View Full Version : The "MYSTERY CABLE" - revisited.
Isn't that used for washing out paint brushes? ;)
that must rate as one of the most worrying posts on this thread :eek:
Firebottle
19-04-2014, 07:12
I think you really are over complicating what needs no complications.
+1
Ali Tait
19-04-2014, 10:42
Do you want the violin case and the highland cows head back Ali :)
:lol:
How very dare ye!
The boys will be round soon...
Someone told me they saw you driving a little white van signwritten with the words "Malkys 'R' Us" :lol:
Ali Tait
19-04-2014, 11:02
Aye, need the Highland cow's head for the bonnet.
choirboy
19-04-2014, 14:55
I think I'm going to keep out of this whole discussion as I think it's getting too personal and a bit nasty and I don't do nasty...!!
I have shelled out nearly £500 for my own SLIC cable and I will be testing it out over my alloted 30 day trial and making my OWN mind up about it and it matters zero to me what anyone else thinks about the cable or my expenditure ;)
Shame you feel that way as you're one of the few who actually own the cable but I understand.
I'd be interested in your thoughts. Especially as I also have Mark Grant's with WBTs. Would like to hear your take on how they compare.
PM me if you don't want to share your opinions on the thread.
Cheers
I have read a lot of this thread and looked at MCRU site, but I have not seen what this cable is made of, or have I missed the point that this is a secret?
Is it copper, silver plated copper, silver, screened, un-screened, double screened? What is it's capacitance, inductance?
I have read a lot of this thread and looked at MCRU site, but I have not seen what this cable is made of, or have I missed the point that this is a secret?
Is it copper, silver plated copper, silver, screened, un-screened, double screened? What is it's capacitance, inductance?
I have no idea at all what it's construction and materials area.
There are patents filed for both the cable itself and the formers/dies that are required to make the cable and this patent refers only to the cable itself.
https://data.epo.org/publication-server/rest/v1.0/publication-dates/20090107/patents/EP1509932NWB1/document.html
If you can make head or tail of that lot then you are ahead of me and a good few others too.
istari_knight
19-04-2014, 18:24
Whats complex about this ?
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/istari_knight9/766b66e5-3271-4e5f-999e-926ead49a82d_zpsb2cb4802.png
That pretty clearly shows its construction, no idea on materials but the cynic in me suspects the current one is copper with a "much improved" silver version around the corner...
Whats complex about this ?
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/istari_knight9/766b66e5-3271-4e5f-999e-926ead49a82d_zpsb2cb4802.png
That pretty clearly shows its construction, no idea on materials but the cynic in me suspects the current one is copper with a "much improved" silver version around the corner...
It's more complex than you might think James if I read the blurb correctly, because my understanding of reading the patent is that it wasn't designed that way by any accident. What's missing from the diagrams of course is the metallurgy and gauge of wire, the dielectric used, the twists per inch/centimetre, is there any infill material, the relationship between the various wires and why they are there in the configuration they are set in. I cannot answer those questions I'm afraid :scratch: What we see there is a sample a mere few inches long and I would like to see anyone mimic that exactly to make up a 100 metre reel of it, if it's that easy judging by your comment about it's complexity :eyebrows:
It has a great sound but how it derives that is still an unknown to me.
Ninanina
19-04-2014, 19:27
Shame you feel that way as you're one of the few who actually own the cable but I understand.
I'd be interested in your thoughts. Especially as I also have Mark Grant's with WBTs. Would like to hear your take on how they compare.
PM me if you don't want to share your opinions on the thread.
Cheers
Hi Michael
Other people have contacted me by PM about the SLIC cable and thats fine by me, no problem at all. I have reported back, via PM, to those people about my current views on the SLIC cable.. If you want Michael I can send you the exact PM that I sent to someone else on the subject.... let me know if you'd like me to do that ;)
What I will do is report back once I have decided about the SLIC cable and whether it will be a keeper or not and I will, at that point, do a comparison against my current cable ;)
I trust that will be helpful to everyone :thumbsup:
Bev
What's wrong with reporting your findings here, Bev? After all, this is a forum.
brian2957
19-04-2014, 19:36
+1 :)
Ninanina
19-04-2014, 19:50
+1 :)
If I report now on the SLIC cable, good or bad, on this thread then I am sure people will attack me and I don't want that.... life is too short.... ;)
I have no problem normally reporting on my thoughts but this thread seems to have got the worst out in people... :(
istari_knight
19-04-2014, 19:54
If it does such amazing things for the signal why aren't the military interested ? Surely they would want to rewire their jet fighters & choppers comm systems with it ? :lol:
Ninanina
19-04-2014, 19:55
If it does such amazing things for the signal why aren't the military interested ? Surely they would want to rewire their jet fighters & choppers comm systems with it ? :lol:
Like it..... :D:D
If it does such amazing things for the signal why aren't the military interested ? Surely they would want to rewire their jet fighters & choppers comm systems with it ? :lol:
The military are not interested because it has not been shown to them. You go to them, they don't come to you James. I am surprised at that kind of remark coming from you
brian2957
19-04-2014, 20:11
Yup cable threads seem to do that . It's your choice Bev however I'm sure that there are many on here who are genuinely curious as to where this cable stands in the big ( cable ) scheme of things . Me included , while keeping in mind it's only hifi , and a hobby at the end of the day .
I've never seen such a stretched out no-show fest as this. Can no-one report in simple English what they hear with this cable? I've reported on several cables in the past and I'm not a walking voodoo doll. We're now 268 posts in and I've still no clue how it sounds or compares with a well-known baseline reference. Just tell it like you hear it and we can each decide on whether it's worth pursuing.
The Black Adder
19-04-2014, 20:19
Spot on... Let's hear some listening experiences.
:)
If I report now on the SLIC cable, good or bad, on this thread then I am sure people will attack me and I don't want that.... life is too short.... ;)
I have no problem normally reporting on my thoughts but this thread seems to have got the worst out in people... :(
That's not your fault Bev, it's just a game to most of them on forums and a lack of respect for you too sadly.
But it is a forum nonetheless and it's not much use to anybody bottling up your thoughts.
cyclopse
19-04-2014, 20:22
I've never seen such a stretched out no-show fest as this. Can no-one report in simple English what they hear with this cable? I've reported on several cables in the past and I'm not a walking voodoo doll. We're now 268 posts in and I've still no clue how it sounds or compares with a well-known baseline reference. Just tell it like you hear it and we can each decide on whether it's worth pursuing.
Hasn't Frank already done this in quite some detail?
It's one way of passing a Bank holiday weekend and beats watching paint drying.
istari_knight
19-04-2014, 20:29
The military are not interested because it has not been shown to them. You go to them, they don't come to you James. I am surprised at that kind of remark coming from you
Just a bit of fun Frank, this is all deadly serious to you isn't it ? To my knowledge its all corrupt... I know a lot of dudes from Culdrose, some of the things they reveal are quite enlightening !
Ninanina
19-04-2014, 20:30
I 'could' report my findings so far on this new SLIC cable.... maybe against my better judgement!!.... however if I get attacked then I won't say anything else and I will just revert to reporting my FINAL views on the cable in a couple of weeks or so... Please bare in mind I have shelled out nearly £500 for this cable and I for one want to make sure it is better than my current cable.... ;)
With that in mind do you all want me to give you my 'initial' thoughts about the SLIC cable? This report will be EXACTLY the same as I have written to those that have contacted me via PM...
Also bare in mind that any reporting I do will bare no comparison whatsoever to my current cable, or any other cable I have tried, it will be just what I think about the SLIC cable as a cable in it's own right... I hope that makes sense
I 'could' report my findings so far on this new SLIC cable.... maybe against my better judgement!!.... however if I get attacked then I won't say anything else and I will just revert to reporting my FINAL views on the cable in a couple of weeks or so... Please bare in mind I have shelled out nearly £500 for this cable and I for one want to make sure it is better than my current cable.... ;)
With that in mind do you all want me to give you my 'initial' thoughts about the SLIC cable? This report will be EXACTLY the same as I have written to those that have contacted me via PM...
Also bare in mind that any reporting I do will bare no comparison whatsoever to my current cable, or any other cable I have tried, it will be just what I think about the SLIC cable as a cable in it's own right... I hope that makes sense
Yes please!
Just a bit of fun Frank, this is all deadly serious to you isn't it ?
Sorry if I came across a tad brusque James but in my shoes I am sure you would be equally as frazzled as I am right now.
No it isn't deadly serious to me James, at least it wasn't to begin with but after a mountain of negative remarks being posted on the thread my humour pot is getting a bit empty now to be honest, especially so at the moment when I crave a sensible post from someone who actually has dabbled with the cable and can report their findings. If the people that can say they hear what i can hear from this cable then I can sign out completely from this thread and can then tolerate having a leg pull with grace once more.
Hasn't Frank already done this in quite some detail?
Frank opened this thread but I'd like to hear from someone else who has independently bought it and listened to it.
istari_knight
19-04-2014, 20:47
Sorry if I came across a tad brusque James but in my shoes I am sure you would be equally as frazzled as I am right now.
No it isn't deadly serious to me James, at least it wasn't to begin with but after a mountain of negative remarks being posted on the thread my humour pot is getting a bit empty now to be honest, especially so at the moment when I crave a sensible post from someone who actually has dabbled with the cable and can report their findings. If the people that can say they hear what i can hear from this cable then I can sign out completely from this thread and can then tolerate having a leg pull with grace once more.
S'ok dude :thumbsup: Grab yourself a nice cold beer and have a chill... This is after all, a thread about a cable on the internet NOT real life :cool:
Beverley...
http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2009/11/go-on.jpg
The Black Adder
19-04-2014, 21:00
Please do, Bev... :) - Be good to get another view, first thoughts are always good.
Ninanina
19-04-2014, 21:14
Ok now this is EXACTLY the report I gave those that contacted me via PM, nothing added and nothing taken away:
"The SLIC cable arrived a couple of days ago and they are the thickest pair of interconnects I have ever seen, they really are little snakes...
I am still getting used to their presentation as it is definitely different than my Oyaide's, now that doesn't mean better or worse just different at the moment
I will keep the new SLIC cable in for a while, and only swap back to the Oyaide cable once I am sure I have a handle on the SLIC sound
The following are my initial thoughts on the new SLIC cable...this bares no comparison to my current cable just simply what I think of the SLIC as a cable in it's own right:
It is silky, what I mean by that is that it seems to have no rough edges
It is a very musical cable... it draws you into the music very easily, and it's very easy to follow a thread in the music
It's got some of the best voicing i've heard... now by that I mean that certain words, for instance the word 'heart' has a very definite ending to it... i mean the 't' is easily heard in 'hearT' when I know some cables seem to leave the 't' off and don't finish it off perfectly... god I hope that makes sense.... it's tricky to explain
There seems nothing to dislike about the cable; it does nothing offensive
It has quite an addictive sound, you can listen for hours and hours
Now do I think it is worth the asking price? at the moment I have absolutely no idea. I need to put the Oyaide cable back into the system in a while to see how it compares. I think you very quickly forget how your own cable sounds
You have nothing to loose in trying it as it's on a 30 day trial so no risk"
That is EXACTLY as I reported my thoughts to those that contacted me by PM, and I hope it helps some to get a handle on this SLIC cable
I've had a look at the patent and it isn't that difficult to interpret - I'm surprised some feel it is. Essentially it boils down to spacing the conductors or spacing twisted pairs of conductors. Not uncommonly it appears confusing because it attempts to cover a wide range of spacing options under the same umbrella. To be honest, I would be extremely surprised if prior art could not be shown for this and many 'hi-fi' cables claim unique geometries.
istari_knight
19-04-2014, 21:28
Thanks Bev.
"It is silky, what I mean by that is that it seems to have no rough edges" - Thats why its called SLIC innit ?
Ninanina
19-04-2014, 21:31
Thanks Bev.
"It is silky, what I mean by that is that it seems to have no rough edges" - Thats why its called SLIC innit ?
Good point James..... :thumbsup:
The SLIC title stands for Super Low Interference Cable
Describes it well I think :)
brian2957
19-04-2014, 21:46
Thanks Bev , a nice write up .
istari_knight
19-04-2014, 21:46
I've had a look at the patent and it isn't that difficult to interpret - I'm surprised some feel it is. Essentially it boils down to spacing the conductors or spacing twisted pairs of conductors. Not uncommonly it appears confusing because it attempts to cover a wide range of spacing options under the same umbrella. To be honest, I would be extremely surprised if prior art could not be shown for this and many 'hi-fi' cables claim unique geometries.
This was my feeling when i posted my "whats complex about it ?" remark earlier.
The pictures shown in the patent application rang a bell in my memory but I've only just been able to pin point what is was... Google: "XLO UltraPLUS" I may have misunderstood & perhaps they are completely different but they look remarkably similar in design.
http://www.kosmasaudiovideo.gr/uplds/2283_XLO_ULTRA_PLUS_RCA_XLR_2.jpg
http://www.audio-activity.com/uploads/1/3/0/9/13098779/2329140.jpg
Ninanina
19-04-2014, 21:51
Thanks Bev , a nice write up .
Thanks Brian ;)
I hope it is of some use to others too :)
This was my feeling when i posted my "whats complex about it ?" remark earlier.
The pictures shown in the patent application rang a bell in my memory but I've only just been able to pin point what is was... Google: "XLO UltraPLUS" I may have misunderstood & perhaps they are completely different but they look remarkably similar in design.
http://www.kosmasaudiovideo.gr/uplds/2283_XLO_ULTRA_PLUS_RCA_XLR_2.jpg
http://www.audio-activity.com/uploads/1/3/0/9/13098779/2329140.jpg
Actually I already referenced the similarity to XLO some posts back but people were too wrapped up in the 'it's a mystery wrapped in a conundrum' fun.
Similar? I suppose it has a twisted pair inside the tube but there the similarity ends.
Mind you, I did think the same when I first clapped eyes on the patent document
Ninanina
19-04-2014, 23:18
That's so much better......
This thread has now calmed down a bit.... and it's the better for it don't you think...??
There is nothing to be gained by attacking each other.... be nice to each other..... :D
istari_knight
20-04-2014, 00:00
I don't know the conductor material, the conductor spacing or even the insulation material but the principal is the same... That much even Stevie Wonder could see.
3 pages ago it was:
I have no idea at all what it's construction and materials area.
If you can make head or tail of that lot then you are ahead of me and a good few others too.
And yet now when shown a design I believe to be similar you're saying:
Similar? I suppose it has a twisted pair inside the tube but there the similarity ends.
So you do know what its construction and materials are then ? If not how can you be certain there is such little similarity ?
Ninanina
20-04-2014, 00:08
I am afraid it means nothing to me
I consider myself as fairly intelligent but as far as cable design goes I have no idea at all... :doh:
Whats complex about this ?
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/istari_knight9/766b66e5-3271-4e5f-999e-926ead49a82d_zpsb2cb4802.png
That pretty clearly shows its construction, no idea on materials but the cynic in me suspects the current one is copper with a "much improved" silver version around the corner...
Some years ago I had an Audioquest prototype that used a similar approach, save that the outer conductor instead of being wound was a lattice effect. Sounded alright as I remember.
I don't know the conductor material, the conductor spacing or even the insulation material but the principal is the same... That much even Stevie Wonder could see.
3 pages ago it was:
And yet now when shown a design I believe to be similar you're saying:
So you do know what its construction and materials are then ? If not how can you be certain there is such little similarity ?
I have read the patent document and seen the diagrams the same as anyone else here has, beyond that I know nothing further. I don't know what the wires are made from, I don't know what the dialectric is either, but I do know from looking at the patent wording that the twist and conductor lay is no accident, it is very precise.
jandl100
20-04-2014, 07:57
Yep, looks very similar indeed to the XLO type design.
I like XLO - see my siggie below. :)
I prefer the XLO speaker cables to the i/c cables, though - I found the XLO i/c cables a bit too smooth. Whoops! - there's that word again!
cyclopse
20-04-2014, 09:17
Chris VenHaus has been designing cables on this theme for some years. Does this look familiar;-
http://www.venhaus1.com/diycvhic.gif
Thanks
Stephen
Chris VenHaus has been designing cables on this theme for some years. Does this look familiar;-
http://www.venhaus1.com/diycvhic.gif
Thanks
Stephen
Good research.
It's no more a mystery. Boo, hiss
Trouble with mysteries when they get solved.........
Wakefield Turntables
20-04-2014, 09:23
I've had a look at the patent and it isn't that difficult to interpret - I'm surprised some feel it is. Essentially it boils down to spacing the conductors or spacing twisted pairs of conductors. Not uncommonly it appears confusing because it attempts to cover a wide range of spacing options under the same umbrella. To be honest, I would be extremely surprised if prior art could not be shown for this and many 'hi-fi' cables claim unique geometries.
Some of the Nordost geometry and I would even say some of the Yannis Tome stuff looks familar.
walpurgis
20-04-2014, 09:45
Yawn!
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choirboy
20-04-2014, 10:10
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Bev.
Chris VenHaus has been designing cables on this theme for some years. Does this look familiar;-
http://www.venhaus1.com/diycvhic.gif
Thanks
Stephen
Yep, we where DIYing these and many variations of them years ago on the old WAD forum, no mystery involved here. ;)
Mr Kipling
20-04-2014, 10:19
Well, I was going to give you all my review (2 actually). Something with a bit of body and substance to them. Something you could really get your teeth in to. No nebulous airy-fairness leaving you in doubt. No. SOLID, DETAILED, FACTUAL IMPARTIAL INFORMATION was going to be the name of the game with my Ovaltine reviews - you deserve nothing less. I even - I even stayed up till 4 AM this morning hoping to get the drop on everyone when you were all safely tucked up in your beds. Sadly, when I came type the links and using the underline character on my mobile, all following lettering also had it. So, I was thwarted. Thwarted! So I'll have to make do with this.
Frank, looks like you're the new Number 6 and James is Number 2. He wants INFORMATION. INFORMATION. BY HOOK OR BY CROOK. And he'll get it Frank. He'll get it. Iv'e seen him operate Frank and it's not a pretty sight Frank. It's not a pretty sight. You'll crack. You'll crack in the end. So you might as well just tell him what he wants to know now. You'll save youself a whole lot of bother in the end.
Be seeing you.
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It's not me you lot should all be badgering for information, I was just sent the cables to evaluate and hear what they did, not to get the Stanley knife out and do an autopsy or relay what the designers intentions are, nor to justify in any shape or form how they should be priced for the marketplace.
I have written up all my blurb about what they sound like, so in reality that is my small task over and done with and if you need any more information you should contact the chap who is selling them because I can help you no more I'm afraid.
realysm42
20-04-2014, 10:48
I've never seen such a stretched out no-show fest as this. Can no-one report in simple English what they hear with this cable? I've reported on several cables in the past and I'm not a walking voodoo doll. We're now 268 posts in and I've still no clue how it sounds or compares with a well-known baseline reference. Just tell it like you hear it and we can each decide on whether it's worth pursuing.
I will when I've got the second one in the system, I got the red card of death from the post office and went there but the guy hadn't returned yet, so I'll have to wait until Tuesday now :steam:
Mr Kipling
20-04-2014, 11:08
Sorry for the levity Frank. It was Bev's initial comments that got me a tad aggitated.
Time for some music
R1c1ed72arI
Mr Kipling
20-04-2014, 12:06
Tried to add to the last posting but it would't load.
What I wanted to know was if it had any effect on the likes of soundstaging and imagery. Were instruments more grounded, focused and palpable now? And if so, was there now a greater sense of architecture to the sound? Did it do anything with timing? Was there a greater sense of interplay between players? For £500 that's the sort of thing I'd be looking for.
choirboy
20-04-2014, 14:01
Bev, you say the cables are thick. Are they flexible though or quite stiff?
realysm42
20-04-2014, 19:33
Flexible.
Ninanina
20-04-2014, 20:19
Bev, you say the cables are thick. Are they flexible though or quite stiff?
Yes Michael they are pretty flexible even though they are little snakes... :)
, but of course it's impossible to tell anyway without blind testing, and who can be arsed with that?
Amen to that! Life's too short and Id rather spend the time listening to the music than working out whether I can really hear a difference. Got to be fairly obvious else it doesnt hold my interest.
Then that tiny difference might not actually be an improvement but simply a refreshing difference as the brain naturally pays more attention to something new - the new sound could be important to our survival, whilst familiar ones need to take up less processing else we'll be overwhelmed. Some with very unusual brain conditions or injuries have helped confirm this to neurologists.
Amen to that! Life's too short and Id rather spend the time listening to the music than working out whether I can really hear a difference. Got to be fairly obvious else it doesnt hold my interest.
Then that tiny difference might not actually be an improvement but simply a refreshing difference as the brain naturally pays more attention to something new - the new sound could be important to our survival, whilst familiar ones need to take up less processing else we'll be overwhelmed. Some with very unusual brain conditions or injuries have helped confirm this to neurologists.
Amen
Thanks for that good insight into human perception.
Hmmm, £500.00 for a cable that takes sometime to consider and evaluate as to whether its any better than the 20-30 quid cable you already have - lets have a think :scratch:
That's 8 years worth of Spotify Unlimited to discover new music, nearly 400 CDs if you went looking for the £1.27 Amazon bargains, around 20 live shows at the prices I pay, maybe 40~50 LP records, around 5 years of record store day purchasing if you don't go mad like I did, a pair of vintage Spendor or Harbeth speakers on eBay (now they will sound 'smooth' and 'silky' - whatever that is and you won't have to wait to hear the difference), some room treatment that again you will be able to hear and even measure if that's your thing, a Brio-R amplifier, two mono Bantam Golds with a Tisbury passive pre and a SLA battery, a second-hand valve amp, a Garrard 401 turntable in good nick, a trip to Paris, a long weekend flight to New York with change for a hotel and beers at O'Lunney's in Times Square (highly recommended), a new mid-priced fender guitar amp or a 1997 Fender USA California Stratocaster with case (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1997-Fender-USA-California-Stratocaster-with-Case-/291127886148?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item43c8930144) and change for a few beers and a meal . . .
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w63/greatgig/_12_zpsb1b4c879.jpg (http://s173.photobucket.com/user/greatgig/media/_12_zpsb1b4c879.jpg.html)
Now then, where do I get one of these "Mystery Cables" from, ah I think I see one over there at the end of that rainbow . . .
Stratmangler
21-04-2014, 12:39
Hmmm, £500.00 for a cable that takes sometime to consider and evaluate as to whether its any better than the 20-30 quid cable you already have - lets have a think :scratch:
That's 8 years worth of Spotify Unlimited to discover new music, nearly 400 CDs if you went looking for the £1.27 Amazon bargains, around 20 live shows at the prices I pay, maybe 40~50 LP records, around 5 years of record store day purchasing if you don't go mad like I did, a pair of vintage Spendor or Harbeth speakers on eBay (now they will sound 'smooth' and 'silky' - whatever that is and you won't have to wait to hear the difference), some room treatment that again you will be able to hear and even measure if that's your thing, a Brio-R amplifier, two mono Bantam Golds with a Tisbury passive pre and a SLA battery, a second-hand valve amp, a Garrard 401 turntable in good nick, a trip to Paris, a long weekend flight to New York with change for a hotel and beers at O'Lunney's in Times Square (highly recommended), a new mid-priced fender guitar amp or a 1997 Fender USA California Stratocaster with case (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1997-Fender-USA-California-Stratocaster-with-Case-/291127886148?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item43c8930144) and change for a few beers and a meal . . .
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w63/greatgig/_12_zpsb1b4c879.jpg (http://s173.photobucket.com/user/greatgig/media/_12_zpsb1b4c879.jpg.html)
Now then, where do I get one of these "Mystery Cables" from, ah I think I see one over there at the end of that rainbow . . .
Looks like you and I have a similar viewpoint :eyebrows:
The Stratocaster wins hands down for me ...
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w63/greatgig/_12_zpsb1b4c879.jpg (http://s173.photobucket.com/user/greatgig/media/_12_zpsb1b4c879.jpg.html)
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Still got the tagger on it. Never been played. Don't touch it! Don't even look at it!
Good points there Tim. For £500 it should be obvious from the off that it is 'better'. My golden rule - If you find yourself pondering 'is it better?' then it isn't. Incidentally for £500 you can get a week all inclusive in Tobago, with the flights thrown in. Got to go in hurricane season though...
Hmmm, £500.00 for a cable that takes sometime to consider and evaluate as to whether its any better than the 20-30 quid cable you already have - lets have a think :scratch:
That's 8 years worth of Spotify Unlimited to discover new music, nearly 400 CDs if you went looking for the £1.27 Amazon bargains, around 20 live shows at the prices I pay, maybe 40~50 LP records, around 5 years of record store day purchasing if you don't go mad like I did, a pair of vintage Spendor or Harbeth speakers on eBay (now they will sound 'smooth' and 'silky' - whatever that is and you won't have to wait to hear the difference), some room treatment that again you will be able to hear and even measure if that's your thing, a Brio-R amplifier, two mono Bantam Golds with a Tisbury passive pre and a SLA battery, a second-hand valve amp, a Garrard 401 turntable in good nick, a trip to Paris, a long weekend flight to New York with change for a hotel and beers at O'Lunney's in Times Square (highly recommended), a new mid-priced fender guitar amp or a 1997 Fender USA California Stratocaster with case (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1997-Fender-USA-California-Stratocaster-with-Case-/291127886148?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item43c8930144) and change for a few beers and a meal . . .
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w63/greatgig/_12_zpsb1b4c879.jpg (http://s173.photobucket.com/user/greatgig/media/_12_zpsb1b4c879.jpg.html)
Now then, where do I get one of these "Mystery Cables" from, ah I think I see one over there at the end of that rainbow . . .
Which reminds me ...
FOt3r_aNNxE
Richard Kimber
21-04-2014, 15:55
I have a question - how does passing a low voltage signal down a cable "run it in?"
Is this not a HiFi myth?
I'm intrigued by the notion of "running a cable in", and would like to hear peoples opinion.
I'm pretty sure that it is my ear that "runs in" as I get accustomed to the new things I am hearing.
From my experience a new pure silver interconnect can sound really awful when you first plug it in. After a few hours of use it settles down. I'm not talking here of subtle differences.
- Richard.
In my experience it sounds the same when you plug it in as when you take it out - as with any other interconnect.
choirboy
21-04-2014, 21:56
From my experience a new pure silver interconnect can sound really awful when you first plug it in. After a few hours of use it settles down. I'm not talking here of subtle differences.
- Richard.
From my experience every cable I've had seems to sound better after a week or so of use. However I'm willing to entertain the idea that nat8808 proposed that it's actually our brain that gets used to the new sound. However I've never found the difference 'tiny' with break in but quite an improvement overall. Regardless of the reason be it neurological or not I never make a decision about a cable until I've clocked up some hours on it. Just my two pence worth anyway. :)
Ninanina
21-04-2014, 22:06
From my experience every cable I've had seems to sound better after a week or so of use. However I'm willing to entertain the idea that nat8808 proposed that it's actually our brain that gets used to the new sound. However I've never found the difference 'tiny' with break in but quite an improvement overall. Regardless of the reason be it neurological or not I never make a decision about a cable until I've clocked up some hours on it. Just my two pence worth anyway. :)
I agree, but I also think that it maybe my brain getting used to the new sound... that does make sense to me also ... :)
With me, it's either a big difference (for better or worse) that I notice immediately, or no discernable difference. Which is convenient, as it enables me to return any cables that don't 'work' for me well within the trial period!
Ninanina
21-04-2014, 22:18
a new mid-priced fender guitar amp or a 1997 Fender USA California Stratocaster with case and change for a few beers and a meal . . .
Tim I do believe that is a Mexican Fender.... American parts but assembled in Mexico
You can buy a brand new Mex for that sort of money....
Just check out the seriel number.... ;)
Stratmangler
21-04-2014, 22:51
Check out the serial number in the appropriate place ;)
Post 6 in this thread tells it the way it is http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=86777&hilit=amxn+serial
The guitar is a collaborative effort between the Corona (USA) and Ensenada (Mexico) factories, necks and bodies being made in the USA, shipped to Mexico for finishing, then parts shipped back to the USA for final assembly.
All AMXN serial guitars carry the "Made In USA" legend.
Ninanina
21-04-2014, 23:19
The guitar is a collaborative effort between the Corona (USA) and Ensenada (Mexico) factories, necks and bodies being made in the USA, shipped to Mexico for finishing, then parts shipped back to the USA for final assembly
Yeah I realise that but for just a little bit extra you could purchase a good used 'full' USA Strat and be done with it...
brian2957
22-04-2014, 09:56
I have a confession to make . I trust other human beings . Yes I know it's a character defect , but I made a decision years ago that I lived in a friendly universe and all human beings are inherently good . Yes I can do cynical and I'm very good at it when I want to be . I've lived long enough on this earth to see some rather nasty things , so I CAN do cynical . Just ask the wife :lol: So we have established that I choose to see the better side of people whenever I can :) I also believe that everyones opinion is valid , even when I don't agree with them. Don't get me wrong there are times when peoples outlook is so obviously askew that I have to just walk away and let them get on with it.
I've been into hifi for over 30 years and for the most part been running round in circles , at huge expense may I add. A couple of years ago I joined this forum and learned more in that time than I had in the previous 25 years or so. My system has totally changed and I really enjoy my music . Mostly due to the advice I've received on here and other forums.
Now to this new cable we're ' not ' discussing any more . Frank tells us that this new cable is fantastic. That's Franks opinion and I believe him , until I buy one and prove this to be the case ( or not ) You see I trust Frank and value his opinion as expressed on this forum . I've benefited from Franks opinion ( forum posts ) before , so why wouldn't I believe him now. Let's get something straight here . I don't think Frank , or anyone else here for that matter , are shilling anything . I believe that they are fulfilling their obligations to the members of this forum by letting the members know about a new product . As far as that new product is concerned , I can make up my own mind about it . I've bought houses , cars and other expensive items over the years and haven't made too many mistakes :) I don't need someone here , on any other forums , or anywhere else to make up my mind for me . Anyway most things hifi have a ' money back if not happy ' guarantee so very little chance of making a mistake . Unfortunately our most expensive purchase ( buying a house ) doesn't work that way. :rolleyes:
So back to the ' mystery cable ' we're not discussing on the ' mystery cable ' thread . I trust and value the opinion of the people who post here ( my decision remember :) ) and would appreciate it if those who have been lucky enough to be able to purchase and demo one of these cables could find the time to post their thoughts on this cable , as I would like to know more .
If SWMBO wasn't dragging me to Majorca next week ( I only go for her . Honest :eyebrows: ) I may have purchased one myself to find out if the claims are true . I can't afford it just now , so I take the second best option and log on here to see what others ( I trust ) think about this cable . Not what others , people who haven't actually heard the cable , think it might do ( or not do ) , but the opinion of actual owners of this new cable.
I look forward to ( and value ) your opinions. This is , after all , a hifi discussion forum :)
Kind thoughts Brian, thank you for that.
I have had a couple of PMs from Bev to say that she is on the whole pleased with the results thus far from the SLIC, without being definitive and conclusive about it, because she still wants to swap back and forth from her other resident cable to compare. Doing my level best not to prompt her, I have asked her to give the volume pot a good fistful to the right beyond her normal listening level and to report what she hears by doing that and also to listen to how a live audience sounds, both of these in comparison to her other cable of course. Before anyone gets all uppity about that, I have done the same on this thread openly and noted my thoughts about these same actions in my reviews, so all I am looking for is to see if others agree, fine by me if not. She has noted just like me that it's a real job switching the system off after a listening sesh :eyebrows: From what i gather, Bev isn't all that comfortable expressing herself in "audiophile" terminology, but she knows very well what she likes and doesn't like. This is coupled with a sense of fear being "attacked" on her views positive or negative on the open forum, hence why it appears she is prevaricating or not very forthcoming.
The last I heard from Martin (Realysm42) was that he only had one of the SLICs in his system and the second one is still in the postal system after receiving the "red card of death" through his letter box on Saturday. Hopefully he will get hold of it today and make some progress with his listening. Martin has said that he has cranked the volume round beyond what he would normally have and if I am correct he mirrors my findings.
Stephen (cyclopse) is still waiting for his to arrive. The easter break hasn't helped there either.
So you lot, just hold yer cactus and with a bit of luck the opinions of other folks who have a SLIC will be revealed soon.
cyclopse
22-04-2014, 11:09
Kind thoughts Brian, thank you for that.
I have had a couple of PMs from Bev to say that she is on the whole pleased with the results thus far from the SLIC, without being definitive and conclusive about it, because she still wants to swap back and forth from her other resident cable to compare. Doing my level best not to prompt her, I have asked her to give the volume pot a good fistful to the right beyond her normal listening level and to report what she hears by doing that and also to listen to how a live audience sounds, both of these in comparison to her other cable of course. Before anyone gets all uppity about that, I have done the same on this thread openly and noted my thoughts about these same actions in my reviews, so all I am looking for is to see if others agree, fine by me if not. She has noted just like me that it's a real job switching the system off after a listening sesh :eyebrows: From what i gather, Bev isn't all that comfortable expressing herself in "audiophile" terminology, but she knows very well what she likes and doesn't like. This is coupled with a sense of fear being "attacked" on her views positive or negative on the open forum, hence why it appears she is prevaricating or not very forthcoming.
The last I heard from Martin (Realysm42) was that he only had one of the SLICs in his system and the second one is still in the postal system after receiving the "red card of death" through his letter box on Saturday. Hopefully he will get hold of it today and make some progress with his listening. Martin has said that he has cranked the volume round beyond what he would normally have and if I am correct he mirrors my findings.
Stephen (cyclopse) is still waiting for his to arrive. The easter break hasn't helped there either.
So you lot, just hold yer cactus and with a bit of luck the opinions of other folks who have a SLIC will be revealed soon.
Yes heard yesterday mine is finished and I assume will be dispatched today.
Mine will be a little different though because its going to be balanced XLR configuration. Will be sure to post a picture for you all to see.
Crazy idea
A new thread is started instead of continuing this one (which has generated polarised views of AoS members I believe).
Named SLIC opinions/findings? A new week, a new thread, a new cable.
Daft eh <no smilie>
Crazy idea
A new thread is started instead of continuing this one (which has generated polarised views of AoS members I believe).
Named SLIC opinions/findings? A new week, a new thread, a new cable.
Where?
Where?
If by where you mean where create it what is inappropriate about The Artist's Palette?
It could be a nice neat summary of findings rather than the huge output this thread has created.
Silly me
If by where you mean where create it what is inappropriate about The Artist's Palette?
It could be a nice neat summary of findings rather than the huge output this thread has created.
Silly me
Silly you and plenty of silly others too who have made this thread the size that it is by A) Posting irrelevant remarks to begin with and B) People asking me questions that I am unable to answer and C) Butting into the thread just to take the piss and D) Repeating A and B endlessly.
There was a couple of other goodies I have been evaluating recently and been rather impressed with too, but judging by the reception given to this thread I will keep them to myself.
"The Artist' Palette" has a sub-heading you would be wise to read before posting your pointless remark Alan
If by where you mean where create it what is inappropriate about The Artist's Palette?
It could be a nice neat summary of findings rather than the huge output this thread has created.
Silly me
'Strokes of Genius', surely?
'Tell us of any fantastic tweaks, free or otherwise, which have transformed your system. Also post reviews of equipment and ancillaries.'
'Strokes of Genius', surely?
'Tell us of any fantastic tweaks, free or otherwise, which have transformed your system. Also post reviews of equipment and ancillaries.'
The sub-heading for The Artist's Palette" says thus:
"All cable/equipment support discussion."
So either forum is appropriate?
The sub-heading for The Artist's Palette" says thus:
"All cable/equipment support discussion."
So either forum is appropriate?
I've always struggled with the distinction, but my understanding is that reviews go on SoG whereas discussion goes in Artists Pallete. So, suppose I'd ordered one of these mystery cables, I might announce the fact on Artists Palette, and maybe put up some brief initial thoughts ('it sounds smooth', 'I'm liking it so far'), then when the cable had bedded in, and/or I'd got the second set in place, or whatever, I'd post a full report on my findings in SoG. At that point, I'd expect not to be challenged on my opinions/findings, whether favourable or unfavourable, given the AoS Ethos, whereas my initial thoughts might provoke discussion ('what do you mean by smooth?' 'How does the cable compare to what you were previously using'? etc.
The sub-heading for The Artist's Palette" says thus:
"All cable/equipment support discussion."
So either forum is appropriate?
Either/or... ;)
Silly you and plenty of silly others too who have made this thread the size that it is by A) Posting irrelevant remarks to begin with and B) People asking me questions that I am unable to answer and C) Butting into the thread just to take the piss and D) Repeating A and B endlessly.
There was a couple of other goodies I have been evaluating recently and been rather impressed with too, but judging by the reception given to this thread I will keep them to myself.
"The Artist' Palette" has a sub-heading you would be wise to read before posting your pointless remark Alan
Sorry to hear you in lower spirits than when you last posted saying how much you liked my post (#36 earlier in this thread). Still time changes things. Is this the subheading you referred to?
Forum: The Artist's Palette
All cable/equipment support discussion. Also mains accessories or anything which relates to the 'infrastructure' of your audio system. Info on tubes and headphones (inc. headphone amps and systems) should also be discussed here.
Sorry to hear you in lower spirits than when you last posted saying how much you liked my post (#36 earlier in this thread). Still time changes things. Is this the subheading you referred to?
Forum: The Artist's Palette
All cable/equipment support discussion. Also mains accessories or anything which relates to the 'infrastructure' of your audio system. Info on tubes and headphones (inc. headphone amps and systems) should also be discussed here.
Well, if this thread is in the "wrong" section of the forum I am sure we have a capable mod team who could accomplish that easily ;)
I am not at all in lower spirits and I did like your post #36, because to me it was a refreshing change for you to be realistic, buoyant and positive for once. Shame that Marco saw fit to write what he did afterwards, but that had nothing to do with me.
Now if you WANT to trade some decent words then just say so and I will happily oblige, but I would suggest you start a new thread for that in "Abstract Chat", rather than you crapping on this particular thread :steam:
Ninanina
22-04-2014, 18:05
I have a confession to make .............etc
Brian I think your last post was one of the best, and most sensible, on this thread. I hope some will take note of it too
The only reason both myself and others are reporting on this new SLIC cable is to let others know what we think of this brand new cable and I for one just cannot see the problem in that. We don't have to take our time to do so but we choose to so it may help others, just like any other piece of hifi
As far as reporting on my SLIC snakes.... I might swap back to my previous cable sometime tonight and then come back and report a bit more what I think of it in comparison... None of my previous reports have been in comparison to any other cable it's just been what I think about the SLIC in isolation
brian2957
22-04-2014, 18:07
Enjoy , and please let us know how you get on Bev .:)
choirboy
22-04-2014, 18:48
Brian I think your last post was one of the best, and most sensible, on this thread. I hope some will take note of it too
The only reason both myself and others are reporting on this new SLIC cable is to let others know what we think of this brand new cable and I for one just cannot see the problem in that. We don't have to take our time to do so but we choose to so it may help others, just like any other piece of hifi
As far as reporting on my SLIC snakes.... I might swap back to my previous cable sometime tonight and then come back and report a bit more what I think of it in comparison... None of my previous reports have been in comparison to any other cable it's just been what I think about the SLIC in isolation
Thank you Bev. Will look forward to your comparisons. Be great when others have had time with the cable also.
realysm42
22-04-2014, 20:00
Its interesting with these cables, they actually sound really good out of the box, normally I feel like they (or me) need some burn in time.
I collected my second pair today and couldn't resist having a quick go with them at lunch time. I'll get some thoughts written up later.
brian2957
22-04-2014, 20:07
:popcorn:
choirboy
22-04-2014, 22:04
Its interesting with these cables, they actually sound really good out of the box, normally I feel like they (or me) need some burn in time.
I collected my second pair today and couldn't resist having a quick go with them at lunch time. I'll get some thoughts written up later.
Excellent, be nice to have some more opinions about it.
icehockeyboy
23-04-2014, 07:00
Reading through this thread kind of reminds me of another Hifi related forum.
Let's hope it's not going that way. :(
Reading through this thread kind of reminds me of another Hifi related forum.
Let's hope it's not going that way. :(
You noticing it too Craig?
AoS was just about the only place you could discuss wanky wires intelligently in peace and harmony without a fuss, but this thread shows that there is an insidious creep away from that idyll.
Part of the problem is it appears to me that too many members here on AoS are also members of other forums and spend too much time hopping back and forth, changing like chameleons in their persona, saying one thing on here and another thing elsewhere, so the people I thought I could trust are rapidly being ticked off the list of people to converse with. I am also finding out other little undercurrents from people that I thought I had respected and trusted which now saddens me. Do I care? Nope, because I can easily sign out and not come back if that's the case and I can clearly see now why Andre gets into such a tizz over it all when people are not what they appear to be.
brian2957
23-04-2014, 13:18
Yup , I think I may be spending less time on here too Frank . I've made some good friends on here so I will keep in touch and meet up with them .
Let's be clear that most of this thread isn't even about the cable...
As for realysm42's comments that they were good "out of the box" this hints to me that it's a neutral cable, Tellurium Q stuff certainly isn't...!
In any case we need to come back down to earth as to what interconnects can and can't do to a system. They are like subtle filters or tone controls, might help with sibilants etc., but not "game changing", "wow my system was transformed" etc. I think if I reverted back to standard cables I might lose 5% of my overall system sound characteristics... of course that final 5% is important to me. ;)
I'm intrigued by the 'other forum' that AoS is allegedly in danger of turning into.
I'm intrigued by the 'other forum' that AoS is allegedly in danger of turning into.
I think it's inaccurate to talk about 'other forums' in this respect. Such forums have a habit of slamming any cable discussion as nonsense, whereas this thread hasn't sat well with people from a perceived marketing perspective with the most vocal people citing "shilling". I wouldn't go that far, I believe Frank genuinely liked the cable and doesn't have an agenda to promote David (MCRU) products, but given David's occasionally over-promotional methods (but excellent products & service might I add!) this has probably added some fuel to the fire...
Let's be clear that most of this thread isn't even about the cable...
As for realysm42's comments that they were good "out of the box" this hints to me that it's a neutral cable, Tellurium Q stuff certainly isn't...!
In any case we need to come back down to earth as to what interconnects can and can't do to a system. They are like subtle filters or tone controls, might help with sibilants etc., but not "game changing", "wow my system was transformed" etc. I think if I reverted back to standard cables I might lose 5% of my overall system sound characteristics... of course that final 5% is important to me. ;)
If I had posted that I had found a cable that had a different mix of "sonic flavours" then I would agree with you Neil, because the overwhelming majority of cables are little more than tone controls because of their inherent flaws and it is more a case of sheer pot luck that you can find a cable with the right mixture of flaws that "synergises" with your system. That's not the way it should be.
I really wouldn't bother going through page after page after page of grief that I have got over this particular cable unless it was outstanding. Note I don't now and never have done, used the words "game changing" in my reviews about this cable. I have though said that other manufacturers should begin perspiring now because this cable offers some serious competition to their products.
I think it's inaccurate to talk about 'other forums' in this respect. Such forums have a habit of slamming any cable discussion as nonsense, whereas this thread hasn't sat well with people from a perceived marketing perspective with the most vocal people citing "shilling". I wouldn't go that far, I believe Frank genuinely liked the cable and doesn't have an agenda to promote David (MCRU) products, but given David's occasionally over-promotional methods (but excellent products & service might I add!) this has probably added some fuel to the fire...
I agree Neil that it is more the man than the cable that folks have problems with. But be fair, neither I nor this cable had any choice over who should be the person behind it and neither of us should be pilloried over it :lol:
My understanding through contact with one of the mods by PM is that Mr MCRU has been told to rein his "enthusiasm" in and behave and I too have advised him likewise, because people are getting the mistaken perception that I am shilling for the man when I can assure you all that is not the case. Never met or spoken to him in fact, although people have said to me that his products and service are excellent.
Firebottle
23-04-2014, 15:42
An even keel seems to have been achieved, thank f for that.
Frank you're a star, as are the other aficionados who have actually requested a trial of the said interconnect.
As to the other peeps, it's optional you know, go enjoy your music :D
:cool: Alan
julesd68
23-04-2014, 17:14
If I had posted that I had found a cable that had a different mix of "sonic flavours" then I would agree with you Neil, because the overwhelming majority of cables are little more than tone controls because of their inherent flaws and it is more a case of sheer pot luck that you can find a cable with the right mixture of flaws that "synergises" with your system. That's not the way it should be.
I really wouldn't bother going through page after page after page of grief that I have got over this particular cable unless it was outstanding. Note I don't now and never have done, used the words "game changing" in my reviews about this cable. I have though said that other manufacturers should begin perspiring now because this cable offers some serious competition to their products.
Frank, why wouldn't you consider this cable 'game changing'? If it has transformed your 'humble' system in the way you have previously described, they are effectively acting more like components to have that kind of effect, rather than just doing the 'tone-control' thing you mention - it would be fair to call that game-changing wouldn't it?
Frank, why wouldn't you consider this cable 'game changing'? If it has transformed your 'humble' system in the way you have previously described, they are effectively acting more like components to have that kind of effect, rather than just doing the 'tone-control' thing you mention - it would be fair to call that game-changing wouldn't it?
No, because that is the very term that Mr MCRU used to describe the cable, so it would not be my words or wording, even though I did state that the cable has transformed my system's sound. I take that stance because firstly, someone recently used words that I have not said and used them out of context and secondly, if I repeated anything that Mr MCRU has said then the cynics form incorrect conclusions over my usage of the same words. What a tragic state of affairs are we coming to when people deliberately see fit to misinterpret things?
The real test is when others can say similar things that they are experiencing from first hand hearing of the cables and not just me.
julesd68
23-04-2014, 18:08
No, because that is the very term that Mr MCRU used to describe the cable, so it would not be my words or wording, even though I did state that the cable has transformed my system's sound.
Understood entirely - sorry I didn't realise it was from MCRU ...
The real test is when others can say similar things that they are experiencing from first hand hearing of the cables and not just me.
Indeed, that will be interesting to see.
No, because that is the very term that Mr MCRU used to describe the cable, so it would not be my words or wording, even though I did state that the cable has transformed my system's sound. I take that stance because firstly, someone recently used words that I have not said and used them out of context and secondly, if I repeated anything that Mr MCRU has said then the cynics form incorrect conclusions over my usage of the same words. What a tragic state of affairs are we coming to when people deliberately see fit to misinterpret things?
The real test is when others can say similar things that they are experiencing from first hand hearing of the cables and not just me.
Hi Frank am getting a bit confused now as in your post here: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?29207-Review-coming-soon-about-a-stunning-cable-I-am-playing-with&p=502551#post502551 you mentioned:
"Given how much I am impressed by what I am hearing I intend to be first in the queue when that has been decided. It really is a game-changing design for sure and to be 100% truthful and honest here, I cannot believe how much my old, obsolete and dare I say it "humble" system in the signature below has been improved by this bloomin cable and I realise just how much I am sticking my neck out in saying that"
If the cables good, it will sell itself.
Just need to let people try it for themselves.
Word will get out.
If the cables good, it will sell itself.
Just need to let people try it for themselves.
Word will get out.
Problem is the word turns into hype, which means nothing for real improvements in sound. We need to be able to cut through this and find stuff that's going to make a real difference. In any case not seen you in a while Gaz good to see you again!
Hi Frank am getting a bit confused now as in your post here: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?29207-Review-coming-soon-about-a-stunning-cable-I-am-playing-with&p=502551#post502551 you mentioned:
"Given how much I am impressed by what I am hearing I intend to be first in the queue when that has been decided. It really is a game-changing design for sure and to be 100% truthful and honest here, I cannot believe how much my old, obsolete and dare I say it "humble" system in the signature below has been improved by this bloomin cable and I realise just how much I am sticking my neck out in saying that"
I stand corrected and my apologies Neil.
I stand corrected and my apologies Neil.
Let's hope that Naim doesn't see this thread. :P http://www.naimaudio.com/hifi-products/slic
If the cables good, it will sell itself.
Just need to let people try it for themselves.
Word will get out.
Agreed Gaz, but how would they find it in the first place and KNOW that it's a good cable to buy it?
You and me have both read endless threads and threads with polls on forums that 1) The hi-fi magazine audience is shrinking fast and B) An awful lot of people take little credence from magazine reviews anyway nowadays.
This used to be THE source for people to read up about the latest wonder products and if it intrigued you enough you would scuttle along to the dealers for a demo. Dealers too are rapidly shrinking in numbers as well, so where the heck will you get the info from if NOBODY is brave enough to buy new components entirely blind? Are there a host of erstwhile excellent new products out there that are well below the radar of popularity from publicity?
So, to carry that argument through to it's logical conclusion, if it wasn't me (or anyone else) that was singing this cable's praises, how would anyone know it even existed?
Ninanina
23-04-2014, 20:28
Sorry to anyone that was waiting for my SLIC cable comparison thoughts.... I've been listening to too many toons to bother changing over to my present cable, I will do it real soon and I will report back
If I do discover the SLIC is better than my present cable that means I've definitely spent my £500 outlay...:doh: oh well if that is the case you can't take it with you can you? :eek:
cyclopse
23-04-2014, 20:38
Its interesting with these cables, they actually sound really good out of the box, normally I feel like they (or me) need some burn in time.
I collected my second pair today and couldn't resist having a quick go with them at lunch time. I'll get some thoughts written up later.
Very interested to hear your thoughts on your two Slics in combination.
Thanks
Stephen
Agreed Gaz, but how would they find it in the first place and KNOW that it's a good cable to buy it?
You and me have both read endless threads and threads with polls on forums that 1) The hi-fi magazine audience is shrinking fast and B) An awful lot of people take little credence from magazine reviews anyway nowadays.
This used to be THE source for people to read up about the latest wonder products and if it intrigued you enough you would scuttle along to the dealers for a demo. Dealers too are rapidly shrinking in numbers as well, so where the heck will you get the info from if NOBODY is brave enough to buy new components entirely blind? Are there a host of erstwhile excellent new products out there that are well below the radar of popularity from publicity?
So, to carry that argument through to it's logical conclusion, if it wasn't me (or anyone else) that was singing this cable's praises, how would anyone know it even existed?
Agreed Frank, too many people happy to shoot the messenger. :confused:
Its £500 for a bit of wire, which is VERY salty in anyone's language.
In my experience a "bit of wire" CAN substantially change the sound (and enjoyment) of your system so these things are worth exploring and not be written off without actually hearing it.
If it were my product and I was confident it was good I'd trust people to hear what I hear, get a few loan units out there and see how things go.
The minute you try to hoodwink folk and your caught, that's when it goes bad.
And shit sticks.
Have to admit, a £500 interconnect is a big ask for most folk, and diminishing returns may kick in, but in certain systems to certain people it might be the thing that makes it all come together.
You need to try it in your own system using your own ears.
This hobby is completely subjective but can cost £££'s, but good guys like Dave Brook, Paul at RFC, Keith at Purite Audio and others (as opposed to the old dealer network) are what we need to evaluate if it works for us.
Problem is the word turns into hype, which means nothing for real improvements in sound. We need to be able to cut through this and find stuff that's going to make a real difference. In any case not seen you in a while Gaz good to see you again!
We all need to see through the hype Neil, that's where home loans and "doing the right thing" comes into it.
Good to BE back, had some "off forum" real life stuff to deal with, but all sorted for the most part.
Missed the old place :)
Mr Kipling
23-04-2014, 22:18
Can I say something Frank? 95% of the time I'm an unusually tolerant and somewhat placid individual. Really. Honestly. Life for me is varying shades of grey rather than black or white. I can also see both sides of an argument. Early on in the thread Mr MCRU commented and on the one hand I thought it really wasn't the place for him to do so - but then again ( and being generous) I thought it could be seen as him wanting to share his enthusiasm, as you youself had.
What somewhat aggitated me (for some reason) was the one or two word blanket descriptions, which to my mind served no-one any good. That's not an attack on anyone. It's just how I saw it. I wanted to know what was so special about it to warrant the asking price. It didn't look like that was going to happen and so I responded as I did.
Mr MCRU seems to like to offer offers. Why does he not do a one-off simple 60 day moneyback offer on the cable for say 10 members who each put in their £50 and who each have a few days to try it out before posting it on. There will 10 peoples' views and it will ony have cost them the price of postage if none want to buy it.
I'm sorry, but the question of value-for-money cannot be escaped from, and I just don't see how it can be seen to offer it.
An idea: why not put your source and amp back-to-back and fabricate short leads. You should get away with say 4". Surely 4" of whatever you want to try will be less of a hindrance than a metre of exotica.
Have to say I've not really thought of cables as the equivalent of tone controls. I'd say their effect is somewhat more complex. I once made some interconnects and the overriding effect they had was to give an obvious sense of grip and control. I was rather surprised by it. A secondary effect was a sense of honing and paring down of the sound in general. When I've experimented with cables it's always been the small-scale stuff where differences have been the most noticable.
Ninanina
23-04-2014, 22:30
Can I say something Frank?.....
I'm sorry, but the question of value-for-money cannot be escaped from, and I just don't see how it can be seen to offer it.
Can I say something Stephen?
How on earth can you say that without actually trying the cable for yourself??..... I didn't want to get involved with the discussion of this thread but sorry you are talking totally out of kilter if you haven't actually tried the SLIC cable for yourself
That's about as strong a response as I'll ever give as you all know I'm trying to keep out of all this silly discussion.. I for one have shelled out the money to try this cable and just because some of you haven't does not mean the cable is crap or bad value for money now does it?? If you think that then you are blinkered in your thoughts
I haven't 100% decided on keeping the cable as I've not yet swapped back my current cable to make sure what I am hearing but at least I was prepared to 'give it a go' unlike most of you on this thread :D
There I've had my say..... and I won't be answering any flak from my statements.... all I will be doing is reporting back to you all once I've swapped back to my old cables and have a comparison for you... and I hope that will help you nice people on here....
The Grand Wazoo
23-04-2014, 22:37
To be fair, Bev, I don't think anyone has said it's a bad cable - no-one at all - not even the people who've tried it!
And the threshold of good and bad value for money is entirely dependent on one's own perspective.
Ninanina
23-04-2014, 22:40
To be fair, Bev, I don't think anyone has said it's a bad cable - no-one at all - not even the people who've tried it!
And the threshold of good and bad value for money is entirely dependent on one's own perspective.
Chris I couln't have said it better myself
I totally agree with you on the value thingy.... but if someone is saying it's 'bad value' without actually trying it then that's not based on any informed decision is it ??
Mr Kipling
23-04-2014, 23:01
It's really VERY EASY for me to say that it does not represent VFM. For ME £500 is a LOT OF MONEY. It represents 1/26th of my annual income. And so, I don't need to hear it to be able to say as such. For ME that amount would be better spent on a digital room treatment set-up - or in a non-hi-fi context, sponsering a young 'un in the third world.
Ninanina
23-04-2014, 23:06
It's really VERY EASY for me to say that it does not represent VFM. For ME £500 is a LOT OF MONEY. It represents 1/26th of my annual income. And so, I don't need to hear it to be able to say as such. For ME that amount would be better spent on a digital room treatment set-up - or in a non-hi-fi context, sponsering a young 'un in the third world.
Like I said "I won't be answering any flak from my statements...."
So you are on your own
Mr Kipling
23-04-2014, 23:15
Well, if you see it as flak - that's your perception, Bev. We all tend to perceive the world around us in our own particular way - which isn't always accurate, and which gives us the world we live in.
On my own? Nothing new there, Bev.
Ninanina
23-04-2014, 23:29
On my own? Nothing new there, Bev.
A bit like myself then Stephen :thumbsup:
Mr Kipling
23-04-2014, 23:33
Bev, I just have a difference of opinion to you, that's all.
Ninanina
23-04-2014, 23:39
Bev, I just have a difference of opinion to you, that's all.
And that is absolutely OK, we are all different and all the better for it, a ??
Ninanina
24-04-2014, 01:57
I promise I will try to do my comparison report in the next couple of days with the SLIC against my present cable, but my current thoughts about the SLIC cable are:
I am finding it extremely difficult to switch the toons off; I just keep grabbing cd after cd, some I forgot I had, and keep on playing them
Now whether this is the new SLIC cable making the difference or just how I am at the moment I just don't know yet
However whatever the reason I am currently listening to loads of toons and enjoying it very much indeed
Please don't attack me for my comments, and remember they are just that.. They are neither recommending the SLIC or dissing it ..... i'm just saying it as it is at the moment with my music enjoyment as it is at the moment ok..... :D
I have a hunch that the SLIC may well be adding to my enjoyment of my toons at the moment but until I've swapped back to the previous cable I can't be 100% sure on that...
I will soon report my final descision about the newfangled SLIC cable :popcorn:
VALUE = QUALITY / PRICE
The above is a marketing maxim but also holds true whatever your spending ability. Only you can know whether you can afford an item depending on the range of values you can withstand.
There is also another rough rule to be observed: cable spend should be proportionate to the equipment - up to the limit where you can hear no further gains.
With these in mind, everyone can make their own minds up - once they have listened so that they have assessed the QUALITY aspect of the equation.
Mr Kipling
24-04-2014, 07:00
Put said cable next to a £500 amp or a £500 pair of speakers - and I'll tell you which (2) would represent VFM to MY mind.
Forget all this sonic business, what does it look like?
(And how do you do the THIS THREAD IS NOTHING WITHOUT PHOTOS smiley?)
Put said cable next to a £500 amp or a £500 pair of speakers - and I'll tell you which one would represent VFM to MY mind.
Value for money is different things to different people. The average judge for VFM for many audiophiles is about some kind of arbitrary value rating compared to other costs and sonic improvements, so loose in definition that Martin Collom's scoring system is positively accurate and factual in comparison..
Thing is, if you don't spend full wack on produdcts anyway like me - cos I buy secondhand gear normally at least 15 years old - then that VFM judgement is meaningless. In that world, good things and bad things can cost exactly the same money - what matters more is how much others want that thing, how much it's been hyped etc.
How does, for example the cable VFM compare to say a Bushmaster II VFM judgment or VFM judgment of some excellent speakers for £15,000 compared to clones which sound equally amazing but built for £2000 by a DIYer?
For me, VFM judgement is all about material cost. Discoveries of good sound made at a low cost should be passed on and so make good sound cheaper for all if good sound for all is your aim - it's called technological progress in the bigger scheme of things. You can still make profits in that. Some however will see good sound with cheaper manufacturing costs as an opportunity for making loads more profit instead, because of the amount they know some people will pay for that sonic improvement.
Really depends how each person judges value in this field.. But then again value needn't include financial value at all
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Frank
You have changed your holiday destination, a change is as good as a rest it is said.
I see that there are arrows for direction. I don't suppose you have reversed them to see if it makes a difference have you?
I've put cables in only to realise later they were arrowed.
They look a bit like Chord Signatures.
Frank
You have changed your holiday destination, a change is as good as a rest it is said.
I see that there are arrows for direction. I don't suppose you have reversed them to see if it makes a difference have you?
I've put cables in only to realise later they were arrowed.
My holiday destination was a sly joke to wind someone up. Wouldn't go there if you paid me, nor the current one either.
Nope, haven't swapped the direction around at all and I am one of the folks that understands an AC signal pays no heed to directionality. I have connected cables up with arrows on every which way and it bothers me not, nor could I hear any difference either.
My holiday destination was a sly joke to wind someone up. Wouldn't go there if you paid me, nor the current one either.
Nope, haven't swapped the direction around at all and I am one of the folks that understands an AC signal pays no heed to directionality. I have connected cables up with arrows on every which way and it bothers me not, nor could I hear any difference either.
Frank
Thanks for confirming my experience and my slight understanding of AC both power and lower voltaged sine wave signals.
They look a bit like Chord Signatures.
They look a bit like any other cable on the market with a black sleeve on to be honest.
The Chord Signature has a much more distinctive look
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Frank
Thanks for confirming my experience and my slight understanding of AC both power and lower voltaged sine wave signals.
Rare for me I know, but I looked at the question of "directionality" from a logical standpoint.
If a cable is directional, there would have to be an obscure "diode effect" going on which means that if it is fed with an AC signal, one half of the waveform would be shagged (subjective mode=ON) so even then, no matter WHICH way round the cable was it would still sound 'orrible. As the LCR parameters clearly tells us, there are no "diode effects" latent in any cable - at least none that known science is aware of. In other words, I can't be arsed to fuss over such notion and dismiss it accordingly.
Rare for me I know, but I looked at the question of "directionality" from a logical standpoint.
If a cable is directional, there would have to be an obscure "diode effect" going on which means that if it is fed with an AC signal, one half of the waveform would be shagged (subjective mode=ON) so even then, no matter WHICH way round the cable was it would still sound 'orrible. As the LCR parameters clearly tells us, there are no "diode effects" latent in any cable - at least none that known science is aware of. In other words, I can't be arsed to fuss over such notion and dismiss it accordingly.
And for me it begs the question why do they put arrows on? They will know there is no directionality so surely they are creating a deception? And if that is one deception/known untruth the cable vending crew create what others.
Better not get too logical eh?
And for me it begs the question why do they put arrows on? They will know there is no directionality so surely they are creating a deception? And if that is one deception/known untruth the cable vending crew create what others.
Better not get too logical eh?
There are some people who still subscribe to the idea that arrows on cables are important though and they insist on having them. Ask any cable vendor who is contacted about arrows on cables and the lack thereof. The directional thing was conjured up many moons ago by some crackpot reviewer who had obviously been on the old "home brew" during a review and it has stuck ever since. What we really need is another stone cold sober review that formally says "Directionality is a myth" and we can all get back to the important things instead.
I always thought that the signal passing down the cables was DC?
The only reason I am aware of directional requirements is to take full benefit of the shielding.
I always thought that the signal passing down the cables was DC?
The only reason I am aware of directional requirements is to take full benefit of the shielding.
No Kevin, the signal is always alternating current which means it is flowing both ways down the cable.
The once instance which directionality is important, is when an additional outer shield/screen is grounded at one end only - usually the source end, or a twisted pair conductor configuration with an outer screen. The reason the arrows are there in that instance is because the entire cable is wrapped in sleeving so you cannot physically see the terminations.
If you really don't believe in cable directionality then try reversing just one interconnect or just one speaker cable and listen again. Did the soundstage move or distort? It can be surprising.
If you really don't believe in cable directionality then try reversing just one interconnect or just one speaker cable and listen again. Did the soundstage move or distort? It can be surprising.
I have noticed minute differences from doing that in the past Martin, but can we attribute that to the cable forming it's own direction path over time through usage, or is it simply the scrape of the unplug/plug action cleaning the contacts? I suppose to test for that you could then reverse the other cable as well, and put the first cable back to the original direction and listen again.
There are some people who still subscribe to the idea that arrows on cables are important though and they insist on having them. Ask any cable vendor who is contacted about arrows on cables and the lack thereof. The directional thing was conjured up many moons ago by some crackpot reviewer who had obviously been on the old "home brew" during a review and it has stuck ever since. What we really need is another stone cold sober review that formally says "Directionality is a myth" and we can all get back to the important things instead.
Well Frank you are a bit of a reviewer and you have said it so thats a start.
Well Frank you are a bit of a reviewer and you have said it so thats a start.
I wouldn't go that far Alan. More a like "noisy enthusiast" to be more accurate :lol:
anthonyTD
24-04-2014, 14:36
:)
No Kevin, the signal is always alternating current which means it is flowing both ways down the cable.
The once instance which directionality is important, is when an additional outer shield/screen is grounded at one end only - usually the source end, or a twisted pair conductor configuration with an outer screen. The reason the arrows are there in that instance is because the entire cable is wrapped in sleeving so you cannot physically see the terminations.
No Kevin, the signal is always alternating current which means it is flowing both ways down the cable.
The once instance which directionality is important, is when an additional outer shield/screen is grounded at one end only - usually the source end, or a twisted pair conductor configuration with an outer screen. The reason the arrows are there in that instance is because the entire cable is wrapped in sleeving so you cannot physically see the terminations.
Some screen-connected-at-both-ends cables do sound directional WHEN NEW, but I have enough properly designed cables which don't and that's just how I like it. The signal is certainly travelling down a cable from one end to another. Give 'em a fair amount of use and it doesn't seem to matter so much for some reason..
Let's see if this evenings sessions move some of those trialling SLIC to post their opinions. I may not be in the market to buy but I am curious what people find.
cyclopse
24-04-2014, 17:14
Let's see if this evenings sessions move some of those trialling SLICE to post their opinions. I may not be in the market to buy but I am curious what people find.
I think the Eclipse owners are too engrossed in the music. ;)
Some screen-connected-at-both-ends cables do sound directional WHEN NEW, but I have enough properly designed cables which don't and that's just how I like it. The signal is certainly travelling down a cable from one end to another. Give 'em a fair amount of use and it doesn't seem to matter so much for some reason..
Obviously because the electrons gain a better sense of direction over time. When the cables's new, they need the arrows so they know which direction to go in.
choirboy
24-04-2014, 17:53
I think the Eclipse owners are too engrossed in the music. ;)
Seems to be the case haha :p The cable seems to be providing *super low interference* from any of us trying to get user impressions anyway :gig::whistle:
Seems to be the case haha :p The cable seems to be providing *super low interference* from any of us trying to get user impressions anyway :gig::whistle:
That super-smooth sound has sent them all off to the land of Nod.
WAKE UP AT THE BACK THERE! WHAT'S THE CABLE SOUND LIKE????
Well there is only one answer then . . . . . . . . GET THE POPCORN OUT :lol:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popc orn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
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Please keep trade content to the trade area
I did say I would refrain from posting in this thread but as no one is commenting on the cable performance
You might develop patience regarding performance comments. You are doing yourself no favours posting when you said you wouldn't.
This thread isn't an advert for you after all is it?
Sorry Marco
You might develop patience regarding performance comments. You are doing yourself no favours posting when you said you wouldn't.
This thread isn't an advert for you after all is it?
Sorry Marco
Goodbye Alan, maybe I will meet you in the afterlife, hope not!
realysm42
24-04-2014, 19:42
Okay here goes.
First of all, think I should explain the principles behind my systems build quickly (they might sound like common sense or foo, depending on where you stand) and why these cables appealed to me:
1. I've found with experimenting, that removing vibration from all components as much as possible has helped, probably mostly so from my speakers and the valves in my DAC.
2. Removing noise from the electricity and signal at every point has helped lower the noise floor of my system to a significant degree (mains conditioner, power amp with linear PSU, PC with no moving parts and linear PSU, passive tvc line stage, filtered USB via ifi with lin... You get the idea)
The cables I've used in my system have usually been tq (most recently black diamond RCA's). My first experience of this company was its ultra black speaker cable, which I still use and they initially interested me with their phase distortion combating idea. Now is it marketing bs, or is there something to it? I've always liked what I've heard.
So it was with some curiosity I heard about Dave's new cable and (based on previous experience) the idea of noise being removed from the signal, I was intrigued so I thought I'd check them out.
I've put some hours on them now (as previously mentioned they sounded good out of the box, something I've not really experienced with any cable before) but these are still initial impressions, they might transform in time (my passive pre really came into its own at about the 300 hour mark!).
Starting at the top, treble is very clean and articulate but not bright at all. High hats and cymbals in Jo bonamassa's Man of many words are crisp, with a clear definition.
In the mids, I've listened to lots of vocal stuff, Kathryn Williams voice in Crown Electric album is sweet and a really nice earthy undertone has been revealed, it's fleshed her out nicely. Stringed instruments and horn in Christoph Bergs Paraphrases sound fantastic (this is a great album, check it out if you like newer classical music). It sounds nuanced and natural, everything has its own space to work in.
Bass is interesting because its different presentation than what I've grown accustomed to. Its very tight, articulate and deep; it's very good. I listen to a lot of Jungle / Drum and Bass, some guys go real low with their production and I really like what I get with these cables.
Sound staging is bigger than what I'm used to and when the recording is right, you get good horizontal placement with realistic heights of singers.
One thing that really struck me with these cables aren't necessarily new details I've got from lowering the noise floor in my system, but the new nuances I've got (microdynamics?) on what I've always known was there, which I really like (inflections in a singers voice for example). Checking out my favourite recordings made me smile as you're bought a little nearer to the event.
They seem to sound quieter than any other cable in my system; I don't mean they're not dynamic because they don't seem to have changed from my other cable (which I would rate as very good) but as Frank said, I've noticed I listen to everything usually about 25% louder (at least) and can turn my system up louder than I ever have done before without feeling uncomfortable, which is really good fun. I suppose it's like doing 120 in an older car compared to something much newer, they can both do it, but it's a lot more comfortable in the newer.
Final point, they are extremely neutral sounding and coherent - music flows through effortlessly, never sound congested or strained and no part of the frequency range is highlighted to my ears.
I hope this review conveys my happiness with the product without sounding too preachy/shilley; I'm at a point where I can't improve my system without considerable outlay/moving sideways instead of forward, they will be replacing the Black Diamonds - for just over half the price (1k for 2, rather that 1.7k for 2) they represent very good VFM in my eyes, they are at least as good (if not better in some areas) than the TQs. Not cheap but they punch far above their weight.
realysm42
24-04-2014, 20:00
Right, got to turn my system off now, as I'm packing it away for my move to Perth, 3 months without it :brickwall:
brian2957
24-04-2014, 20:03
Perth Scotland or Perth Australia Martin.
realysm42
24-04-2014, 20:04
Australia dude, or else I'd be asking what the Scottish mafia initiation is!
No Kevin, the signal is always alternating current which means it is flowing both ways down the cable.
The once instance which directionality is important, is when an additional outer shield/screen is grounded at one end only - usually the source end, or a twisted pair conductor configuration with an outer screen. The reason the arrows are there in that instance is because the entire cable is wrapped in sleeving so you cannot physically see the terminations.
In many ways it's not flowing at all! It's mainly about voltage differentials and therefore about the amount of push and pull. Then of course the signal alternates so fast (sub-bass of 40Hz is still 40 times per second) that flow over even a short amount of time would equal to zero on average. There is always a very slow electron flow but it's not really part of the signal as such.
Im kind of winging it here so please correct me if Im wrong anyone.
brian2957
24-04-2014, 20:11
Perth Scotland or Perth Australia Martin.
Good luck mate :)
choirboy
24-04-2014, 20:11
Okay here goes.
First of all, think I should explain the principles behind my systems build quickly (they might sound like common sense or foo, depending on where you stand) and why these cables appealed to me:
1. I've found with experimenting, that removing vibration from all components as much as possible has helped, probably mostly so from my speakers and the valves in my DAC.
2. Removing noise from the electricity and signal at every point has helped lower the noise floor of my system to a significant degree (mains conditioner, power amp with linear PSU, PC with no moving parts and linear PSU, passive tvc line stage, filtered USB via ifi with lin... You get the idea)
The cables I've used in my system have usually been tq (most recently black diamond RCA's). My first experience of this company was its ultra black speaker cable, which I still use and they initially interested me with their phase distortion combating idea. Now is it marketing bs, or is there something to it? I've always liked what I've heard.
So it was with some curiosity I heard about Dave's new cable and (based on previous experience) the idea of noise being removed from the signal, I was intrigued so I thought I'd check them out.
I've put some hours on them now (as previously mentioned they sounded good out of the box, something I've not really experienced with any cable before) but these are still initial impressions, they might transform in time (my passive pre really came into its own at about the 300 hour mark!).
Starting at the top, treble is very clean and articulate but not bright at all. High hats and cymbals in Jo bonamassa's Man of many words are crisp, with a clear definition.
In the mids, I've listened to lots of vocal stuff, Kathryn Williams voice in Crown Electric album is sweet and a really nice earthy undertone has been revealed, it's fleshed her out nicely. Stringed instruments and horn in Christoph Bergs Paraphrases sound fantastic (this is a great album, check it out if you like newer classical music). It sounds nuanced and natural, everything has its own space to work in.
Bass is interesting because its different presentation than what I've grown accustomed to. Its very tight, articulate and deep; it's very good. I listen to a lot of Jungle / Drum and Bass, some guys go real low with their production and I really like what I get with these cables.
Sound staging is bigger than what I'm used to and when the recording is right, you get good horizontal placement with realistic heights of singers.
One thing that really struck me with these cables aren't necessarily new details I've got from lowering the noise floor in my system, but the new nuances I've got (microdynamics?) on what I've always known was there, which I really like (inflections in a singers voice for example). Checking out my favourite recordings made me smile as you're bought a little nearer to the event.
They seem to sound quieter than any other cable in my system; I don't mean they're not dynamic because they don't seem to have changed from my other cable (which I would rate as very good) but as Frank said, I've noticed I listen to everything usually about 25% louder (at least) and can turn my system up louder than I ever have done before without feeling uncomfortable, which is really good fun. I suppose it's like doing 120 in an older car compared to something much newer, they can both do it, but it's a lot more comfortable in the newer.
Final point, they are extremely neutral sounding and coherent - music flows through effortlessly, never sound congested or strained and no part of the frequency range is highlighted to my ears.
I hope this review conveys my happiness with the product without sounding too preachy/shilley; I'm at a point where I can't improve my system without considerable outlay/moving sideways instead of forward, they will be replacing the Black Diamonds - for just over half the price (1k for 2, rather that 1.7k for 2) they represent very good VFM in my eyes, they are at least as good (if not better in some areas) than the TQs. Not cheap but they punch far above their weight.
Thank you for your report and taking the time to give us your thoughts, hope all goes well with the move. :)
realysm42
24-04-2014, 20:13
Good luck mate :)
Thank you, going to be a new start in life for me and the missus, excited/anxious now. I'm sure when i'm in the sun it will seem worthwhile and a break from audio will do me good (I'll have to keep repeating that, maybe one day I'll believe it!).
Thanks Michael; have you tried yours yet?
Being able to turn something up more is always a good sign IMO. Like there's less subtle distortion going on so less to upset your ears when it's amplified.
Ninanina
24-04-2014, 20:25
I think the Eclipse owners are too engrossed in the music. ;)
There maybe some truth in that statement Stephen :D
Goodbye Alan, maybe I will meet you in the afterlife, hope not!
Trying to keep up here - does this mean that you have banned Alan?
Anyway, good to see that you have removed the "Art of Sound" tag from the end of Franks review on your business web site.
Trying to keep up here - does this mean that you have banned Alan?
Anyway, good to see that you have removed the "Art of Sound" tag from the end of Franks review on your business web site.
He may think he does or wants to own the site but MCRU is not a mod he is a trader. Perhaps he is taking a holiday.
Okay here goes.
First of all, think I should explain the principles behind my systems build quickly (they might sound like common sense or foo, depending on where you stand) and why these cables appealed to me:
1. I've found with experimenting, that removing vibration from all components as much as possible has helped, probably mostly so from my speakers and the valves in my DAC.
2. Removing noise from the electricity and signal at every point has helped lower the noise floor of my system to a significant degree (mains conditioner, power amp with linear PSU, PC with no moving parts and linear PSU, passive tvc line stage, filtered USB via ifi with lin... You get the idea)
The cables I've used in my system have usually been tq (most recently black diamond RCA's). My first experience of this company was its ultra black speaker cable, which I still use and they initially interested me with their phase distortion combating idea. Now is it marketing bs, or is there something to it? I've always liked what I've heard.
So it was with some curiosity I heard about Dave's new cable and (based on previous experience) the idea of noise being removed from the signal, I was intrigued so I thought I'd check them out.
I've put some hours on them now (as previously mentioned they sounded good out of the box, something I've not really experienced with any cable before) but these are still initial impressions, they might transform in time (my passive pre really came into its own at about the 300 hour mark!).
Starting at the top, treble is very clean and articulate but not bright at all. High hats and cymbals in Jo bonamassa's Man of many words are crisp, with a clear definition.
In the mids, I've listened to lots of vocal stuff, Kathryn Williams voice in Crown Electric album is sweet and a really nice earthy undertone has been revealed, it's fleshed her out nicely. Stringed instruments and horn in Christoph Bergs Paraphrases sound fantastic (this is a great album, check it out if you like newer classical music). It sounds nuanced and natural, everything has its own space to work in.
Bass is interesting because its different presentation than what I've grown accustomed to. Its very tight, articulate and deep; it's very good. I listen to a lot of Jungle / Drum and Bass, some guys go real low with their production and I really like what I get with these cables.
Sound staging is bigger than what I'm used to and when the recording is right, you get good horizontal placement with realistic heights of singers.
One thing that really struck me with these cables aren't necessarily new details I've got from lowering the noise floor in my system, but the new nuances I've got (microdynamics?) on what I've always known was there, which I really like (inflections in a singers voice for example). Checking out my favourite recordings made me smile as you're bought a little nearer to the event.
They seem to sound quieter than any other cable in my system; I don't mean they're not dynamic because they don't seem to have changed from my other cable (which I would rate as very good) but as Frank said, I've noticed I listen to everything usually about 25% louder (at least) and can turn my system up louder than I ever have done before without feeling uncomfortable, which is really good fun. I suppose it's like doing 120 in an older car compared to something much newer, they can both do it, but it's a lot more comfortable in the newer.
Final point, they are extremely neutral sounding and coherent - music flows through effortlessly, never sound congested or strained and no part of the frequency range is highlighted to my ears.
I hope this review conveys my happiness with the product without sounding too preachy/shilley; I'm at a point where I can't improve my system without considerable outlay/moving sideways instead of forward, they will be replacing the Black Diamonds - for just over half the price (1k for 2, rather that 1.7k for 2) they represent very good VFM in my eyes, they are at least as good (if not better in some areas) than the TQs. Not cheap but they punch far above their weight.
Thank you for your thoughts on the cable Martin, which pretty much mirrors my own findings.
Given that the peeps on here rate the SLIC as "just another cable" or yet another flavour of the month which will be here today and gone tomorrow, it's a shame that there is such a loud roar of silence from all the people baying for more than one report about how the cable performs, even when someone like yourself posts their findings. If it was "just another cable" then I would suggest there would be some stiff competition put up from the TQ Black Diamonds, which are no slouch in performance terms either, so your decision to replace the TQ's with the SLICS is testimony enough that we are talking about a rather special cable. If it wasn't, I sure as heck wouldn't be owning one as little else has wowed me to such a high degree from the instant I first heard it and still giving me many pleasant surprises.
He may think he does or wants to own the site but MCRU is not a mod he is a trader. Perhaps he is taking a holiday.
Let's see if this evenings sessions move some of those trialling SLIC to post their opinions. I may not be in the market to buy but I am curious what people find.
I am guessing here, but I think Mr MCRU was getting just as frustrated as the rest of us are with the lack of reporting back from people other than myself and jumped the gun - as he so often does I'm afraid.
I think that Chris's response in post #407 was the right thing to do in this instance.
I am guessing here, but I think Mr MCRU was getting just as frustrated as the rest of us are with the lack of reporting back from people other than myself and jumped the gun - as he so often does I'm afraid.
I think that Chris's response in post #407 was the right thing to do in this instance.
Quite
That was the second trader disregard of conditions placed/asked of them yesterday.
I was wondering last night - my CD player -> amp IC is 30 cm long on the principle that as little as possible is best and least likely to affect signals. This SLIC is sold as 1m but for the same price one can buy 0.5 m I wonder what justification there can be for the same price for less? Pay more for more I agree especially if the cable has high production costs but same for less. I wouldn't want to buy more than I needed to do the job, at these heady costs I would have like a more customisable service rather than thats the product take it or leave it having a laugh.
MikeMusic
25-04-2014, 08:28
Right, got to turn my system off now, as I'm packing it away for my move to Perth, 3 months without it :brickwall:
Oh no !
:(
cyclopse
25-04-2014, 08:43
Just been notified my SLIC has been delivered today. So I can soon start feeding my observations into this thread.
jandl100
25-04-2014, 10:06
It does seem strange that the price is the same for any length at or below 1m, but it increases for longer lengths.
Logically it should be £50 less for a half metre pair as the 1.5m pair is £50 more. Maybe that's an error on the MCRU website?
Or maybe just a marketing decision to discourage having to make up fiddly small lengths?
It does seem strange that the price is the same for any length at or below 1m, but it increases for longer lengths.
Logically it should be £50 less for a half metre pair as the 1.5m pair is £50 more. Maybe that's an error on the MCRU website?
Or maybe just a marketing decision to discourage having to make up fiddly small lengths?
For the cost involved I would expect a more customer focused attitude.
0.5 m is hardley fiddley unless one is very ham fisted and in which case one would not me messing up such an expensive product. If it were 0.25m long (or my 0.3m) maybe, just maybe.
Sorry excusing them is not appreciated. As I said the shorter the cable length the less chance it has to mess up/degrade your signal. I'll get Mr Kenny on to you lot - he is a great advocate of minimal interconnection.
As the man himself is not permitted to post in this thread to answer that question, I took the liberty of sending him an email asking the same question because to be honest I was also puzzling over why a shorter length still costs the same as the full 1 metre does :scratch:
The reply I have got back says that is a labour intensive business building a SLIC interconnect and it takes just as much time to build a 1 metre as it would take to build a cable of any shorter length. The length of time spent on building a cable greater than 1 metre is just the same, but of course more materials is being used in a longer length cable.
Don't shoot me, I am only the messenger :guns:
As the man himself is not permitted to post in this thread to answer that question, I took the liberty of sending him an email asking the same question because to be honest I was also puzzling over why a shorter length still costs the same as the full 1 metre does :scratch:
The reply I have got back says that is a labour intensive business building a SLIC interconnect and it takes just as much time to build a 1 metre as it would take to build a cable of any shorter length. The length of time spent on building a cable greater than 1 metre is just the same, but of course more materials is being used in a longer length cable.
Don't shoot me, I am only the messenger :guns:
Bang.
Begs a question is Mr MCRU making these up himself or reselling SLIC's efforts?
I guess whoever it is has too much business to care about being logical and credible. Whilst a 1m cable might be more resaleable (would one ever want to sell one?) I wouldn't want acres of cable to make tidy behind my kit when I can buy something just as enjoyable after the novelty has worn off/burned in.
Thanks for asking Frank
Edit: I don't see why he cannot make factual/informational posts surely it is the advertising promotional stuff that he must avoid. Perhaps that distinction is something he cannot make or control himself over.
Bang.
Begs a question is Mr MCRU making these up himself or reselling SLIC's efforts?
I guess whoever it is has too much business to care about being logical and credible. Whilst a 1m cable might be more resaleable (would one ever want to sell one?) I wouldn't want acres of cable to make tidy behind my kit when I can buy something just as enjoyable after the novelty has worn off/burned in.
Thanks for asking Frank
Edit: I don't see why he cannot make factual/informational posts surely it is the advertising promotional stuff that he must avoid. Perhaps that distinction is something he cannot make or control himself over.
My understanding (If I am correct) is that Mr MCRU does the cable builds himself, as in fitting the plugs and whatnot to make the finished product. He then runs them on the "cooker" for a while prior to dispatch, hence why I believe people like Stephen have had to wait a while.
I can understand your bemusement and frustration of not being able to buy a custom length at the price you wish to pay, but I have no say in that whatsoever. If you or anyone else is GENUINELY interested in the cable, then my best advice is to discuss it with Mr MCRU directly.
With regards to your "EDIT:" Alan, I think it's a case of the distinctions between factual and promotional being a bit blurred at times for either party.
This is my own cable being cooked on the machine before being sent. It was my recommendation that all cables were put on the machine prior to dispatch because the prototype cable sounded different to the pre-production one I was sent. I discovered that the prototype had some running hours on it and the later one didn't. I also think this is why Martin's cables sounded the way they did fresh out of the box as he points out in his review.
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realysm42
25-04-2014, 12:17
Is that a cable burn in machine?
Is that a cable burn in machine?
Yes it is Martin.
Did a search on the internet for a picture of the whole machine for you to see.
http://www.audiofederation.com/blog-images/IMG_9970.jpg
http://www.audiofederation.com/blog-images/IMG_9974.jpg
anthonyTD
25-04-2014, 14:43
:eek::lol:
Obviously because the electrons gain a better sense of direction over time. When the cables's new, they need the arrows so they know which direction to go in.
jandl100
25-04-2014, 15:15
Backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards - that's all the little electron probability clouds do with an AC signal. (It's all quantum, you know). Over a quite short distance, too!
Still, I guess they need to know the direction they should start with. Backwards and forwards, or forwards and backwards? It makes all the difference. ;)
Backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards - that's all the little electron probability clouds do with an AC signal. (It's all quantum, you know). Over a quite short distance, too!
Still, I guess they need to know the direction they should start with. Backwards and forwards, or forwards and backwards? It makes all the difference. ;)
Oh dear, so what happens when one lot is going forwards and the other lot is going backwards at the same time, do they have a great big crash? :eek:
Now there's an idea :bulb:
Invent a cable with traffic lights and box junctions :eyebrows:
cyclopse
25-04-2014, 17:22
Been a wait and finally here. A couple of pictures for you;-
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/cyclopse14/SlicEclipsebox.jpg
The balanced version;-
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/cyclopse14/SLICEclipse.jpg
Please note these are my own personal Oyaide XLRs' that I sent up to MCRU for installation. They won't feature in the normal balanced version.
The current cable removed;-
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/cyclopse14/NordostValhalla.jpg
A Nordost Valhalla which costs many times the Eclipse.
Audiophile friends coming round later. Let the testing begin!
realysm42
25-04-2014, 18:13
Interesting. Any initial impressions?
What do yo make of the Nordosts bass? I heard they're good for table detail but lacking in the lows?
Ninanina
25-04-2014, 18:33
Stephen I am pleased you have now got your own little snakes... :D
Happy listening ;)
jandl100
25-04-2014, 20:51
Oh dear, so what happens when one lot is going forwards and the other lot is going backwards at the same time, do they have a great big crash? :eek:
Now there's an idea :bulb:
Invent a cable with traffic lights and box junctions :eyebrows:
No no, traffic lights not needed - I'm sure they all dance along in sync with the AC mains supply to the amp. :dance: :lol:
Wakefield Turntables
25-04-2014, 21:44
Interesting. Any initial impressions?
What do yo make of the Nordosts bass? I heard they're good for table detail but lacking in the lows?
+1 I've (note the word I've) been a Nordost fan for some time. They do not do BASS but can do treble, they are well known for being bass light. So far I have tried SPM, Valhalla, and TYR. I still own Valhalla and TYR in my valve system. The SPM cables I own may be going up for sale.
Ninanina
25-04-2014, 21:55
cyclopse...... (Stephen).. has been very quiet since he received his new SLIC snakes...
I wonder if he can't turn his tooons off either? ;)
cyclopse...... (Stephen).. has been very quiet since he received his new SLIC snakes...
I wonder if he can't turn his tooons off either? ;)
I think it's probably the large brandy he took for the shock of hearing bass after the Valhalla. Only kidding Stephen ;)
I never could see the fascination of having a cable in my system that leaves half the music out of the equation :rolleyes: I Have a short length of Odin here and it does nothing for me.
Still, each to his own and if it pleases Stephen then who am I to knock his choices? :)
Ninanina
25-04-2014, 22:14
I have a short length of Odin here and it does nothing for me
What's Odin ?? new to me
What's Odin ?? new to me
Odin is the topmost cable in Nordost's range with a frightening price tag. I didn't buy it I hasten to add (I'm not that rich LOL) but acquired it in a swap deal. True to the rest of the Nordost family it has a shyness to recreate accurate bass which I find odd to say the least. Top end is crisp and clear mind.
http://www.emconnect.co.uk/images/SRAlInter.png
cyclopse
25-04-2014, 22:22
Hi everyone,
Fresh out of the listening session. Boy this little snake is good. Been into audio for 30 years so I have well trained ears.
Audiophile friend comments. Yes its a very musical cable. Its well balanced across the whole frequency spectrum.
Time after time material I know well would reveal something new in the mix. Yes the bass is better than Valhalla more of it and tighter. Yes you can pick something in the mix and follow it through the track.As Frank says it does all frequencies exceedingly well and not having any weak areas.
Its early days yet but I haven't come across such an improvement and from a wire.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Stephen
Ninanina
25-04-2014, 22:23
Odin is the topmost cable in Nordost's range with a frightening price tag. I didn't buy it I hasten to add (I'm not that rich LOL) but acquired it in a swap deal. True to the rest of the Nordost family it has a shyness to recreate accurate bass which I find odd to say the least. Top end is crisp and clear mind.
Frank I've just looked at the price...... now that really is crazy....!! :mental::mental:
Ninanina
25-04-2014, 22:28
Boy this little snake is good
Stephen I am really pleased that your initial impressions are so good
It creates the most addictive sound I have ever heard and I hope you find the same... ;)
I had a Nordost El Dorado power cable many years ago. It was quite poor, not even as good as the cheapest Russ Andrews Yello cables of the time. Never touched Nordost again.
jandl100
26-04-2014, 07:29
Nordost Magus mains cables are quite special.
(Now rebranded as Blue Heaven).
I use them on most kit, but not all, they are the best I've heard overall. Lucid and clear - they really let the music shine through, but no, not shy in the bass.
Bottom of the range, but sound much better to me than their more expensive brethren.
I had a few spare, as one does, and sold them to a couple of forum friends - they love them too. :)
I think the El Dorado went the same way as the TV series :lol:
jandl100
26-04-2014, 08:13
I think the El Dorado went the same way as the TV series :lol:
Whereas the Magus has a touch of magic it to it. ;)
+1 I've (note the word I've) been a Nordost fan for some time.
"I have been" is the imperfect and so says that you still are.. Is that what you meant?
But that's the obvious and literal meaning of what you wrote, so does the emphasis you added mean you intended to say "I HAD been"?
Can I get a better handling on the words used here in this thread?
What kind of magnitude differences are we talking here? Like moving from a mid range integrated from the 90s to a proper audiophile system? Or something more subtle like changing CD transport or changing volume pot?
Can I get a better handling on the words used here in this thread?
What kind of magnitude differences are we talking here? Like moving from a mid range integrated from the 90s to a proper audiophile system? Or something more subtle like changing CD transport or changing volume pot?
An accepted lexicon would be an amazing step forward for AoS.
An accepted lexicon would be an amazing step forward for AoS.
'I was blown away' = 'It was slightly better'
'Game-changing' = 'slightly better'
'Jaw-dropping' = 'slightly better'
'Even my wife, who doesn't normally notice these things, was impressed' = 'She said it was slightly better, just to humour me'
'It trounced the <whatever>' = 'It was slightly better than the <whatever>'
The Grand Wazoo
26-04-2014, 13:37
'Night and day' = One minute before sunset and one minute after sunset.
realysm42
26-04-2014, 13:54
Ah, how does one objectively describe the subjective? I don't know but I think arguing about it on the internet is a good first step!
'I was blown away' = 'It was slightly better'
'Game-changing' = 'slightly better'
'Jaw-dropping' = 'slightly better'
'Even my wife, who doesn't normally notice these things, was impressed' = 'She said it was slightly better, just to humour me'
'It trounced the <whatever>' = 'It was slightly better than the <whatever>'
Best wife response ever....
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?32098-This-made-a-difference!&p=545136#post545136
awesome craig, had me in stitches. :)
Mr Kipling
26-04-2014, 14:27
An accepted lexicon would be an amazing step forward for AoS.
Had a faulty one once. Never got it to work.
"It was like BEING THERE" = I HAVE been certified Dellusional.
The benefits of this cable, and any other, should be able to be heard when used between a cd and recorder of some type, cassette/md, and the effects recorded.
Improvements I tend to note are nearly always by "A factor of wadds".
haha...
Well all those responses and craig's wife's one too are all pretty good!
So I guess this mystery cable has a new strap line! (David are you reading this?)
"The new SLiC - it's slightly better! (but I fell off my chair anyway) "
choirboy
26-04-2014, 15:55
Can any of the SLIC users tell me about the RCA connectors? I gather they use the KLE Innovations Harmony RCA Plugs.
How do they grip the socket? Do they lock in any way? Good solid contact or fairly loose fitting?
I don't know about KLE but they are based on the older Eichmann Bullet plugs (the KLE person invented them, probably lost the exclusive rights somewhere along the line) - on the whole I find the Eichmann Bullet plugs to be a nice tight fit but due to having a lot less metal involved (the contact area is deliberately small) they remove and connect easily, unlike some horribly tight RCAs.
I imagine that the price of these super-dooper interconnects will go up when the all silver KLE plugs come out and are used instead?
Can any of the SLIC users tell me about the RCA connectors? I gather they use the KLE Innovations Harmony RCA Plugs.
How do they grip the socket? Do they lock in any way? Good solid contact or fairly loose fitting?
Best described as a "firm" fit so you don't have to push and shove to get them in, nor are they sloppy like a willy in a Wellington boot. A perfect fit in fact.
....
I've put some hours on them now (as previously mentioned they sounded good out of the box, something I've not really experienced with any cable before) but these are still initial impressions, they might transform in time (my passive pre really came into its own at about the 300 hour mark!).
Starting at the top, treble is very clean and articulate but not bright at all. High hats and cymbals in Jo bonamassa's Man of many words are crisp, with a clear definition.
In the mids, I've listened to lots of vocal stuff, Kathryn Williams voice in Crown Electric album is sweet and a really nice earthy undertone has been revealed, it's fleshed her out nicely. Stringed instruments and horn in Christoph Bergs Paraphrases sound fantastic (this is a great album, check it out if you like newer classical music). It sounds nuanced and natural, everything has its own space to work in.
Bass is interesting because its different presentation than what I've grown accustomed to. Its very tight, articulate and deep; it's very good. I listen to a lot of Jungle / Drum and Bass, some guys go real low with their production and I really like what I get with these cables.
Sound staging is bigger than what I'm used to and when the recording is right, you get good horizontal placement with realistic heights of singers.
One thing that really struck me with these cables aren't necessarily new details I've got from lowering the noise floor in my system, but the new nuances I've got (microdynamics?) on what I've always known was there, which I really like (inflections in a singers voice for example). Checking out my favourite recordings made me smile as you're bought a little nearer to the event.
They seem to sound quieter than any other cable in my system; I don't mean they're not dynamic because they don't seem to have changed from my other cable (which I would rate as very good) but as Frank said, I've noticed I listen to everything usually about 25% louder (at least) and can turn my system up louder than I ever have done before without feeling uncomfortable, which is really good fun. I suppose it's like doing 120 in an older car compared to something much newer, they can both do it, but it's a lot more comfortable in the newer.
Final point, they are extremely neutral sounding and coherent - music flows through effortlessly, never sound congested or strained and no part of the frequency range is highlighted to my ears.
........
Good to read a second opinion to Franks. Given that you have spent £1000 for these 2 cables and would only give your findings when both were in place which boxes were connected by them?
If I were to become amazed by them then £2000 would be required to transform all analogue connections before the amp and that is almost as much as my DAC. The cost of just one would be more than all the cables currently in my system put together. No matter what the performance is for others who have tried them that cost is one I would not enter into lightly.
Enjoy Australia.
Good to read a second opinion to Franks. Given that you have spent £1000 for these 2 cables and would only give your findings when both were in place which boxes were connected by them?
If I were to become amazed by them then £2000 would be required to transform all analogue connections before the amp and that is almost as much as my DAC. The cost of just one would be more than all the cables currently in my system put together. No matter what the performance is for others who have tried them that cost is one I would not enter into lightly.
Enjoy Australia.
Alan, put your obvious scepticism away for a moment and just try one betwixt DAC and amp. Once you have heard for yourself that NONE of us SLIC owners are feeding you any bullshit or hype about the cable, then i suggest you polish up your busking skills to earn the loot to buy some more :eyebrows:
realysm42
26-04-2014, 20:01
Good to read a second opinion to Franks. Given that you have spent £1000 for these 2 cables and would only give your findings when both were in place which boxes were connected by them?
If I were to become amazed by them then £2000 would be required to transform all analogue connections before the amp and that is almost as much as my DAC. The cost of just one would be more than all the cables currently in my system put together. No matter what the performance is for others who have tried them that cost is one I would not enter into lightly.
Enjoy Australia.
Thanks Alan.
I connected my dac to my pre, and then pre to power amp. I only use a single source (PC). I appreciate the cost isn't a minor consideration for you, needing 4 for a full loom. If you are interested would it be possible to place on where every source/component would run through it (perhaps pre to power).
When I had one slic in and one tq in, it still improved the sound, albeit not as fully as a full loom.
Michael, I agree with Frank, they are a good fit that inspires confidence without fear of damaging equipment with insertion/removal. Interesting to hear how they compared to the Odin's!
choirboy
26-04-2014, 22:32
Thanks for the replies, good to know they fit well.
Although im struggling to get the 'willy in a wellington' image out if my mind, cheers Frank :mental:
Michael, I agree with Frank, they are a good fit that inspires confidence without fear of damaging equipment with insertion/removal. Interesting to hear how they compared to the Odin's!
And agrees with my experience of the Eichmann Bullet RCAs - they are essentially the same anyway, minor update to bring their manufacture back to the original designer , a competing product.
From what I am reading on the forum, this thread is being termed a "soap opera" or "divisive" and various other insidious snide remarks, so it's time for me to leave it entirely and the forum too for that matter, because I cannot stand the schoolboys sniggering behind the bike sheds mentality. I truly am disappointed that there are so many closed minds on here from people I thought were far better than that.
This cable is all that I have said about it and more, so if you all want to carry on using your coloured and flawed cables I couldn't care less to be honest, because I am enjoying superb sounds here while I read the crap you lot write about it - NEVER HAVING HEARD IT. Calling me a shill and patsy merely serves you show that is just about as "open" as your minds really are. Other independent people are starting to say exactly the same complimentary comments about what they hear from this cable, but does that make any difference at all? No, it turns into a sort of "shill conspiracy" in your minds. Pathetic.
It will no doubt gain it's own popularity and momentum anyway without me saying another word and I hope it does acquire a well deserved reputation for being a damn good cable in it's own right.
jandl100
27-04-2014, 07:46
Oh no. Cool it, Frank. No one who knows you at all doubts your sincerity.
It's only a cable.
Chill out, dude. :cool:
Why is it that cable threads are the most emotive on every HiFi forum?
Yes it's a £500 cable, but more expensive exist. What's the problem with the cost?
If you can afford it, go for it. If you can't, then there are plenty if other cables out there.
At this moment in time, I can't justify that amount of cash on a cable. Too many other priorities in life, but when I can I will take the opportunity to listen to it, or the next best cable that comes along. Cables and theories evolve. It's a fact of life, so in the meantime, enjoy whatever cable you choose.
jandl100
27-04-2014, 08:41
The tragedy here is that a great guy has been manipulated by a cunning marketeer, and the result is sadness, anger and pain.
What a shame.
This is nothing about the cable concerned and everything about a manipulative marketeer, imo.
Very sad. :(
This is nothing about the cable concerned and everything about a manipulative marketeer, imo.
Totally agree Jerry and Frank anything negative I have posted is most certainly not directed towards your good-self, I enjoy reading your posts immensely. My distaste is about the manipulation of people for profit and nothing to do with the cable itself - people can buy and do what they like, but if they 'appear' to have been manipulated, then you are clearly going to get divided opinions on an open forum. Even if everything is above board, not everyone will see it that way.
We can't all agree about everything, but we should be allowed to voice an opinion shouldn't we?
Gordon Steadman
27-04-2014, 09:19
Well, this is an assumption that is easily made I suppose but I’m not sure its a proven fact. In any case, the question as to why cable threads arouse such feelings seems to relate to the evangelistic tone as much as anything else.
Those of us who are just a little cynical (thats me) about the whole thing, are accused of being deaf or that our systems are obviously not ‘high resolution’ enough for the obvious differences to show and the hackles rise. The sensible thing to do is stay out of the thread of course, but hey, we are only human and its our ‘subjective’ view that some let their enthusiasm carry them away.
Forums are about discussion after all and if it was only the believers who join in, where is the discussion?
Some of us have been through this sort of stuff many times over many years, see the ‘obvious’ ways to improve our systems come and go and just sit back and enjoy the show. Caveat emptor obviously applies to all things but I do think that the odd still small voice saying ‘take care not get carried away’ has a part to play.
Effem is, I feel, allowing things posted elsewhere to reinforce his feelings of being attacked. The anti posts here seem to me to be pretty lightweight and generally, in good humour. If he feels that strongly about it, fine, bog off and stop enjoying what is, in general, a fun place to inhabit. Otherwise, man up and accept that life doesn’t always offer sweetness and light and you may find you still have some relevant input to make here and there.
I appreciate that I am someone who ‘flounced off; from elsewhere because the tone finally wore me down so if that point has been reached, goodbye and good luck.
PS Just realised I didn't quote from Jerry's last post.
Wakefield Turntables
27-04-2014, 09:30
I generally try and avoid cable discussions now. I have a firm set of beliefs with regards cables. I think these could be easily found on AOS if someone chose to search. Nowadays I keep my gob firmly shut. I only make comments with regards cables that I *think* have made a positive impact in my system, or I will generally comment on cables if I feel another user has had similar experiences to myself with a specific cable. This is hopefully to help others make a decision about a cable. I have a view point that if many people hear and describe similar things and characteristics in a cable then its *probably* correct. At the end of the day, it is only a cable!
Quite some time ago, Frank should have refrained from comment about the cable (as he kept hinting he was going to) and let others post their views. Instead he kept 'chipping in', even egging the reviewers on to be more complimentary about the cable. That gave the impression that he was actively promoting it.
Ammonite Audio
27-04-2014, 10:26
Why is it that cable threads are the most emotive on every HiFi forum?
Yes it's a £500 cable, but more expensive exist. What's the problem with the cost?
If you can afford it, go for it. If you can't, then there are plenty if other cables out there.
At this moment in time, I can't justify that amount of cash on a cable. Too many other priorities in life, but when I can I will take the opportunity to listen to it, or the next best cable that comes along. Cables and theories evolve. It's a fact of life, so in the meantime, enjoy whatever cable you choose.
Quite.
I don't agree with the shilling accusations made here and 'elsewhere' - anyone is free to discuss what's good or bad about something they have bought. It does not mean that they are somehow pressured into doing so by some evil marketeer.
This thread and the accusations made or implied sadden me enormously. I'm sure everyone on AoS is reasonable, polite and tolerant in real life - why not here too?
choirboy
27-04-2014, 10:28
Quite some time ago, Frank should have refrained from comment about the cable (as he kept hinting he was going to) and let others post their views. Instead he kept 'chipping in', even egging the reviewers on to be more complimentary about the cable. That gave the impression that he was actively promoting it.
That seems really unfair to me. He wasn't egging people on to be complimentary about it but rather to make some sort of comment as the thread was desending into pointlessness. The thread was after all about the cable yet after 40 or so pages seemed to have very little user opinion on the product.
I'm sure if someone had had a negative experience with cable it wouldn't have bothered Frank at all.
choirboy
27-04-2014, 10:31
Quite.
I don't agree with the shilling accusations made here and 'elsewhere' - anyone is free to discuss what's good or bad about something they have bought. It does not mean that they are somehow pressured into doing so by some evil marketeer.
This thread and the accusations made or implied sadden me enormously. I'm sure everyone on AoS is reasonable, polite and tolerant in real life - why not here too?
Quite, couldn't agree more.
The tragedy here is that a great guy has been manipulated by a cunning marketeer, and the result is sadness, anger and pain.
What a shame.
This is nothing about the cable concerned and everything about a manipulative marketeer, imo.
Very sad. :(
I generally agree with your views Jerry but you could not be more wrong if you tried mate.
A "cunning marketeer"? Do me a favour!
Which "cunning marketeer" would barge into threads like this and post the inappropriate utter tosh that Mr MCRU does?
Which "cunning marketeer" would shoot THEMSELVES in the foot by having on the same page of his website statements like "Possibly the best interconnects on the planet" and "The MCRU Ultimate Interconnect" as well as the new wonder cable? It's obvious to me for sure that Mr MCRU hasn't ANY marketing skills as his strong points.
There is NO "cunning marketeer" about the man except for innate enthusiasm fuelled by sheer naivety, plus a heady mix of not knowing when to keep his trap shut.
I make no attempt to defend the man in any way shape or form, I am just putting into focus what you are all interpreting as FACT, wrapped in mythology.
Even so, what gives any of you the right to undermine me and my perceptions of this cable because you feel that Mr MCRU isn't quite "playing cricket" by the forum rules? There is a very good mod team on here that is perfectly capable of putting the man right for his misdeeds and me too if it comes to that. I have had one PM from a mod who expressed his concerns that I was being used or manipulated, which I put my own response to. There are others that are "playing cricket" on the surface but underneath that is far from the truth. "What the eye does not see . . . . . . . . "
I have also said before quite clearly that it is neither mine nor the cable's fault who the sole vendor of the cable happens to be and any issues you may have with that person should not spill over into my perceptions of the cable. That is what is making me so angry, is that you lot cannot do a simple task like that and bury your prejudices for once.
I am not flouncing off in a huff either, because I have had fearsome ding dongs on forums for more years than I would wish for, much much more heated than this ever has been, but this is the first time I have been hurt by prejudice, rumour, misinformation and someone else's "crimes".
The Grand Wazoo
27-04-2014, 10:47
I don't agree with the shilling accusations made here and 'elsewhere' - anyone is free to discuss what's good or bad about something they have bought. It does not mean that they are somehow pressured into doing so by some evil marketeer.
I don't think anyone on AoS has accused Frank of doing anything underhand. I suspect that a couple of people think it and I know that view is strongly expressed in another place that some of our members inhabit.
BUT:
I have never accused, implied or had privately held views that Frank is doing such a thing, only that his goodwill and enthusiasm have been cynically taken advantage of by someone else.
I also fail to see anything anywhere on this thread, or any other thread on AoS, where someone states that it's a bad cable - where did that come from?
icehockeyboy
27-04-2014, 10:54
I find it sad that a good man like Frank has decided to call it a day here.
We both did the same at another forum due to similar scenarios, finding ' comfort' here at AOS.
Sadly, possibly due to other former members of that un named place coming over here, the general tone of some threads has taken on a similar character to what we tried to escape from.
Maybe it isn't like that, but nevertheless a guy whose opinion I value has seen fit to leave.
I was also accused of 'shilling' at the other place, merely because I believed a certain brand of cable was really rather good, especially at a price point way below what is being discussed here.
Frank, if you do hang up your Hifi boots, I for one will miss you. :(
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Don't enjoy this.
jandl100
27-04-2014, 11:05
Ah well - have a nice day, one and all. :cheers:
Ammonite Audio
27-04-2014, 11:24
I don't think anyone on AoS has accused Frank of doing anything underhand. I suspect that a couple of people think it and I know that view is strongly expressed in another place that some of our members inhabit.
BUT:
I have never accused, implied or had privately held views that Frank is doing such a thing, only that his goodwill and enthusiasm have been cynically taken advantage of by someone else.
I also fail to see anything anywhere on this thread, or any other thread on AoS, where someone states that it's a bad cable - where did that come from?
It's plainly not a bad cable and nobody has said so - my point is that anyone should be free to relate their experiences of any item of equipment, good or bad, without being accused of being anything other than an honest enthusiast. My apologies if I did not make that clear.
The Grand Wazoo
27-04-2014, 11:35
No, a misunderstanding I think Hugo. That remark was not related to your post - I tried to acknowledge that by my use of spacing - too lazy to go & get the quote.
Quite some time ago, Frank should have refrained from comment about the cable (as he kept hinting he was going to) and let others post their views. Instead he kept 'chipping in', even egging the reviewers on to be more complimentary about the cable. That gave the impression that he was actively promoting it.
Please be accurate Joe, not your version of accuracy :rolleyes:
I have asked people to do two simple and easy tasks to see if they agree with my findings about certain aspects of the cable. Nothing more, nothing less.
If any one of them found differently to what I found, I would not have disputed or commented on that at all.
Audio Al
27-04-2014, 12:53
Come on folks
CALM DOWN PLEASE
Its a thread about a cable that costs £500
Of no interest too me as I am not planning on buying one any time soon
Some people are willing to pay this amount and comment on their finding, I say good for them. If the cables bring something else to their audio enjoyment that's great.
As for the price thats set by the seller.
As for the popularity of the cable , Thats set buy the people who buy them.
If I wanted a £500 cable I would read the thread but as already stated I am not at the moment
Stay with us Frank ;)
I dip into this thread occasionally now but certainly can't be bothered reading all of it:
I can't say I see any evidence that Frank is being cunningly manipulated - he used to make and sell cables and from someone who wrote that he could tell what mains cables were being used without even entering the room it is hardly surprising he is enthusiastic about this one. To be honest. I don't know what is I annoying him so - is it bitchy comments made elsewhere on the net
choirboy
27-04-2014, 13:50
I imagine that the price of these super-dooper interconnects will go up when the all silver KLE plugs come out and are used instead?
Apparently they don't use KLE plugs at all. I contacted David and in the interests of information (seeing as he cannot post here) this is what he said in typically succinct fashion:
Hi
The slics do not have eichmanns fitted in any shape or form.
Thx.
mcru
I can't say I see any evidence that Frank is being cunningly manipulated - he used to make and sell cables and from someone who wrote that he could tell what mains cables were being used without even entering the room it is hardly surprising he is enthusiastic about this one. To be honest. I don't know what is I annoying him so - is it bitchy comments made elsewhere on the net
It was comments elsewhere on this forum that has angered me so much, from people I thought were above such childishness.
Yes those comments elsewhere also do annoy me and that is because of the gross inaccuracies and lies being perpetrated just for their "amusement" and delusional views, sadly being migrated to here as well covertly. I did actually sign up and try to convince them that they should have no concerns and their accusations of my being a shill were entirely unfounded. I might as well have tried to teach a dog turd to jump through hoops backwards, than to discuss anything reasonably and sensibly with them. Find it very rich too, given what was being sold to the gullible public as well from certain quarters, but I have more self-respect and dignity to blab it all round the internet just for my "amusement".
Apparently they don't use KLE plugs at all. I contacted David and in the interests of information (seeing as he cannot post here) this is what he said in typically succinct fashion:
He is right, they don't have Eichmanns fitted. The KLE plugs are not an 'Eichmann' plug, but another design or refinement from the man himself under another guise
choirboy
27-04-2014, 14:19
He is right, they don't have Eichmanns fitted. The KLE plugs are not an 'Eichmann' plug, but another design or refinement from the man himself under another guise
I asked David about the KLE Harmony plugs and whether the price of the interconnect would go up when the Silver Harmony was available? I also asked whether he would fit the upgraded plugs to existing SLIC customers for a discounted rate or cost of new connectors etc? Also how easy would it be for a person to fit new plugs on thmselves? This is the response i got. So now I'm just confused :confused:
Do they use the KLE Harmony plugs or not? If they do then David didn't answer my question at all.
I asked David about the KLE Harmony plugs and whether the price of the interconnect would go up when the Silver Harmony was available? I also asked whether he would fit the upgraded plugs to existing SLIC customers for a discounted rate or cost of new connectors etc? Also how easy would it be for a person to fit new plugs on thmselves? This is the response i got. So now I'm just confused :confused:
Do they use the KLE Harmony plugs or not? If they do then David didn't answer my question at all.
I'm sorry Michael, I probably added to your confusion.
What I didn't do was actually check what plugs were fitted to my own SLIC interconnects, so I believe I can feel the flat sections of a Furutech plug underneath the shrink sleeving. My apologies for that.
choirboy
27-04-2014, 14:51
I'm sorry Michael, I probably added to your confusion.
What I didn't do was actually check what plugs were fitted to my own SLIC interconnects, so I believe I can feel the flat sections of a Furutech plug underneath the shrink sleeving. My apologies for that.
Ahh, ok. So Furutech plugs are on the SLICS as far as we know.
Thanks Frank.
jandl100
27-04-2014, 14:55
Woo!
After that brief period of soul-searching, we're off again. :yay: :lol:
choirboy
27-04-2014, 15:01
I'm sorry Michael, I probably added to your confusion.
What I didn't do was actually check what plugs were fitted to my own SLIC interconnects, so I believe I can feel the flat sections of a Furutech plug underneath the shrink sleeving. My apologies for that.
Actually i can't see anything that remotely resembles the connectors on the MCRU website? None of the Furutech ones look like the SLIC connectors. The KLE look like them though.
I feel it's a bit silly for David Brook to be unable to comment in this thread regarding questions of a technical nature about the cables.
Gordon Steadman
27-04-2014, 15:12
Its rather like being sat in front of East Enders and not being able to switch the TV off this. Is it the longest thread on record? I have tried marking the thread 'post read' but I tend to use What's new and all I see is 'The Mystery Cable' all down the page. I realise I don't have to read it and indeed I couldn't force myself to usually but its getting a bit hard to avoid. Can't you just move on?
Thats 500 posts:eek:
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