View Full Version : Review coming soon about a stunning cable I am playing with . . . . . .
I am being used at the moment as a "guinea pig" to evaluate a brand new interconnect cable. It is in prototype form at the moment and the final version promises to be much better than what I have here. Bring it on!!!! Even so, the cable I currently have is way up there with the very best of them and this is someone who has played with a good few high end cables in my time and NONE have come close to what I am listening to as I type this brief ditty.
Unfortunately it has no name yet so I can only refer to it as "Cable X" or somesuch in the meantime :eyebrows:
brian2957
21-11-2013, 19:38
What kind of price bracket are we in here Frank . Under £100 , under £500 .
What kind of price bracket are we in here Frank . Under £100 , under £500 .
I don't even have an inkling over cost, not even a ballpark figure. Given how much I am impressed by what I am hearing I intend to be first in the queue when that has been decided. It really is a game-changing design for sure and to be 100% truthful and honest here, I cannot believe how much my old, obsolete and dare I say it "humble" system in the signature below has been improved by this bloomin cable and I realise just how much I am sticking my neck out in saying that :eek:
Ooo, now this sounds intriguing Frank, are the IC's from an established AoS vendor?
Wakefield Turntables
21-11-2013, 19:59
Yeah who's flogging it then?
Ooo, now this sounds intriguing Frank, are the IC's from an established AoS vendor?
Yes indeed Dave, our very own MCRU no less.
It's not the first "mystery" cable he has sent me to evaluate - the last one was not very pleasing to say the least :( I have no idea why he has picked me to do this, maybe I have golden ears, or my time in the trade enables me to sort wheat from the chaff, or I just say it like it is - I wasn't too complimentary about a couple I have listened to and no surprise they haven't appeared as regular products on his website.
This latest one is a doozy, trust me on this and I would advise you to form an orderly queue cos it's a real belter! Nor is it just another forum hype sort of product that will fizzle out in a couple of weeks/months time.
I am not talking about some minor or marginal changes here and at long last I think we should shove it in front of the "I cant hear a difference with cables" brigade and we can legitimately call them deaf if this cable doesn't penetrate their grey matter as it has mine.
Here is my honest appraisal of these "mystery" interconnects:
I will say this is one of the hardest appraisals I have ever had to do, not that I have not been impressed by what these mystery cables offer in sound quality terms, more the sheer inadequacy of the English language in expressing what I am hearing and not falling into using the same all too often used superlatives that have little meaning now due to their over usage, therefore I will leave all the gilding off and use language more familiar.
CONSTRUCTION
All I have is a rather nondescript pair of black shrouded interconnects with what feels like a plaited multi-conductor construction. I have been given no indication as to what materials have been used.
SOUND
All too often I will be impressed initially by a cable on first hearing and then once the initial euphoria has waned, I then begin to find weaknesses that were not immediately apparent at first hearing. It is for that reason that I prefer to wait at least a whole day BEFORE any opnions are formulated.
So, how do they stack up? Firstly, I will deal with the bass registers. I cannot detect any bass overhang with them at all. Bass certainly is fullsome and very powerful with superb definition and timbre. In most other cables I have heard regarding bass performance, it is without exception traded off in other areas like treble or midrange, or worse still, swamps, muddies and overwhelms the other frequency bands. Not so at all with this cable; the bass is almost "detached" (in a positive way) from the other frequencies, so any bass line is easy to follow as a seperate entity if one so wishes, without ever disturbing or imposing itself elsewhere in the audible spectrum. Whatever CD I played I could easily follow the bass lines without bloom or smearing - even the favourite tracks I have heard many thousands of times before over the years. I have just listened to Focus' "Anonymus II" and it has completely blown me away with the clarity, dynamics a sheer raw energy this track contains, which all too often even high end systems manage to turn into a mushy cacophany. Pink Floyd's "Wall" album has within the title track a tambourine well back in the mix that most systems allow it to fade in and out, especially when the dynamics get hectic, but this cable allows you to hear that tambourine so clearly and consistently right the way through no matter what else is going on in the music. Get the LP/CD out now and listen out for that tambourine in the background! So just for one moment I will add the typical cliche about hearing so, so, so, so much more from very familiar recordings I have owned for close on 40 years and more, played on some esoteric systems too. From a mere cable? Yep, no doubt whatsoever, it has 'upgraded' my own humble system by no small margin and that really is hard for people to swallow I will readily concede, but true it certainly is.
Likewise, the midband and treble registers operate within their own distinct "pockets" within the sound envelope. Treble is so "clean" and truthful with no ringing or splashiness, ambience details are conveyed so crisply and accurately it's uncanny to say the least. Imaging construction is deep from front-to-back, tall top to bottom and way out beyond the speakers. A struck cymbal sounds exactly like a struck cymbal SHOULD do, full of energy and vibrancy, anyone can clearly hear wooden drumstick against metal, a struck triangle sounds so exquisite it makes you feel like rewinding again and again to simply enjoy that delicious sound! Live recorded music is live in every sense of the word with venue ambience and reverb stunningly recreated and it is shocking to hear that an audience actually SOUNDS like an audience instead of sounding like a frying pan cooking bacon rashers. This is further enhanced by the lack of any background noise, which I think is THE hardest parameter to achieve in a cable design with any pretensions to being high end.
SUMMARY
Make no mistake, this cable is certainly no "tone control" whereby you could use it to correct shortfalls or inadequacies in your hi-fi system. It does not have good bass at the expense of a muted or stinging treble, or vice versa. Top to bottom it excels in all areas of the audible spectrum.
Given that there are countless cables available to spend your hard-earned on, where in the great scheme of things would this cable rank amongst the herd? I have had through my hands over the years some cables costing many hundreds of pounds per metre and I cannot think of a single one gone before that had the performance this cable has. Sure, some had bass or treble performance to die for, but SOMEWHERE there was a trade-off, nor can I think of a single one that could match the eerie background silence this cable has and as for picking out the finest minutae in recordings and painting aural pictures in the air, none come even close. The one area where it does get it's backside slapped hard is the appearance. I quizzed David Brook about that and he tells me what I have here is only a prototype with inexpensive plugs fitted and the production version will get top end Furutechs. That addition would make this cable legendary I reckon.
CONCLUSION
In conclusion then, in my opinion this cable effectively re-writes interconnect cable design in a radical way and the industry leaders should begin perspiring now. It does not act as a notch filter or tone control, it offers no hindrance to what a hi-fi system is actually capable of, it has no sonic signature of it's own to worry about and ends the search for "synergy" because there are no peaks or troughs to synergise with. I will finally say that I don't intend to persuade anyone else to put their hand in their pocket to purchase one on my say-so alone, as I will be doing that myself - no matter what the final price tag is. For more information I would suggest you contact David at MCRU.
When word gets out just how good these cables really are, then kindly remember you heard it here first.
Frank
Hi Frank,
Yes I think you will become famous as the first user of this cable when it goes public, glad you liked it.
Hi Frank,
Yes I think you will become famous as the first user of this cable when it goes public, glad you liked it.
Like it? You might have to send the heavies round to get it back :lol:
Audioman
22-11-2013, 12:04
Like it? You might have to send the heavies round to get it back :lol:
David hasn't told you the price yet :).
Hi Frank,
Yes I think you will become famous as the first user of this cable when it goes public, glad you liked it.
:popcorn::ner:
David hasn't told you the price yet :).
Well it's probably then a case of selling my conjugal rights (cheap) or a kidney (lightly used) as a deposit :lol:
Damn well worth it I say, although I will sorely miss the kidney :rfl:
I sent 2 of these interconnects out, one to Frank and another to a local audiophile chap in Shipley, luckily what I heard when I plugged them in is the same as what Frank and Andy heard,
early days yet but the design of the cable has been patented and I had to sign a NDA with the "inventor" of the cable design who lives in Huddersfield and who I met quite by chance.
Yes "inventor" because it is just that, a completely new design that will blow your socks off, any way, enough for now and form an orderly queue please because you will be amazed.
Frank, do you think you could be a touch less enthusiastic in future please? ;) - You've probably priced it way out of my price range and that of one or two others :steam: :lol: .
Dave.
sq225917
24-11-2013, 17:12
Has been granted a patent, or just submitted?
Frank, do you think you could be a touch less enthusiastic in future please? ;) - You've probably priced it way out of my price range and that of one or two others :steam: :lol: .
Dave.
I can honestly say that no other cable EVER has got me this fired up about it's performance. Yes I have heard a huge number that had some great attributes but all had some form of shortcoming (subtle admittedly), yet I can't find any at all with this cable - it excels in all areas.
I am just as frustrated as you all probably are not knowing even a rough idea of what they are likely to cost :rolleyes:
I can honestly say that no other cable EVER has got me this fired up about it's performance. Yes I have heard a huge number that had some great attributes but all had some form of shortcoming (subtle admittedly), yet I can't find any at all with this cable - it excels in all areas.
I am just as frustrated as you all probably are not knowing even a rough idea of what they are likely to cost :rolleyes:
Aye there's the rub
How much?
That is the burning question Stu and I have no idea how much it is likely to cost.
I have asked David if I can hang on to it until your bakeoff of the 15th so I can show you and the others what I have written in my appraisal isn't just hot air or hype :eyebrows:
It sounds as if it is going to be very expensive. Once talk of a patent breaks cover it is pretty much a given :eyebrows:
It sounds as if it is going to be very expensive. Once talk of a patent breaks cover it is pretty much a given :eyebrows:
Well I suggest you polish up your busking skills now Dave, these really are worth it (even though I don't know the price :brickwall:) and I promise it will give your system an upgrade you simply won't believe until you hear it for yourself ;)
Well I suggest you polish up your busking skills now Dave, these really are worth it (even though I don't know the price :brickwall:) and I promise it will give your system an upgrade you simply won't believe until you hear it for yourself ;)
not wishing to be cynical but how can you know somethings worth if you don't know its cost :scratch:
Paul
not wishing to be cynical but how can you know somethings worth if you don't know its cost :scratch:
Paul
How much does your system cost? How much would a better component cost to make a sizeable upgrade to the sound? If you went from a £1000 amp to a £3000 amp it wouldn't even come close from the performance uplift gained. From a CABLE?????? :eek: In that context it is a bargain - even though I don't know it's projected cost.
I did say above that I really am sticking my neck out with such bold and radical statements, but made it I have, so I repeat:
"I promise it will give your system an upgrade you simply won't believe until you hear it for yourself"
To be honest Frank I was so bowled over by the improvement Paul@RFC's Reference Neptunes brought to the table these new cables would need to be very good indeed for me to even consider them and priced at a similar level too. If they are destined to cost hundreds of pounds then I will just have to to learn to live without them ;)
How much does your system cost? How much would a better component cost to make a sizeable upgrade to the sound? If you went from a £1000 amp to a £3000 amp it wouldn't even come close from the performance uplift gained. From a CABLE?????? :eek: In that context it is a bargain - even though I don't know it's projected cost.
I did say above that I really am sticking my neck out with such bold and radical statements, but made it I have, so I repeat:
"I promise it will give your system an upgrade you simply won't believe until you hear it for yourself"
I am sorry but those are just unquantifiable superlatives
are you saying then that at £2k it would be a bargain buy cable?
As Oscar Wilde said: "The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."
I expect these cables to be expensive, very expensive; if their construction is patented they will have to be custom made. Nothing available from conventional cable manufacturers. They might even be hand made - and that's expensive!
As to their value - well, I'll wait and see what you all say after you have bought them and tried them out in your system. :eyebrows:
To be honest Frank I was so bowled over by the improvement Paul@RFC's Reference Neptunes brought to the table these new cables would need to be very good indeed for me to even consider them and priced at a similar level too. If they are destined to cost hundreds of pounds then I will just have to to learn to live without them ;)
Everything is of course relative Dave and your jump from what you had before to what you have now with the RFC cable is not to be dismissed and have no wish to demean your choice.
My long years in the cable business means I probably have a far more discerning ear when it comes to wanky wires but even so I will hold my hands up and say that there is a point at which it is utterly unaffordable for me too and that threshold is quite low these days. I too may have to pass on them due to cost, BUT, the sound I am listening right now as I type this is truly unforgettable and NO cable will have that same stunning realism, dynamics and clarity that this "Cable X" has. So I have this torture going on in my mind currently that if I do pass because the price set is beyond my means, then I will find it hard going back to what I have in my current cables stash which isn't cheap by any means. I really hope I don't have to, but then again we may all be jumping to incorrect assumptions that the price will have more zeros that the Starship Enterprise's odometer :eek:
I am sorry but those are just unquantifiable superlatives
are you saying then that at £2k it would be a bargain buy cable?
NOTHING in hi-fi is quantifiable, so unless you personally have spent around £2k on upgrading a single component in your system, then of course my statement could be construed as "meaningless". It isn't to me because I have done that many times and the law of diminishing returns quickly jumps into the equation. In THAT context if this blessed cable WERE to cost £2k, then yes it is a bargain because I suggest this cable doesn't play by the diminishing returns laws, whereas other cables with lofty price tags I have bought and sold, do.
The Grand Wazoo
24-11-2013, 23:31
The only way to truly dominate an established market with an excellent product is to charge a low price for it, so we'll have to see how it all pans out.
I think this thread is turning into a price fixation without knowing what that price actually is yet :doh: We may all be very surprised at how affordable they are, so watch this space.
It also seems that I am being personally hassled for not knowing what price it is :eek:
Here is what I expect from the readers of this thread:
1. You accept that I am not lying or embellishing the truth when I say how firkin good these cables really are.
2. That when they do become available that you listen for yourselves via a home demo and get totally blown away like I have.
3. Don't badger me for what I don't know. Either ask here or PM David at MCRU
By the way, if anyone wants to come down here armed with their best interconnect cable and put it head to head with this one, then you are more than welcome to do so any time. If you don't have a sooper dooper interconnect cable to hand then have a rummage around in what I have here and see if you come to the same conclusion I have.
Everything is of course relative Dave and your jump from what you had before to what you have now with the RFC cable is not to be dismissed and have no wish to demean your choice.
My long years in the cable business means I probably have a far more discerning ear when it comes to wanky wires but even so I will hold my hands up and say that there is a point at which it is utterly unaffordable for me too and that threshold is quite low these days. I too may have to pass on them due to cost, BUT, the sound I am listening right now as I type this is truly unforgettable and NO cable will have that same stunning realism, dynamics and clarity that this "Cable X" has. So I have this torture going on in my mind currently that if I do pass because the price set is beyond my means, then I will find it hard going back to what I have in my current cables stash which isn't cheap by any means. I really hope I don't have to, but then again we may all be jumping to incorrect assumptions that the price will have more zeros that the Starship Enterprise's odometer :eek:
I appreciate your candor Frank and I trust your ears. Let's hope these cables are priced reasonably however I fear, due to patent applications etc, that they are likely to be way out of my budget. Let's face it, though, that won't be difficult in my case... :lol:
Pricing has not been finalized yet, I sent the cables to Frank because I trust his judgment having
had various cables rejected by him in the past as not being good enough! The treatment he is
receiving is not fair really as he has only reported what he is hearing, as stated earlier the cable
is a totally new design which I came across purely by accident, it is a ground breaker but
enough of that for now, all I can say is wait until it is launched and try it for yourselves. It won't
be cheap but it certainly will not be stratospheric. :)
walpurgis
25-11-2013, 00:15
if anyone wants to come down here armed with their best interconnect cable and put it head to head with this one, then you are more than welcome to do so any time.
I may be back in Cornwall soon Frank. I may take you up on that!
As I understand it, if the discussion about this cable had been posted by MCRU in trade impressions then it would be 'protected'. As it's not, then it's open to objection/discussion, though I'm unclear as to how one can discuss a cable without either hearing it or knowing what it costs.
As I understand it, if the discussion about this cable had been posted by MCRU in trade impressions then it would be 'protected'. As it's not, then it's open to objection/discussion, though I'm unclear as to how one can discuss a cable without either hearing it or knowing what it costs.
I fail to see why you should want it to be open to discussion or indeed have it open to objection when the post is simply about my opinion about this mystery cable I was sent to evaluate. In any other situation I could have easily compared it to X, Y, Z cables already on the market and perhaps owned by some of the good forum members here to set some sort of benchmark for comparison. You then only had to accept that A) My hearing acuity is such that I can discern what is a good, bad or indifferent cable and B) That in my opinion based upon what I am actually hearing that I rate it very highly and finally, C) That I have owned and listened to some very expensive cables that would enabled me to rank it amongst the herd, so my judgement is that it excels wat above those that I have heard. So from that point of view I simply HAD to let the world know that I had in my possession a cable that needs to be taken notice of because it is in my opinion rather special.
Your issue then is you are in the dark about it's likely cost (beyond my ken for the umpteenth time) and what it sounds like - or rather your view of it's sound. That will no doubt be revealed in due course when the cable is launched and at that point you should be able to hear it for yourself through a demo. David has already hinted above that:
"It won't be cheap but it certainly will not be stratospheric."
This is a great way to build up interest. MCRU has done this before. I am interested but not trying one interested. I source my IC elsewhere.
The new design interests.
I'm not in the market for cables, but I think it might have been more sensible to hold off on an announcement till at least the price was known.
I'm not in the market for cables, but I think it might have been more sensible to hold off on an announcement till at least the price was known.
We agree on that Joe :)
Personally I will be rather miffed after hearing this cable and knowing it's capabilities that the asking price is going to be a long way off what I can afford :steam:
Audioman
26-11-2013, 12:14
Frank. I think where you laid yourself open to criticism was describing this cable as a 'game changer'. I and others do regard cable differences to normally be rather small in comparison to upgrades in electronics and sources. Also though I don't doubt your sincerity this is about the effect in your particular set up presumably between your CD player and amp. The 'improvements' just may not be obtainable in another system especially one that majors on analogue rather than digital source.
Also given the history with products 'reviewed' by other 'buyers' from the supplier of the said cable there is an underlying degree of scepticism regarding any 'promotion' of said product outside of the trade section. Frank you do not have a track record in this area so I will take your enthusiasm as genuine, just don't expect a smooth ride when commenting here. I think the selling price to be important in the context of the cables relative performance in the market and would not be surprised that after adding designer plugs it will be fairly to very expensive.
Frank. I think where you laid yourself open to criticism was describing this cable as a 'game changer'. I and others do regard cable differences to normally be rather small in comparison to upgrades in electronics and sources. Also though I don't doubt your sincerity this is about the effect in your particular set up presumably between your CD player and amp. The 'improvements' just may not be obtainable in another system especially one that majors on analogue rather than digital source.
Also given the history with products 'reviewed' by other 'buyers' from the supplier of the said cable there is an underlying degree of scepticism regarding any 'promotion' of said product outside of the trade section. Frank you do not have a track record in this area so I will take your enthusiasm as genuine, just don't expect a smooth ride when commenting here. I think the selling price to be important in the context of the cables relative performance in the market and would not be surprised that after adding designer plugs it will be fairly to very expensive.
In essence I don't disagree with what you say Paul, but I would like to add some further comments.
I and others do regard cable differences to normally be rather small in comparison to upgrades in electronics and sources.
I am saying to you all that this cable is far more than just subtle nuance/tonality changes that you are currently used to from cable changes.
David has sent me other products to evaluate blind and I was a tad harsh on those because I couldn't see a commercial product in them within a fiercely competitive marketplace, with new "revolutionary" products surfacing frequently now. Those other products have not seen the light of day.
You could of course argue that David has set me up as sort of patsy to gush florid volumes about this new mystery wanky wire into a pre-launch hype generation exercise. Without the experience I have, I could have done that easily for the other products evaluated, but I haven't and you will have to accept my word that those other products have sunk without trace because of my honesty. David isn't alone in sending out evaluation products to unsuspecting "guinea pigs" for their opinions - I myself did it when running Krystal Kables. And please don't pre-judge any "naivety" of mine because I have been in and out of the trade for more years than I care to remember..
Back to this cable then, when it arrived I was almost expecting yet another so-so product in the package with all the usual compromises in sound quality from origins unknown to me. I didn't know (and still don't) what the construction materials are, where the source is, plus of course the price, so I had no expectations of any kind. My attitude at the time was "Aw, do I have to do this?" and was inclined to leave it in the box, but when I plumbed it in, from the first note it just shone immediately. If only you could have been there at that moment, then you just might understand where this "game changer" statement originates from. And yes, I have tried the cable in a valve setup and a TEAC all-in-one with similar results.
Frank. I think where you laid yourself open to criticism was describing this cable as a 'game changer'.
Save space
I think the selling price to be important in the context of the cables relative performance in the market and would not be surprised that after adding designer plugs it will be fairly to very expensive.
Are you or have you been a member of the diplomatic service? Well expressed.
Are you or have you been a member of the diplomatic service? Well expressed.
Not really, I felt like I was being spoken down to and having my integrity and honesty assaulted :rolleyes:
RobbieGong
26-11-2013, 13:09
Not really, I felt like I was being spoken down to and having my integrity and honesty assaulted :rolleyes:
Dont worry Frank, Just continue to let your truth and sincerity shine through that's all that matters ! ;)
Very interesting new invention. I am all ears!
Wishing it was cheaper already though :(
Not really, I felt like I was being spoken down to and having my integrity and honesty assaulted :rolleyes:
My only issue is that I probably won't be able to afford a set, however that is my failing and nobody elses ;)
David, perhaps it might be an idea to let a couple of other members sample this cable too. Not that I am suggesting there is a trust issue here, far from it. Safety in numbers and all that :)
If one or two others are able to sample its delights and are subsequently as enthusiastic in their assertions as Frank (as I know they will be) then an excellent promotional opportunity would be generated for when the cables finally hit the market ;)
I am planning a big change in direction for my system soon so when they do become available I may well have some pennies to play with after all... :D
My only issue is that I probably won't be able to afford a set, however that is my failing and nobody elses ;)
David, perhaps it might be an idea to let a couple of other members sample this cable too. Not that I am suggesting there is a trust issue here, far from it. Safety in numbers and all that :)
If one or two others are able to sample its delights and are subsequently as enthusiastic in their assertions as Frank (as I know they will be) then an excellent promotional opportunity would be generated for when the cables finally hit the market ;)
Others have sampled them Dave, just not on forums, similar findings have resulted.
Wakefield Turntables
27-11-2013, 10:45
Interesting thread. I think I will give Yannis a call and see what he has to offer.
Well, these aforesaid cables have been returned to MCRU and by heck I miss them :wah:
Now this is what is puzzling me:- :scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch:
I tipped the wink about the Belkin interconnects, how great they sounded and everyone rushed to buy them and praise upon praise was heaped on them. Delighted with them. Good old Frank. Never told anyone to buy them.
I put you onto the TQ speaker cables too and again a good number of you whizzed out and sploshed your hard earned on them - in fact you all overtook me and bought the top of the range models and thrilled to do so. Delighted with them. Good old Frank. Never told anyone to buy them.
I tip you the wink again that these interconnects are the best I have ever heard bar none and . . . . . derision, scepticism, my honesty is questioned, I am almost accused of being an MCRU stoolie, dumb questions about price I cannot answer and a couple of not so nice comments I will do best by not even mentioning.
Source your own bargains in future :ner: :lol:
Well, these aforesaid cables have been returned to MCRU and by heck I miss them :wah:
Now this is what is puzzling me:- :scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch:
I tipped the wink about the Belkin interconnects, how great they sounded and everyone rushed to buy them and praise upon praise was heaped on them. Delighted with them. Good old Frank. Never told anyone to buy them.
I put you onto the TQ speaker cables too and again a good number of you whizzed out and sploshed your hard earned on them - in fact you all overtook me and bought the top of the range models and thrilled to do so. Delighted with them. Good old Frank. Never told anyone to buy them.
I tip you the wink again that these interconnects are the best I have ever heard bar none and . . . . . derision, scepticism, my honesty is questioned, I am almost accused of being an MCRU stoolie, dumb questions about price I cannot answer and a couple of not so nice comments I will do best by not even mentioning.
Source your own bargains in future :ner: :lol:
Yes I went out and got myself a TQ dealership based on your say so and still have those belkin wires lying around somewhere (although I did put eichmanns on the ends which transforms them)
Meeting the inventor of the cable tomorrow so will report back afterwards, Andrew, what can Yannis offer as you don't know what these cables are made from and if Yannis's cables were that good you would have them already surely?
A bargain is defined by the expectations and performance versus the price. As an example my sparky is here currently wiring the furukawa cable for a 2nd dedicated mains spur, I consider the cable a bargain even if I had to pay £100 per metre for it because of what it sounds like.
We don't know if it's going to be a bargain though yet, Frank. :)
I can't wait to find out what witchcraft these IC's are. I've no doubt they are great as you have always (as been said) directed us a lot of great products Frank.
Thanks for that Joe :)
David is not revealing what figure he has in mind for these cables so all we can for now do is take his hint:
" . . . . it won't be cheap but it won't be stratospheric either"
What's your best guestimate as to when this cable will be available Dave?
Wakefield Turntables
27-11-2013, 14:55
Andrew, what can Yannis offer as you don't know what these cables are made from and if Yannis's cables were that good you would have them already surely?
This made me laugh out loud, where do you want me to start. Firstly I trust Yannis, my main system is completely decked out with his IC and tonearm cables, they ousted nordost stuff that cost thousands. Secondly, you can talk to Yannis and he can tailor specific characteristics of the cable to meet the demands of your system. As an example, he's interested in the exact model of my valve amp and the distance that they sit away from each other so he can get the capacitance (sic before I'm corrected) correct. He also talks himself out of money, he recommended several cables today which were considerably cheaper than what he could have sold me. Thirdly, you get technical explanation of what he's trying to achieve with the cable design. Fourthly you get excellent value for money. Fifth you don't get him using excessive techniques to flog cables at every oppotunity. The list could go on.
I tip you the wink again that these interconnects are the best I have ever heard bar none and . . . . . derision, scepticism, my honesty is questioned, I am almost accused of being an MCRU stoolie, dumb questions about price I cannot answer and a couple of not so nice comments I will do best by not even mentioning.
Source your own bargains in future :ner: :lol:
:violin::violin::violin::violin:
This made me laugh out loud, where do you want me to start. Firstly I trust Yannis, my main system is completely decked out with his IC and tonearm cables, they ousted nordost stuff that cost thousands.
Don't forget who introduced AoS to the wonders of Yannis! ;)
Marco.
Wakefield Turntables
27-11-2013, 16:46
:thumbsup: Yep you sure did, thanks. I should also maybe getting newly designed speaker cables to go with the tannoys on my second system, they are a special design which you might want to check out.
:thumbsup: Yep you sure did, thanks. I should also maybe getting newly designed speaker cables to go with the tannoys on my second system, they are a special design which you might want to check out.
why would I want to check out any of your cables chief?
the cables frank got are a patented new design that no one has thought of, pity you will miss out on these, but that's your loss, later dude :)
I think Andy was replying to me, daftee... ;)
Marco.
Wakefield Turntables
27-11-2013, 17:22
why would I want to check out any of your cables chief?
the cables frank got are a patented new design that no one has thought of, pity you will miss out on these, but that's your loss, later dude :)
I'd like to see this patent. TBH once it's filed there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone copying the design at a knock down price. Good luck with that one. :laugh:
:thumbsup: Yep you sure did, thanks. I should also maybe getting newly designed speaker cables to go with the tannoys on my second system, they are a special design which you might want to check out.
Could you tell me/us more about this supplier you use. Sounds a well thought out product. I'd like to find out more.
I think Andy was replying to me, daftee... ;)
Marco.
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I'd like to see this patent. TBH once it's filed there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone copying the design at a knock down price. Good luck with that one.
If you have the money go for it, doubt you do though as I know how much the tooling and development costs were, if any one wants to copy someone elses design it may be possible but cheaper, don't make me laugh (which you do frequently) :lol:
anyway carry on typing I am off out for a curry
The cables have been returned and a review is coming soon. Any hint as to when the review will be published
Wakefield Turntables
27-11-2013, 19:35
Could you tell me/us more about this supplier you use. Sounds a well thought out product. I'd like to find out more.
Its no secret, its the excellent Yannis Tome, here you go http://www.back-promo.co.uk/
If you have the money go for it, doubt you do though as I know how much the tooling and development costs were, if any one wants to copy someone elses design it may be possible but cheaper, don't make me laugh (which you do frequently) :lol:
anyway carry on typing I am off out for a curry
I couldn't give a shit about your cable, I'm not going to buy it. Your shilling techniques put me off.
I'm off, I can take a hint.
Bit cryptic?
:violin::violin::violin::violin:
The last line of mine you quoted was a tongue in cheek comment and I couldn't find a tongue in cheek emoticon :lol:
Its no secret, its the excellent Yannis Tome, here you go http://www.back-promo.co.uk/
Your shilling techniques put me off.
Whoa there boy.
You say how excellent the Yannis products are and presumably that is because you have tried and experienced them yourself? Yes? So that is fine in your book, yet you readily denigrate others who have tried other products not by Yannis.
This section of the forum is called "Strokes of Genius" and it's purpose I believe is to let other AoS members know about their own experiences with products they deem to be excellent in either sound quality or value. Yes?
If you look closely in this section of the forum there are OTHER well respected people not just me that are equally enthusiastic about other products sourced from MCRU, so where do you get this absurd notion that there is "shilling" going on? Or are you saying that all these glowing testimonials are entirely fabricated to benefit MCRU?
If there is one thing I cannot abide it's dual standards.
Ali Tait
28-11-2013, 12:32
+1. Looks like you are now being accused of being a shill Frank!
I think Andrew was referring to Dave's (MCRU) heavy-handed promotion, not to Frank's contribution.
Wakefield Turntables
28-11-2013, 12:39
Whoa there boy.
You say how excellent the Yannis products are and presumably that is because you have tried and experienced them yourself? Yes? So that is fine in your book, yet you readily denigrate others who have tried other products not by Yannis.
This section of the forum is called "Strokes of Genius" and it's purpose I believe is to let other AoS members know about their own experiences with products they deem to be excellent in either sound quality or value. Yes?
If you look closely in this section of the forum there are OTHER well respected people not just me that are equally enthusiastic about other products sourced from MCRU, so where do you get this absurd notion that there is "shilling" going on? Or are you saying that all these glowing testimonials are entirely fabricated to benefit MCRU?
If there is one thing I cannot abide it's dual standards.
Nobody is accusing you personally of being a shill, I don't like David's over obsessive attempts at flogging stuff.
+1. Looks like you are now being accused of being a shill Frank!
see my first comment.
Wakefield Turntables
28-11-2013, 12:39
Exactly! You managed to get in before I posted.
Wakefield Turntables
28-11-2013, 12:40
Sorry, double post by mistake.
Nobody is accusing you personally of being a shill, I don't like David's over obsessive attempts at flogging stuff.
I will accept that.
And I do also agree that Mr MCRU does from time to time overstep the line of just being enthusiastic about his business
There are one and a half other MCRU product related threads in the last 3 pages, 11 months, or I didnt look hard enough.
Wakefield Turntables
28-11-2013, 13:47
I will accept that.
And I do also agree that Mr MCRU does from time to time overstep the line of just being enthusiastic about his business
Thanks Frank, you got my point, that's great.
There are one and a half other MCRU product related threads in the last 3 pages, 11 months, or I didnt look hard enough.
I have no problem with this so as they are kept in the traders section. What happened hear is a clasisic case of generating a load of hype about a new product within a different forum area, clearly bypassing the rules of me forum. I'm pig sick of seeing The mcru sign everywhere.
Mucho Chat : Rexton Upset ???
And I do also agree that Mr MCRU does from time to time overstep the line of just being enthusiastic about his business...
What happened hear is a clasisic case of generating a load of hype about a new product within a different forum area, clearly bypassing the rules of me forum. I'm pig sick of seeing The mcru sign everywhere.
I think David should consider this type of feedback from members very carefully. The bit in bold (over-promotion), I'm sorry, David, is an old story. You really must learn to rein in the overbearing salesmanship or unfortunately, mate, I will have to take some preventative action.
I've largely stayed out of this discussion, but have kept an eye on things from the sidelines, and regardless of how good these cables are, I too dislike threads like this (nothing at all against you Frank) where a 'lollipop is dangled in front of the kids', as it were, creating excitement, before the kids know if they can afford to take a lick...
Instead of exciting me about the product, it turns me off (as I dislike the hype, whether intentional or not), so therefore the whole exercise is counterproductive, especially now as other members are expressing their concerns, both in public and in private.
So, David, until you can spit out how much these cables are going to cost, I suggest that we leave this discussion as it is for now and update it when you are in a position to supply a price for the cables concerned, unless that is Frank has got anything more he wants to add?
Marco.
I think David should consider this type of feedback from members very carefully. The bit in bold (over-promotion), I'm sorry, David, is an old story. You really must learn to rein in the overbearing salesmanship or unfortunately, mate, I will have to take some preventative action.
I've largely stayed out of this discussion, but have kept an eye on things from the sidelines, and regardless of how good these cables are, I too dislike threads like this (nothing at all against you Frank) where a 'lollipop is dangled in front of the kids', as it were, creating excitement, before the kids know if they can afford to take a lick...
Instead of exciting me about the product, it turns me off (as I dislike the hype, whether intentional or not), so therefore the whole exercise is counterproductive, especially now as other members are expressing their concerns, both in public and in private.
So, David, until you can spit out how much these cables are going to cost, I suggest that we leave this discussion as it is for now and update it when you are in a position to supply a price for the cables concerned, unless that is Frank has got anything more he wants to add?
Marco.
I really can understand the concerns of the folks on AoS who possibly accept that A) I am hearing what I hear with these cables and B) Have no motives for saying that they are superb when in fact to quote Marco, that it might only be "manufactured hype" to which I would be deeply offended. Yes of course there is benefits to MCRU from my appraisal, but I felt that was far outweighed by what I heard and what I believe is of benefit to those who like me want a cable that gives more than just subtle nuance, detail or tonality changes for what can be a considerable outlay elsewhere amongst it's rivals - which I have extensive experience of. I stand by that statement by virtue of the fact that I have written similar testimonials for the likes of Belkin, TQ and a few others besides over the years, which have directly benefited AoS members.
I hear all your concerns too about the projected/anticipated costs this cable might have, so can you all then imagine that being the person that HAS heard these cables first hand and the performance they provide, also has no clue whatsoever of what that cost might be? I will quote again Marco above by saying that I have licked the bloody lollipop and don't know if I can even afford to buy the flippin' stick it sits on :lol:
No problem, Frank. I'm fully aware that your thoughts on these cables are genuine and that your part in proceedings is simply that of an intrigued enthusiast. I also have little doubt that your findings are accurate, as I trust your ears in these matters.
However, I know that you can also see where I'm coming from. Therefore, until a price is provided by David for these cables, would you mind if we locked the thread, in order to prevent any further 'hype'?
Rest assured that the thread will be re-opened once a price has been given for these cables, whereupon the whole discussion will become more relevant for everyone :)
Marco.
However, I know that you can also see where I'm coming from. Therefore, until a price is provided by David for these cables, would you mind if we locked the thread, in order to prevent any further 'hype'?
Rest assured that the thread will be re-opened once a price has been given for these cables, whereupon the whole discussion will become more relevant for everyone :)
Marco.
A sensible idea Marco, given that we are are all lost like a fart in the fog until we know what ££££££ it is
Cheers, dude! :cool:
David, when you've decided how much these cables are going to cost, let me know and I'll re-open the thread.
Marco.
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