interested in it... from the bits I saw and heard, it seems that this guy is deep in the sheet. How could he have shot 4 times without being sure that his girl friend wasn't in there... t'seems totally unrealistic IMO.
twelvebears
15-04-2014, 19:15
So just to be clear, you awoke in the night thinking there was an intruder in your house. You then either didn't bother to check whether your partner was in bed next to you, or if you did and realised she wasn't, chose to fire through a locked bathroom door before establishing where she actually was.
Furthermore, you decided to tackle this 'intruder' without your legs. With them, you can outrun almost any man on the planet, without them, you are Toulouse-Lautrec.
Really??
So just to be clear, you awoke in the night thinking there was an intruder in your house. You then either didn't bother to check whether your partner was in bed next to you, or if you did and realised she wasn't, chose to fire through a locked bathroom door before establishing where she actually was.
Furthermore, you decided to tackle this 'intruder' without your legs. With them, you can outrun almost any man on the planet, without them, you are Toulouse-Lautrec.
Really??
And that sums up the case for the prosecution your honour ....... GUILTY!!! ........ <CLANG> ........ NEXT!!! ;)
That's only good reasoning if everyone behaves in the same way - doesn't take into account unusual behaviour like someone who completely freaked out, was half asleep and before he knew what he was doing, he'd already let off 4 shots. Depends on a lot of things - previous uncontrolled behaviour to which he realises later was completely irrational, real level of fear, real comfort with guns so much so that it's nothing to shoot them off quickly in a blind panic etc etc
Problem with brief judgement is that it discounts the unusual - but the unusual does happen. I mean, to most people, the crimes happening at all is unusual enough!
Duty of the trial to explore everything and try to bring out the truth.. and, at least in the UK, beyond reasonable doubt. I guess some doubt is considered unreasonable..
Problem is the certainty of his statement.
And that sums up the case for the prosecution your honour ....... GUILTY!!! ........ <CLANG> ........ NEXT!!! ;)
I think you need to re-think your signature in this context !
walpurgis
15-04-2014, 23:14
the crimes happening at all is unusual enough!
In South Africa?
And, if he was a person that felt "real comfort" having guns about and prone to "shoot them off quickly in a blind panic", perhaps he shouldn't have had one. In any case, somebody who's comfortable around guns (like me), is probably a person who is most unlikely to panic! Seemingly not the case with Pistorius.
A good few years ago I went to visit my brother in law who had a house in Jo'burg.
Was totally shocked that a lot of houses have a "final redoubt" room packed to the rafters with all sorts of weapons stored ready to deal with any intruders. The estate where he lived was surrounded by high walls topped with barbed wire and an armed guard at the gates. Car-jacking wasn't uncommon and then muggings was not unusual either.
In that context and environment, it could be argued that in any day of any year that "final redoubt" could be the last resort to deal with an intruder, so was it that inate fear of an intruder in the middle of the night that Pisty was driven by and reacted irrationally? All he had to do was shout through the locked door "Who's in there?" and the voice of Steena in response would have instantly told him it was no intruder.
I could be wrong as my trip to Jo'burg was a good 15 years or more ago and what I saw may not be representative of the place now.
Faults that it may have, I am so glad that we still have some resemblance of a life without fear like that in this country.
A good few years ago I went to visit my brother in law who had a house in Jo'burg.
Was totally shocked that a lot of houses have a "final redoubt" room packed to the rafters with all sorts of weapons stored ready to deal with any intruders. The estate where he lived was surrounded by high walls topped with barbed wire and an armed guard at the gates. Car-jacking wasn't uncommon and then muggings was not unusual either.
In that context and environment, it could be argued that in any day of any year that "final redoubt" could be the last resort to deal with an intruder, so was it that inate fear of an intruder in the middle of the night that Pisty was driven by and reacted irrationally? All he had to do was shout through the locked door "Who's in there?" and the voice of Steena in response would have instantly told him it was no intruder.
I could be wrong as my trip to Jo'burg was a good 15 years or more ago and what I saw may not be representative of the place now.
Faults that it may have, I am so glad that we still have some resemblance of a life without fear like that in this country.
I'm afraid Jo'burg is still like that if not more so.
Sadly the final redoubt is generally useless if it does not succeed in buying enough time for an armed response team to get there as the intruders often set fire to the house. I think, practically, apart for the time buying aspect, what it does achieve is saving the women from being molested and all from being tortured before being killed. It is not just SA, nor just white people, either, you get similar stories in Kenya and Nigeria.
I suppose inevitable when you consider the yawning gap between haves and have nots. But what a way to live...
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I'm afraid Jo'burg is still like that if not more so.
Sadly the final redoubt is generally useless if it does not succeed in buying enough time for an armed response team to get there as the intruders often set fire to the house. I think, practically, apart for the time buying aspect, what it does achieve is saving the women from being molested and all from being tortured before being killed. It is not just SA, nor just white people, either, you get similar stories in Kenya and Nigeria.
I suppose inevitable when you consider the yawning gap between haves and have nots. But what a way to live...
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Methinks I will cross those places off my list of preferred holiday destinations as well :oops:
KC Jones
16-04-2014, 12:31
Deceided many years ago with limited R&R time to follow the good advice given in the childrens holiday TV program ' Why don't you....'
I don't get it. if you don't have a TV how do you watch 'Ancient Aliens' and 'Wheeler Dealers'?
Serious question btw...
I don't get it. if you don't have a TV how do you watch 'Ancient Aliens' and 'Wheeler Dealers'?
Serious question btw...
Illegal downloads via the Internet?
Deceided many years ago with limited R&R time to follow the good advice given in the childrens holiday TV program ' Why don't you....'
Not only do I not have a TV, I rarely read a newspaper or listen to the news on the radio. Most of what's reported has zero interest for me, and zero impact on my life. If I can manage without the news when I'm on holiday, I can manage without it for the remaining weeks of the year.
istari_knight
16-04-2014, 12:55
Ancient Aliens
I love that program - Pure genius !
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/158/329/9189283.jpg
I love that program - Pure genius !
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/158/329/9189283.jpg
Kim Jong Un would not approve of that haircut... :eyebrows:
istari_knight
16-04-2014, 15:56
The blokes a mentalist but highly entertaining.
istari_knight
16-04-2014, 15:56
Both the aliens dude & Kim Jong Un that is :D
Both the aliens dude & Kim Jong Un that is :D
Kim is an alien dontcha know, I read it on t'internet so it must be true... :lol:
istari_knight
16-04-2014, 16:08
Lemme guess, he's a reptilian ? :eyebrows:
KC Jones
16-04-2014, 17:30
Not only do I not have a TV, I rarely read a newspaper or listen to the news on the radio. Most of what's reported has zero interest for me, and zero impact on my life. If I can manage without the news when I'm on holiday, I can manage without it for the remaining weeks of the year.
Aye, The news wouldn't be too bad if it was reported as ''news'' and not ''entertainment''. For some reason the media feels it has to produce pretty much all news with an added entertainment value rather than just plain reported facts. Everything is getting dumbed down these days! Even music!!!
Illegal downloads via the Internet?
Too much hassle for me. Although I did use to go round to a mates house to watch the latest episodes of TheSopranos rather than wait six months for Channel 4 to show them. That was worth the effort, though.
Kim Jong Un is the dictator dude wifh the fancy hair cut isn't it ? Incredible ! he freaks me out every time I see him on my tablet.. imagine on a large TV screen !!
I see he got away with murder. WAOW, thats an amazing verdict.
Oscar Pistorius will find out in six weeks' time what punishment he will face after being found guilty of culpable homicide for the death of his model girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.
The Sentencing Judge Masipa has wide discretion over the sentence. Pistorius could face a fine, a suspended sentence, correctional supervision and community service or up to 15 years in prison. The maximum jail sentence for culpable homicide is rarely exercised, and a term of two to seven years seems most likely should Masipa choose prison. In this event, Pistorius would be entitled to seek parole after serving half of his sentence.
Should correctional supervision be seen as appropriate, a wide range of options would be available to Masipa, including community service, reporting to a police station at regular intervals and attending rehabilitation programmes.
I suppose the definition of murder varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. My take is that he was pissed off that she wouldn't continue to argue with him and had locked herself in the bathroom. The weapon was right there and he fired into the door in frustration. Probably didn't consider that the rounds would go straight through. I doubt he intended to harm her, he is just an immature kid and it was a heat of the moment thing. Should he face some time in jail? I think yes but not the same as someone who has killed with malice aforethought.
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