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Looking for a high end CD player, any make, cosmetics not important but must be in full working order. Must be hgh end build quality; essentially if it weighs less than 10 kilos then I am not interested. Don't need a remote.
Will go up to a monkey for the right item but certainly no more than that. You won't be able to give these things away in ten years time (maybe less).
And you must be prepared to ship, no collection only bollox.
Thanks
hoopsontoast
04-03-2014, 13:34
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?30773-FS-Toshiba-SD9500-Battleship-DVD-CD-HDCD-DAC
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http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?30773-FS-Toshiba-SD9500-Battleship-DVD-CD-HDCD-DAC
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Thanks Rob but I am after something that is considerably more 'high end'.
hoopsontoast
04-03-2014, 13:44
Thanks Rob but I am after something that is considerably more 'high end'.
No worries, I have no idea how much a 'monkey' is :scratch:
istari_knight
04-03-2014, 13:45
£500 will buy you something lovely :) May I suggest a Copland CDA-288 ? I had one for a few months & it was fan bloody tastic... In fact, anything from Copland would be nice !
Wakefield Turntables
04-03-2014, 13:49
Try getting yourself a TEAC VRDS 25x I bought one and have not regretted it.
Thanks I do fancy a Pioneer PD91 having lusted after one for twenty odd years. Teac I would also consider. Don't want to buy off eBay if I can help it hence the shout out here.
BTW A 'monkey' is five hundred English pounds for anyone not up to speed with the vernacular ;)
swampdog
04-03-2014, 14:24
How about this for £249!
http://www.2ndhandhifi.co.uk/digital/sony-xa3000es-sacd-player/
hoopsontoast
04-03-2014, 17:10
Have a look out for a Sony DVP-S9000ES as well, it might be a DVD player but its strictly 2-channel. R-Core Transformer, over built etc etc.
Does SACD too and I prefer it to the Teac VRDS10SE I had before, to put it against some more esoteric competition.
Mr Kipling
04-03-2014, 18:55
I do like these no-nonsense ads. A breath of fresh air after the twaddle usually found on eBay.
What's happen to the Technics? There's one on German eBay with a price of over €900. That other one still available?
I'd try to find a Marantz CD95. Pretty in my opinion.
Player or Transport though (including player for use as a transport)?
Ninanina
04-03-2014, 23:06
I was going to mention the Marantz CD94 which should be a little bit cheaper than the 95. They both have the fantastic Philips CDM-1 mechanism which is very highly rated, not least because I believe it is made of metal rather than plastic which is more the norm...
The main difference, I think, is the 95 has 2 x Philips TDA1541A DAC chip's while the 94 has 1 x Philips TDA1541A chip, and the 94 has wooden cheeks and the 95 I believe are metal. I guess if you are using it as a complete CDP (without an external DAC) then probably the 95 would pip it... that's just my opinion though ;)
If you want a pretty complete list of which CDP's use which DAC AND which mechanism I can probably fish the link out for this, let me know and i'll have a look see :)
My reason for suggesting the 95 over the 94 is simply the champaigne facia with the blue lights. To me the 94 looks a little boring, possibly simply because I've seen so many photos of it!
Audioman
05-03-2014, 07:47
My reason for suggesting the 95 over the 94 is simply the champaigne facia with the blue lights. To me the 94 looks a little boring, possibly simply because I've seen so many photos of it!
The one to get out of this series is the CD12LE. Two box player looks similar to 95. Problem with all these is lack of spare laser/transports. There was even an expensive KI mod for the LE a few years later. Think Ken Kessler had one.
How about this for £249!
http://www.2ndhandhifi.co.uk/digital/sony-xa3000es-sacd-player/
That's a good spot - about a ton cheaper than gets asked on eBay for them
Marantz players have bever really convinced me although I have not heard a '95. I have always thought they do better with Classical and that is not something I ever play. At the moment looks like I am going to go for another Technics SLP1200 since I know for a fact that will do the job with my system. Just need to work up the gumption to hit the BIN button....
Here you go Martin:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPERB-SONY-CDP-X505ES-HIGH-QUALITY-CD-PLAYER-IN-NEAR-MINT-CONDITION-/271402563541?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_CDPlayerSeparates&hash=item3f30da77d5
Fab player at a great price.
walpurgis
05-03-2014, 10:28
Ulitmately, depending on budget, If you have a DAC I'd be looking at a Meridian 500 Mk.II transport or if you want an integrated player, a Meridian 507. Both are built like battleships and Meridian players always sound lovely (I'm using a 507 and a 206 amongst others). Alternatively, with a bit more cash a Wadia should be great.
Mr Kipling
05-03-2014, 12:25
Why not go for the 1300? Said to be less finicky with discs than the 1200.
Why not go for the 1300? Said to be less finicky with discs than the 1200.
One for sale anywhere?
Mr Kipling
05-03-2014, 18:25
Having a bit ferret about it seems it was available only in the US and so not what you would call common. There is one on ebay.com for under $500 but ships only in the US. And you would need a stepdown transformer, so not really an option. Is the 1200 not very reliable?
istari_knight
05-03-2014, 18:30
Problem is all these Jap "battleships" are on their last legs with no spare parts available when the inevitable happens. Something like a Naim CDX is a very respectable machine, British designed/manufactured & they still service them IIRC ? Also it'll hold its value very well.
If having a hernia is what you are about, try this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Top-End-Professional-Studio-ASC-Version-Technics-SL-P1200-CD-Player-Deck-RC-/191082833844?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_CDPlayerSeparates&hash=item2c7d6ca7b4 :)
I had one for a while - not arf bad... and less than a monkey.
P
Mr Kipling
05-03-2014, 19:04
Dont rub it in James!
And what's going on with Royal Mail? Waiting days for First Class post. Just not on!
The one to get out of this series is the CD12LE. Two box player looks similar to 95. Problem with all these is lack of spare laser/transports. There was even an expensive KI mod for the LE a few years later. Think Ken Kessler had one.
But alas at a crazy price and then becomes two boxes (think it's supposed to be a one box criteria to cut down on the box count) .
How about a Micromega top loader with the big acrylic lid? Never quite sure on the names, Trio, Duo... which is a transport, which a player? OK, maybe none! Think they're all 3 or 2 box players.
I think it's actually an odd amount to spend..
Hard to think of anything which isn't in the usual group of recommendations (top Sonys, Pioneer Elites etc) and also within the £500 for a heavy build player.
I had a Revox C221 which was very nice ~ £450. Won't get a Studer D731 or anything with that build for so little though.. The Luxman wedge player (500x?) again is nearer £1000.
Players after the some time in the 90s tended to either go down in weight and build quality or keep the build and weight but go upwards in price exponentially...
There are some hard to find Denon flagships, Teac S1x, a nice Kenwood flagship.. (probably findable on vintageknob).
Floyddroid
05-03-2014, 22:08
Got to agree with James. The Technics as great as it may seem, may only be a few years or months away from being a static display. It does have a very masculine appeal but compared to some modern high end options on the the cheaper side like Shanling et al it is probably shit.:)
The Barbarian
05-03-2014, 22:15
What about this.. one of mi old Mission 'DAD7000R' CDP's indestructable, weighs a ton, TOC Simplicity {in orange too}, dead slow loading & reading.. sounds great tho
:D
oops forgot they aint fer sale..
http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w425/ELPFAN1968/DAD7000R.jpg (http://s1075.photobucket.com/user/ELPFAN1968/media/DAD7000R.jpg.html)
oops forgot they aint fer sale..
They come up fairly often on ebay.. so plenty for sale.
Problem is all these Jap "battleships" are on their last legs with no spare parts available when the inevitable happens. Something like a Naim CDX is a very respectable machine, British designed/manufactured & they still service them IIRC ? Also it'll hold its value very well.
Yes and no...
People are funny with CD players and apply completely different logic than they do to other bits of electronics. So something doesn't power up you'd normally check the power supply and then perhaps a control circuit. The laser doesn't power on and suddenly those rules don't apply and the whole thing gets chucked (or first the mech is chucked and it still doesn't work after a new one has been found at great expense).
It really depends on the specific mech to be honest - there are some bad ones but most seem to be alright and you find bad caps in laser power supplies go first, just the same as caps go elsewhere.
Then the Naim's transport, a VAM 1205 or Philips CDM12 are notoriously unreliable and will be on their way out in many cases having not lasted even a third as long as those in the Jap battleships..
It's a bit like the difference between owning a really nice classic car or settling for something more common and recent and even a little less reliable because parts are easier to source. Each to their own really on that score!
Mr Kipling
06-03-2014, 07:53
Just wanted to say that what James said could apply to any amount of gear that's nigh-on 30 year old.
At least two here have 1200s and seem more than happy with it. One has thee so there must be some aspect to their sound quality that appeals.
jandl100
06-03-2014, 07:57
I've just picked up a Technics SL-P1200 in good nick. See my today's Gallery thread postings.
I can tell you it leaves most modern CDPs in the dust in terms of sound quality. :)
Mr Kipling
06-03-2014, 08:04
If you spot another - let me know!
Still pondering this. I already have an SLP1200 that has decided to stop working. They really are not shit - it is by far the best player I have owned or heard - when it's working. They do seem to be be approaching retirement age which is why I am debating buying another or going for something different.
istari_knight
06-03-2014, 12:07
Just wanted to say that what James said could apply to any amount of gear that's nigh-on 30 year old.
At least two here have 1200s and seem more than happy with it. One has thee so there must be some aspect to their sound quality that appeals.
Of course, if you have such then enjoy it. I was just trying to show the flip side of the coin... If it were my monkey it wouldn't be going anywhere near 80's digital tech.
istari_knight
06-03-2014, 12:53
I have both a 'SL-P770' & 'SL-P1000' machines neither are really heavy weight, look nice sound ok but inside i try to forget i ever clamp eyes on.. i cannot see the 'SL-P1200' being any different internally tbh..
The DAC/Analogue sections are identical in 1000 & 1200 but the 1200 has larger reservoir capacitors.
I have both a 'SL-P770' & 'SL-P1000' machines neither are really heavy weight, look nice sound ok but inside i try to forget i ever clamp eyes on.. i cannot see the 'SL-P1200' being any different internally tbh..
I have an SLP770 and it is nothing like as good as the SLP1200. I have no idea why. Power supplies possibly. And it skips like a little girl.
Really? if it is just the rails I might give that a go then.
I'm still confounded as to where to go with this CD player. I'm using a Samsung Blu ray player as a stopgap at the moment.
Listening tomy big denon at the moment and have to say it sounds marvelous....a steal at 100 notes nos
Mr Kipling
06-03-2014, 23:40
Still pondering this. I already have an SLP1200 that has decided to stop working. They really are not shit - it is by far the best player I have owned or heard - when it's working. They do seem to be be approaching retirement age which is why I am debating buying another or going for something different.
Is it not reading discs?
There were some good battleship Denons out there but alas mostly Japan only..
If it were my monkey it wouldn't be going anywhere near 80's digital tech.
Aaaah, a little monkey. If it were my monkey I think I'd be giving it more natural things like branches and coconut shells to play with.
Is it not reading discs?
reads the disc, puts up the track numbers, but then just keeps on clicking and spinning and won't play.
I have a nad cd/dvd player that does that.....had it for years and was fine and gave it to the wife as a dvd player and she knackered it in 3 months....darn good cd player it was too...
Aaaah, a little monkey. If it were my monkey I think I'd be giving it more natural things like branches and coconut shells to play with.
Until you came home one day to find it had gone schitz, shat everywhwere and trashed your house. At which point you would strangle the little fecker. I know a few people who have had bad experiences with monkeys, my advice is best leave them.
Thanks I do fancy a Pioneer PD91 having lusted after one for twenty odd years.
I owned one of those. Lovely machine.
If having a hernia is what you are about, try this
Damn, I couldn't resist. SOLD!
Damn, I couldn't resist. SOLD!
:youtheman:
Enjoy!
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Damn, I couldn't resist. SOLD!
You might be putting your Ayre up for sale next week...
...just the slight problem of what I'd play my SACDs and DVD-As on! Anyway, let's not get ahead of ourselves, the Ayre isn't a Stereophile class A+ component for nothing. Let battle commence. I'm really looking forward to playing with the Technics (it'll look nice sat next to its kindred SL-1210).
Let us know how you get on with it Martin
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