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Dominic Harper
20-01-2014, 10:12
Hi Guys, we are having a get together on the 1st and 2nd of Feb. One becuse it my birthday and I am turning 21 (no laughing please) and 2, I thought it would be a good chance to have a listen to some old kit, new kit and test some stuff laying about :eyebrows:. Anyway, if any of you guys are up for it let us know via the forum or you can email us at northwestanalogue@hotmail.co.uk, what day you would like to attend and what hifi you will be bringing if any. My house can take around 10 to 12 people and I will provide food, as well as some cool music;).
Looking forward to seeing some old face and new faces.
Natalie and Dom
NWA
10-12 people is that all, two fat bastards like me and Nick will fill it then...:lol::lol::lol::lol:
I should be there on the Saturday. Is it a pyjama party? Just so I know whether or not to pack my pink dressing gown... :eyebrows:
Marco.
Ali Tait
20-01-2014, 17:26
And matching slippers..
Big Vern
20-01-2014, 20:16
Hi Dom,
If I can put in a bid for the Saturday, but I need to confirm my leave...hope this is in order
Best Wishes,
Paul
Dominic Harper
20-01-2014, 22:42
List so far for Saturday if I have read correctly-
Dave (Brooksy)
Nick
Paul (Bigverne)
Marco
List so far for Saturday if I have read correctly-
Dave (Brooksy)
Nick
Paul (Bigverne)
Marco
M+S for the scran please :lol:
Or Dominos like my fest :)
Dominic Harper
20-01-2014, 23:10
Natalie is already planning a homemade stew/broth concoction plus other stuff. Im kinda put it in front of me and Ill eat it lol.
Excellent. Home-made food is always best, and I know that Natalie is a good cook! :) Would you like me to bring some of Del's home-made Tiramisu for dessert? It's yummy!!
Brooksy (el dafto), do you live on takeaways and supermarket meals - does no-one cook at Brook towers?
Marco.
Greg2010
23-01-2014, 06:24
Hi Dom, if Saturday isn't full I'd like to come along.....
Regards
Greg
Anybody else?
Come on guys!
Are we all still going, then? I'm aiming to be there sometime between 11-12noon :)
Are you bringing any kit, daftee? :cool:
Marco.
Excellent. Home-made food is always best, and I know that Natalie is a good cook! :) Would you like me to bring some of Del's home-made Tiramisu for dessert? It's yummy!!
Brooksy (el dafto), do you live on takeaways and supermarket meals - does no-one cook at Brook towers?
Marco.
He is too busy.:)
Dominic Harper
02-02-2014, 01:50
Big thank you to Marco, Dave, Nick, Paul, Greg and Shaun who attended.
I hope you all had as much fun as Natalie and I did.
Big thank you to Marco, Dave, Nick, Paul, Greg and Shaun who attended.
I hope you all had as much fun as Natalie and I did.
We need piccies:eek:.
The Barbarian
02-02-2014, 08:51
Don't forget the Deodorant guys
As it is Chinese New Year, Del and I decided to spend the day in Liverpool's Chinatown, having lunch and enjoying the rather spectacular festivities (took lots of pics), so there hasn't been enough time to comment on the excellent day I had yesterday at NWA towers. I will remedy that tomorrow.
However, in the meantime, I'd just like to say a big thanks to Dom and Natalie for their superb hospitality (as usual), especially the effort Natalie and her friend put into providing a delicious home-cooked meal :)
It was a fun day, with good craic, and much was learned as usual. It was great to meet not only the hosts again, but also Brooky, Nick, Greg, Shaun, and the other big chap (whose name escapes me), sorry! :doh:
Anyway, I'll post some thoughts on the sesh we all had later :cool:
Marco.
Greg2010
02-02-2014, 22:32
Thanks to Dom and Nat for a very entertaining day and the good food (as always).
Good to meet up with Shaun, Marco, Nick, Dave and Paul.
One revealing combination of the day was Marco's turntable and Dom's new MC cart, a good partnership indeed, surprising bass from a nine inch arm. I don't think the techy will get better than that..........or maybe there's more to come.
Greg
Hi Greg,
It was nice meeting you again. I'm glad that you liked the Techy. It's always reassuring obtaining unbiased confirmation from others that modifications to your turntable have taken it in the right direction since they last heard it, especially when used in an (albeit excellent) but alien system :)
I have to say that your EL-84 based power amp sounded stunning (and I don't use that word lightly), reminding me somewhat of the style of musical presentation I obtain at home from my Copper amp. Your power amp remained in the system all day and never put a foot wrong. If I were you, I wouldn't ever sell it, as to improve on it, sonically, would be a rather difficult task. For me, you can put that area of your system to bed.
In all honesty, that amp of yours is, sonically, as good as (or most probably better) than most of what the likes of AudioNote produce, at a fraction of the price. Yes, you can tell that I was rather impressed!! :eyebrows:
One revealing combination of the day was Marco's turntable and Dom's new MC cart, a good partnership indeed...
I have to say that I was equally as impressed with Dom's new, bespoke-made, MC cartridge: the DH1. Unfortunately on the day, his SME-based 12" arm, as you know, was rather ill, and so wasn't sounding its best on the Garrard. I could certainly hear more than a few hints of greatness when it was used there, but unfortunately, due to the arm having an 'off day' (suffering from hum issues, etc), it was difficult for me to enjoy the undoubted talents of the cartridge in that context.
However, that certainly changed when Dom fitted it to the Techy! :eek:
What Dom has created with the DH1 is quite remarkable, as it's the first genuinely high-end MC design I've heard that gets the balance spot-on between analysis and musicality. It is special because it achieves the former, forensically, without a hint of sterility, whilst delivering the latter with abundance - and in a way which not only makes music a joy to listen to, but which to my ears, recreates realism on every record graced by its stylus.
In terms of high-frequency resolution and extension, IMO, it has few peers (if any), as the bespoke and exotic (but highly effective) combination of its constituent parts, from the generator through to its stylus profile, combine to create crystalline-sounding highs which, seemingly, extend into infinity and imbue all music with a beguiling sense of air and space, producing a convincing illusion that one is not listening merely to a mass-produced recording on a round piece of plastic, but the sound of the actual master tape.
Its seemingly unbridled high-frequency headroom , gives the DH1 an 'effortless' quality, which not only is magical to hear, but succeeds in subsequently, and rather advantageously, influencing the lower frequencies. This allows the midrange in particular to 'breathe' and exhibit a spine-tingling lifelike quality, creating an effect with voices in particular that renders them as almost living entities, rather than simply as musical information embedded into record grooves.
All of the above, together with bass that is sublimely tuneful, textured and 'organic' in nature, yet when required, thunders through with near subwoofer-like intensity, underpins all genres of music with an authority that transcends the experience of merely listening to recorded music on a hi-fi system, into something more tangible, believable and real. This is [I]genuine accuracy, folks - musical accuracy - not simply that derived from achieving notionally perfect technical results on a spec sheet - and no other cartridge I've heard to date gets it so fundamentally right.
Some may baulk at the £5k price tag (and I myself was sceptical), but when you consider that this cartridge has been voiced by ear and meticulously fine-tuned and hand-crafted by an artisan, over 100s of hours, using the finest materials possible, and crucially in an optimal combination, which not only gets it so correct technically on almost every level, but also exists as a shining example of the designer's ability to make recorded music actually sound like MUSIC, then perhaps that is the price one must pay to obtain near perfection from vinyl replay?
Therefore, in due course, I hope that this exemplary music-maker makes it into plenty of hands belonging to those who can afford it, and who most importantly, deserve to own it. If the DH1 can reach the right customers, who appreciate its unique talents, then I predict that its future is destined for greatness.
The world has shown us the mastery of Sugano-san, however gentlemen, I now salute the birth of our very own Dom-san! :youtheman:
Marco.
So, have you placed an order then Marco?
Firebottle
03-02-2014, 13:26
Doms cart does sound as if it's a stunner from the reports :)
As a point of comparison how much do the best cutting heads cost?
They must be exemplary quality to form such a good source in the first place.
:cool: Alan
Johnnie7
03-02-2014, 14:02
sorry i could not come down...would have loved it esp the home baking :)
would loved to have heard it in marcos techie deck!!
from the short time i had to play with it ....its a dam good cartridge !!!
Dominic Harper
03-02-2014, 14:26
I am lost for words to be honest as this point, except thank you so much Marco, Greg and Johnnie.
Ali Tait
03-02-2014, 16:08
What was the EL84 amp?
So, have you placed an order then Marco?
Lol... I'd love to, but sadly I have other priorities at the moment. It really is superb, though, Mark, and deserves proper recognition in the right quarters. I believe that the DH1 is a genuine game-changer, and if promoted and sold in the right way, could easily find the appropriate high-end buyers.
Marco.
What was the EL84 amp?
You'll have to ask Greg, dude. Trust me, though, it is fab!
Marco.
Greg2010
03-02-2014, 17:41
What was the EL84 amp?
15w pp
http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab152/greg2010_1/el84004.jpg (http://s859.photobucket.com/user/greg2010_1/media/el84004.jpg.html)
Regards
Greg
Interstage transformers? They often work so much better than a valve based phase splitter.
Ali Tait
03-02-2014, 17:47
Nice. DIY? What circuit?
I am lost for words to be honest as this point, except thank you so much Marco, Greg and Johnnie.
You're welcome, dude. It merits every word that I wrote!
So where's Brooksy with some pics of the DH1, fitted to my Techy? :)
Marco.
Greg2010
03-02-2014, 18:34
Nice. DIY? What circuit?
I'm sure you'll have come across it before Ali, it's very similar to the KEL84 I'll post you the schematic if you wish.
http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab152/greg2010_1/031.jpg (http://s859.photobucket.com/user/greg2010_1/media/031.jpg.html)
Regards
Greg
Ali Tait
03-02-2014, 18:36
Yes please.
Firebottle
03-02-2014, 18:56
Yes please also.
I'll pm my address.
Cheers,
Alan
I am lost for words to be honest as this point, except thank you so much Marco, Greg and Johnnie.
It is a good cartridge, as befits a statement piece it is ruthlessly revealing of crappy vinyl pressings, but if you get it right it feels like you could dive into the speakers it's so realistic!
Oh yes, we were all having so much fun only me remembered to take some piccies
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/themainsman/TECH/IMAG0216_zps3d61c2e4.jpg
Well, your surname certainly isn't Bailey, that's for sure, lol... I'd stick to selling cables! ;)
Marco.
sorry i could not come down...would have loved it esp the home baking...
would loved to have heard it in marcos techie deck!!
Yup, Johnnie, pity you couldn't make it down, dude - would've been nice to have seen you again :)
You certainly missed out on what was probably one of the most amazing sounds I've experienced from vinyl replay, with the DH1 at the helm.
Playing a 45 RPM half-speed mastered version of Doug MacLeod's 'There's a Time', on 200g vinyl (which is probably one of the finest recordings I've heard of any type), produced a musical experience that was simply mesmerising...
It's certainly not an experience that I'll forget in a hurry!!
Marco.
Wakefield Turntables
04-02-2014, 10:27
So are you buying one then?
Mark's already asked me that question, daftee, which I've replied to! :)
See post #25.
Marco.
anthonyTD
04-02-2014, 10:53
It would seem a good day was had by all. :)
Excellent review on the Cartridge Marco, however, it doesn't surprise me that Dom's efforts paid off big time, Going on the conversations i have had with him, he is a perfectionist, and would not settle for anything less than greatness.
I really hope he gets the recognition, and just as important, the sales his products deserve.
Well done too to Greg for his efforts on the amplification side, its design and performance was an obvious winner on the day.
Anthony,TD...
Wakefield Turntables
04-02-2014, 11:30
Doh!
Yup, Johnnie, pity you couldn't make it down, dude - would've been nice to have seen you again :)
You certainly missed out on what was probably one of the most amazing sounds I've experienced from vinyl replay, with the DH1 at the helm.
Playing a 45 RPM half-speed mastered version of Doug MacLeod's 'There's a Time', on 200g vinyl (which is probably one of the finest recordings I've heard of any type), produced a musical experience that was simply mesmerising...
It's certainly not an experience that I'll forget in a hurry!!
Marco.
Ordered 2 copies today, may even get the Techie out of storage and put my DH4 on it, Jelco have a super charged arm on the market shortly which I have on order and a rather special headshell, can't wait.
Dominic Harper
04-02-2014, 17:54
Yes I have ordered a copy too. Extraordinary LP. Totally agree with Marco that it is possibly the best recording I have heard, regardless of genre.
I will be purchasing other RR label LP's.
That LP was such a delight on your Techy Marco, with the DH1. I had my doubts regarding the expense of your Ortofon arm when you first fitted it, but they were disspelled on hearing the Techy on Saturday. It is a truely inspiring turntable now. I still adore the 401 in slate, but just goes to show how good a well sorted 1210 can be.
Glad you enjoyed listening to the Techy, Dom. I'm really happy with it now and doubt I'll be taking it much further. The Mike New platter was the icing on the cake, and has really improved its ability to add musical insight.
The Ortofon arm is a very neutral sounding device, and in my experience, simply allows the partnering cartridge to shine, which I'm sure you'll agree was both the case with the DH1 and SPU :)
I really hope that you do well with the DH1, and that it gets the recognition it deserves, as you have created something truly special.
Marco.
Ali Tait
04-02-2014, 19:34
Ordered 2 copies today, may even get the Techie out of storage and put my DH4 on it, Jelco have a super charged arm on the market shortly which I have on order and a rather special headshell, can't wait.
What's the new Jelco arm then?
Yes I have ordered a copy too. Extraordinary LP. Totally agree with Marco that it is possibly the best recording I have heard, regardless of genre.
I will be purchasing other RR label LP's.
That LP was such a delight on your Techy Marco, with the DH1. I had my doubts regarding the expense of your Ortofon arm when you first fitted it, but they were disspelled on hearing the Techy on Saturday. It is a truely inspiring turntable now. I still adore the 401 in slate, but just goes to show how good a well sorted 1210 can be.
Techy praise Dom? What's happening? :)
The only thing that needs doing to Marcos pride and joy is a good dust and some black isonoe feet, oh and a decent cartridge :lol:
Seriously it is a splendid device and a firm 2 fingers up to all who take the piss out of Techy's and the amount of up-grades people do.
What's the new Jelco arm then?
AFAIK it's a 750 arm with pure silver wiring, and they have designed a premium headshell which will sell on it's own, reported direct from Jelco HQ in Japan.
I placed an order straight away!
Yes I have ordered a copy too. Extraordinary LP. Totally agree with Marco that it is possibly the best recording I have heard, regardless of genre.
I will be purchasing other RR label LP's.
Yes, those 45rpm Reference Recordings are good. I have some:
Berlioz – ‘Symphonie Fantastique’ (RR-11)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91ZIEwAjskL._SL1500_.jpg
'Dafos' (RR-12)
http://www.deaddisc.com/images/Dafos.jpg
Now this is a real test record designed to test out your system. There is one track where Grateful Dead’s Mickey Hart picks up a drum and throws it down to the ground; there are not many systems that can easily cope and correctly reproduce the crash.
But despite that, I would be reluctant to say any recording is the best ever in any genre.
Dominic Harper
04-02-2014, 21:03
Please note the phrase 'I have heard'
Im sure there are many more gems I hope I will get to hear throughout my lifetime.
Ali Tait
04-02-2014, 21:08
AFAIK it's a 750 arm with pure silver wiring, and they have designed a premium headshell which will sell on it's own, reported direct from Jelco HQ in Japan.
I placed an order straight away!
Sounds good, let me know how it sounds.
Hi Ali,
Did you see my reply here, regarding arm geometry: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?30610-Free-cartridge-upgrade-it-works-plus-Jelco-750-alignment-info&p=523289#post523289
:)
Marco.
P.S Barry, I've noted those recordings for future buying reference - cheers!
Ali Tait
04-02-2014, 21:37
No missed it, cheers for the heads up.
Dominic Harper
04-02-2014, 22:07
Just for your info, I did set up the DH1 to Baerwald in your Techy Marco.
The arm Marco uses is the Ortofon AS-212S : http://www.ortofon.com/products/historical-products/as-212s; a now discontinued product.
From the above link it can be seen the arm has an effective length of 231mm, with an offset angle of 22° and overhang of 15mm. The recommended radial null points are 58.5mm and 114.5mm.
Curiously this geometry corresponds to neither Baerwald, Löfgren nor to that of Stevenson. Using the equations quoted in http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?20109-Tonearm-alignment, we can calculate the following: -
For Baerwald (IEC) geometry: offset angle = 23.86°, overhang = 17.97mm and the radial null points are at 66.0 and 120.9mm,
for Baerwald (DIN) geometry: offset angle = 23.28°, overhang = 16.31mm and the radial null points are at 63.1 and 119.2mm.
For Löfgren (IEC) geometry: offset angle = 23.86°, the overhang = 18.48mm and the radial null points are at 70.3 and 116.6mm,
for Löfgren (DIN) geometry: offset angle = 23.28°, the overhang = 17.42mm and the radial null points are at 67.4 and 114.9mm.
And finally for Stevenson: the offset angle is 22.57°, the overhang = 15.8mm and the null points are at 60.33mm and 117.0mm.
Comparing the latter figures with those quoted by the manufacturer, it can be seen that the arm geometry is closest to that of Stevenson. The manufacturer’s recommended null points are correct given the arm geometry, but do not correspond to the Baerwald values as used on most alignment protractors.
So whilst it would seem Ortofon have chosen their own geometry, the arm/cartridge alignment will be optimised if their recommended null points are used.
The arm Marco uses is the Ortofon AS-212S : http://www.ortofon.com/products/historical-products/as-212s; a now discontinued product.
Soz, Bazza, yer is wrong... I use an RS-212D, as shown here: http://www.ortofon.com/products/historical-products/rs-212d
The AS-212S, shown here: http://www.ortofon.com/products/historical-products/as-212s is similar, but different in that it is a "Static-Balance" design, whereas the (more expensive) RS-212D is a "Dynamic-Balance" design. It outlines briefly what that means on the Ortofon website, but whether the difference is audible, I'm not sure.
I bought the RS-212D because I liked the look of it better! :) Here are both the 9 and 12-inch versions (the 'RS/D' designs, shown below, just look more 'solid' than their 'AS/S' counterparts):
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8646/rs212d309db.jpg
I agree with your calculations, and have always found that Japanese arms perform optimally when set-up for Stevenson.
Marco.
Just for your info, I did set up the DH1 to Baerwald in your Techy Marco.
Yup, and of course, it sounded superb. However, one wonders how much 'more superb' it would've sounded, had it been set up for Stevenson, in order to align with the geometry that was used to set up the arm? ;)
Marco.
Dominic Harper
05-02-2014, 12:07
My personal preference is Baerwald, but when using a SPU you are limited because of lack of adjustment at the headshell, ie you cannot adjust overhang or offset. You then need to rely on the manufacturers recommendation for spindle/pivot distance in relation to tip to pivot distance, plus arm geometry (off set designed into the arm wand).
If a cartridge and headshell are employed which has some adjustability( headshell slots ) then most alignment variations can be investigated and prefered one employed.
There are no rights or wrongs here, just personal preferences.
Dominic Harper
05-02-2014, 12:10
I agree with this IF the arm is using a cart such as the SPU where no adjustments can be made, but also refer to my other statement about personal preference.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8646/rs212d309db.jpg
I agree with your calculations, and have always found that Japanese arms perform optimally when set-up for Stevenson.
Marco.
My personal preference is Baerwald, but when using a SPU you are limited because of lack of adjustment at the headshell, ie you cannot adjust overhang or offset. You then need to rely on the manufacturers recommendation for spindle/pivot distance in relation to tip to pivot distance, plus arm geometry (off set designed into the arm wand).
If a cartridge and headshell are employed which has some adjustability( headshell slots ) then most alignment variations can be employed and prefered one employed.
There are no rights or wrongs here, just personal preferences.
I absolutely agree. However, as I tend to use Japanese arms, exclusively, my own personal experience has shown that adopting Stevenson geometry is preferable, even with a DL-103 at the helm (fitted to a headshell with slots in it)...
Much depends at which point on the record (beginning, middle or end of side) you wish to minimise distortion the most, which is largely the point of having the various geometry options :)
Marco.
Soz, Bazza, yer is wrong... I use an RS-212D, as shown here: http://www.ortofon.com/products/historical-products/rs-212d
The AS-212S, shown here: http://www.ortofon.com/products/historical-products/as-212s is similar, but different in that it is a "Static-Balance" design, whereas the (more expensive) RS-212D is a "Dynamic-Balance" design. It outlines briefly what that means on the Ortofon website, but whether the difference is audible, I'm not sure.
I bought the RS-212D because I liked the look of it better! :) Here are both the 9 and 12-inch versions (the 'RS/D' designs, shown below, just look more 'solid' than their 'AS/S' counterparts):
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8646/rs212d309db.jpg
I agree with your calculations, and have always found that Japanese arms perform optimally when set-up for Stevenson.
Marco.
Sorry Marco, the two arms look similar with the 'cube-shaped' bearing housing. Personally, I prefer static balanced arms as these do not use springs which can ring. As long as the TT is level and one's records are flat, there is no real advantage to dynamic balancing.
But I digress, both the RS 212 and AS-212 have identical geometry. To realise the optimum performance, the arm must be set up so that the radial null-points are at 58.5mm and 114.5mm. I assume Ortofon supply a protractor with these null-points marked.
If you try to set the arm up according to Baerwald you will have to skew the cartridge in the headshell by ~ 1.5 degree, as well as increase the overhang by ~3mm.
Ortofon/Jelco designed the arm to have a particular geometry which does not correspond to either Baerwald or Stevenson. There is nothing wrong with this, it's just to set the arm up as designed, you can't use arm alignment protractors that are marked with either the Baerwald or Stevenson null-points. The errors in doing so are small, and probably inaudable - but if you are going to do the job, you may as well do it properly. As one supermarket says: "every little bit helps".
Sorry Marco, the two arms look similar with the 'cube-shaped' bearing housing. Personally, I prefer static balanced arms as these do not use springs which can ring. As long as the TT is level and one's records are flat, there is no real advantage to dynamic balancing.
Sure, however, I preferred the look of the 212-D, which also came with a much better reputation, based on the reviews I read, and so I have no reason to regret my choice :)
If you go onto the Vinyl Engine site and search for the thread entitled "Best Tonearm For TD-124", you'll see an interesting discussion on the subject, where both Ortofon arms are mentioned. Unfortunately, direct links to VE don't work on AoS, so you'll have to do it manually.
But I digress, both the RS 212 and AS-212 have identical geometry. To realise the optimum performance, the arm must be set up so that the radial null-points are at 58.5mm and 114.5mm. I assume Ortofon supply a protractor with these null-points marked.
If you try to set the arm up according to Baerwald you will have to skew the cartridge in the headshell by ~ 1.5 degree, as well as increase the overhang by ~3mm.
Ortofon/Jelco designed the arm to have a particular geometry which does not correspond to either Baerwald or Stevenson. There is nothing wrong with this, it's just to set the arm up as designed, you can't use arm alignment protractors that are marked with either the Baerwald or Stevenson null-points..
The errors in doing so are small, and probably inaudable - but if you are going to do the job, you may as well do it properly. As one supermarket says: "every little bit helps".
Yup, although the geometry corresponds more to Stevenson than Baerwald. My arm was set-up according to the null points marked on the supplied protractor, so all is spot on! :cool:
Marco.
Btw, as a small aside (this is aimed at Dom), I forgot to mention that when I set my T/T back up again at home, I noticed that you'd left the anti-skating on my arm set at between the 2 and 2.5 mark (obviously when we were using the DH1), and the VTF was set (somewhat bizarrely) at 2.8g.
My SPU needs 3 on the anti-skate, together with 3g VTF, in order to perform optimally... Whilst the SPU sounded pretty good, when we were listening to it at the end before I went, it wasn't fully optimised. Furthermore, when we listened to the Paul Hynes head amp for the second time (which phase-inverts the signal), we forgot to reverse the polarity of your speaker cables...! ;)
I was wondering why, although I really like your phono stage, I preferred it the first time with the PH head amp in circuit (when the speaker cable polarity was reversed), and the second time on its own (when the cables hadn't been reversed, to compensate for the phase-inverting)... The PH unit sounds markedly better in the former configuration.
Anyway, we can revisit that one next time, when I'll bring both my Croft preamp and TD Copper amp along, and see what they do! :cool:
Marco.
Dominic Harper
08-02-2014, 14:51
It was a chaotic day Marco, and when the SPU was in I did set the bias to 3 I believe. My own cart likes a little less than the downforce would suggest, so the bias was adjusted numerous times. To be honest even my own cart wasnt set up optimally given the time and people here. It was more of a throw it in and lets see what it sounds like kinda day.
Yup, sure - totally agree. I just thought that I'd mention it. It was the PH head amp more than anything, as I was puzzled why it didn't sound as good the second time around, so it's useful when you can work out why :)
Marco.
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