Record Weight on a Techie

[CableMaker1]

What is the consensus of experience here with using a Record Weight or a Record Puck on a Technics TT? I plan to use a weight of <400 grams made of aluminum. I am looking for a weight that does not suck the life out of a record. Does using a record weight take away the life of the record or does it keep it while help mitigating warps? Does the weight and type of material matter when trying to retain the life of a record when using a record weight?

On one turntable, I have the Mike New AL/CU Copper Platter with Achromat mat using an SME V, and the stock platter with copper mat (my avatar) on another (that one uses the SME 309). Both TTs use the Mike New Bearing and Baseplate.

CM1

[DaveK]

I seem to recall that Jerry (jandl100) held a mini bake off using different weights on a TT (can't remember which TT) and the heaviest, just short of 800grms IIRC, was deemed to be the best, SQ wise. I use a Mitchell record clamp, much lighter in weight (so very little extra weight on the bearing) but firmly locates the LP on my Techie platter.
I thought the improvement over and above the use of the 800grm weight was quite noticeable.
Dave.

[Andrei]

I use a Mitchell record clamp, much lighter in weight (so very little extra weight on the bearing) but firmly locates the LP on my Techie platter.
I thought the improvement over and above the use of the 800grm weight.
Dave.
Very pleased to hear that Dave! I have ordered a Michel that will arrive soon. The reason I have done that is than I consider large weight on the bearing to be a bad thing - though people with heavy weights do not seem to report problems.

[Stratmangler]

Michel clamp user here too.

[MartinT]

For <400g weight, the aluminium Bruil is a bargain.

[Marco]

+1. The Bruil weight makes for a rather musically satisfying sound on the Techy. Personally, I don't usually like anything heavier (as it tends to cause a somewhat 'thick' and ponderous sound), although for the short time I heard your Stillpoints, it didn't seem to be doing anything much wrong :)

Marco.

[The Grand Wazoo]

..... a Mitchell....

....Michel.....

....Michel....

I don't normally point out spelling errors, but three of you in a row and you're all owners of Michell products too! It's got to be some sort of record.

[Stratmangler]

I don't normally point out spelling errors, but three of you in a row and you're all owners of Michell products too! It's got to be some sort of record.

I pressed the "L" button twice.
One of the presses was obviously not sufficient to register :ner:

[PaulStewart]

It's got to be some sort of record.

No surely the Michell is the clamp and the record is the thing being clamped :sofa:

Did I really make that joke? Sorry.......

[CableMaker1]

+1. The Bruil weight makes for a rather musically satisfying sound on the Techy. Personally, I don't usually like anything heavier (as it tends to cause a somewhat 'thick' and ponderous sound), although for the short time I heard your Stillpoints, it didn't seem to be doing anything much wrong :)


Marco -

Did you get a chance to compare the Bruil with the Michel Record Weight? If so, what are your thoughts?

And did you get my PM I sent to you the other day?

[keiron99]

What is the point of clamps?

[Ammonite Audio]

I recommend the KAB Super Record Grip - see http://www.kabusa.com/usagrip.htm . It's relatively inexpensive at $40, lightweight and I like what it does on my TD-124 and Kenwood DD decks; however I don't have a Technics.

[MartinT]

What is the point of clamps?

To hold the record down against the mat and thus dampen resonances. To effectively bond the record to the mat/platter system for the purposes of playing it.

[Marco]

Marco -

Did you get a chance to compare the Bruil with the Michel Record Weight? If so, what are your thoughts?

And did you get my PM I sent to you the other day?

Hi Mike,

Yes on the latter - not had a chance to reply to it yet, but will do later today :)

Yes, I've used both the Bruil and Michell clamp, and whilst I liked the latter, I felt that the Bruil produced the better results. The Michell clamp, I feel, (unsurprisingly) produces its best results on Michell T/Ts, where the whole design system works 'as one'.

I've also tried other clamps with the Technics and results have been less than inspiring. My view is that record weights are likely to be more effective on the Technics, but not ones too high in mass. The Bruil weight does pretty much everything that it says on the tin, and isn't stupidly priced:

http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/puck.html

Marco.

[Marco]

Interesting explanation here, from Michell, on the design principles of their clamp (and platter):

http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk/design/platter-and-clamp/

Note in particular:


Michell turntables clamp the record to a hard platter. This flattens out warps, and it also couples the LP tightly to the platter so that internal resonances can be drained away from the stylus, as if the LP effectively is of a much higher thickness and rigidity. The Gyro SE and GyroDec models use a simple clamp to press down the LP record; the Orbe and Orbe SE benefit from a more advanced screw-down clamp and a washer that raises the LP at its center: under action of the clamp the record’s playable area is then very tightly pressed down onto the flat platter, right to its edges.

We make the platter from a proprietary self-damping compound of carbon/vinyl -loaded acrylic. This material closely approaches the mechanical and acoustical properties of the vinyl record itself, enhancing the coupling between both.


Observe the highlighted parts in blue... It is obvious that the clamp and platter have been designed to work in tandem with each other, in an effort to remove resonances from the playing surface. However, the coupling effect is only of benefit if the material you're coupling it to (what the platter is made from, and also the mat) is a good impedance match with the vinyl record itself.

Therefore, using a Michell clamp (or any clamp) on a T/T whose platter and/or mat haven't been optimsed for that effect is more likely to produce negative results, as effectively all you're doing is coupling the record to a sub-optimal interface, thus superimposing its adverse sonic signature onto the music signal.

What we are trying to achieve, by using a record clamp or weight is precisely what is outlined on the website, where the Bruil weight is discussed:


One important aspect of any turntable is that bearing-spindle-platter-tonearm are firmly connected in the horizontal plane . and are an entity. There should be no play, no independent movement possible, horizopntally nor vertically. This construction is crucial.


In my experience, most turntables benefit from the use of some sort of weight or clamp, and those benefits are obtained when the above goal has been successfully achieved.

However, in terms of the Technics SL-1200/1210, experience also suggests that the above goal is met more successfully with the use of a record weight than a clamp, and therefore, sonically, the results with the former are generally more positive. As ever, though, nothing is written in stone, so the key is to experiment and see what works best with your T/T! :)

Marco.

[keiron99]

Anyone any experience with the Harmonix TU-812M? A mere £2,494.99.
http://www.analogueseduction.net/record-clamps/HTU812M.html

[MartinT]

Anyone any experience with the Harmonix TU-812M? A mere £2,494.99.

Strangely enough, no!

[Wakefield Turntables]

Yes I bought one and thought it was crap, I then upgraded to one which cost £5000 and got a deeper separation of instruments, black backgrounds, etc... A very worthwhile purchase.

[MCRU]

Yes I bought one and thought it was crap, I then upgraded to one which cost £5000 and got a deeper separation of instruments, black backgrounds, etc... A very worthwhile purchase.

:lol:

I don't think anyone on AOS is stupid enough to spend that much on a record weight ! :)

[MCRU]

anyway the clearaudio cleverclamp is quite possibly the no brainer of the century for keeping the record tight against the platter or mat?

[Marco]

I'd love to have been there when the lunatic retail price of that Hamonix was calculated. I suspect that it equated to something like this...

Material costs: £200.

Labour and other expenses: £300.

Audiophile stupidity [A.K.A the 'there's one born every minute factor']: £1994.99.

Marco.

[Spectral Morn]

For <400g weight, the aluminium Bruil is a bargain.

+1 http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/puck.html

The Oyaide weight works well too.

Also worth finding a used The Universal Record Stabilizing Ring from the same guy, but it won't work on a mk5 Technics as the on off switch is fatter than a mk2. http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/ttring.html


Regards Neil

[Andrei]

:lol:

I don't think anyone on AOS is stupid enough to spend that much on a record weight ! :)
I bought exactly the same one as Rexton. It was marked at £10,000 but with 50% off.

[Wakefield Turntables]

:lol:

I don't think anyone on AOS is stupid enough to spend that much on a record weight ! :)

Drat my clever ruse has been foiled. :(


I bought exactly the same one as Rexton. It was marked at £10,000 but with 50% off.

:lol: did you get the same improvements as I just described?

In all honesty I use a michell. Its cheap, cheerful and does the job.

[jostber]

I use the Furutech Monza for my Techie. Looks and sounds great. :)

http://www.furutech.com/2013/02/03/1631/

[keiron99]

I use the Furutech Monza for my Techie. Looks and sounds great. :)

http://www.furutech.com/2013/02/03/1631/

£476?! Am I reading right?

[CableMaker1]

£476?! Am I reading right?

I remember that record weight being $300 US a couple of years ago.

[CableMaker1]

Anyone have any experience using these beautiful turntable weights from Kridon at Plinth Design:



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Record-weight-Puck-Stabilizer-Plattengewicht-Mirror-Polished-450g-/141158074229?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item20ddad4775

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Record-Weight-Puck-Record-Stabilizer-Plattengewicht-Cylindrical-Design-432g-/141158071849?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item20ddad3e29

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Record-weight-Puck-Stabilizer-Plattengewicht-Mirror-Polished-340g-/141162759442?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item20ddf4c512

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Record-weight-Puck-Stabilizer-Plattengewicht-/141150156553?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item20dd347709

[worrasf]

The Bruil weight does pretty much everything that it says on the tin, and isn't stupidly priced:

http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/puck.html

Marco.

I've just emailed him to place an order.

Edit: What a nice chap - instant response to my email - order placed - £60 including p7p to UK

I find that the Clever Clamp is just too darn tight on the MN spindle and a royal PITA to take off so I'll be interested to hear what the Bruil can do.
Steve

[Qwin]

You can not look at a weight in isolation and make a universal claim one way or the other regarding its effect.
The type of platter and mat, if used, has to be taken into consideration, so what works on someone elses set up may not work on yours.

I have a platter on one of my decks with a quite a deep label recess. If I use a soft mat on this and a heavy weight it lifts the outer edge of the vinyl off the matt completely. The resulting sound is awfull as you can imagine.

So take recomendations with a pinch of salt unless they are from someone with a similar set up. You will have to find out what works for you.
As in most things one size does not fit all, see if you can borrow one to try before parting with your hard earned.

[Theo]

Oops, double post...

[Theo]

A bit OT, but have others experimented with an alternative method of clamping a disc to the platter? I'm currently using this clever '80s gizmo:

http://www.thevintageknob.org/audio_technica-AT666.html

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s106/TFP_2007/DSC_3246_zps02881541.jpg (http://s150.photobucket.com/user/TFP_2007/media/DSC_3246_zps02881541.jpg.html)

I posted my initial findings in the Gallery section. It seems to me that it's a clever way of fully securing a vinyl disc to the main platter. You should make sure that both surfaces have no contaminants (I do keep my records scrupulously clean), and I'm currently loving the effect on SQ. I suspect picking one up in excellent to mint condition is hard, but given what people here are willing to pay for their clamps/mats, this must be an alternative consideration? The only thing I've used which works as well is the perimeter ring mentioned above (I wish I'd kept it too).

[CableMaker1]

You can not look at a weight in isolation and make a universal claim one way or the other regarding its effect.
The type of platter and mat, if used, has to be taken into consideration, so what works on someone elses set up may not work on yours.

I have a platter on one of my decks with a quite a deep label recess. If I use a soft mat on this and a heavy weight it lifts the outer edge of the vinyl off the matt completely. The resulting sound is awfull as you can imagine.

So take recomendations with a pinch of salt unless they are from someone with a similar set up. You will have to find out what works for you.
As in most things one size does not fit all, see if you can borrow one to try before parting with your hard earned.

In that case I would have to go with Marcos recommendation - our turntables are very similar. I have however heard only good things about the Bruil Record Weight.

[Qwin]

Theo - That really Sucks :D

[CableMaker1]

+1 http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/puck.html

The Oyaide weight works well too.

Also worth finding a used The Universal Record Stabilizing Ring from the same guy, but it won't work on a mk5 Technics as the on off switch is fatter than a mk2. http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/ttring.html


Regards Neil

I wrote to Mr. Bruil about purchasing his Record Stabilizing Ring a couple of years back. He was not manufacturing them at the time because the place he normally utilizes to machine his rings either closed up shop, or they could no longer get the exact parts that he needed to his specifications. Nor could he find a suitable machinist who could meet his specifications. Based on that information, I did not write back to him to follow up.

I would love to get my hands on his rings for my Techie. Anyone have one available for sale??? Anyone ?

[CableMaker1]

Theo -

Is that a Kenwood L-07D disguised as a Trio? It is a beautiful piece.

[Theo]

Theo - That really Sucks :D

Fnar fnar :)

[Theo]

It is indeed the Trio, so badged in the UK & Europe (I believe), and as Kenwood in the RofW

[Tarzan]

l use an Oyaide weight which works well and looks so cool as well, however if you do not want to go to that expense then the Michell clamp works brilliantly too.

[Haselsh1]

From my own personal experience I have found that a record clamp uncovers far more intricate detail in the midband than a heavy weight or puck. OK so a fancy aluminium puck looks a helluva lot nicer and more flash but I did find what I found.

[costerdock]

I picked up the Bruil and I'm pretty happy with it.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af280/costerdo/IMG_2322_zps9bbe6bab.jpg

[MartinT]

If you want to push the boat out, the Stillpoints LPI is a complex and clever design that incorporates five plates resting on internal Stillpoints which apply the weight to the record. It does sound better than my Bruil in terms of creating air and space as well as very tight bass.

http://www.krispykables.com.au/product_images/l/559/LPIstillpoints__46297_std.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2828/10922230876_3ab65ff9f0_o.jpg

[CableMaker1]

Do you use the Stillpoints LPI on the Technics SL-1200MK2? If so, what platter and bearings do you use?

The Stillpoints LPI is £440. Much more than the Oyaide record weight.

[keiron99]

Have people done blind listening tests with these clamps?

[chelsea]

I have a couple of different weights.
Can't tell any difference so don't use them.

[Marco]

Have people done blind listening tests with these clamps?

Yes, the last one I did was two Tuesdays ago. I remember it fondly.

Marco.

[CageyH]

Anybody tried a Revolver Pig 2?

[MartinT]

Do you use the Stillpoints LPI on the Technics SL-1200MK2? If so, what platter and bearings do you use?

As in my 2nd photo, Mike: SL-1200 MK2, Mike New bearing, Mike New ETP platter.

[MartinT]

Have people done blind listening tests with these clamps?

I have done sighted listening tests: I've compared Stillpoints, Bruil weights and Michell clamp.

[costerdock]

For me it is just a good idea. I have the MN bearing and there are plenty of records that I put on that do not sit all the way flat - I'll push them down and they will pop back up in place - with the weight - they stay in place. The added mass doesn't hurt either


Good luck

[keiron99]

Yes, the last one I did was two Tuesdays ago. I remember it fondly.

Marco.

:scratch:

[Marco]

It was a joke. You're not one of these blind-testing 'obsessives', are you? ;)

Marco.

[magoo]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3731/11969808916_6ff3966d20_z.jpg

HRS Record Weight - Used for several years on my SpaceDeck, now doing good work on the Technics!

[CableMaker1]

Well - after much pondering, based on Coasterdock and Marcos findings, I decided to go with the Bruil Record Weight, since Marcos Turntable mostly matches what I have.

Others I would have considered if cost were no object (but it is) - Oyaide and MartinTs recommendation - the Stillpoints LPI.

Thanks everyone!!!

CM1

[NRG]

You forgot the impedance matched and critically damped non magnetic inert metal record weight from AGKUE using dissimilar liquid metal technology. It's a true advancement in record weight design and performance, nothing comes close, trust me...

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l82/_NRG_/other/IMG_0189.jpg

[Andrei]

You forgot the impedance matched and critically damped non magnetic inert metal record weight from AGKUE using dissimilar liquid metal technology. It's a true advancement in record weight design and performance, nothing comes close, trust me...

Do you know an url?

[NRG]

...of course: http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/avery-scale-weights. Or from Any Good Kitchen Utensil Emporium. :D

[RobbieGong]

I'm sure I'm not alone in being facinated by the idea of a perithery ring for my Techie. The fact it keeps the record flat all the way across / flattening warps is very appealing. There must be something like this that is a universal fit for decks - surely ?

[Markiii]

your not alone, but I have an m5g so sounds like the one discussed won't fit?

[worrasf]

I wrote to Mr. Bruil about purchasing his Record Stabilizing Ring a couple of years back. He was not manufacturing them at the time because the place he normally utilizes to machine his rings either closed up shop, or they could no longer get the exact parts that he needed to his specifications. Nor could he find a suitable machinist who could meet his specifications. Based on that information, I did not write back to him to follow up.

I would love to get my hands on his rings for my Techie. Anyone have one available for sale??? Anyone ?

Sadly, nothing has changed regarding the Stabilizing Ring.
I've just had notification that my Bruil weight is in the post and I took the opportunity to inquire about availability (I was hoping he might have one behind a work bench) :D but this is what he had to say:

"Hello Stephen,

Today the turntable weight was sent to your address.
This is the bar code of the shipment:

XXXXXXXXXXX

It can eventually be tracked via the Royal Mail website and/or the site of http://www.post.nl


As far as the Universal Stabilizing Ring is concerned:
In 2009 the manufacturer of the stainless steel segments/parts went bankrupt
Which we found out when we wanted to order a new batch of parts.

Of course there are other manufacturers, but we stopped as the production is time consuming.
Another factor is that the RSR is a combination of steel and acrylic glued together.
And because of that there are sometimes slight differences.

We do not know if we are going to make a number of rings in the near future.
The page still figures on the soundfountain website as to inspire hobbyists.
At the same time it is there to prevent others from manufacturing the same as it is copyrighted.

Best wishes,
Rudolf.

Steve

[Theo]

Before I bought my Universal Stabilizing Ring, I looked at these:

http://www.ttweights.com/or-universal-lp.html

Most will be too deep for the standard Techy platter, but the first one should fit.

[CageyH]

Has anybody compared a Revolver Pig 2 to a Bruil?
They seem very similar in design, although the Pig 2 is a tad heavier, and looks nicer.

[Spectral Morn]

I wrote to Mr. Bruil about purchasing his Record Stabilizing Ring a couple of years back. He was not manufacturing them at the time because the place he normally utilizes to machine his rings either closed up shop, or they could no longer get the exact parts that he needed to his specifications. Nor could he find a suitable machinist who could meet his specifications. Based on that information, I did not write back to him to follow up.

I would love to get my hands on his rings for my Techie. Anyone have one available for sale??? Anyone ?

That's why I said 'used'

I was fortunate to get one on AOS but sadly it not being packed right mean't it arrived slightly damaged - not enough to return it or to affect its performance but it was disappointing as it left mint and arrived cosmetically damaged.

Thing is it won't work with a mk5 Technics as the on/off switch is chunkier than a mk 2 enough of a difference in size based on my experience that it fouled with it - something to keep in mind. Though using a higher platter might get it out of the way enough that it might work - not tried that.




Regards Neil

[Spectral Morn]

Has anybody compared a Revolver Pig 2 to a Bruil?
They seem very similar in design, although the Pig 2 is a tad heavier, and looks nicer.

Yes

Bruil sounds better in my set up.

Very different size, shape, material to the Pig 2


Regards Neil

[CageyH]

Thanks for the info. What was the difference in sound?
I was referring to the basic shape/envelope, where I think the difference is 15mm on the diameter.

Where I struggle with the whole weight thing is the difference a material makes, and what difference the shape above the contact point makes.
The laws of physics would suggest that it acts as a uniformly distributed load over the surface area of the contact.

Maybe I am completely wrong, but I am really struggling to think why I would be.
Perhaps I am thinking too much about it?

[MCRU]

Thanks for the info. What was the difference in sound?
I was referring to the basic shape/envelope, where I think the difference is 15mm on the diameter.

Where I struggle with the whole weight thing is the difference a material makes, and what difference the shape above the contact point makes.
The laws of physics would suggest that it acts as a uniformly distributed load over the surface area of the contact.

Maybe I am completely wrong, but I am really struggling to think why I would be.
Perhaps I am thinking too much about it?

Based on 20+ years of having a Technics (well I was 14 when I got my first TT) I have found 400g as the ideal weight for a record clamp/weight, I have used many of these things, to be honest a local machine shop can turn you a piece of metal
for a few quid that will do the job. There are plenty of weights on ebay for about £40 or so, my personal favourite for tweakability is the oyaide clamp as it has individual smaller wights inside that can be taken out to get the weight just right or you can swap the metal ones for different materials.

[Andrei]

...of course: http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/avery-scale-weights. Or from Any Good Kitchen Utensil Emporium. :D
Thanks. Do you polish yours every morning? It looks pretty fab!

[Marco]

I've just had notification that my Bruil weight is in the post and I took the opportunity to inquire about availability (I was hoping he might have one behind a work bench) :D but this is what he had to say:

"Hello Stephen,

Today the turntable weight was sent to your address."


So, Steve, just to confirm... Have you been sent a brand new weight or an old one that he had left in stock? I'd just like it confirmed that the Bruil weights remain in production, and if necessary, are available to order in quantity.

If not, there's not much point really in recommending them, unless you're going to get some made yourself.

Marco.

[worrasf]

It's a brand new weight (choice of finishes) Marco - it's the platter rings that are no longer in production

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[Marco]

Nice one, Steve. That's good news.

I just wanted it stating in 'black & white', as it were, because the matter is rather vague on the Sound Fountain website (under the section of 'How to procure either weight'), unless Rudolph has a website of his own?

Marco.

[NRG]

Thanks. Do you polish yours every morning? It looks pretty fab!

Yes as often as is humanly possible :D. It's also the perfect weight, based on my not inconsiderable experience in these matters over the lat 40 years...it comes in at 453grams or 1lb in old money, the ideal weight. ;)

[Marco]

The ideal weight for which turntable? ;)

Marco.

[NRG]

The ideal weight for which turntable? ;)

Marco.

Any, it's a universal constant! :lolsign:

[Marco]

Well then, I disagree, as it doesn't concur with my own experience when using an SL-1210, where when using a record weight of any more than 400g, starts to 'over-dampen' things and produce a 'heavy' and ponderous sound, diminishing the T/T's natural sense of 'flow' and addictive musicality.

The sonic effect is rather similar to that produced by a cartridge, when excessive VTF has been applied: it kills the music.

Marco.

P.S Just seen the added smiley! Lol.....

[NRG]

:D You caught me in mid edit!

[jostber]

£476?! Am I reading right?

It was costly, but have given me much listening pleasure, so I guess then it has been worth it. :)

[worrasf]

My Bruil weight arrived from Amsterdam today less than a week since ordering :)
I do think it improves things with the bass being more tuneful and a more solid and focused presentation. Certainly better than the clever clamp and my eBay home made weight. The only annoyance is that due to its height I can't close the TT lid :eyebrows: which is a slight issue as I have a coal fire in the listening room and this time of year it gets a tad dusty. :smoking: Still can't have everything


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[costerdock]

You are lucky - I ordered mine in December and it took about two weeks + to get to the states.

[worrasf]

The NSA probably borrowed and bugged it :peace:

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[YNWaN]

I think the weight/clamp and mat need to be viewed as a system where the two work together.

[costerdock]

The NSA probably borrowed and bugged it :peace:

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I do feel like it is watching me...

[Marco]

My Bruil weight arrived from Amsterdam today less than a week since ordering
I do think it improves things with the bass being more tuneful and a more solid and focused presentation. Certainly better than the clever clamp and my eBay home made weight. The only annoyance is that due to its height I can't close the TT lid :eyebrows: which is a slight issue as I have a coal fire in the listening room and this time of year it gets a tad dusty. Still can't have everything


I get the coal fire thing, Steve, as we've got one (although not where the system is), but you'll find that your turntable sounds much better playing music with the lid off, otherwise the lid adds serious resonance and 'sings along with the music', making things sound pants... Dunno how you can listen with the lid on, dude?

Anyway, during playback, I'd lose the lid and simply pop it back on when you've finished, unless your dust problem really is major, in which case you should probably think about relocating your T/T and/or system, as over an extended period of time, that level of dust will be doing some real harm to your kit.

Anyway, glad that the Bruil is hitting the spot. I find that it reduces distortion, increases focus and adds weight and authority to the sound. Your FF platter and mat are looking good! Did you get a chance to try the earth thing we discussed? :)

Marco.

[worrasf]

Anyway, during playback, I'd lose the lid and simply pop it back on when you've finished, unless your dust problem really is major, in which case you should probably think about relocating your T/T and/or system, as over an extended period of time, that level of dust will be doing some real harm to your kit.

Anyway, glad that the Bruil is hitting the spot. I find that it reduces distortion, increases focus and adds weight and authority to the sound. Your FF platter and mat are looking good! Did you get a chance to try the earth thing we discussed? :)

Marco.

Yes there is no doubt it sounds better with lid open.
Not played with the SUT earth as yet - finished week on-call so felt obliged to commune with the grape on Saturday :comatose:

[CageyH]

I have just received my Revolver Pig 2 (awesome name!) and first impressions are that it has made a subtle difference, tightening everything up slightly.
The deck is just as musical, and I don't find it over damped with my RB251. It weighs in at 450g and it also allows me to shut the lid on my techie, even when playing (for headphone use).

[Tarzan]

Yes there is no doubt it sounds better with lid open.
Not played with the SUT earth as yet - finished week on-call so felt obliged to commune with the grape on Saturday :comatose:


:cool:

[CageyH]

I have just received my Revolver Pig 2 (awesome name!) and first impressions are that it has made a subtle difference, tightening everything up slightly.
The deck is just as musical, and I don't find it over damped with my RB251. It weighs in at 450g and it also allows me to shut the lid on my techie, even when playing (for headphone use).

I lied. It touches, but only very slightly and only the heavier pressings, so the lid is coming off whenever I listen to music.

[Rainbow]

I have just received my Revolver Pig 2 (awesome name!) and first impressions are that it has made a subtle difference, tightening everything up slightly.
The deck is just as musical, and I don't find it over damped with my RB251. It weighs in at 450g and it also allows me to shut the lid on my techie, even when playing (for headphone use).

Where did you buy the revolver pig 2 from ? And do you think it is a better buy over the Nagaoka/Audio Technica/Project record clamps?

[CageyH]

I got it cheap from eBay.
I have no idea if it is better than a different weight, as it's the only one I have ever used.